[Geysers] Re: Geysers Digest, Vol 1445, Issue 2

[Denise Herman]

I'm usually a silent observer on this site, but thought I'd throw a few
things out there.

RE:  Madison/Norris road construction, there are anticipated 30 minute
delays, but the bison have indeed (as usual) lengthened the delays at
times.  There has been some confusion, but the road is currently scheduled
for nightly closures 10 pm to 8 am.  This is pertinent to my next
comment....The road has been extremely narrow at Gibbon Falls with concrete
barrierrs on the roadsides, and there have been some fender benders there,
so please be careful.

RE: Norris--I am currently stationed at the Norris basin.  We seem to be in
a minor disturbance, with Emerald at a boil, Vixen again active (unknown
intervals, but some bursts over 10 feet, and a new *funky* green feature
between Minute and Monarch.  Constant is also active with unknown intervals,
but the last few I have seen have been single bursts, so I don't know if
that is it's current norm, or if I am just catching the anomolies.  Pearl is
quiet; Steamboat does have some nice minor eruptions, but not with any
consistancy that I've noted.  Echinus' water chemistry appears to have had
some changes, but is still currently dormant to our knowledge.  Veteran
appears to not be having major eruptions at the moment. Congress Pool is low
water level since this winter, and beginning to look a little turbid.  Any
Norris afficionados who would like to spend time here and help us get a hand
on what is going on with better detail and precision would be welcomed!
Just remember the road construction and closures.

Thanks,
Denise Herman

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>   3. RE: Norris-Madison road traffic delays (Lynn Stephens)
>   4. Re: RE: Geysers that Erupt in Series (Bruce Jensen)
>   5. Re: Yellowstone June 11, 2009 (Gary Einstein)
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>   7. Yellowstone Report 6/12 (Stephens) (Lynn Stephens)
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> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:48:30 EDT
> From: TSBryan at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Norris-Madison road traffic delays
> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu
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> In a message dated 6/11/2009 8:08:12 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> geyserhound at hotmail.com writes:
>
> Does anyone know what traffic is like through there, how bad the delays
> are, what the road itself is like, etc, etc, etc? Any input would be
> helpful,
> and
>
> The road construction is underway and adversided as 20 minute delays
> throuigh the day when the road is open, 8am to 10 pm; it is closed through
> the
> night. If there are bison nin the canyon, then the delay can be much longer
> --
> like 90 minutes on Tuesday afternoon.
>
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> From: David Schwarz <david.schwarz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geysers that Erupt in Series
> To: Geyser Observation Reports <geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu>
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> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Paul Strasser <upperbasin at comcast.net
> >wrote:
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> >
> > Jeff may dispute this, but nobody - repeat: nobody - considers Flounder's
> > 2nd burst a separate eruption.  IF it was, what was the pause?  How much
> > overflow did it have?  You can say the same thing about Grand's 2nd burst
> -
> > was it a T or G?  And F&M after the initial 15 minutes - did the second
> > eruption "start" after a river vent pause?
>
>
>  I don't think I buy the argument that because the followup bursts /
> eruptions don't have the same characteristics as the initial, they're just
> bursts rather than eruptions.  How big is the big boil on the second
> Giantess in a series?  How long are the steam phases on the second-day of a
> mixed-phase Giantess?  How long does Lion splash before its in-series
> eruptions?  How much does Spiteful's overflow increase right before an
> in-series eruption starts?
>
> By the way, if we're listing geysers that erupt in series and weaken the
> well-known/large requirement, Spiteful definitely belongs on the list.
> Also, arguably, East Sentinel, although it's more F&M-style (long eruption,
> pause, weak eruption, pause, until it finally quits).  Jewel goes in the
> category of cases people will argue about, along with Plume, Grand, et al.
> Link has certainly been known to erupt in series, and is large, if not as
> well-known as some.
>
> Ultimately, since we're looking at surface manifestations rather than
> what's
> actually going on underground, I think we're going to end up arguing
> semantics.  If subsequent eruptions happen quickly enough after a pause,
> most people at least informally seem to lump them into a single eruption,
> whereas if the pause is long, they're considered separate eruptions, even
> if
> the followups are very different from the initial.  Does that mean there's
> a
> fundamental difference between the bursts of Grand and eruptions of Lion?
>  I
> dunno.  Maybe?
>
> David Schwarz
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:09:32 -0600
> From: Lynn Stephens <lstephens2006 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Geysers] Norris-Madison road traffic delays
> To: <geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu>
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> MA Bellingham may answer for herself, but Tuesday it took her 1-1/2 hours
> to get from Elk Park to Gibbon Falls.
>
>
>
> From: geyserhound at hotmail.com
> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:04:00 -0400
> Subject: [Geysers] Norris-Madison road traffic delays
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>  As some of you may know, I'mm a rather silent presence on this list, who
> has occasionally cobbled together material from past "threads" into articles
> for the Sput.
>  I have tentative plans to come to the park the week after Father's Day.
> With my past few trips, I have flown into Billings or Bozeman, rented a
> vehicle, and entered through the north gate. I'm flying into Bozeman this
> time around, will be staying at Madison campground, (but will be spending
> the days in the geyser basins!). I am aware that there is road construction
> between Norris and Madison. Does anyone know what traffic is like through
> there, how bad the delays are, what the road itself is like, etc, etc, etc?
> Any input would be helpful, and could help me decide whether to enter the
> park through the north or west gates, so that I have some free time on my
> arrival day.
>
> Thank you,
> Andrew Hafner.
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bruce Jensen <bpnjensen at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Geysers] RE: Geysers that Erupt in Series
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> Probably Minute Man too.
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> > From: Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com <Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com>
> > Subject: [Geysers] RE: Geysers that Erupt in Series
> > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" <geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu>
> > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:42 AM
> > I guess that Plume would fit the
> > definition ...
> >
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:27:31 -0700
> From: Gary Einstein <greinstein at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Yellowstone June 11, 2009
> To: Geyser Observation Reports <geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu>
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> While being sorry that you could not cook breakfast, some of us city
> folks are very jealous.
>
> Gary Einstein
>
> Lynn Stephens wrote:
> >
> >
> > This morning the bison herd was bedded down in the meadow in front of
> > Geyser Hill.  About 6 am they gradually became mobile, wandering
> > through the Inn Parking lot as well as the DNLBS parking lot.  One
> > little orange calf got separated from all the other calves, which were
> > still in the meadow, and wandered onto the asphalt road.  The calf
> > kept sniffing the road, looking at the yearlings and adults munching
> > away on the grass, then sniffing the road again.  One young bull was
> > standing guard at the bike racks making certain no other bison or
> > people came near the bicycles.  Even if the sky hadn't been dripping,
> > the herd effectively prevented me from cooking breakfast in the
> > parking lot this morning.
> >
> > Lynn Stephens
> >
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:10:26 -0700
> From: Rich Gatlin <richlg96 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser List Server At 15
> To: Geyser Observation Reports <geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu>
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> Congratulations Dave
>
> Richlg96
>
>
> On 6/11/09, David Monteith <dmonteit at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Happy belated anniversary.
> >
> > I started the geyser list serve 15 year ago.  The idea originated after a
> > discusion with Lynn and my friend Skip over Memorial Day Weekend 1994.
>  At
> > first there were 6 subscribers, including Lynn, Skip and myself.  That
> first
> > Summer, reports discussed the activity of Ledge, the nearly cemented
> marker
> > at Splendid (a discussion we could be having today) and if I remember
> > correctly, false indicators at Beehive.  I never would have imagined
> where
> > the list would go.  I first met Carlton, today's moderator, because of
> the
> > list.  When the list got too big for me to handle manually, Carlton
> offered
> > the list a home at Walla Walla College (now University).  The list grew
> > quickly.  By July of 1994 we had 30 subscribers, which seemed a lot to me
> at
> > the time.  We currently have 412 email addresses (though it is hard to
> tell
> > how many are defunct.)  Little did I realize at the time how starting the
> > list would change my life.  My first talk with Tara was because her
> father,
> > Carlton, asked her to relay a list related message.  Tara and I will be
> > celebrating our 4th anniversary in September.
> >
> > Thank you to everyone for making the geyser list serve a success.  It
> will
> > be
> > fun to see what the future brings.
> >
> > Dave
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:14:40 -0600
> From: Lynn Stephens <lstephens2006 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Geysers] Yellowstone Report 6/12 (Stephens)
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>
>
> I started the morning on geyser hill with a dead radio.
>
>
>
> I watched a delicate rainbow in a Lion initial at 6:51, then recorded Plume
> intervals of 69 minutes and 75 minutes.  Someone called Plumes with an
> interval of 69 minutes this afternoon.
>
>
>
> I was watching a killdeer running across Geyser Hill from Beehive toward
> Depression.  The killdeer's legs are so slender and move so quickly that it
> looked like the body was suspended 3 inches above the ground, gliding from
> one point to another.  I was following the killdeer toward Depression when I
> got the start of Depression at 0757.  I stayed for a few minutes after
> Depression's eruption had ended.  I had forgotten how noisy it is for the
> first few minutes as it refills.  The sound is like a very loud washing
> machine.
>
>
>
> When I checked out books Tuesday in the West Yellowstone library, I had
> chosen two from the outdoor non-fiction section.  As I was looking up at the
> shelf above, I saw a copy of the anthology "Montana--the Last Best Place."
>  Since I can only check out three books at a time, I decided to get that as
> the third book, going for several inches of reading material in a single
> book.  What I didn't think about was just how heavy an 1100 page book was
> going to be in my bag and how difficult it was going to be to support the
> book when it was open as I was sitting on the boardwalk.  So, I gave up
> reading while waiting for Beehive.  As  I was watching the water undulating
> down the brown and orange algae terraces toward Beehive's Indicator and
> beyond, it had a hypnotizing effect.
>
>
>
> The second Old Faithful eruption I watched this morning from Beehive had a
> stunning bay surge.  The column of water and associated steam column were
> going straight up with the exception of the billowing collar of steam that
> surrounding the base of the column.  After an Old Faithful eruption, I noted
> that it took 9 minutes before the waterfalls near the boardwalk from the
> Beehive overlook to East Chinaman Spring because audible from my seat in
> front of Beehive.
>
>
>
> At one point a 2 year old girl and her parents walked by.  She was ahead of
> her parents, and as she arrived as Scissors Spring, she started calling
> quite excitedly to her father, "Look at this Daddy, it's going up."  She
> certainly hadn't become jaded and lost the sense of mystery of hot water
> erupting into the air, even if it was just the few inches of Scissors
> Spring.
>
>
>
> I walked over to Lion hoping to get another rainbow in Lion's second
> eruption.  While I was on my way, Ben Hoppe arrived on Geyser Hill, and
> called water in the Indicator.  He called the Indicator at 8:17 and Beehive
> erupted at 08:29.  There was a really intense, vibrant rainbow in Beehive's
> column.
>
>
>
> As the crowd from Grand had arrived at Beehive, someone said to me, "How
> far do you think we'll get on the way back before Grand eruptions?"  My
> answer was, "Not very far, because there's Grand now," just as Sam Holbrook
> called it at 08:33.  Grand erupted this afternoon at 17:04.
>
>
>
> As I was leaving for the Lower Basin, someone called Daisy at 08:51.
>
>
>
> When I arrived at Great Fountain, I updated the prediction board.  Then,
> because overflow hadn't started yet, I started adjusting the board to let
> people know it would be at least another hour before it erupted.  One
> visitor wanted to know how I knew, so I explained about overflow.  He was
> quite upset though because he was afraid the eruption might happen without
> overflow and so he would miss it if he left.  I just agreed that would be
> quite upsetting and left it at that, because after all, maybe someday it
> will decide to forego all the preliminary activity and just erupt.
>
>
>
> Pink Cone started sometime during Great Fountain's first burst, so I'll
> just record the time as 1229ie.  As I was editing yesterday's post to cut
> and then add other parts for my family, I noticed I had cut off part of the
> sentence about Pink Cone intervals.  The sentence should have read,
> "Assuming 7 intervals since the last observed start, the average was 25
> hours; assuming 8 intervals, the average was about 21-1/2 hours, which makes
> more sense given previously recorded intervals."  Jere B. told me the reason
> that visitors get see Pink Cone erupting 70-80 feet high but I don't is
> because the visitors are using Rocco feet.  (Rocco--If you're reading this,
> I thought you said we'd see more of you here at Old Faithful this summer
> than last year.)
>
>
>
> Last night I gave up on Atomizer.  I had a 45 second minor at 1743, then
> missed a minor while I was at the office.  When I returned at 18:55 to view
> Atomizer, it was having after minor heavy splashing, which did not result in
> a major.  I knew it was going to be after dark before Atomizer had the
> major, so I left.  This afternoon as I was returning from Great Fountain,
> there was an Atomizer major in progress at 12:49ie.
>
>
>
> I spent the afternoon in the office.  MaryBeth (Schwarz) stopped by to let
> me know she had dropped some stuff off at the trailer.  She's spending the
> night in West Yellowstone tonight, but will start staying here at Old
> Faithful tomorrow.  People have been saying they were waiting for MaryBeth
> to arrive so she could whip Grand into shape.  I'll let her tell you her
> response to those comments/requests.  (Hint--It wasn't a positive one for
> those of you who are hoping.)
>
>
>
> Lynn Stephens
>
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