There are conventions that need to be satisfied in all this. Arguments against naming are NOT arguments against identifying in some recoverable but less formal fashion. Like it or not, there are rather strict constraints on the naming of things, at least in what can be called "official." [And yes, I have violated such constraints at times.] This does not mean things can't be identified. Of course "we" want to be able to keep track of such things as the various "Dwarfs," but that can be done with some sort of informal designation based, perhaps on a relative position within the group ("Dwarf #2 SW") or geographic position (latitude-longitude, though I really questions such designations as that which appeared on Facebook a day or two ago where both lat and long were cited to 15 (fifteen!) decimal places). For the record, the vent that is essentially always visible spouting toward the base of Arrowhead Spring is indeed "North Dwarf." "Red Dwarf" is/was more-or-less in the center of the cluster. Scott Bryan In a message dated 12/19/2014 4:58:41 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, eric at zimtek.com writes: The reason I started this thread was for exactly the reason Mara describes, plus having some way to start to collect data on it via Geyser Times of what we are observing on the webcam...many here keep saying vents open and close, but if we are not identifying (naming) those vents and track their eruptions, then we have no record of how long they have been active or an easy way to analyze if there are correlations in their behaviors or even if the vent actually does disappear! On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Mara Reed <_mara.reed at me.com_ (mailto:mara.reed at me.com) > wrote: Despite the fact that those vents may be gone soon, would it not be prudent to have some consensus on unofficial names (at least for those vents known to do anything in recent years) so that one can say “such and such Dwarf erupted” in discussion of the area and people actually know which vent it is? If nothing else, there still seems to be confusion as to whether the perpetual spouter vent is called “Red” or “North.” Maybe it stops being perpetual in a few years, maybe it continues its current activity - nobody can know - but it sure makes it easier to discuss when we have a consistent name for it. With all due respect to Lee Whittlesey, I’d also wager it makes it easier to dig up information on a particular feature when the name used is consistent. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: </geyser-list/attachments/20141220/54d81594/attachment.html>