The ones I miss most are the ones at the pullouts in Hayden Valley, although they weren't as bear-proof as they might have been. Karen Webb On 12/3/2014 1:49 PM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > Thanks Janet, but I think you meant new outhouses at Midway Geyser > Basin parking lot rather than Lower Geyser Basin parking lot. > > And, when the garbage can was removed at Great Fountain, garbage cans > also disappeared from all other places--Black Sand, Biscuit, Steel > Bridge, Flood pull-out, Hot Lake, etc., etc., etc., all over the > park. The rationale I was given for taking out the garbage cans was > cost, potential injury to maintenance persons trying to empty the > garbage cans, and use of dumpsters wherever there were outhouses would > handle the garbage that otherwise would have gone into the cans. > > Lynn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:18:00 -0500 > From: pinkconemtgo at gmail.com > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Entrance and Backcountry Fee > > During the comment period, before the parking lot for Fountain Paint > Pots was actually approved, the Johns family read the EIS (I think it > was called that then.) We went and counted parking lot spaces. It > was designed to cut the spaces by a third. We went to the Visitor > Center and explained it to a number of the naturalists at the time. > They had all thought it would be a bigger lot! Everyone complained. > We gave out forms to every geyser gazer that appeared before the > comment period ended. Not only was the lot shortened but the number > of outhouses was cut by a third also. That was to accommodate new > outhouses at the Lower Geyser Basin parking lot. Adding those > outhouses required additional time to stop to clean them so it was > determined that Fountain needed a third less to keep from hiring more > cleaners. That is also why the garbage can at Great Fountain was > removed. Personnel hiring needed to decline. As always in > Yellowstone, the rates go up and the services to the public go down. > I don't think a rate increase will change that trend. Its all well > and good to fight with fish....but humans need help in the park too. > The only option to this is to limit the number of visitors per day. I > suggest that eliminating all tour groups (particularly foreign groups) > would be a fine start. > > > Now this very grumpy ex-volunteer will shut up. > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 8:50 AM, David Prast <davidjprast at gmail.com > <mailto:davidjprast at gmail.com>> wrote: > > Jim, > > You stated, "and then they get to keep 80 million". Did you mean > _up to_ 80 million? Are you stating collection of revenue is > capped at 80 million? Later in your posting you referred to a 20 > million dollar split between Yellowstone and Grand Tetons. What is > the source of that 20 million dollar figure? I'm a little confused. > > It seems the funding stream is somewhat complicated based on a > number of variables. How have you come to learn about the funding > mechanism? Do you know where I could find the actual formula? > > David Prast > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:38 AM, <seeyellowstone at aol.com > <mailto:seeyellowstone at aol.com>> wrote: > > I'm wondering why no one is complaining about winter use in > Yellowstone. This has truly become for the elite. It's not > possible for a family of 4 to go to Old Faithful in the winter > under $400 for the day. By the way the park does not get to > keep 80% of the revenue until they paid Congress the amount > the park brought in back in 1996, the park has to pay that > first, then they get to keep 80 million. For example, our of > the 3.5 million visitors that came in last year, let's say > there were 1 million vehicles (it seemed like it some days), > at $25 per car load, that would be $25 million. The park even > advertises that they get to split 2.5 million last year though > this program (no where near 20 million), if Congress would > keep their hands out of the pot in the first place, > Yellowstone and Grand Teton would be splitting over 20 > million, and all national parks would be self sustaining, > likely without a fee increase. > Jim Holstein > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Webb <caros at xmission.com <mailto:caros at xmission.com>> > To: Geyser Observation Reports <geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > <mailto:geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu>> > Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 5:50 pm > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Entrance and Backcountry Fee > > Can I just point out that, in the case of FPP, the parking lot > used to extend to the north and have the decent, airier, > I-have-not-just-been-dropped-into-an-oubliette sort of > latrine. If an environmental impact statement was the cause of > either the shrinkage of the parking lot or the placement of > these blots on the name of humanity, I was not aware of it > (although that can be said of other things). > Karen Webb > > On 11/24/2014 1:35 AM, michellechristine08 at gmail.com > <mailto:michellechristine08 at gmail.com> wrote: > > There is not an exact plan yet for where the extra revenue > will go, but they hope to use a portion of it for gill > netting in Yellowstone Lake as well as setting some aside > for a rehabilitation fund. > > Also, just a note on the parking areas at FPP and Midway. > The reason that those parking > lots are not expanded has nothing to do with funding. > Therefore, you should not expect that to be in the plans > for extra revenue. Expanding parking areas in protected > areas like our national parks is pretty complicated, > involving environmental impact statements and other plans > that take years to complete. In Yellowstone, you also have > to take into account the thermal areas that lie close to > those parking lots. If those parking area were being built > today, they would never be where they are. They are > already too close to thermal areas, so expanding them is > out of the question. It stinks, but it is true. > > As far as the entrance fee increase goes, the fact is that > our national parks need more money. Thankfully, > Yellowstone was not impacted too much by the sequester a > couple years back (because it is such a popular and large > park) but visitor centers all over the nation were closed > and important jobs cut. Unless parks get more money, > actions like that will become much more common. As was > stated earlier, short of changes in federal government > funding, there really aren't a lot of other ways to get > that extra money. They have to do what they have to do. > > For those that are interested, there are days that the > national parks allow free entrance. For those that truly > cannot afford the entrance fee, I am sure they can plan > their trips to coincide with those days, especially if > they live within short driving distance. The NPS > advertises those days on their website. > > Michelle Eide > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:38 PM, David Prast > <davidjprast at gmail.com <mailto:davidjprast at gmail.com>> wrote: > > Having reviewed the minutes if the meeting that were > provided, I noticed there was no mention of the the > specific use of the additional revenue. It would seem > there is no interest in a shuttle system (thank > goodness) and the no interest in expanded parking at > Fountain Paint Pots even though the number of > automobile parking spaces was reduced during the last > parking lot project. So....what is the "plan" for the > additional revenue? Is there a specific designated > project for the additional revenue? > > Just wondering, > > David Prast > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:05 PM, > <mmjustus at mmjustus.com <mailto:mmjustus at mmjustus.com>> > wrote: > > I disagree wholeheartedly with this, especially > for people who live within a reasonably short > drive (say within a tank of gas) and make trips to > the park on a shoestring. Or who have to save > pennies to make trips to the national parks. > Every dollar counts. This is how I visit national > parks, and I will tell you that yes, doubling the > entrance fee would make a huge difference to > people like me. And there are a lot more of us > than those making this argument seem to think > there are. > Meg Justus > I agree with Ben. The cost is a real > bargain---Disneyland and Disney World charge $100 > per day. It seems to me highly unlikely that the > small rise in entrance fee would prevent any but > the most casual potential visitor from coming, > considering the cost of travel and other expenses. > Ralph Taylor > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > <mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > <mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu <mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > <http://www.avast.com/> > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! > Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/> protection is active. > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu <mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu <mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu <mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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