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<font size="-1"><font face="Comic Sans MS">The ones I miss most are
the ones at the pullouts in Hayden Valley, although they weren't
as bear-proof as they might have been.<br>
Karen Webb<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/3/2014 1:49 PM, Lynn Stephens
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Janet, but I think you meant new outhouses
at Midway Geyser Basin parking lot rather than Lower Geyser
Basin parking lot.<br>
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And, when the garbage can was removed at Great Fountain, garbage
cans also disappeared from all other places--Black Sand,
Biscuit, Steel Bridge, Flood pull-out, Hot Lake, etc., etc.,
etc., all over the park. The rationale I was given for taking
out the garbage cans was cost, potential injury to maintenance
persons trying to empty the garbage cans, and use of dumpsters
wherever there were outhouses would handle the garbage that
otherwise would have gone into the cans.<br>
<br>
Lynn<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:18:00 -0500<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pinkconemtgo@gmail.com">pinkconemtgo@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu">geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Geysers] Entrance and Backcountry Fee<br>
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<div>During the comment period, before the parking lot for
Fountain Paint Pots was actually approved, the Johns
family read the EIS (I think it was called that then.) We
went and counted parking lot spaces. It was designed to
cut the spaces by a third. We went to the Visitor Center
and explained it to a number of the naturalists at the
time. They had all thought it would be a bigger lot!
Everyone complained. We gave out forms to every geyser
gazer that appeared before the comment period ended. Not
only was the lot shortened but the number of outhouses was
cut by a third also. That was to accommodate new
outhouses at the Lower Geyser Basin parking lot. Adding
those outhouses required additional time to stop to clean
them so it was determined that Fountain needed a third
less to keep from hiring more cleaners. That is also why
the garbage can at Great Fountain was removed. Personnel
hiring needed to decline. As always in Yellowstone, the
rates go up and the services to the public go down. I
don't think a rate increase will change that trend. Its
all well and good to fight with fish....but humans need
help in the park too. The only option to this is to limit
the number of visitors per day. I suggest that
eliminating all tour groups (particularly foreign groups)
would be a fine start. <br>
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Now this very grumpy ex-volunteer will shut up.<br>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 8:50 AM,
David Prast <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Jim,<br>
<br>
</div>
You stated, "and then they get to keep 80
million". Did you mean <u>up to</u> 80 million?
Are you stating collection of revenue is capped at
80 million? Later in your posting you referred to
a 20 million dollar split between Yellowstone and
Grand Tetons. What is the source of that 20
million dollar figure? I'm a little confused.<br>
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It seems the funding stream is somewhat complicated
based on a number of variables. How have you come to
learn about the funding mechanism? Do you know where
I could find the actual formula? <br>
<br>
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David Prast<br>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at
6:38 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:seeyellowstone@aol.com"
target="_blank">seeyellowstone@aol.com</a>></span>
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<div><font style="background-color:
transparent;">I'm wondering why no one is
complaining about winter use in
Yellowstone. This has truly become for the
elite. It's not possible for a family of 4
to go to Old Faithful in the winter under
$400 for the day. By the way the park does
not get to keep 80% of the revenue until
they paid Congress the amount the park
brought in back in 1996, the park has to pay
that first, then they get to keep 80
million. For example, our of the 3.5
million visitors that came in last year,
let's say there were 1 million vehicles (it
seemed like it some days), at $25 per car
load, that would be $25 million. The park
even advertises that they get to split 2.5
million last year though this program (no
where near 20 million), if Congress would
keep their hands out of the pot in the first
place, Yellowstone and Grand Teton would be
splitting over 20 million, and all national
parks would be self sustaining, likely
without a fee increase.</font></div>
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<div>Jim Holstein</div>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 5:50 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Geysers] Entrance and
Backcountry Fee<br>
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<div> <font size="-1"><font
face="Comic Sans MS">Can I
just point out that, in the
case of FPP, the parking lot
used to extend to the north
and have the decent, airier,
I-have-not-just-been-dropped-into-an-oubliette
sort of latrine. If an
environmental impact statement
was the cause of either the
shrinkage of the parking lot
or the placement of these
blots on the name of humanity,
I was not aware of it
(although that can be said of
other things).<br>
Karen Webb<br>
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<div>On 11/24/2014 1:35 AM, <a
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href="mailto:michellechristine08@gmail.com"
target="_blank">michellechristine08@gmail.com</a>
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<div>There is not an exact plan
yet for where the extra
revenue will go, but they hope
to use a portion of it for
gill netting in Yellowstone
Lake as well as setting some
aside for a rehabilitation
fund.</div>
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<div>Also, just a note on the
parking areas at FPP and
Midway. The reason that those
parking </div>
<div>lots are not expanded has
nothing to do with funding.
Therefore, you should not
expect that to be in the plans
for extra revenue. Expanding
parking areas in protected
areas like our national parks
is pretty complicated,
involving environmental impact
statements and other plans
that take years to complete.
In Yellowstone, you also have
to take into account the
thermal areas that lie close
to those parking lots. If
those parking area were being
built today, they would never
be where they are. They are
already too close to thermal
areas, so expanding them is
out of the question. It
stinks, but it is true.</div>
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<div>As far as the entrance fee
increase goes, the fact is
that our national parks need
more money. Thankfully,
Yellowstone was not impacted
too much by the sequester a
couple years back (because it
is such a popular and large
park) but visitor centers all
over the nation were closed
and important jobs cut. Unless
parks get more money, actions
like that will become much
more common. As was stated
earlier, short of changes in
federal government funding,
there really aren't a lot of
other ways to get that extra
money. They have to do what
they have to do.</div>
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<div>For those that are
interested, there are days
that the national parks allow
free entrance. For those that
truly cannot afford the
entrance fee, I am sure they
can plan their trips to
coincide with those days,
especially if they live within
short driving distance. The
NPS advertises those days on
their website.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Michelle Eide</div>
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On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:38 PM,
David Prast <<a
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<div>Having reviewed the
minutes if the meeting
that were provided, I
noticed there was no
mention of the the
specific use of the
additional revenue. It
would seem there is no
interest in a shuttle
system (thank goodness)
and the no interest in
expanded parking at
Fountain Paint Pots even
though the number of
automobile parking
spaces was reduced
during the last parking
lot project. So....what
is the "plan" for the
additional revenue? Is
there a specific
designated project for
the additional revenue?
<br>
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<div>Just wondering,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
David Prast<br>
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12:05 PM, <span
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<div><font
size="4">I
disagree
wholeheartedly
with this,
especially for
people who
live within a
reasonably
short drive
(say within a
tank of gas)
and make trips
to the park on
a shoestring.
Or who have to
save pennies
to make trips
to the
national
parks. Every
dollar
counts. This
is how I visit
national
parks, and I
will tell you
that yes,
doubling the
entrance fee
would make a
huge
difference to
people like
me. And there
are a lot more
of us than
those making
this argument
seem to think
there are.</font></div>
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Justus</font></div>
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with Ben. The
cost is a real
bargain—Disneyland
and Disney
World charge
$100 per day.
It seems to me
highly
unlikely that
the small rise
in entrance
fee would
prevent any
but the most
casual
potential
visitor from
coming,
considering
the cost of
travel and
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