[Geysers] Geyser Gazing, chat page and the Sput (GOSA)

[David Schwarz]

A few things to say here:

First, re. North Goggles:

I recommend that recording standards from previous active phases apply
here.  Specifically, minor eruptions of North Goggles consist of sustained,
massive bursting and jetting, coincide with an immediate loss of water
level in Goggles Spring, and last 20 seconds to a minute.  In the past,
minors generally began within seconds after North Goggles started an
overflow.  Based on videos I've seen from this year, I believe this still
holds.  An arbitrary height standard seems silly.  This is a very distinct
kind of activity from a normal rise-and-boil or a major eruption.

Major eruptions consist of sustained jetting for a period of minutes,
generally to greater heights than minors, and end with a steam phase.  In
the past, they started after very long periods of continuous overflow.

One-foot boils immediately upon reaching overflow and throughout an
extended overflow are very frequent when North Goggles is active, and have
generally not been recorded as eruptions in and of themselves.  I strongly
recommend maintaining this distinction.  They do not drain the system (the
accompanying overflow is not cut short) nor do they interrupt the 10-ish
minute overflow cycle and delay the following overflow as minor eruptions
do.  They're just a normal overflow in which the geyser is hot enough to do
a nice boil.  Furthermore, boils on North Goggles are not even necessarily
discrete events--when building up to a major eruption, it boils
continuously to about a foot for upwards of 20 minutes.  The fact that such
boils are capable of generating sufficient steam to register to viewers
watching the webcam is _quite_ valuable information, and should be taken
into account in interpreting both past and future webcam observations.



Regarding the logbook, recording times, calling times on the radio,
cliquish gazers, etc.:

For what it's worth, I speak from the experience of 10 full summers in the
park and 11 subsequent years in the real world with only brief forays back.

If it causes you stress or inconvenience to report times--via the radio, in
person, whatever--don't do it.  It's not worth the aggravation.  If the
current in-group ignores, dismisses, or is openly rude to you, do your own
thing, with or without other, more agreeable people.  If getting
information out is important to you, no one can stop you making reports
here, and, as I'll elaborate below, I think descriptive reports here are
usually more valuable than columns of numbers in the logbook anyway.

Some years, everyone and his dog is allowed to write in the logbook, grease
pencils are handed out like breath mints, and assistance with observation
and posting predictions of the major geysers is welcomed and encouraged by
the district naturalist.  In the 1980s, there were even a small number of
volunteer positions to do precisely that.  Other years, the logbook is
treated like a sacred text, to be altered only by properly anointed
scribes, and possession of a grease pencil is grounds for a official
reprimand.

Either way, there's nothing earth-shaking about getting your times into the
Old Faithful logbook.  Anyone who derives a sense of self-importance from
getting information into the logbook is drastically misguided and/or has
disturbingly low standards of self-importance.  The geology division has
made it fairly clear that, with few exceptions, and for whatever reason,
geyser-related research is of little interest to them, and therefore isn't
of official interest to the Park Service.

If you make a call on the radio, therefore, your audience is us--other
gazers.  If a member of the Old Faithful interpretive staff hears a call
that's useful to them, good.  If they have time to jot it down in the
logbook, great.  If they need help and can get it by making a radio
request, that's a bonus, but that is not to my mind the primary purpose of
the radios.  For most of the time I was in the park, the visitor center
didn't even _have_ a gazer-compatible radio.  The radios are for relaying
useful information to each other--Giant is having a hot period, Fan and
Mortar are in a pause, North Goggles has been overflowing for 45 minutes
and has started boiling, Depression erupted at 1325, holy crap I think
that's Mastiff, etc.  If I make a call on the radio, it's because I think
there may be someone out there who might be able to use that information to
decide where they want to be when.

If you're concerned about getting your data into the permanent record, then
radios are the worst way to go about it.  This listserv is far more widely
accessible--and frankly, I have more confidence that I'll be able to look
up listserv records in the future than that I'll be able to retrieve a copy
of a given year's logbook from whatever black hole it's cast into at the
end of the season.  I'd also rank The Sput and The Transactions as good
receptacles for knowledge, as well as public websites like Geyser Times.

Speaking for myself, I appreciate any effort that anyone makes to ensure
that we have a communal record of what geysers did what and when.  While I
agree that it's not worth logging every 1-foot rise-and-boil from North
Goggle as an eruption, the fact that it's having them during and after Lion
series--which matches Allan Friedman's description from 1985 in The
Transactions 1, and observations by myself and others in the 1990s--is
worth recording, as it has now been, here, on this forum.  I'd rather have
the descriptions and anecdotes here, with supporting data as available,
than pages of numbers that tell me nothing beyond that geyser X did
something at YY:YY.  The latter tells me that geyser X was active.  The
former tells me what the activity was like--more interesting, more useful
to historians, and more useful to _me_ the next time I'm watching geyser X.

As for gazers, they're a mixed bag.  Like Dave said, the group has a
tendency to cliquishness.  Some are elitist.  Some are brusque with people
they don't know, some to the point of shocking rudeness.  Some will talk
your ear off.  Some are flat out nuts.  Some you just have to catch on the
right day.  Let's be honest, we've got a strange shared interest, and it
draws a remarkably diverse, if often bizarre, cross-section of the
population.  You'll be much happier if you can just shrug most of the
social weirdness off and get on with the business of being on vacation in
Yellowstone.

If your enjoyment of your time in Yellowstone depends on the local politics
of the day, whether gazer, Park Service, or both, I assure you, more often
that not, you're going to have a bad time.  It's just how the place is.

Rip the "talk" key off your radio, throw away your notebook and just
consider yourself a tourist, if that's what it takes.  It can be liberating.

David Schwarz



On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:44 PM, <inezaustin at aol.com> wrote:

>  Well, I am done.  I will no longer contribute to the Sput, post on the
> listserv, announce on the radio or write on the CamChat.  My 55 years of
> notebooks will not be going anywhere.  Once I am done I will trash them.
>
> Today, Jim decreed that no North Goggle minors less than 8 feet are to be
> recorded in the book or announced on the radio.
>
> In addition, he said that I had gone into the Visitor Center managed to
> get the log book and written times in it.  The truth being that I was in
> the Visitor Center 2 nights ago giving them times, that they need to lock
> up, handed me the book and pen and said to enter them.  Not quite the same
> thing.  It seems that my name is no longer in the book, only folks that Jim
> vets are allowed to be in the book.  Apparently the ranger thought I was
> someone else, although we had talked several times.  I even asked him as he
> hurried away "you want me the write these in" and he replied yes, and to
> listen to the radio and record any I heard.  So since the story being
> touted is  a lie, I am done.
>
> Jim and his cronies may be great gazers, but they stifle many of the other
> folks and it is tolerated because he is great about recording times.
>
> So no need to post my message I sent originally, no need to post my photos
> of Black Sand Pool and certainly no need to publish or discuss my info for
> North Google. Which by the way today was interesting.  North Google for the
> latest Lion Series stayed up after the Lion eruption.  North Google has 1
> foot minors every 11 to 12 minutes until the next Lion eruption.  This
> explains the steam spikes that can be seen on the web cam. When Lion
> appears to go out of series Google stayed up contuing its 11 minute minors,
> finally draining at 12:16 (last Lion minor at noon).  North Google then
> came back and had a 4-5 foot minor at 1301.
>
> Inez
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: David Monteith <dmonteit at comcast.net>
> To: inezaustin <inezaustin at aol.com>
> Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 11:23 pm
> Subject: Re: Geyser Gazing, chat page and the Sput (GOSA)
>
>  Inez:
>
>
> I read your submission to the geyser list with interest.  You make many
>
> good points.  The behavior of some geyser gazers can appear cliquish,
>
> rude and/or indifferent.  It has been a problem for years. I remember
>
> running into the same issues when I started gazing in the early 90's and
>
> feeling hurt when it happened.
>
>
> I don't like that geyser gazers are often perceived as being rude but
>
> I'm not certain how to address this issue.  What I've learned over the
>
> years is that the issue is very touchy.  When confronted by those that
>
> feel hurt by geyser gazers' discourtesy, geyser gazers end up feeling
>
> hurt.  Most geyser gazers truly try to be inclusive so it hurts when
>
> they discover that others see them differently.  When people have hurt
>
> feelings they stop listening.  This is true of both sides.  Instead of
>
> working to fix a real problem when this issue is brought up, everyone
>
> gets hurt, stops listening and gets defensive.  Ultimately, confronting
>
> geyser gazers with their perceived rudeness doesn't help to solve the
>
> problem, it actually makes the problem worse.
>
>
> I'm not certain how to address this issue in a way that won't put the
>
> geyser gazers on the defensive.  I'd like to hear your thoughts.
>
>
> Two other issues you should be aware of.  First, I'm heading out of town
>
> and won't be able to post the list until I get home.  Second, I'm not
>
> certain where you wanted your message printed other than the geyser
>
> list.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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