To clarify-"a few hours after Grand" was always before Grand had refilled. Sometimes it was during Vent and Turban, other times it was after they quit their long eruption post Grand, but it was always after Grand. I am not saying it does this all the time, just the time I have seen it. As for Key versus Shoe, I saw Key erupt in 1988. The first eruption went over the trail at an angle and reached about 10 feet. It was muddy, chunky, and stank. The next few eruptions reached from 1-4 feet, each coming about an hour apart, and steadily got smaller and smaller. Both the upper and lower vent erupted. Key is the double vented feature about halfway between Economic and "Topsoil". Shoe is the small depression closer to the hillside than the trail. There is a third vent sometimes with water in it between Key and "Topsoil" that I have never seen erupt. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:55 AM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Sput comments In a message dated 7/1/2005 12:14:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com writes: For what it is worth, I have seen "Topsoil" splash/bubble like this several times over the years, most of them a few hours after Grand has erupted. I wonder if Mike misstated in some fashion -- or at least, define "a few hours after Grand" which could as easily be a few hours before, or between or..........? This year's occasion when I saw the biggest splashes (again, perhaps up to 1 foot) was right after Grand -- Vent and Turban were still going. Item #2 -- I've never been clear on the Key versus Shoe business, but has anybody else had the idea that Key is that (presently) orange thing that is, indeed, shaped like a Key much more than it is like a shoe AND that Shoe was/is that smaller hole that is closer to Grand? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: </geyser-list/attachments/20050701/cf097bb1/attachment.html>