<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Hey, Tolkien would have called them Dwarves, and we could then name them Gimli, etc.<br><br></div> <blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1" style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size:10pt; color:black; font-family:verdana;"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Dwarfs<br> From: "Whittlesey, Lee" <<a href="mailto:lee_whittlesey@nps.gov">lee_whittlesey@nps.gov</a>><br> Date: Wed, December 17, 2014 7:50 am<br> To: Geyser Observation Reports <<a href="mailto:geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu">geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a>><br> <br> <div dir="ltr">What's the big deal with naming these? Nothing about these in particular (I happen to like the name Dwarf), but there is a consideration with naming in general. Potential duplication is generally a problem (although not here), because people tend to pick names that have already been used. That causes headaches for those of us who try to keep track of such names. I've written about these kinds of problems and what I believe the rules are (and given suggestions for that they should be---but those are only one man's opinion) in the Introduction to Wonderland Nomenclature. <div><br></div><div>As for the "permanency thing," Udo is right that sorting that out can be difficult. My general rule has been that if it is a spring in an acid area, beware of attaching a name because the area is likely to change. In alkaline areas, there often is more stability so giving a name seems less fraught with problems due to change. In mixed areas like Norris, it's sometimes a toss-up and thus difficult for all of us. No matter what "rules" one may come up with, someone can point to an exception or a problem. </div><div><br></div><div>But, hey, that's part of the fun of YNP thermals.</div><div><br></div><div>Lee Whittlesey<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:24 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:TSBryan@aol.com" target="_blank">TSBryan@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u> <div style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:#000000"><font color="#000000" face="Arial"> <div>It was following the trip to Kamchatka, where a cluster of small geysers near Velikan were called "The Dwarfs" by Vitalii Nikolayenko, that I boldly applied that term as a general name for this cluster of small erupting vents. Given that Geyser Hill also boasts Midget and Pygmy plus other small things like Cub and "Kitten," I think the name is fitting. Note, though, that in my book I show that name and any more specific name within the group within quotes.</div> <div> </div> <div>That said, I wholeheartedly agree with Micah and Lee that no additional naming should be done within that cluster.</div> <div> </div> <div>Scott Bryan</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>In a message dated 12/15/2014 5:55:21 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, <a href="mailto:lee_whittlesey@nps.gov" target="_blank">lee_whittlesey@nps.gov</a> writes:</div> <blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color="#000000" face="Arial"> <div dir="ltr">I agree completely with Micah Kipple about the naming of features that are likely to disappear. Let's wait until there is some semblance of permanency or at least long-term existence. <div><br></div> <div>Lee Whittlesey</div></div> <div class="gmail_extra"><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Micah Kipple <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:godsfireworks@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godsfireworks@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godsfireworks@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid"> <div> <div style="FONT-SIZE:14px;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff"> <div dir="ltr">It has been my understanding in my relatively few years of gazing that the naming of the "Dwarfs" has been avoided simply due to the amount of changing activity in the area. Vents break out and get re-sintered over every year. While the current "Dwarf" erupting 90% of the time has shown that it's definitely more "stable" than the other vents in the complex. I would not put my chips down as to whether that would remain the case, the same goes for the Dwarf seen erupting near the boardwalk. Thus I agree that we should refrain from naming individual vents when they could be gone within a year. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br></div> <div dir="ltr">Just my thoughts on the matter</div><span><font color="#888888"> <div></div> <div> </div> <div> <div>Micah Kipple <br>Enjoy the Little Things! <br></div></div></font></span></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Geysers mailing list<br><a title="mailto:Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu" href="mailto:Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu" target="_blank">Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a><br><a title="https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers" href="https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers" target="_blank">https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers</a><br></blockquote></div></div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Geysers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu" target="_blank">Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers" target="_blank">https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers</a></font></blockquote></div></font></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> Geysers mailing list<br> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu">Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a><br> <a href="https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers" target="_blank">https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers</a><br></blockquote></div></div> <hr>_______________________________________________<br> Geysers mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu">Geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a><br> <a href="https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers">https://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers</a> </div> </blockquote></span></body></html>