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<font size="-1"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Thank you for this,
Janet. And my recollection is that the number of outhouses was
cut by a lot more than a third in favor of a mere 2 oubliettes.
It ends up making geysers sits at Fountain a bloody nightmare
for women, pregnant women, and anyone with urinary tract
problems. Do you know where that final decision actually rested?<br>
Karen Webb<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/2014 11:18 AM, Janet Johns
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<div>During the comment period, before the parking lot for
Fountain Paint Pots was actually approved, the Johns family
read the EIS (I think it was called that then.) We went and
counted parking lot spaces. It was designed to cut the
spaces by a third. We went to the Visitor Center and
explained it to a number of the naturalists at the time. They
had all thought it would be a bigger lot! Everyone
complained. We gave out forms to every geyser gazer that
appeared before the comment period ended. Not only was the
lot shortened but the number of outhouses was cut by a third
also. That was to accommodate new outhouses at the Lower
Geyser Basin parking lot. Adding those outhouses required
additional time to stop to clean them so it was determined
that Fountain needed a third less to keep from hiring more
cleaners. That is also why the garbage can at Great Fountain
was removed. Personnel hiring needed to decline. As always in
Yellowstone, the rates go up and the services to the public go
down. I don't think a rate increase will change that trend.
Its all well and good to fight with fish....but humans need
help in the park too. The only option to this is to limit the
number of visitors per day. I suggest that eliminating all
tour groups (particularly foreign groups) would be a fine
start. <br>
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Now this very grumpy ex-volunteer will shut up.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 8:50 AM, David
Prast <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Jim,<br>
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You stated, "and then they get to keep 80 million".
Did you mean <u>up to</u> 80 million? Are you stating
collection of revenue is capped at 80 million? Later
in your posting you referred to a 20 million dollar
split between Yellowstone and Grand Tetons. What is
the source of that 20 million dollar figure? I'm a
little confused.<br>
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It seems the funding stream is somewhat complicated
based on a number of variables. How have you come to
learn about the funding mechanism? Do you know where I
could find the actual formula? <br>
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David Prast<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:38 AM,
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><font style="background-color:transparent">I'm
wondering why no one is complaining about winter
use in Yellowstone. This has truly become for
the elite. It's not possible for a family of 4
to go to Old Faithful in the winter under $400
for the day. By the way the park does not get
to keep 80% of the revenue until they paid
Congress the amount the park brought in back in
1996, the park has to pay that first, then they
get to keep 80 million. For example, our of the
3.5 million visitors that came in last year,
let's say there were 1 million vehicles (it
seemed like it some days), at $25 per car load,
that would be $25 million. The park even
advertises that they get to split 2.5 million
last year though this program (no where near 20
million), if Congress would keep their hands out
of the pot in the first place, Yellowstone and
Grand Teton would be splitting over 20 million,
and all national parks would be self sustaining,
likely without a fee increase.</font></div>
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<div>Jim Holstein</div>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 5:50 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Geysers] Entrance and
Backcountry Fee<br>
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size="-1"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Can
I just point out that, in the case
of FPP, the parking lot used to
extend to the north and have the
decent, airier,
I-have-not-just-been-dropped-into-an-oubliette
sort of latrine. If an
environmental impact statement was
the cause of either the shrinkage
of the parking lot or the
placement of these blots on the
name of humanity, I was not aware
of it (although that can be said
of other things).<br>
Karen Webb<br>
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<div>On 11/24/2014 1:35 AM, <a
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href="mailto:michellechristine08@gmail.com"
target="_blank">michellechristine08@gmail.com</a>
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<div>There is not an exact plan yet
for where the extra revenue will
go, but they hope to use a portion
of it for gill netting in
Yellowstone Lake as well as
setting some aside for a
rehabilitation fund.</div>
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<div>Also, just a note on the
parking areas at FPP and Midway.
The reason that those parking </div>
<div>lots are not expanded has
nothing to do with funding.
Therefore, you should not expect
that to be in the plans for extra
revenue. Expanding parking areas
in protected areas like our
national parks is pretty
complicated, involving
environmental impact statements
and other plans that take years to
complete. In Yellowstone, you also
have to take into account the
thermal areas that lie close to
those parking lots. If those
parking area were being built
today, they would never be where
they are. They are already too
close to thermal areas, so
expanding them is out of the
question. It stinks, but it is
true.</div>
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<div>As far as the entrance fee
increase goes, the fact is that
our national parks need more
money. Thankfully, Yellowstone was
not impacted too much by the
sequester a couple years back
(because it is such a popular and
large park) but visitor centers
all over the nation were closed
and important jobs cut. Unless
parks get more money, actions like
that will become much more common.
As was stated earlier, short of
changes in federal government
funding, there really aren't a lot
of other ways to get that extra
money. They have to do what they
have to do.</div>
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<div>For those that are interested,
there are days that the national
parks allow free entrance. For
those that truly cannot afford the
entrance fee, I am sure they can
plan their trips to coincide with
those days, especially if they
live within short driving
distance. The NPS advertises those
days on their website.</div>
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<div>Michelle Eide</div>
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On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:38 PM, David
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<div>Having reviewed the
minutes if the meeting that
were provided, I noticed
there was no mention of the
the specific use of the
additional revenue. It would
seem there is no interest in
a shuttle system (thank
goodness) and the no
interest in expanded parking
at Fountain Paint Pots even
though the number of
automobile parking spaces
was reduced during the last
parking lot project.
So....what is the "plan" for
the additional revenue? Is
there a specific designated
project for the additional
revenue? <br>
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<div>Just wondering,<br>
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David Prast<br>
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PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div><font size="4">I
disagree
wholeheartedly
with this,
especially for
people who live
within a
reasonably short
drive (say
within a tank of
gas) and make
trips to the
park on a
shoestring. Or
who have to save
pennies to make
trips to the
national parks.
Every dollar
counts. This is
how I visit
national parks,
and I will tell
you that yes,
doubling the
entrance fee
would make a
huge difference
to people like
me. And there
are a lot more
of us than those
making this
argument seem to
think there are.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Meg
Justus</font></div>
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agree with
Ben. The cost
is a real
bargain—Disneyland
and Disney
World charge
$100 per day.
It seems to me
highly
unlikely that
the small rise
in entrance
fee would
prevent any
but the most
casual
potential
visitor from
coming,
considering
the cost of
travel and
other
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