<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span style="font-weight: bold;">Brian - thanks for this. I don't think the entire "plumbing system" needs to be watertight, but only the conduit above the heated water and below the vent. i think the general groundwater pressure in the basin surrounding the vent and extending upgradient underground might be enough to "seal" the system against leakage of water and energy. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Bruce Jensen,<br>California, USA<br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div><div><br><br></div><div>"[Yellowstone] is a fabulous country, the only fabulous country; it is the one place where miracles not only happen, but where they happen all the time." ~ Thomas Wolfe</div><br> <div style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times,
serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Davis, Brian L." <brdavis@iusb.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu" <geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Davis, Brian L." <brdavis@iusb.edu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:12 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Geysers] The role of geyserite in geyser plumbing (or "Who needs geyserite anyway?")<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv1826718102">
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">Why do you need geyserite to ‘pressure seal a geyser’?</div>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">We had an interesting conversation on Facebook recently about how a geyser erupts, and I managed to get myself somewhat confused (again). I was trying to point out that the pressure in a geyser conduit is never really above hydrostatic
- pressure does not “build” in a geyser (at least not after it is full), and during an eruption the pressure in the conduit decreases. A lot. So I started working up a text description of an eruption in detail (right down to how bubbles of steam grow, etc.).</div>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">Then I thought about the description of the role geyserite plays in “pressure sealing” the “plumbing systems” of geysers… and wondered “why?” As near as I can tell, pressures never rises above hydrostatic. Moreover, if the plumbing system
was actually ‘sealed’, there would be no way to recharge either water or energy to the system. So…</div>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">1) Is the pressure always at or below hydrostatic?</div>
<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">2) If so, what role does a geyserite-lined system play (vs. any other lining)?</div>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">To anyone interested in the original longish conversation, here’s a FB link to it:</div>
<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">https://www.facebook.com/groups/4939307398/permalink/10151566192312399/</div>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">This includes links to data from models that show the pressure never gets above hydrostatic *except* during rapid dynamic effects (like a steam-filled conduit sealed under a deep pool condensing the steam and producing a post-eruption ‘water
hammer’):<br>
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3695302<br>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">So far the best idea I’ve come up with is that it acts to reinforce and pressure-seal the main conduit against higher *external* pressure, after the geyser has erupted… but honestly that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, as water infiltrating
from the walls seems to be one way the conduits refill in the first place, and secondly voids in rock or even semi-consolidated sediment can remain against hydrostatic external pressure just fine on their own, no “armor cladding” needed.</div>
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<div class="yiv1826718102MsoNormal">Brian Davis</div>
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