She was there? Where was she? We do not remember her there. (Okay we...lol. I was a kid looking at water, but dad and my aunt Park Ranger Jeannine Montgomery nee Wagner did not.) Not saying she wasn't. Trust me with a three year old and a massive wave of water headed the way they were not really looking for others. Was she on the road? She would not have wanted to be on the back part of the crater. The picture my dad took from the side was close enough and had it been a historical eruption - we would not be here to tell the tale. <br>
Jeannine said after the fact looking around that she didn't see anyone. Which concerned her originally, but no one had walked passed them while they were watching. They were doing a nose count at that time afterwards. It was late in the day and most people had gone home or in Rick's case...gone to check on other things. I think he regretted that one the rest of his life. <br>
Andiy<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Lynn Stephens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lstephens2006@hotmail.com" target="_blank">lstephens2006@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I'm sorry, but one person left off this list who was there recording data was Mary Ann Moss. Rick's official report incorporated data from Jen and Mary Ann.<br> <br>Lynn Stephens<br> <br><br> <br><div><div></div>
<hr>Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:02:30 -0600<br>From: <a href="mailto:diggerfieldmouse@gmail.com" target="_blank">diggerfieldmouse@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu" target="_blank">geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu</a><div class="im">
<br>Subject: Re: [Geysers] Challenges/demands for the geyser geek community.<br><br></div><div><div class="h5">There is no video of the September 1985 Excelsior eruption. This is the only one really counted since the rest were just boils. That said there were only myself, my mother, my father, Jen Whipple, and my aunt there for it. If you would like my father's pictures feel free to ask me or him to allow you to use them for use (with the proper credits naturally. There is no video, however. I am sorry for that. <br>
As for Hutchinson's reports - they are all second hand. He was not there for that eruption. His wife and my father, however, were the primary documentary people for that. <br><br>You know since you want it I figured you would want the primary sourcing. <br>
Andiy<br><br><div>On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Eric Hatfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:conanvandt@yahoo.com" target="_blank">conanvandt@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Challenges/demands:</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
1) Reestablishment of real benchmarks for distance to vents. This is possible. We don't need to put nails and markers in the boardwalk or pavement, which are doomed to disappear in days. We just need to know real distances between permanent features. Grand to Belgian. Fountain to Twig/Spasm. Giant to GIP/Oblong. Everywhere, the possibilities are endless and permanent. We have put forth a huge effort toward recording times, producing tomes of data. We get excited about Grand starts vs. Turban starts. But who knows whether if a given geyser is BIGGER this
year or not?? Nobody. It's all guess and blurry memory. What would we really get excited about? 2% more or less frequent, or BIGGER?</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
<br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">We are ignoring the subjectively most important data point. In the 90s, I tried to produce all these measurements with maps and rulers. I abandoned the project after considerable effort, when it became clear that the maps were totally inaccurate when measured at these distances. In the era of Google Earth, etc., can we produce a better method for real height measurement, and actually start measuring?? I open the
floor to anyone with an idea.</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
2) Youtube is now full of vids of our favorite rare geysers. I have still not seen a video of a Steamboat major. They exist. UPLOAD THEM.</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
<br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">3) I will pay money to anyone who
uploads the text of Hutchison's and the related reports of Excelsior in 1985 to the Internet. I think they are in the transactions. Will the transactions ever make an electronic appearance?</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
<br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">4) Videos of Excelsior in 1985 exist....</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
<br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">5) This list has still never reproduced the picture of Monarch Geyser I once saw in a book but have never seen again. I've seen one picture of Imperial in full eruption in it's early days--in the national library in ICELAND.... Et cetera.</div>
<div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
6) Ask questions of the list. Let's prod ourselves to produce stuff we don't see often. We currently know more about geysers than anyone has ever known, and this stuff will only disappear to history when we die.</div>
<div><br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">Could be fun!</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16.36px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent">
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