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<div> The main problem with the tree-mounted sensors (can't remember if they were detecting motion or heat) was that they couldn't distinguish between steam clouds and a water column. For geyser that don't put up much steam between eruptions (Daisy, Riverside) they worked OK. On the other hand, according to the Castle sensor, it sometimes erupted all day, and sometimes had dozens of very short eruptions per day. My memory is fuzzy, but I think even Old Faithful had some false positives on cold, still days.</div>
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<div> The idea of using a non-contact IR thermometer pointed at the runoff instead of a thermister seems like it would work, but then it's one more piece of hardware to fail in extreme Yellowstone conditions, and it sounds unduly complex and probably expensive compared to using a ready-made physical probe/logger system.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Ralph Taylor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ralpht@fuse.net">ralpht@fuse.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Deploying any instrument requires a research permit. As I recall, some of the old camera boxes worked some of the time, and some didn't work at all. It would be interesting to try for some geysers that are infrequent and do not lend themselves to the temperature loggers.</font></span></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hey that would be like the old camera boxes at Daisy/Spendid! If I remember correctly, they worked most of the time. What goes around comes around!</font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Lone Star might be an ideal candidate for a study using an infrared “game scouting” camera. Cabela’s, Bass Pro Shops and even WalMart sell them and several are reasonably priced. One or more could be easily concealed in the nearby trees Most have camouflaged cases making them difficult to spot. They do not emit any visible flash at night, and are silent, hence unobtrusive. Not sure if they would be triggered by the heat of an eruption instead of Bambi walking by, but IMO worth a try. And, of course, some human observation to verify the camera’s time stamped pictures would be needed. A few days of monitoring (or more if need be) could provide us with a more definitive answer. Label the project, “A Clockwork Infrared”. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Lew and I have both noticed that it did not "seem" to be clockwork geyser, but since we are recovering volunteers, we no longer time geysers. David Goldberg tried to interest us in a study of Lone Star because he also thought it wasn't clockwork, based on naturalist walks to the area. So your impression is probably just the same "feeling" that isn't documented. We figured some time ago that direct observation is the only way to correlate the minors, majors and changes in the duration. We don't think a probe would work without significant personal observation, if then. Hmmmm....why maybe a volunteer should spend some time in the area doing some documentation. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yesterday 2/18 I saw South Grotto Fountain at 0958 i.e. and post-marker-placement at 1022 i.e., and a visitor saw it still erupting at 1215 i.e. Grotto finally started near 1219 i.e. <br>
<br>This morning 2/19 Grotto was i.e. at 0933, Old Tardy and West Triplet at 0915 i.e., Pyramid at 0958 i.e., Oblong at 1003 i.e., and Daisy at 1008.<br> <br>A guide just saw Aurum at 1348.<br> <br>The question is about Lone Star. The plaque on the wooden platform where the notebook is says that Lone Star has had a 3 hour interval since 1872. Does that statement come from a reliable source? Geysers of Yellowstone doesn't go quite so far... We've also noticed last summer, and to the extent we know this winter, that Lone Star sometimes jumps around an hour or two one day to the next. Lots of minors perhaps? Anyway, thanks!<br>
<br>Carolyn Loren</span></p>
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