<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue id="role_body" bottomMargin=7 leftmargin=7 topmargin=7 rightMargin=7> <div class=Section1> As a group, GOSA can express scientific opinion.  We cannot engage in political activity or we lose our 501(c)(3) status.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> This does not stop any individual who subscribes to the Sput from expressing his or her opinion as vociferously as they choose. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I personally cannot imagine the Obama Administration from even beginning to consider anything that would affect <st1:place w:st="on">Yellowstone</st1:place>.  As much as they want to consider alternate forms of energy, the environmental movement, which is a huge supporter of this administration, would vehemently oppose any such idea of tapping <st1:place w:st="on">Yellowstone</st1:place>.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I will concede, however, that certain “environmental” groups have been known to sacrifice environmental sensibilities for political expediency.  But <st1:place w:st="on">Yellowstone</st1:place>’s geysers?  Them’s fightin’ words.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Paul Strasser  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: geysers-bounces@lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces@lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Freund, Udo Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:11 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Geyser Observation Reports</st1:PersonName> Subject: RE: [Geysers] Yellowstone Science article<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Here's Tami Blackford, the editor's, response to my mentioning the reversal of that image to her: "Yes, that image was transposed. Thanks for noticing!"  Sad that those who live in Mammoth don't notice these things beforehand.  Either they don't know better or don't look at details carefully, both are poor excuses when portraying science.  But we humans do make misteaks (sic).<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> As for the content of the article, I too found it greatly under-researched.  If I recall correctly it is a condensed version of a master's thesis, probably written some time before being reproduced in YS.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> But at least this type of info is getting published, hopefully leading to more media attention on the subject.  Which brings up a point.  Media are portraying geothermal as a green energy source with seemingly little adverse impacts.  The Obama administration is pushing this agenda and they are essentially the boss of those who might object, namely NPS and USGS.  I'm sure most of you are aware that using geothermal aquifers kills geyser activity.  That proven fact should be brought to the media's attention whenever the subject comes up.  In the <st1:country-region w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region> we've already lost geysers at Steamboat and Beowawe in <st1:State w:st="on">Nevada</st1:State> and Mammoth in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State>.  In my opinion, since few others will advocate for this cause, GOSA and its' associates should take up the task.  In other words, I believe that it's time for GOSA to become politically active rather than being a passive hobby club.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Thanks, Udo Freund Blessed are those that run around in circles for they shall be called big wheels! <o:p></o:p> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> </div> From: geysers-bounces@lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces@lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:54 PM To: geysers@lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Yellowstone Science article<o:p></o:p> <div> The Curmudgeon here, at least for item #1... this e-mail will also respond to some off-list stuff, on which I've been a bit delayed because of my step-daughter's surgery for a badly herniated disk. (She's much better today, thank you.)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 1. The first 2009 issue of "Yellowstone Science" contains a nice article by Alethea Steingisser and W. Andrew Marcus, titled "Human Impacts on Geyser Basins" (<a href="http://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/upload/ys17(1)p1.pdf">www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/upload/ys17(1)p1.pdf</a> and click on the top (part 1) link -- the article starts on page 7). Good enough (except for a couple of minor comments below)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> BUT... how about that title photograph. If I was the authors I'd be severely disappointed; if I was anybody with the NPS who has anything to do with Yellowstone Science, I'd be really (really) upset. If you haven't seen it, here's a scan of that image (small jpg, embedded and attached)<img border=0 width=480 height=263 id=MA1.1240689235 src="cid:image001.jpg@01C9C788.14C4A0C0" vspace=5 style='height:263px; width:480px' DATASIZE=36218 comp_state=speed><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I trust you see what is wrong. The scene might look better if you hold the picture to a mirror.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sorry, folks, but that's bad.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 2. In Table 1 of the article, several places are noted with asterisks ("No data available"). This is, I guess conservatism by the authors, but I must say that since there has been zero geothermal development (other than use of natural runoff) in Kamchatka's <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Valley</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Geysers</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, then the asterisk in the table's first column should be replaced with "No." Same for Umnak. Also, in this table, there most definitely was a negative effect of tourism on the geysers and springs at Steamboat Hot Springs (that, by the way, being the proper name for the place). There were what amount to tourism activities there at least as early as the 1860s plus there was the resort (I don't recall its date offhand), and there were some substantial alterations to the valley springs at Beowawe. I could make note of some other asterisks but won't.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 3. Here comes a point at which it is unfortunate that the annotated bibliography, that appeared in editions 1, 2, and 3 of my book had to be deleted from edition 4 (where the discussion about places around the world was significantly reduced, too) due to cost constraints. Anyhow, regarding the note on page 17 of the article, I wish it stated something a bit stronger -- not just records, but written records. I possess numerous reports, often including maps, that were never actually published -- I recall significant trials in obtaining several unpublished reports from the National Library in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Anyhow, if it is in my book, it can be documented.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 4. I know there are always delays from manuscript to print, but still -- the 4th Edition of my book did come out around August 1, 2008, several months prior to this publication, so I find it too bad that it did not find its way into the "Literature Cited." I think some slightly-different numbers might be found there.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> T. Scott Bryan<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:7.5pt;text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. <a href="http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027">Try the new Email Toolbar now</a>! <o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>