<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space;-khtml-line-break: after-white-space'> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We were called at 1155 and immediately got on the internet.  We saw nothing on the webcam because of a strong wind pushing the column towards Round Spring.  The people there weren’t surprised that nothing was visible.  It was not an especially tall eruption (for Giant).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>FYI the fact we couldn’t see it on the webcam isn’t too surprising.  On the 9/12/87 eruption I was near the <st1:place w:st="on">Inn</st1:place> and staring at an odd, very low steam cloud down basin.  I really didn’t verify 100% that it was Giant until I was well past Castle.  Not all Giant steam clouds, especially in summer mid-day with a breeze, are going to be high enough to peek over the ridge between geyser hill and Sawmill.  Darn.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Normal function, big crowd on hand.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>More details undoubtedly to follow<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Paul S.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> geysers-bounces@wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces@wwc.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chase Ellison<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:02 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">geyser observation reports</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Geysers] Webcam stuff</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Final post<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>So what? Is it really your opinion that students of history and/or science</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>(now or in the future) are so stupid as to not understand the limitations</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>of webcam based reports?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div style='min-height: 15px'> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>Let me also pose the following: Which is "better" data: a report from an</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>on-site observer claiming to have seen something, claiming to have an</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>accurate clock, and claiming to have correctly read and recorded that</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>information; or a webcam based report supported by the inclusion of a</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>>date/time stamped webcam frame</span></font>.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Let me remind you of what we are doing here. We are collecting scientific data to be used for use in future studies. . In fact I think that is what is posted for what G.O.S.A.'s purpose. Setting my watch to the atomic clock now seems rather arbitrary if we now allow things to be noted that could be up to 5 minutes off. Now if in the future someone is doing a study with some method none of us have thought of (yes people do think outside the box) that requires some sort of precise time and the data is incorrect in the logbook they are using (yes people do log things in logbooks incorrectly) then it could cause a problem. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Secondly, we do not know what if any effects it has made on studies but I would rather be closer to correct than not. I have a B.S. in Geology (emphasis in hydrogeology) and I also have a B.A. in History and started on a masters in hydrogeology. I can not tell you how many times logged discussions like this came up in my studies most of the time I threw out all of that data because it was not correct data. Also, in my geology studies, I found that many times when data like off a web cam was recorded it was incorrect. People who did have a structure in place to note that they were electronic times did not post them correctly. This in turn made my data incorrect which I can tell you annoyed me to no extent as I had sometimes waisted up to 16 hours worth of work. Now, as much as too little data can be annoying to much data can ALSO be a problem. When you know you have 5 data points on one item for the same thing you are investigating you need to take an educated guess on which is correct. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>And about the on-site observer vs. the web cam I would take the observer any day since I already know that the data from the web cam is incorrect. If you knew something was wrong why would you continue to do something? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>The guessing often causes more problems than not having a data point for that one instance. Anyway, I am gonna take the one hour drive down to <st1:place w:st="on">Old Faithful</st1:place> from Canyon and go watch geysers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Chase Ellison<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>