From bsouthworth at cableone.net Mon Jul 1 06:06:19 2013 From: bsouthworth at cableone.net (Barrett Southworth) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 07:06:19 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Unavailable Raw logger data Message-ID: <51D17ECB.6030005@cableone.net> Is there any place on the internet or anyone that has a record of all the information from the data loggers? From mauree0258 at aol.com Tue Jul 2 09:20:06 2013 From: mauree0258 at aol.com (Maureen) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:20:06 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Morning July 2 Message-ID: <19213AA1-F6A8-4580-8A2E-EA4BB73F9B26@aol.com> Morning geyser erupted at 0901 for 21 minutes. The pool was nearly empty. SteveO thought he saw a small boil down low and Donnie Grisso saw a large boil while Steve was getting his binocs! In less than a 1/2 minute, Morning was erupting! 21 minutes of blue, booming fun. Lots and lots and lots of gazers there. Many seeing their first one, it their first one since 91 or 93! This post is for you Scott! Maureen Edgerton From dmonteit at comcast.net Mon Jul 1 22:33:14 2013 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 22:33:14 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard Message-ID: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> I'm sure most of you have seen this postcard before. But I thought it was fun and timely. Now the question is, was the water really at that level or did the illustrator get carried away with the blue tint? Has anyone seen the original black and white image that the postcard was based upon? Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MorningFountain_sm.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 100057 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130701/8db8feab/attachment-0001.jpe> From caros at xmission.com Tue Jul 2 00:08:36 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 01:08:36 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Daily posts (help with Kaleidoscope area?) In-Reply-To: <1264d2.5ce84bd5.3f024e99@aol.com> References: <1264d2.5ce84bd5.3f024e99@aol.com> Message-ID: <51D27C74.5010703@xmission.com> Didn't you know everyone's off at the FB page making memes? Anyway, despite the fact that we were traveling sans Zayne, we got in insanely late last night (Sunday), slept insanely late, got our act together insanely late, etc. Checked the VC and thought we might still be in the Fountain-or-Morning window and headed down. Turned out had missed Fountain by not too much but parked our carcasses just to see what we could see. Took notes but realized it was likely we would need help identifying what we saw. We know the basic landmarks but wonder if we needed an earlier edition of the book---I thought earlier ones had a little more extensive sections on both K'scope and Sprinkler. We got lucky in that the landmarks I do know were being cooperative. Deep Blue was full with one small vent on the north edge playing as a pretty perpetual spouter, and what I believe is "Firehose" was active intermittently. Our good luck happened when, with binocs, I was trying to decide if what I was seeing was a sinter edge of some sort or an empty pool set at a good angle for the overlook. Mother Nature solved my problem, and ping! ping! ping! we got steam, we got water, and boy did we get Kaleidoscope! Huge and gorgeous, also a little longer than I'm used to (ie, if I blinked, I didn't miss it). It drained, emptied, and then about 20 minutes apart, we got the steam, the fill, and the eruption. The only odd one was the last, where the pool filled and stayed up but only had a small perpetual spouter. 1st weirdness question: as Kaleidoscope sat there with its pool doing no more than sloshing a bit, a perfectly round hole behind and to its left from our perspective, began to fill and overflow (I assumed this was the Drain. Immediately to the left of this feature and rear left of Kaleidoscope there was another fairly quiet pool that I normally would have though was 3-Vent. The round pool I thought might be Drain drained into Kaleidoscope and "other" as well as toward my next odd feature. No eruptive action by the time I left. 2nd weirdness question: If the thing I thought might have been 3-Vent with no activity, my other candidate was the next pool to the left, because it had a respectably sized slender jet of water (guess a meter or so in height) that was just intermittent enough that you couldn't quite call it a perpetual spouter, and it arose from just about dead center of the pool. Last weirdness in this group. I thought we were going to see the touted "twins" we've seen in photos. If we saw what was part of these two geysers, those shots were taken at a very different angle than I could manage. Broad guess is the activity we saw was intermittent because we had been enjoying everything else before we even saw there was something to see. At first, we thought we might be seeing a new or reactivated vent round the left edge of Deep Blue. My first impression, in fact, was that DB had overflowed every which way, and this initiated this rather nice cone-type eruption as a side vent of DB. But, no, the longer we watched the more clear it became that this new geyser was erupting from the right-hand side of its own pool, and that it very clearly *had* its own pool. It appeared to be a cone-type geyser, played for about a minute every 3-7. So (this is one thing late afternoon sun makes easy) instead of the triad of DB, Kaleidoscope (or Drain) and 3-Vent as the pools I always use to navigate, we had something like this (discounting the smaller players off to the left: Drain? Perfectly round, empty till K. was down to a sloshing pool Pool playing in series 0000 at far right of full crater 0000000 0000000 0000000000 00000000000000000000 Pool that Mainly still 00000 Deep Blue & Co behaved like pool where I look Kaleidoscope 3-Vent (?) for 3-Vent as noted above quiet while observed Area under abservation from 1730 till sunset and mosquitoes drove us off. Above, I was trying to separate the pools and their descriptors for clarify, but the pools really all but touched by the time "Drain" was overflowing in all directions. In Sprinkler, have three we need help with. We think we may have ID'd East and West Sprinkler as described by Bryan. What we were seeing was another two round pools touching as if they were a figure 8. The right/back one, angled slightly away from us, was the one that was active: a fountain, nice (10-12') height, active every 8-12 minutes. At one point, we though we had an early eruption and, using the binocs,saw that this was actually a cone geyser arising from the same sinter formation that formed the pools. We split on a third geyser arising from the sinter at the front edge of the eruptive pool---Paul mentioned it looked like Grotto Foutain but thought this was more of a fountain play; I felt it looked like a cone, although, yes, one like GF. For the sake of interest, when the mosquitoes finally did us in, Morning was quite full with convection over the vents and a general wave harmonic pattern to its surfacd. Fountain was steaming vigorously in all the right places (over the vent and where you knew the water had to travel to get out of the channel, but it was dark enough and steamy enough that we could not identify water. Going to be anxious to hear what happens overnight. And, please, any observations on what exactly we saw would be welcome. I've never seen that many pools lined up in a row at DB and would really like to nail what we saw in Sprinkler. I'm sure by now Scott is sorry he asked! Karen On 6/30/2013 9:16 PM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > ummmm.... am I the only one wondering what happened to daily posts. > Times on a list are one thing, while a bit of commentary tieing things > together is much more. > Scott Bryan > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130702/186f2eb2/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130702/186f2eb2/attachment-0001.jpg> From bsouthworth at cableone.net Tue Jul 2 00:54:13 2013 From: bsouthworth at cableone.net (Barrett Southworth) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 01:54:13 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Weekly Summary 06/24-06/30 In-Reply-To: <1372655952.61495.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1372655952.61495.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> I saw whatever pool it was erupting on 6/27, around 4 pm. On 6/30/2013 11:19 PM, Micah Kipple wrote: Round Spring Geyser and UNNG-RSG-2 beside it are both active, although > I have not sat down and studied them yet. I have also received reports > that there are periodic 10+ foot eruptions from a pool somewhere > around them. I might have to sit on them this week and verify those > reports, although it is possible that it could be a separate freak event. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130702/9388cbea/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 13:15:38 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Tuesday, July 2, 2013 Message-ID: Geyser Report Tuesday, July 2, 2013 Keep in mind that I am usually in the basin about 1/2 a day, especially when the thermometer hits the 80's by mid-day, so my reports will be skimpy, even though I am no longer devoting my time to granddaughters. Today was primarily at Great Fountain, with a dash to the Morning eruption--tall, sunlit, well-attended, and with favorable breezes. Folks there were surprised by the start of the eruption. Some had not seen water in the crater prior to the start, although I hear that others had. The 0700 geyser call included: Depression: 0556ie Castle: 0529 major Grand: predicted for 1145 pending download Riverside: predicted for 0730 Daisy: 0519 Grotto: 0522ie White geyser was ie at 0653 Great Fountain overflow at 0951, eruption at 1107 with an especially nice 1st series, including an essentially vertical (superb?)burst that pushed higher in at least 3 stages. White Dome was ie at 0733, 0753, 0826, 0901, 0940, 1010, 1034, 1135 Morning was 0901 d=21 The Artemisia trail was open this AM after several days of bear closure (the grizzly sow with 2 cubs that's been frequenting the UGB). The Mary Mountain trail has been open for a good while now. Lupine, larkspur, harebell & flax flood the roadside with blue in many places, interspersed with the white of yarrow and buckwheat. Lots of yellow DYCs (darn yellow composites) that I can't identify, along with cinquefoil, arnica, yellow mule's ears, balsamroot, sulfur buckwheat. The trail from Liberty pool to Lion has sticky & Richardson geraniums, a few die-hard shooting stars, a nice clump of chive not yet opened, bog orchids, sulfur paintbrush. The columbine near the Aurum end of the Solitary trail are getting started. The Pine pollen is so prolific that drifts are visible to the naked eye in the air currents. Coming back to West Yellowstone one afternoon I was concerned that I was headed into smoke from a fire, the pollen in the air was so dense over a wide area. Perhaps the gazillion young lodgepole have reached pollen-bearing age? A pair of trumpeter swans is frequenting the Firehole S of the "S" curves on the loop road. I last saw them Sunday behind Nez Perce picnic area, a bit further from the roadways now with the heavy 4th traffic. The west entrance meadows bison herds have given way to smaller groups of elk. I have a photo of one elk cow on the hillside near 7 mile bridge with 4 calves--must have been a play date! Barbara Lasseter From ncnle1954 at comcast.net Tue Jul 2 14:32:30 2013 From: ncnle1954 at comcast.net (Ncnle1954) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Geysers] Morning July 2 In-Reply-To: <19213AA1-F6A8-4580-8A2E-EA4BB73F9B26@aol.com> Message-ID: <2077132076.894509.1372800750926.JavaMail.root@sz0069a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> And us too Maureen -- Thanks ----Elwood & Nancy Monteith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" To: "E Mail List Geyser" Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:20:06 AM Subject: [Geysers] Morning July 2 Morning geyser erupted at 0901 for 21 minutes. The pool was nearly empty. SteveO thought he saw a small boil down low and Donnie Grisso saw a large boil while Steve was getting his binocs! In less than a 1/2 minute, Morning was erupting! 21 minutes of blue, booming fun. Lots and lots and lots of gazers there. Many seeing their first one, it their first one since 91 or 93! This post is for you Scott! Maureen Edgerton _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130702/8bb02d30/attachment.html> From Clark.Murray at CenturyLink.com Tue Jul 2 17:51:43 2013 From: Clark.Murray at CenturyLink.com (Murray, Clark) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 00:51:43 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard (Murray) In-Reply-To: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> References: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> Message-ID: <2AB6ADA49999C641AC0F89A0011BF779B28826@podcwmbxex506.ctl.intranet> Dave: I was unfortunate enough to see the pools even higher than the postcard, way back on May 5th 1991. I drove all night to see Morning during a short active phase. I got there around six a.m. but the last Morning eruption was around 4:00 am. We waited all day as the pools slowly rose until they formed a large single lake. Both geysers seemed to be in a tug-o-war till almost 5:00 pm that night, to my dismay, Fountain won the fight. But as a consolation prize it was a lovely Chocolate brown color, from all the debris washed into it during the Morning series. As I recall Jelly Geyser was active during the wait, the only time I have ever seen it erupt. Clark Murray To: Geyser Reports Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard I'm sure most of you have seen this postcard before. But I thought it was fun and timely. Now the question is, was the water really at that level or did the illustrator get carried away with the blue tint? Has anyone seen the original black and white image that the postcard was based upon? Dave From goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu Tue Jul 2 19:12:52 2013 From: goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu (Michael Goldberg) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 22:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Geyser in Round Spring Group In-Reply-To: <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> References: <1372655952.61495.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> Message-ID: This is purely speculative, but: Pear Geyser was active during one or two years that I spent a lot of time in the Giant cage 10 or 15 years ago. It would fit the description of a 10-ish foot geyser playing from a pool in the Round Spring Group. The OF logbook (as transcribed on the GOSA web site) shows reported activity in 2001, 2002 and 2004. The logbook record is almost certainly incomplete, and I bear some of the blame for that. Here's what I can remember of the eruptions. The years I saw Pear erupt, it was cyclic in its activity. Episodes of frequent eruptions (intervals <20 minutes) were separated by an undetermined number of hours of quiet. A pool nearby was full and overflowing during Pear's series of eruptions and often not full at other times. That's probably the feature listed as "Pear Spring" in T. Scott Bryan's book (3rd edition). When I say the nearby pool was full and overflowing, what I actually mean is that there was a larger steam cloud over the pool location and continuing along the presumed runoff channel. That's all you can see of it from the trail. Michael Goldberg Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Barrett Southworth wrote: > I saw whatever pool it was erupting on 6/27, around 4 pm. > > On 6/30/2013 11:19 PM, Micah Kipple wrote: > Round Spring Geyser and UNNG-RSG-2 beside it are both active, although >> I have not sat down and studied them yet. I have also received reports >> that there are periodic 10+ foot eruptions from a pool somewhere around >> them. I might have to sit on them this week and verify those reports, >> although it is possible that it could be a separate freak event. > From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Tue Jul 2 19:35:09 2013 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Weekly Summary 06/24-06/30 In-Reply-To: <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> References: <1372655952.61495.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> Message-ID: If memory serves, the nearest pool to the UNNGs is Round Spring itself. It _is_ a geyser, although extremely rarely active. Spiky bursts, based on the one picture I've seen of it. David Schwarz On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Barrett Southworth wrote: > ** > I saw whatever pool it was erupting on 6/27, around 4 pm. > > On 6/30/2013 11:19 PM, Micah Kipple wrote: > Round Spring Geyser and UNNG-RSG-2 beside it are both active, although > > I have not sat down and studied them yet. I have also received reports > that there are periodic 10+ foot eruptions from a pool somewhere around > them. I might have to sit on them this week and verify those reports, > although it is possible that it could be a separate freak event. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130702/65d4b8e4/attachment-0001.html> From ikscx at yahoo.com Tue Jul 2 20:35:58 2013 From: ikscx at yahoo.com (ikscx) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:35:58 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Morning eruption 9/25 video. . . . Message-ID: I got it on with my ipod. It is pretty good considering I was being casual with the ipod and just experiencing the eruption To those whom I promised a youtube posting, be patient, I will get it. It is a six hour upload on my internet service, and the first attempt failed. Greg Walljasper From caros at xmission.com Tue Jul 2 22:39:59 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 23:39:59 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard In-Reply-To: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> References: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> Message-ID: <51D3B92F.5050306@xmission.com> Curious what the hotel in the background might be? Might that help you ID the feature? From the way it's drawn or enhanced, I can just hear that ledge snapping off dumping two early visitors in the drink! Karen Webb On 7/1/2013 11:33 PM, David Monteith wrote: > I'm sure most of you have seen this postcard before. But I thought it > was fun and timely. > > Now the question is, was the water really at that level or did the > illustrator get carried away with the blue tint? > > Has anyone seen the original black and white image that the postcard was > based upon? > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130702/616fc2e6/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130702/616fc2e6/attachment-0001.jpg> From ralpht at fuse.net Wed Jul 3 08:33:17 2013 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard In-Reply-To: <51D3B92F.5050306@xmission.com> References: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> <51D3B92F.5050306@xmission.com> Message-ID: <001e01ce7802$a44e5db0$eceb1910$@fuse.net> The hotel is Fountain Hotel and the image is from the side of Fountain near the boardwalk on the side of Fountain toward the overlook. Ralph Taylor From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Webb Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:40 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] An old postcard Curious what the hotel in the background might be? Might that help you ID the feature? From the way it's drawn or enhanced, I can just hear that ledge snapping off dumping two early visitors in the drink! Karen Webb On 7/1/2013 11:33 PM, David Monteith wrote: I'm sure most of you have seen this postcard before. But I thought it was fun and timely. Now the question is, was the water really at that level or did the illustrator get carried away with the blue tint? Has anyone seen the original black and white image that the postcard was based upon? Dave _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130703/f4ddcee0/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130703/f4ddcee0/attachment-0001.jpg> From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Wed Jul 3 09:03:35 2013 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard (Murray) In-Reply-To: <2AB6ADA49999C641AC0F89A0011BF779B28826@podcwmbxex506.ctl.intranet> References: <1372743194.16434.12.camel@edmund> <2AB6ADA49999C641AC0F89A0011BF779B28826@podcwmbxex506.ctl.intranet> Message-ID: They did that on July 5, 1992 also. Fountain had an exceptionally long interval. The pools rose and were brimming by the time Fountain finally surged and erupted, and Jelly was active for a few hours leading up to it. Video of the Fountain start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UXSgG_7HCk Video of Jelly here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVneJUoDPa0 Jelly actually has a couple of vents, and that video is only of the smaller one. The large one was doing one or two big splashes at the beginning of eruptions, and then the small one would thump and splash for a few seconds. David Schwarz On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Murray, Clark wrote: > Dave: > > I was unfortunate enough to see the pools even higher than the > postcard, way back on May 5th 1991. I drove all night to see Morning during > a short active phase. I got there around six a.m. but the last Morning > eruption was around 4:00 am. We waited all day as the pools slowly rose > until they formed a large single lake. Both geysers seemed to be in a > tug-o-war till almost 5:00 pm that night, to my dismay, Fountain won the > fight. But as a consolation prize it was a lovely Chocolate brown color, > from all the debris washed into it during the Morning series. As I recall > Jelly Geyser was active during the wait, the only time I have ever seen it > erupt. > > Clark Murray > > To: Geyser Reports > Subject: [Geysers] An old postcard > > I'm sure most of you have seen this postcard before. But I thought it was > fun and timely. > > Now the question is, was the water really at that level or did the > illustrator get carried away with the blue tint? > > Has anyone seen the original black and white image that the postcard was > based upon? > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130703/10d6b4f8/attachment-0001.html> From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Wed Jul 3 09:34:42 2013 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:34:42 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser in Round Spring Group In-Reply-To: References: <1372655952.61495.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> Message-ID: Here are a couple of videos of Pear Geyser from 2001. Not great quality, but should be sufficient for identification. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rGdH7jCRYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpudfKnECGg David Schwarz This is purely speculative, but: Pear Geyser was active during one or two years that I spent a lot of time in the Giant cage 10 or 15 years ago. It would fit the description of a 10-ish foot geyser playing from a pool in the Round Spring Group. The OF logbook (as transcribed on the GOSA web site) shows reported activity in 2001, 2002 and 2004. The logbook record is almost certainly incomplete, and I bear some of the blame for that. Here's what I can remember of the eruptions. The years I saw Pear erupt, it was cyclic in its activity. Episodes of frequent eruptions (intervals <20 minutes) were separated by an undetermined number of hours of quiet. A pool nearby was full and overflowing during Pear's series of eruptions and often not full at other times. That's probably the feature listed as "Pear Spring" in T. Scott Bryan's book (3rd edition). When I say the nearby pool was full and overflowing, what I actually mean is that there was a larger steam cloud over the pool location and continuing along the presumed runoff channel. That's all you can see of it from the trail. Michael Goldberg Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Barrett Southworth wrote: > I saw whatever pool it was erupting on 6/27, around 4 pm. > > On 6/30/2013 11:19 PM, Micah Kipple wrote: > Round Spring Geyser and UNNG-RSG-2 beside it are both active, although >> >> I have not sat down and studied them yet. I have also received reports that there are periodic 10+ foot eruptions from a pool somewhere around them. I might have to sit on them this week and verify those reports, although it is possible that it could be a separate freak event. > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130703/6ecdf5fa/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 14:05:02 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:05:02 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Wednesday, July 3, 2013 Message-ID: Geyser Report Wednesday, July 3, 2013 I spent most of my day artemisia, so times are primarily FRS. For those that have wondered why the long closure of the Artemisia trail (when Daisy trail was open), I discovered a new section of trail had been created as I headed up from Biscuit. The bridge by Cauliflower has been removed. The trail is diverted N between Mercury and the hot breakout on the trail, avoiding both the breakout and the bridge site. It now swoops around, connecting with the Power Line Trail just a short distance from the old turn onto the bridge, passing thru a substantial stand of young trees. I hear the grizzly sow and her 2 cubs have been relocated, so the passage thru the trees was just an interesting byway across formerly forbidden terrain. The trail is a bit longer, but not by much. Castle: major at 0711ns Grand: 0443E, 1230 West Triplet: 0526ie, 1127 Rift: 1204 Oblong: 0615, 1121 Riverside: 0850 Daisy: 0538, 0820, 1059ie, 1315 Grotto: 0508ie, 1108ie Great Fountain: the call sounded like 0831 (but could have been 0821?) p=0 Tardy was called at 1224 Atomizer had a 45sec minor at 0931, 60sec minor @ 1104, major @ 1111 Tilt's baby: 0959 I left the basin about 1400--nothing heard re: Beehive. Overheard on geyser hill this past week: youngsters trying to convince their mother that the bison resting peacefully above Sulfide Spring was a real animal, not a scenery enhancement provided by the park service. [His tail twitch could be just the wind, or maybe a battery-driven feature?] Barbara Lasseter From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 3 15:31:45 2013 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:31:45 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar erupt Message-ID: Will Boekel just called to inform me that he saw clear evidence of a Fan and Mortar eruption sometime overnight July 2-3, 2013. That should create quite a geyser gazing dilemma for us this summer. It is interesting to note that this is the first time, in recent memory at least, that we have more than a few scattered observations of Fan and Mortar's minor activity before a reactivation. Will has reported a number of event cycles this summer and saw a progression in strength which included the gradual addition of Frying Pan activity, full Bottom Vent eruptions, and water in Upper Mortar. 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Scott Bryan In a message dated 7/3/2013 8:20:13 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu writes: The years I saw Pear erupt, it was cyclic in its activity. Episodes of frequent eruptions (intervals <20 minutes) were separated by an undetermined number of hours of quiet. A pool nearby was full and overflowing during Pear's series of eruptions and often not full at other times. That's probably the feature listed as "Pear Spring" in T. Scott Bryan's book (3rd edition). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130703/5c5bfc91/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A gazer reports seeing them yesterday AM near Morning Glory. There is also a griz with 1 cub in the area. Beehive's Indicator erupted from 1141 to 1239 (58 minutes) with no Beehive. There had been spits/splashes (under 1 min duration) out of the indicator at 0822 and again at 0843--deemed to be mid-cycle activity. Beehive was being observed until 2200 last night, then from 0200 continuously. It was presumed to have erupted between 2200 and 0200. Grand: 0506 2*Q FRS, 1224T1C [and last night at 2152 T2Q] West Triplet: 0952ie FRS, 1232 Lion: 0946initial, 1056, 1158minorFRS, 1217FRS, 1234minorFRS Little Cub ie @ 0724, 0749, 0836, 0948, 1021, 1052 Depression: 0328FRS, 0621 FRS, 0913, 1210ie FRS Aurum: 0503VR, 1102FRS Castle: 0806ns major Turban: 1108, 1128, 1147, 1205, 1223 Oblong: 0541 FRS Riverside: 1004 FRS Daisy: 0629 FRS, 0906 FRS, 1130 Fountain: 0652 d=36 Great Fountain: 0652 p=8 Penta: 0545ie steam phase eruption FRS Artemisia: 0850ie FRS White: 1051ie Weather is expected to cool off a bit over the next few days. Fireworks in W Yellowstone tonight, and a parade, cookout, and "chuck the (buffalo) chip" contest this afternoon! Barbara Lasseter From dmonteit at comcast.net Thu Jul 4 16:06:17 2013 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 16:06:17 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive 7/4/13 @ 1700 Message-ID: <1372979177.1381.11.camel@edmund> A beautiful eruption for the Fourth. 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Dave From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 16:06:05 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:06:05 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 5, 2013 Message-ID: Friday, July 5, 2013 Beehive: 0555 Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0537ie, 1149, 1338ie Grand: 0849 T2Q West Triplet: 0625, 0903 Turban: 0752, 0812, 0831, 0849 Lion: 0507ie, 0611, 0713 Little Cub ie @ 0639, 0918 Depression: 0859, 1207 Aurum: 1056 Castle: 0507ie (in water phase) major after overnight minor Oblong: 0620ns, 1204 Riverside: 1024 Daisy: 0614, 0855ns, 1142 Grotto: 0719ns Rocket Major: 0806 Fountain: 0733 d=36 Great Fountain: 0552ie Dome was ie for the 2nd day with eruptions every 20 minutes or so where I got closed intervals today Atomizer: 1305 minor (D=60 seconds), 1319 major d=10min Griz w/3 cubs stopped traffic along the loop road just N of Biscuit this AM, and the loop road continued to be solid string of creeping traffic N and S bound past Midway, where they must have been giving out $20 bills as I passed at 2P. Roadsides completely parked up and traffic barely moving. West YS got light rain late yesterday, but the park looked to have received a full dose of monsoon rain. Madison appeared to have been doused, and roads were wet all the way to OF. Looks like the flowers will last for a while, and perhaps the threat of fires put off just a bit longer. Barbara Lasseter From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Sun Jul 7 18:50:22 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 21:50:22 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Sunday, July 7, 2013 Message-ID: Sunday, July 7, 2013 I had visitors from FL with me today. Perhaps it was first timers good luck that brought the Fountain-Morning dual eruption this AM! Beehive: 0901 Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0419 FRS, 0457 FRS, 0842ns Grand: 0619 T1Q, 1538 G2*Q (trying to code a lo-o-ng 2nd burst--hope I got it right) W Triplet: 1554 Lion: 0335 FRS, 0447 FRS, 0550 FRS, 1215 initial?, 1329 FRS Little Cub ie @ 0631, 0740 Aurum: 0744, 1538 FRS Castle: 1401, pause, 1408 major Oblong: 0637ns FRS, 1546 ns Riverside: 0616ns FRS, 1232 FRS Daisy: 1227, 1450 Grotto: 1600ie Fountain: 0129 d=38 FRS, 1006 Morning: 1007 Flood was ie at 1055 and 1138 Tilt's Baby: reported as 1333--I missed the call Grand held us in the hot sun with only occasional breezes til the first full turban cycle outside the window. First-Timers good luck can only last so long. Coming N on the loop road there was a 45min bison delay--3 undersized animals on the "S" curves that ANYONE could have gotten by! One tour driver buzzed a couple of hundred yards toward the front of the line across the double yellow to cut in where a driver had left space as he crawled forward--wish I had taken a photo before the tour van cut back in. I was flabbergasted. The southbound traffic was still taking photos, I guess, because he made it safely. Another patch of stop-on-the-road drivers on the W entrance road looking at elk added to the frustration. Barbara Lasseter From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 6 17:11:02 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (T Scott Bryan) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:11:02 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 5, 2013 Message-ID: <3j0htuxms6en25p8tdad48f9.1373155862783@email.android.com> Any ideas as to the durations of those two (1149 and 1338ie on July 5) eruptions by Beehive's Indicator -- clearly false Indicators? Scott Bryan Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Barbara Lasseter wrote: >Friday, July 5, 2013 > >Beehive: 0555 >Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0537ie, 1149, 1338ie >Grand: 0849 T2Q >West Triplet: 0625, 0903 >Turban: 0752, 0812, 0831, 0849 >Lion: 0507ie, 0611, 0713 >Little Cub ie @ 0639, 0918 >Depression: 0859, 1207 >Aurum: 1056 >Castle: 0507ie (in water phase) major after overnight minor >Oblong: 0620ns, 1204 >Riverside: 1024 >Daisy: 0614, 0855ns, 1142 >Grotto: 0719ns >Rocket Major: 0806 >Fountain: 0733 d=36 >Great Fountain: 0552ie >Dome was ie for the 2nd day with eruptions every 20 minutes or so >where I got closed intervals today >Atomizer: 1305 minor (D=60 seconds), 1319 major d=10min > >Griz w/3 cubs stopped traffic along the loop road just N of Biscuit >this AM, and the loop road continued to be solid string of creeping >traffic N and S bound past Midway, where they must have been giving >out $20 bills as I passed at 2P. Roadsides completely parked up and >traffic barely moving. > >West YS got light rain late yesterday, but the park looked to have >received a full dose of monsoon rain. Madison appeared to have been >doused, and roads were wet all the way to OF. Looks like the flowers >will last for a while, and perhaps the threat of fires put off just a >bit longer. > >Barbara Lasseter >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From riozafiro at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 17:51:49 2013 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:51:49 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive's Indicator: Two long eruptions, no Beehive seen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90D906A1-5E53-448A-81F3-17F953E4218B@gmail.com> Beehive's Indicator had two lengthy eruptions on July 6, 2013, without Beehive being seen, and one additional reported eruption (length not listed on GeyserTimes). Here's how it played out: Beehive was reported by Will Boekel as ie at 0437 on 7.6.13, an FRS report. Indicator erupted at 1003, again an FRS report from Will. No duration reported. Indicator was spotted ie at 1308, and ended at 1356. Beehive had big splashes at 1353 and 1357. Indicator started again at 1744 and ended at 1847. Beehive had several big splashes throughout (to four feet or so) but no eruption. Thanks Will for posting the start times for each of these eruptions. FYI. Pat Snyder From ikscx at yahoo.com Sun Jul 7 06:09:35 2013 From: ikscx at yahoo.com (greg walljasper) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 07:09:35 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Morning eruption 6/25/2103 Message-ID: Success, I posted my first youtube video. Morning eruption 6/25/13 http://youtu.be/QXvATrYxxck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Oblong: possibly, maybe ie @ 0607, 1149 Riverside: 0729 Daisy: 1241 Grotto Fountain: 0724ie, 1218 Grotto Fountain: 1217 Rocket Major: 0739 Fountain: 0631 d=33 3 crater geyser: 0640ie Artemisia: [yesterday 7/7 @ 1032 d=about 26min] today: 1005 White: ie @ 1055 Breezy today and not as hot, but then the wait for the mid-day Grand was thankfully short. Griz w/cubs still passing thru the basin--below Lion, toward Solitary, across to cabins then back acoss the river and into the woods this AM. By chain lakes last evening. I haven't seen her yet, nor have I tried! Barbara Lasseter From sjstrasser at comcast.net Tue Jul 9 03:44:14 2013 From: sjstrasser at comcast.net (Suzanne Strasser) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 04:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Celebration of Life for Paul Strasser at Old Faithful Message-ID: Hello everyone, We have set the date for Paul's Celebration of Life get together for Sunday, July 21 at 4 PM in the Old Faithful Snowlodge Conference Room. It will be informal: please come as you are after hopefully a great morning and afternoon of geyser gazing. The main focus will be to share memories and stories of Paul with the group. Many of you sent me memories of Paul: please let me know if you would be willing to share a memory at the get together. We will provide light snacks (cheese, crackers, cookies): please bring your own beverage. Please RSVP to my email address if you can come. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a few weeks! Suzanne sjstrasser at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130709/f65af158/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 13:44:56 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Tuesday, July 9, 2013 Message-ID: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 I was off to an early start this AM, but that isn't going to do much for today's report. I made the usual inquiry as I passed LGB as to info to be relayed to OF, with no reply. Having lots of time, I swung through Firehole Lake Drive, finding as expected that Great Fountain had finished it's eruption before 0615. I stopped for White Dome at 0621, then proceeded to Pink Cone. There was a report of it's eruption at 0747 yesterday, 7/8/13. When I saw it hadn't yet erupted this AM, I settled in, expecting a relatively short wait. I AM stubborn. It erupted at 1138 d=111 minutes. Interval way too close to 28 hours! Fountain was called at 1007 D=32 Super frying pan called at 0816 Narcissus was ie at 0830 with a duration under 9 min. I did not see it again as of the time I left the area at about 1330. Pink: 0910, 1316 d=7 closed interval of 4hr 6 min Labial: 1144 I saw my first goldenrod of the season this week. Surely it is not Fall already! Barbara Lasseter From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 13:27:17 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Celebration of Life for Paul Strasser at Old Faithful In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I plan to attend. May I help with refreshments--what would you prefer I bring? Barbara Lasseter On 7/9/13, Suzanne Strasser wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have set the date for Paul's Celebration of Life get together for > Sunday, > July 21 at 4 PM in the Old Faithful Snowlodge Conference Room. It will be > informal: please come as you are after hopefully a great morning and > afternoon of geyser gazing. > > The main focus will be to share memories and stories of Paul with the > group. > Many of you sent me memories of Paul: please let me know if you would be > willing to share a memory at the get together. > > We will provide light snacks (cheese, crackers, cookies): please bring your > own beverage. > > Please RSVP to my email address if you can come. > > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a few weeks! > > Suzanne > sjstrasser at comcast.net > From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Tue Jul 9 18:33:47 2013 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 19:33:47 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 4-7: Miscellaneous Message-ID: I was able to make a quick trip to the park July 4-7, 2013. I spent a majority of my time in the Fountain area, but I do have a few other miscellaneous reports. Beehive?s shenanigans with long-duration false Indicators started the morning I arrived and continued until I left and beyond, so I did not see it. It looks like the false Indicator activity is like that seen during prior similar episodes: durations over 45 minutes (often about an hour) and intervals of 4-5 hours. Meanwhile, Beehive was still erupting, you just didn't know which Indicator it would erupt on, and there was even an 8h08m interval on July 5. I guess now Beehive has slowed down or maybe even stopped. It was reported to me that Terra Cotta C is active. I didn?t see it; perhaps Jeff Cross or someone else will have more information. Will Boekel reported that Fan and Mortar were having event cycles before the 2-day mark. I did not see an event cycle myself but based on Will?s reports they are continuing to occur. Based on prior reactivations, it may be at least a month or two before F&M have settled into a regular pattern. >From Midway Geyser Basin, I saw Flood in eruption several times on my many commutes to Fountain but did not see Till. In the Kaleidoscope Group, I saw Drain on July 4 and several eruptions of Kaleidoscope on July 5. I also saw ?1B? a few times. There are two mid-sized angled geysers erupting on the west side of the Sprinkler Group. There has been much discussion about what these features are, but without definitive answers. The larger of the two geysers was frequent, with some intervals of only a few minutes. The smaller geyser was seen occasionally. My observations of Fountain and Morning will be in another report. --Tara Crossfanandmortar at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130709/42ede634/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Tue Jul 9 20:21:21 2013 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:21:21 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 4-7: Fountain and Morning Message-ID: Now, for Fountain. My overnight drive to the park got me to Fountain on July 4 in time for the 0652 eruption of Fountain, duration 36 minutes. Morning?s Thief boiled up at 0658 but did not erupt, and there was no Twig. I returned that afternoon for another eruption at 1537, duration 33 minutes, interval 8h45m. Again Morning?s Thief boiled up at 1547 but did not erupt, and again there was no Twig. Due to the 33 minute duration and what by evening was extreme fatigue, I decided to skip the overnight Fountain. Phil Winkler reported that it occurred at 2332, duration 35 minutes, interval 7h55m. On July 5, Fountain erupted at 0733, duration 36 minutes, interval 8h01m. I did not see anything from Morning?s Thief or Twig. The next Fountain interval got just past the 9-hour mark with some pretty good boiling in Morning prior to Fountain?s eruption at 1635, duration 35 minutes. Morning?s Thief did not do anything, but Twig did erupt at 1700. We could see the clouds beginning to build up in the west, and the rain came around 1730 and persisted for a couple of hours. However, when I saw that it was clearing up, I decided to go out for Fountain. Fortunately I was running a little early, as Fountain erupted at 2323 a few minutes after my arrival, duration 34 minutes, interval only 6h48m. Nothing from Morning?s Thief or Twig. After 10 years of trusty service at many Beehives, F&Ms, and Giants, my Maglite has given up the ghost, so I enjoyed the eruption by starlight. The sky was just gorgeous. Apparently there was aurora later that night, but I headed straight in afterward. Fountain followed on July 6 with a more normal 8h06m interval. The eruption was at 0729, lasting just long enough to call the duration 37 minutes. Morning?s Thief had a weak eruption at 0741, and Twig started at 0756. Morning had a strong boil at the start of Fountain but was quickly drowned by runoff from Fountain. The borderline duration and Morning boiling gave some hope that maybe Morning was getting ready, and when the afternoon did not bring high winds, some of us were hopeful that maybe it could find a way to erupt. As the 9-hour mark neared, the boiling on the north side of Morning?s pool increased, until there was a lot of convection and periodic strong boiling. We began to refer to the size of the bubbles in terms of fruits. First key limes, then some good grapefruits, and maybe even some cantaloupes. Michael Lang commented that he wanted to see a watermelon and we all agreed. But then the wind picked up, and Fountain started a few minutes later, without much of an attempt from Morning. I don?t know if the wind was really a factor or not, though. Fountain 1636, duration 36 minutes, interval 9h07m. Nothing from Morning?s Thief or Twig. Once again we could see a storm brewing, and after returning to the Upper Geyser Basin high winds and rain drove most gazers inside. It looked like it was going to stay for a while, but again just before dark it appeared to be clearing. I prepared to head out to Fountain. It was still overcast and sprinkling a little bit when I got to Fountain, but this time I waited out another longish interval of 8h53m. Fountain 0129 (July 7). Without a good light it was impossible to know what Morning was doing. I decided to just enjoy Fountain, again by starlight, and not look at my watch?until Super Frying Pan started at 0207. Geyser gazer that I am, I finally checked the time. And Fountain quit, duration 38 minutes. No Morning?s Thief, no Twig. On the morning of July 7, I arrived at Fountain shortly before 0800. The Dauberts had already been there for about 2 hours before me and reported that Jet had been active when they arrived, but that it stopped erupting around the time of a Super Frying Pan eruption around 0700. Super Frying Pan erupted again at 0841ns and 1001, and during Fountain at 1137ie. When I arrived, ?Peanot,? the new pool at the base of the hill near Twig, was several inches below overflow, somewhat murky, and bubbling vigorously. As the morning progressed it gradually filled to near full. The entire morning it was very calm with only a slight wind. When I first arrived it was too steamy to see into Fountain. When I checked around 0830, I could barely see water. I didn?t check again, as it was being monitored by other gazers after that. Because of the lack of wind it was also hard to see Morning?s pool with any detail, but it looked like it was convecting and bubbling based on the steam. By 1000 the entire overlook was completely full of gazers, in addition to those waiting the boardwalk below. We also attracted some interested visitors. Based on activity in the past month, everyone was waiting for the 9-hour mark since the previous Fountain. So when Steve Eide called the Fountain rise at 1006, just 8h37m after Fountain, our hearts sank momentarily. But I?d been thinking in the back of my mind that it was so calm that maybe Morning would go early, so I kept my eyes glued on Morning?s pool. Just after Fountain started, Morning was having heavy convection and the water level rose. The water from Fountain still hadn?t made it across the channel, and Morning had a heavy boil?and then a huge dome, and the eruption was on. Others reported to me that just after Fountain started, there was water in Morning?s Thief, but that wasn?t enough to stop Morning this time. At first it looked like the best viewing might be from down by Clepsydra, so I saw several very impressive bursts from Morning from that location before moving over to the Twig side about 5 minutes into the eruption to see the amazing blue of Morning?s pool. Most bursts started with doming boils and massive waves, but there were some good bubbles, too. I estimated the height of the best bursts at around 150 feet. Fountain was very powerful as well, with many strong bursts throughout its entire duration of 109 minutes. Morning lasted 33 minutes. As the eruption progressed, Clepsydra?s steam vent got louder and louder and more powerful until it was shooting at an angle to 30-40 feet. I was not able to stay in the area to see how long this lasted after Fountain quit but it was quite impressive. The whole show was quite a spectacle to behold and it was really fun to see it with so many good friends. 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URL: <#/attachments/20130709/6a603623/attachment.html> From jeff.cross at utah.edu Tue Jul 9 22:31:05 2013 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 05:31:05 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser in Round Spring Group In-Reply-To: References: <1372655952.61495.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51D28725.4020407@cableone.net> , Message-ID: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE36933DCA@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> I believe that the feature in question is Round Spring. It's to the left of Round Spring Geyser (which erupts frequently and vigorously) and the small geyser just to the left of it (which splashed a foot or so every few minutes). It is definitely not Pear Spring or Pear Geyser, which are behind it when viewed from the asphalt pathway. Two eruptions to 10 feet were seen by me at 16:55 and 17:06 on June 29th. At other times, small splashes rose to a foot or two above the vent. Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] on behalf of David Schwarz [david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:34 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser in Round Spring Group Here are a couple of videos of Pear Geyser from 2001. Not great quality, but should be sufficient for identification. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rGdH7jCRYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpudfKnECGg David Schwarz This is purely speculative, but: Pear Geyser was active during one or two years that I spent a lot of time in the Giant cage 10 or 15 years ago. It would fit the description of a 10-ish foot geyser playing from a pool in the Round Spring Group. The OF logbook (as transcribed on the GOSA web site) shows reported activity in 2001, 2002 and 2004. The logbook record is almost certainly incomplete, and I bear some of the blame for that. Here's what I can remember of the eruptions. The years I saw Pear erupt, it was cyclic in its activity. Episodes of frequent eruptions (intervals <20 minutes) were separated by an undetermined number of hours of quiet. A pool nearby was full and overflowing during Pear's series of eruptions and often not full at other times. That's probably the feature listed as "Pear Spring" in T. Scott Bryan's book (3rd edition). When I say the nearby pool was full and overflowing, what I actually mean is that there was a larger steam cloud over the pool location and continuing along the presumed runoff channel. That's all you can see of it from the trail. Michael Goldberg Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Barrett Southworth wrote: > I saw whatever pool it was erupting on 6/27, around 4 pm. > > On 6/30/2013 11:19 PM, Micah Kipple wrote: > Round Spring Geyser and UNNG-RSG-2 beside it are both active, although >> >> I have not sat down and studied them yet. I have also received reports that there are periodic 10+ foot eruptions from a pool somewhere around them. I might have to sit on them this week and verify those reports, although it is possible that it could be a separate freak event. > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130710/1124d26e/attachment.html> From godsfireworks at yahoo.com Tue Jul 9 22:58:06 2013 From: godsfireworks at yahoo.com (Micah Kipple) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 22:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Rift 07/4 and 07/9 Message-ID: <1373435886.70444.YahooMailNeo@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Rift decided that Grand's had enough stage time.? On the Fourth of July around 1910 I wandered over from a post eruptive Grand and past a West Triplet that was well past a half hour into it's eruption. The Partners joined me and we waited for a Rift start for some more eruptive entertainment. Little did we ALL know...| Rift started normally at 1920, it's vents popping into existence one at a time from the fractures and piles of rubble that marked them, we settled in to watch it for a bit, then all hell began to break loose. At the point where the eruption would be at it's high point, the main vent continued to build until there were Penta-like spikes reaching past the top of the large boulder perched on the hillside above Rift, easily 8 feet or more. At the same time, the eruption began to hurl golf ball sized rocks like they were Styrofoam, sending them plopping back into the pool, it was like watching popcorn on a giant scale. The main vent continued to be huge for at least 30 minutes into the eruption, and rocks were seen in both main vent and the vent just to the left of it for another 20 minutes. finally around 80 or so minutes into the eruption, the force began to die down, although main vent was still jetting to 5 or so feet, and pebbles were being thrown by the vent to the left. ?At around 90 minutes the system began to shut down. Main vent switched into a hissing steam phase, with two twin steam jets jetting considerably out of small cracks in the rubble pile that it issues from. At the same time the observers of this event noticed that the vent to the left of main vent had both widened and deepened through the force of the eruption. I didn't stay for the duration of the steam phase as Will and I had to go meet with another Gazer at the Giant Cage.? I treated Rift as an isolated event until today, Tuesday July 9th, while waiting for Grand. West Triplet had started at 1037 and I had wandered up around 1100, seeing that West was now about 20 minutes into it's eruption and showed no signs of stopping, I sauntered over to Rift which was steaming considerably. Finally at 1108 main vent bubbled into existence. Getting a funny feeling I decided I would tape the start even though I had been told that Rift had been acting normally the past few days. Of course, as soon as I whipped the camera out main vent began spitting rocks like a small volcano. I flipped my camera off and radioed to the other gazers waiting for Grand that Rift was throwing rocks again. At the same time Main vent increased in vigor and was erupting to 4 feet by the time the gazers came past West Triplet. Just before the group came into view of Rift, main vent upended a large chunk of geyserite that was at least 7" by 5" (complete guesstimate, but it was big) and tossed it a foot or two in the air. The group watched Rift erupt for a while, taking lots of photos and videos, then moved on. By the time I left for work, Rift had calmed down and was erupting normally with the exception of the left vent next to Main, which was still peppering in small pebbles with it's splashing. According to Will there was no steam phase after.? I will continue to monitor Rift throughout the summer, I'm hoping this doesn't effect Grand, but this energy has to be coming from somewhere.? Enjoy the little Things Micah Kipple -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130709/743cc795/attachment.html> From jimscheir at aol.com Wed Jul 10 13:34:29 2013 From: jimscheir at aol.com (jimscheir at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Celebration of Life for Paul Strasser at Old Faithful In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D04BC402DB30EB-EE0-B57D2@webmail-m222.sysops.aol.com> Dear Suzanne, I will be there. Jim Scheirer -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Strasser To: Geysers Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 10:37 am Subject: [Geysers] Celebration of Life for Paul Strasser at Old Faithful Hello everyone, We have set the date for Paul's Celebration of Life get together for Sunday, July 21 at 4 PM in the Old Faithful Snowlodge Conference Room. It will be informal: please come as you are after hopefully a great morning and afternoon of geyser gazing. The main focus will be to share memories and stories of Paul with the group. Many of you sent me memories of Paul: please let me know if you would be willing to share a memory at the get together. We will provide light snacks (cheese, crackers, cookies): please bring your own beverage. Please RSVP to my email address if you can come. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a few weeks! 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Fan & Mortar yesterday 7/9 @ 2131 I won't be in the basin tomorrow. Barbara Lasseter From caros at xmission.com Wed Jul 10 22:38:49 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 23:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Wednesday, July 10, 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51DE44E9.7000309@xmission.com> Is there possibly a typo in your Atomizer info? It went onto geysertimes this way, so it looked like the major at 0916 was followed by a minor less than an hour later? Interesting Artemesia times now that more people are out watching. Hoping the trend toward twice a day continues! Karen Webb On 7/10/2013 4:32 PM, Barbara Lasseter wrote: > Wednesday, July 10, 2013 > > Beehive: 0534 > Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0513ie, 1236ie > Grand: 0453ie (0450E), 1300 T1C > West Triplet: 0501ie > Rift: 0505 > Lion: 1123 initial > Little Cub ie @ 0621, 1029 > Depression: 1009 FRS > Aurum: 0904ns FRS > Castle: 1223 major [yesterday 7/9 reported as 0436E, 1727 minor, 2352E] > Oblong: 0819 FRS > Riverside: 1011 FRS > Daisy: 1004 FRS, 1229ie > Grotto: 0753 FRS > Grotto Fountain: 0750 FRS > Rocket Major: 0945 FRS > Fountain: 0453 d=35 > Great Fountain: yesterday reported ie @ 1500 > Artemisia: yesterday 7/9 reported @ 0724, 1904; today: 0916 d=22 > Atomizer: 45 sec minor at 1003, followed by steady splashing, then major @ 0916 > Flood ie @ 0607 > Penta: 0541 d= approx 1hr > Spouter ie @ 1006 > Till ie @ 0609 > Tilt's Baby: 1147 FRS > White ie @ 1008 and 1026 > 3 crater spring ie @ 1326 > Mercury geyser's crater emptied while I was at Artemisia. > > Fan& Mortar yesterday 7/9 @ 2131 > > I won't be in the basin tomorrow. > > Barbara Lasseter > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It > will be informal: please come as you are after hopefully a great morning > and afternoon of geyser gazing. > > The main focus will be to share memories and stories of Paul with the > group. Many of you sent me memories of Paul: please let me know if you > would be willing to share a memory at the get together. > > We will provide light snacks (cheese, crackers, cookies): please bring > your own beverage. > > Please RSVP to my email address if you can come. > > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a few weeks! > > Suzanne > sjstrasser at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barbara Lasseter From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Fri Jul 12 19:24:27 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 22:24:27 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 12, 2013 Message-ID: Geyser Report, Friday, July 12, 2013 Beehive: 1238 Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0756ie d=>50min, 1214ie Grand: 0315E, 1255G2Q West Triplet: 1003 d=55 Rift: 1037 d=94 (no spectacular show this time) Lion: 0738 initial, 2nd I failed to note time, 0947 Little Cub ie @ 0706, 0822, 0900, 0938, 1314 Depression: 0733ie Aurum: 1048 FRS Castle: 0330E major Oblong: 0648ie FRS, 1204ie Daisy: 0519ns FRS, 0759 FRS, 1041, 1315ie FRS Grotto: 0847 Grotto Fountain: 0835 Flood: 0632ie White: 0653ie Artemisia: 0912 d=26 [was 0901 yesterday] Bulger major 1055 Sputnik: 1009ie off by 1018 Great Fountain: yesterday, 7/11 2212E Morning erupted yesterday, 7/11 at 0640 d=35 A deer grazing on the hillside behind Grand entertained the folks waiting for the eruption. A black bear was reported near Observation Point. Barbara Lasseter From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 13 08:11:34 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Morning duration query Message-ID: Regarding the eruption of Morning Geyser at 0640 on July 11, GeyserTimes.org lists the duration as 20 minutes, whereas Barbara's daily report posted on July 12 shows the duration as 35 minutes. Sumthins wrong. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130713/d41443d1/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 14:52:22 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 Message-ID: Saturday, July 13, 2013 First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! Today I started with a loop thru Firehole Lake Drive, then to OF for the 0700 geyser call, back toward Biscuit to watch Artemisia (which erupted before I reached the cloverleaf), so on to LGB hoping for Fountain, followed by another loop thru Firehole Lake Dr, then back to UGB for Grand. From there to Great Fountain, then stopping for Pink Cone before heading home-- Much more dashing about than usual for me. Beehive: 0454wc Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 1058ns d=<3 Grand: 0423E, 1051 T1Q no long wait today W Triplet: 1059 Lion: 0602 FRS, 0702 minor, 0716 another minor and end of series Depression: 0704 Aurum: 0705 Castle: 0523 minor Oblong: 0741ns Riverside: 0707 FRS Daisy: 0734ie FRS, 1013ns Grotto: 0509ie, 1013ie Fountain: [yesterday, 7/12 reported @ 2352 d=35]; 0824 d=35 Great Fountain: [yesterday, 7/12 reported 1119]; 1254 p=2 Pink Cone: [yesterday. 7/12 reported @ 1307]; 1422 Pink: 0615ie, 1313 d=approx 14 Artemisia: 0712ie White Dome: 1146, 1226, 1312 Penta Steam: ie @ 1027 Morning's Thief had exceptionally large bursts--tall, wide, and relatively long duration for pre and early-Fountain activity, more than a second or two, but not more than a minute apiece. Opinions varied--call it 45 to 50ft at one point. It was easy to see how that activity could be ID'd as Morning! I documented one at 0813 with a brief pause then resuming at 0814, another at 0825. I was hoping to capture the good stuff on film and do not have the other times. It was very nice stuff. Barbara Lasseter From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Sat Jul 13 17:58:28 2013 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Yellowstone imagery on Google Maps updated Message-ID: I noticed that Google Maps has updated its satellite views of Yellowstone with recent, high-resolution imagery. It appears to have been taken during the Sawmill boardwalk construction a month or two ago. Here's Black Sand Basin, as a starting point: https://maps.google.com/?ll=44.46262,-110.85454&spn=0.00175,0.002489&t=h&z=19 According to Google, the updates are not yet in Google Earth but will be within a few weeks. David Schwarz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130713/31656464/attachment.html> From megj at nwlink.com Sat Jul 13 21:33:16 2013 From: megj at nwlink.com (megj at nwlink.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> Barbara: First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these codes for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? Meg From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 15:15:45 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:15:45 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Sunday, July 14, 2013 Message-ID: Sunday, July 14, 2013 Beehive's Indicator geyser: 0548ie Grand: 0532 Lion: 0613ie, 0710 Depression: 0628 Oblong: 0716ie FRS Riverside: 0208ns Daisy: 0450, 732 FRS Fountain: 1030 d=37 (Morning tried hard to join in!) Great Fountain: 0914 Artemisia: 0120 Flood: 0754ie Super Frying Pan: 0824 d=8, 1036 In most cases, those times prior to 0700 were part of the morning geyser call. Most of my morning was spent at Fountain. Peanot (pool east and north of Twig) was empty when I arrived at the overlook about 0815. At 0958 it was filling with boiling, muddy water. It never quite got full, nor did it clear up as of the time I left. There was nothing but a slight trace of steam from Morning's Thief until after the start of Fountain. It first boiled, then produced a 10 foot burst at 1037. Morning boiled well at the start of Fountain, then dropped. Drain had a series, starting with a huge burst that drew gasps (estimated by others to be 70-80 feet) at 0855. Subsequent bursts were nothing like that. Clepsydra turned off about 1118 for several minutes. Jet had started prior to Fountain. Spasm was ie at 1027. Nothing from Twig. Barbara Lasseter From canbelto at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 13:04:15 2013 From: canbelto at gmail.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:04:15 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> References: <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> Message-ID: Seconded, and that code explanation would be a very nice thing to add to the geysertimes pages as well. I think I understand this one -- a vent delay that kept Grand from erupting for 8(!!) more Turban cycles, Grand started before Turban did, two bursts, and Turban quit at the end of the eruption (right?) -- but there are other symbols that show up occasionally in these whose meaning is completely inscrutable to me. -- Bill J. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:33 PM, wrote: > Barbara: > First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I > left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! > > > I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these > codes for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? > > Meg > ______________________________**_________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > https://lists.wallawalla.edu/**mailman/listinfo/geysers<> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130714/07b69b49/attachment.html> From janet at snowmoon.us Sun Jul 14 15:59:41 2013 From: janet at snowmoon.us (Janet White | SnowMoon, LLC) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:59:41 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> References: <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> Message-ID: <51E32D5D.3010003@snowmoon.us> Hi Meg, I think that's in a few places online, but I put it at: http://www.geyserwatch.com/geyser_notes/ Scroll down to the bottom. I've tried to include all the various codes and abbreviations possible (in large part because I was tired of having to dig it out more often than I would like). Sorry about no updates this week - had my hard drive I use while traveling hiccup and threaten to crash. Janet White Geyser Watch .com (and .net coming soon!) On 7/13/2013 10:33 PM, megj at nwlink.com wrote: > Barbara: > First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I > left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! > > > I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these > codes for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? > > Meg > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > From postcard73 at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 14:25:49 2013 From: postcard73 at gmail.com (scott grisso) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:25:49 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Morning duration query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The correct duration was 20 minutes. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:11 AM, wrote: > ** > Regarding the eruption of Morning Geyser at 0640 on July 11, > GeyserTimes.org lists the duration as 20 minutes, whereas Barbara's daily > report posted on July 12 shows the duration as 35 minutes. Sumthins wrong. > > Scott Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130714/931e8e3b/attachment.html> From thedulcimerlady at juno.com Sun Jul 14 16:56:14 2013 From: thedulcimerlady at juno.com (thedulcimerlady at juno.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 23:56:14 GMT Subject: [Geysers] Yellowstone imagery on Google Maps updated Message-ID: <20130714.175614.31974.4@webmail01.dca.untd.com> How much fun is that? Now my husband and I have an aerial shot of where we got married in 2007! I have to save this link. Lucille Reilly ____________________________________________________________ Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51e33ae23c2593ae2521ast01duc From cross at bmi.net Sun Jul 14 20:00:02 2013 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:00:02 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Geyser Code Message-ID: The welcome message for "geysers" contains a glossary of terms including the codes for Grand, which appears below. However, I notice that it needs to be updated - there is no V in the code. I'm not sure who has been commissioned as the official code specifier, but we need someone to clarify and revise the code statement below. I'll get it into the welcome message whenever it's posted. Once that is done, I'll send out the complete welcome message since it seems that some have forgotten that, once upon a time, you were warmly welcomed with a blessed message giving this code, many other terms and some important warnings. How could you forget about something that has been so carefully conceived for your benefit? Sigh. Carlton Cross Moderator ___________________________________________ Grand Geyser Legend Example - 1434 G3Q D4 - indicates the eruption started at 2:34 PM. Grand started the eruption before Turban. There were 3 burst in the eruption. At the end of the eruption, Vent and Turban geysers stopped erupting. And finally, the eruption occurred on the fourth Turban eruption after the delay. Grand brief version: for example, Grand 1434 (3B) for the number of bursts. D - delay (Turban interval is over 25 minutes. D0 (D zero) is the notation for the first Turban eruption whose interval is over 25 minutes from the previous. Subsequent Turban eruptions are noted as D1, D2, etc.) N - no Turban delay observed G - Grand started first (G3 - three bursts) or T - Turban started first (T2 - two bursts) Q - Turban and Vent quit at end of Grand's eruption C - Turban and Vent continued From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 15 06:07:15 2013 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:07:15 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: <51E32D5D.3010003@snowmoon.us> References: , <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg>, <51E32D5D.3010003@snowmoon.us> Message-ID: Janet-- The code on your page needs to be changed V does mean a Vent delay, but the number following the delay is the number of Turbans following the Vent delay before Grand erupts rather than the number of minutes following the delay. Lynn Stephens > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:59:41 -0600 > From: janet at snowmoon.us > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > CC: megj at nwlink.com > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 > > Hi Meg, > > I think that's in a few places online, but I put it at: > > http://www.geyserwatch.com/geyser_notes/ > > Scroll down to the bottom. I've tried to include all the various codes > and abbreviations possible (in large part because I was tired of having > to dig it out more often than I would like). Sorry about no updates this > week - had my hard drive I use while traveling hiccup and threaten to crash. > > Janet White > Geyser Watch .com (and .net coming soon!) > > > On 7/13/2013 10:33 PM, megj at nwlink.com wrote: > > Barbara: > > First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I > > left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! > > > > > > I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these > > codes for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? > > > > Meg > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130715/6d44c561/attachment-0001.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 15 06:14:03 2013 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> References: , <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg> Message-ID: Explanation of the codes used in the OFVEC logbook is included at the beginning of each file on the GOSA website. The files do need to be updated to include the V for the Grand code. I'll work on editing the files and reloading them. Lynn Stephens > From: megj at nwlink.com > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:33:16 -0700 > Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 > > Barbara: > First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I > left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! > > > I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these codes > for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? > > Meg > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130715/b9208022/attachment-0001.html> From janet at snowmoon.us Mon Jul 15 09:20:53 2013 From: janet at snowmoon.us (Janet White | SnowMoon, LLC) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:20:53 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: References: , <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg>, <51E32D5D.3010003@snowmoon.us> Message-ID: <51E42165.6040004@snowmoon.us> So this is wrong? V#/ -- When it is time for Turban or Turban starts, and Vent overflows but Grand does not erupt, there is a Vent Delay with the letter "V" and the number of Turban eruptions before Grand starts (such as V3/T2Q) On 7/15/2013 7:07 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > Janet-- > The code on your page needs to be changed V does mean a Vent delay, > but the number following the delay is the number of Turbans following > the Vent delay before Grand erupts rather than the number of minutes > following the delay. > Lynn Stephens > > > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:59:41 -0600 > > From: janet at snowmoon.us > > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > CC: megj at nwlink.com > > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, > July 13, 2013 > > > > Hi Meg, > > > > I think that's in a few places online, but I put it at: > > > > http://www.geyserwatch.com/geyser_notes/ > > > > Scroll down to the bottom. I've tried to include all the various codes > > and abbreviations possible (in large part because I was tired of having > > to dig it out more often than I would like). Sorry about no updates > this > > week - had my hard drive I use while traveling hiccup and threaten > to crash. > > > > Janet White > > Geyser Watch .com (and .net coming soon!) > > > > > > On 7/13/2013 10:33 PM, megj at nwlink.com wrote: > > > Barbara: > > > First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I > > > left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! > > > > > > > > > I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these > > > codes for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? > > > > > > Meg > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130715/610777af/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Mon Jul 15 14:01:17 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:01:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, July 13, 2013 In-Reply-To: References: , <55EA8BCDEEEF46C7B25E4117D3307733@Meg>, <51E32D5D.3010003@snowmoon.us> Message-ID: <51E4631D.7040706@xmission.com> So what was previously referred to as a Type 2 delay is now called a Vent delay? And the critical factor is Vent overflowing a bit, not that you see waves on Grand necessarily? Is this right? Karen Webb On 7/15/2013 7:07 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > Janet-- > The code on your page needs to be changed V does mean a Vent delay, > but the number following the delay is the number of Turbans following > the Vent delay before Grand erupts rather than the number of minutes > following the delay. > Lynn Stephens > > > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:59:41 -0600 > > From: janet at snowmoon.us > > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > CC: megj at nwlink.com > > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand's codes, was Geyser Report Saturday, > July 13, 2013 > > > > Hi Meg, > > > > I think that's in a few places online, but I put it at: > > > > http://www.geyserwatch.com/geyser_notes/ > > > > Scroll down to the bottom. I've tried to include all the various codes > > and abbreviations possible (in large part because I was tired of having > > to dig it out more often than I would like). Sorry about no updates > this > > week - had my hard drive I use while traveling hiccup and threaten > to crash. > > > > Janet White > > Geyser Watch .com (and .net coming soon!) > > > > > > On 7/13/2013 10:33 PM, megj at nwlink.com wrote: > > > Barbara: > > > First another correction: Friday July 12 Grand at 1255 was V8G2Q--I > > > left off the V8. How could I have forgotten that! > > > > > > > > > I would give my eyeteeth for some sort of chart that translates these > > > codes for Grand's eruptions into English. Is there such a thing? > > > > > > Meg > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barbara Lasseter From sjstrasser at comcast.net Tue Jul 16 00:29:57 2013 From: sjstrasser at comcast.net (Suzanne Strasser) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:29:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Celebration of Life for Paul Strasser at Old Faithful Message-ID: <311708106A114F7EB19304ED3474360B@Morning> Hello everyone, Here is an updated agenda for Paul's Celebration of Life on Sunday: 4:00 to 4:45: meet and mingle: there will be photos and a slide show to view starting at 4:45: share memories and stories of Paul closing: Tara Cross will play a couple of songs on her violin If you would like to share a memory of Paul but would prefer not to read it in front of the group, I would be glad to read it. Also a reminder that snacks will be provided but please bring your own beverage. Hope to see some of you on Sunday! Suzanne _____ From: Suzanne Strasser [mailto:sjstrasser at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 4:44 AM To: 'Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu' Subject: Celebration of Life for Paul Strasser at Old Faithful Hello everyone, We have set the date for Paul's Celebration of Life get together for Sunday, July 21 at 4 PM in the Old Faithful Snowlodge Conference Room. It will be informal: please come as you are after hopefully a great morning and afternoon of geyser gazing. The main focus will be to share memories and stories of Paul with the group. Many of you sent me memories of Paul: please let me know if you would be willing to share a memory at the get together. We will provide light snacks (cheese, crackers, cookies): please bring your own beverage. Please RSVP to my email address if you can come. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a few weeks! Suzanne sjstrasser at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barbara Lasseter From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Jul 17 05:57:13 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Morning Fountain chart Message-ID: No doubt others have done this sort of thing, but attached is a chart showing the activity of Morning Geyser and the occasional duals with Fountain Geyser. I think it was Tara who noted something of a cyclic nature to this action, and that does indeed seem to be so. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130717/87800455/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Barbara Lasseter From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Thu Jul 18 12:48:26 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:48:26 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Thursday, July 18, 2013 Message-ID: Thursday, July 18, 2013 Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0845ie Little Cub ie @ 0643 Depression: 0714 Grand: 1216 W Triplet: 1224 Rocket Major: 1137 Saw 2 Fan & Mortar event cycles and spent my morning there. It's a little like watching for Beehive. Seeing Beehive's Indicator start doesn't give one much confidence of seeing Beehive erupt. The same seems to apply to Fan & Mortar event cycles. We are seeing long Bottom Vent eruptions with lots of water pushed into the river, and not nearly enough water in Fan's vents. Barbara Lasseter From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 11:56:56 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:56:56 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 Message-ID: Friday, July 19, 2013 Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0620ie, ending by 0655 Depression: 0708ie Castle: 0601 major 3 crater spring: 0727ie Mercury: 0755 Artemisia: 0802ie ended at 0817 Bead ie at 0845, 0905, 0917, 0950, 1018 Box ie at 0904, 0933, 0954, 1025 Narcissus ie at 0853 (fairly near start, as seen from road) ended at approx 0901 Pink Cone: 1017 Barbara Lasseter From tddandngd at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 15:24:43 2013 From: tddandngd at gmail.com (Genean Dunn) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Celebration of Life for Paul Message-ID: Hi All, We plan to include photos and stories about Paul and about the Celebration of Life in the August Sput. All submissions are welcome, since we are unable to attend. Our thoughts will be with Suzanne and family during the Celebration! Thanks Tom and Genean Dunn From caros at xmission.com Fri Jul 19 15:57:04 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:57:04 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51E9C440.6090202@xmission.com> Did Box Spring look more vigorous to you than it has in the past? We were trying to catch Labial and a Pink Cone start and caught a number of Box Springs instead. Also, do you find one good spot on the road by Pink Cone to observe Narcissus? We came in from the back on our way out of the Park and got lucky: it was already overflowing lightly and treated us to a very nice major with not too much of a wait. This was on a day when we'd heard Steve Eide announce as we left breakfast in the Inn (our little departure day treat) "Fountain at 1027..." (yay!) followed by "Morning at 1028..." (boo, hiss.) We wouldn't have realistically made the other Morning that happened while we were staying in the Park. Will try again next month (I think we've found our spot for watching the Perseids!) Karen On 7/19/2013 12:56 PM, Barbara Lasseter wrote: > Friday, July 19, 2013 > > Beehive's Indicator Geyser: 0620ie, ending by 0655 > Depression: 0708ie > Castle: 0601 major > 3 crater spring: 0727ie > Mercury: 0755 > Artemisia: 0802ie ended at 0817 > Bead ie at 0845, 0905, 0917, 0950, 1018 > Box ie at 0904, 0933, 0954, 1025 > Narcissus ie at 0853 (fairly near start, as seen from road) ended at approx 0901 > Pink Cone: 1017 > > Barbara Lasseter > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130719/cea4bb41/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynn Date: Fri=2C 19 Jul 2013 16:57:04 -0600 From: caros at xmission.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 From caros at xmission.com Fri Jul 19 23:43:25 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:43:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 In-Reply-To: <1374296518.25896.2.camel@edmund> References: <1374296518.25896.2.camel@edmund> Message-ID: <51EA318D.3020505@xmission.com> Sorry, 1006 and 1007 and July 7 (self-taught typist, never learned the number keys very well) for the Fountain/Morning dual mentioned below. Karen Webb On 7/19/2013 11:01 PM, David Monteith wrote: > A message from Lynn Stephens > > > From: Lynn Stephens lstephens2006 at hotmail.com > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:56:03 -0600 > > I watched Box Spring several days in June and a few in July and did not > think that it seemed more vigorous than it had in the past. > > There is a spot east of Pink Cone on the road where the water from > Narcissus is visible. > > I thought I had been keeping track of the concerted eruptions of > Fountain and Morning, but don't have a dual where Fountain started at > 1027 and Morning at 1028. 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Karen Webb On 7/19/2013 11:01 PM, David Monteith wrote: A message from Lynn Stephens From: Lynn Stephens lstephens2006 at hotmail.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:56:03 -0600 I watched Box Spring several days in June and a few in July and did not think that it seemed more vigorous than it had in the past. There is a spot east of Pink Cone on the road where the water from Narcissus is visible. I thought I had been keeping track of the concerted eruptions of Fountain and Morning, but don't have a dual where Fountain started at 1027 and Morning at 1028. What day was this please? Lynn Date: Fri=2C 19 Jul 2013 16:57:04 -0600 From: caros at xmission.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser Report Friday, July 19, 2013 _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130720/23fb0670/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It quotes the longer study: The Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, June 19 edition. http://www.livescience.com/38299-yellowstone-lone-star-geyser.html Pat Snyder From cross at bmi.net Mon Jul 22 12:11:07 2013 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Study In-Reply-To: <91A30566-2447-4371-89B4-A9363778B826@gmail.com> References: <1374296518.25896.2.camel@edmund> <51EA318D.3020505@xmission.com> <91A30566-2447-4371-89B4-A9363778B826@gmail.com> Message-ID: This article perpetuates a major fallacy about geysers. Eruptions are not caused by a buildup of pressure; they're caused by increasing temperature and the formation of steam bubbles that reduce the pressure. There are two major concepts that explain geyser eruptions: 1) The static pressure is determined by the depth below the water surface, and 2) The boiling point increases as the pressure increases. Most of us have dived into a swimming pool and felt the pressure of the water as we go deeper. We also know that a pressure cooker will cook faster because the water is hotter when it boils under pressure. So, in quiet water, the pressure will be the static pressure determined by the depth, and, once the geyser reaches overflow, that pressure will remain constant at all depths. Now, consider a column of water. The deeper water can be hotter without boiling because the pressure at depth is higher. As a glob of water rises because of the overflow of the geyser, the pressure on that glob will decrease. Once the water column has heated sufficiently, the water reaching a particular depth will be hotter than the boiling point for that depth. When it boils and forms steam bubbles, the bubbles will expand and rise which then reduces the pressure caused by the weight of the overlying water. The pressure drop allows more water to boil and the process becomes self-sustaining. Constrictions are often involved in geyser plumbing. What happens in a constriction is that the pressure drops as the fluid moves faster. Think about a hose that has a leak. The faster the water flows through the hose, the less the water will squirt out of the leak. In a constriction, the smaller the passage is, the faster the water will flow and the lower the pressure will be. Again, once the steam bubbles start to form, the weight of the overlying water will decrease and the pressure will drop. Thus, at a constriction, there are two reasons why boiling will occur. It's likely that most geysers have significant constrictions, but a constriction is not necessary for an eruption to occur. Carlton Cross At 01:45 PM 7/21/2013, you wrote: >Here is short synopsis of a longer article about a study done >recently at Lone Star Geyser. It quotes the longer study: The >Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, June 19 edition. > >http://www.livescience.com/38299-yellowstone-lone-star-geyser.html > >Pat Snyder >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 13:51:45 2013 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Study In-Reply-To: <20130722191302.000C349CE0@lists.wallawalla.edu> References: <1374296518.25896.2.camel@edmund> <51EA318D.3020505@xmission.com> <91A30566-2447-4371-89B4-A9363778B826@gmail.com> <20130722191302.000C349CE0@lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: <1374526305.81715.YahooMailNeo@web120902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Carlton - this is great, and it would be more accurate to say that potential energy in the form of heat is increased up to the point where the water temperature exceeds boiling point at the pressure found at depth...after which boiling can occur, pressure can drop, and etc. ? Bruce Jensen, California, USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "[Yellowstone] is a fabulous country, the only fabulous country; it is the one place where miracles not only happen, but where they happen all the time." ~ Thomas Wolfe ________________________________ From: Carlton Cross To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Lone Star Study This article perpetuates a major fallacy about geysers.? Eruptions are not caused by a buildup of pressure; they're caused by increasing temperature and the formation of steam bubbles that reduce the pressure. There are two major concepts that explain geyser eruptions:? 1) The static pressure is determined by the depth below the water surface, and 2) The boiling point increases as the pressure increases.? Most of us have dived into a swimming pool and felt the pressure of the water as we go deeper.? We also know that a pressure cooker will cook faster because the water is hotter when it boils under pressure. So, in quiet water, the pressure will be the static pressure determined by the depth, and, once the geyser reaches overflow, that pressure will remain constant at all depths.? Now, consider a column of water.? The deeper water can be hotter without boiling because the pressure at depth is higher.? As a glob of water rises because of the overflow of the geyser, the pressure on that glob will decrease.? Once the water column has heated sufficiently, the water reaching a particular depth will be hotter than the boiling point for that depth.? When it boils and forms steam bubbles, the bubbles will expand and rise which then reduces the pressure caused by the weight of the overlying water.? The pressure drop allows more water to boil and the process becomes self-sustaining. Constrictions are often involved in geyser plumbing.? What happens in a constriction is that the pressure drops as the fluid moves faster.? Think about a hose that has a leak.? The faster the water flows through the hose, the less the water will squirt out of the leak.? In a constriction, the smaller the passage is, the faster the water will flow and the lower the pressure will be.? Again, once the steam bubbles start to form, the weight of the overlying water will decrease and the pressure will drop.? Thus, at a constriction, there are two reasons why boiling will occur.? It's likely that most geysers have significant constrictions, but a constriction is not necessary for an eruption to occur. Carlton Cross At 01:45 PM 7/21/2013, you wrote: >Here is short synopsis of a longer article about a study done >recently at Lone Star Geyser. It quotes the longer study: The >Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, June 19 edition. > >http://www.livescience.com/38299-yellowstone-lone-star-geyser.html > >Pat Snyder >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130722/89d09014/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jul 22 15:49:22 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 18:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Study Message-ID: Thank you, Carlton. I'd been thinking of a response, but you did great. (Seems like in the past few years, a simple study of geyser action is an "easy" way to get published!) Scott Bryan In a message dated 7/22/2013 2:26:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cross at bmi.net writes: This article perpetuates a major fallacy about geysers. Eruptions are not caused by a buildup of pressure; they're caused by increasing temperature and the formation of steam bubbles that reduce the pressure. There are two major concepts that explain geyser eruptions: 1) The static pressure is determined by the depth below the water surface, and 2) The boiling point increases as the pressure increases. Most of us have dived into a swimming pool and felt the pressure of the water as we go deeper. We also know that a pressure cooker will cook faster because the water is hotter when it boils under pressure. So, in quiet water, the pressure will be the static pressure determined by the depth, and, once the geyser reaches overflow, that pressure will remain constant at all depths. Now, consider a column of water. The deeper water can be hotter without boiling because the pressure at depth is higher. As a glob of water rises because of the overflow of the geyser, the pressure on that glob will decrease. Once the water column has heated sufficiently, the water reaching a particular depth will be hotter than the boiling point for that depth. When it boils and forms steam bubbles, the bubbles will expand and rise which then reduces the pressure caused by the weight of the overlying water. The pressure drop allows more water to boil and the process becomes self-sustaining. Constrictions are often involved in geyser plumbing. What happens in a constriction is that the pressure drops as the fluid moves faster. Think about a hose that has a leak. The faster the water flows through the hose, the less the water will squirt out of the leak. In a constriction, the smaller the passage is, the faster the water will flow and the lower the pressure will be. Again, once the steam bubbles start to form, the weight of the overlying water will decrease and the pressure will drop. Thus, at a constriction, there are two reasons why boiling will occur. It's likely that most geysers have significant constrictions, but a constriction is not necessary for an eruption to occur. Carlton Cross At 01:45 PM 7/21/2013, you wrote: >Here is short synopsis of a longer article about a study done >recently at Lone Star Geyser. It quotes the longer study: The >Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, June 19 edition. > >http://www.livescience.com/38299-yellowstone-lone-star-geyser.html > >Pat Snyder >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130722/2aedf2ee/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 17:16:07 2013 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:16:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Study In-Reply-To: <20130722191302.000C349CE0@lists.wallawalla.edu> References: <1374296518.25896.2.camel@edmund> <51EA318D.3020505@xmission.com> <91A30566-2447-4371-89B4-A9363778B826@gmail.com> <20130722191302.000C349CE0@lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: <5F7B406D-A1D0-441D-B524-99561FA122AA@gmail.com> Thank you for clarifying this, Carlton. Pat Snyder On Jul 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Carlton Cross wrote: > This article perpetuates a major fallacy about geysers. Eruptions are not caused by a buildup of pressure; they're caused by increasing temperature and the formation of steam bubbles that reduce the pressure. > > There are two major concepts that explain geyser eruptions: 1) The static pressure is determined by the depth below the water surface, and 2) The boiling point increases as the pressure increases. Most of us have dived into a swimming pool and felt the pressure of the water as we go deeper. We also know that a pressure cooker will cook faster because the water is hotter when it boils under pressure. > > So, in quiet water, the pressure will be the static pressure determined by the depth, and, once the geyser reaches overflow, that pressure will remain constant at all depths. Now, consider a column of water. The deeper water can be hotter without boiling because the pressure at depth is higher. As a glob of water rises because of the overflow of the geyser, the pressure on that glob will decrease. Once the water column has heated sufficiently, the water reaching a particular depth will be hotter than the boiling point for that depth. When it boils and forms steam bubbles, the bubbles will expand and rise which then reduces the pressure caused by the weight of the overlying water. The pressure drop allows more water to boil and the process becomes self-sustaining. > > Constrictions are often involved in geyser plumbing. What happens in a constriction is that the pressure drops as the fluid moves faster. Think about a hose that has a leak. The faster the water flows through the hose, the less the water will squirt out of the leak. In a constriction, the smaller the passage is, the faster the water will flow and the lower the pressure will be. Again, once the steam bubbles start to form, the weight of the overlying water will decrease and the pressure will drop. Thus, at a constriction, there are two reasons why boiling will occur. It's likely that most geysers have significant constrictions, but a constriction is not necessary for an eruption to occur. > > Carlton Cross > > > At 01:45 PM 7/21/2013, you wrote: >> Here is short synopsis of a longer article about a study done recently at Lone Star Geyser. It quotes the longer study: The Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, June 19 edition. >> >> http://www.livescience.com/38299-yellowstone-lone-star-geyser.html >> >> Pat Snyder >> _______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu Mon Jul 22 19:29:17 2013 From: goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu (Michael Goldberg) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Geyser activity gleaned from the internet Message-ID: There are a few geyser events that I heard of in one place or another but they haven't (as far as I know) been mentioned here. In no particular order: East Sentinel was observed in eruption on June 27. North Goggles Geyser had a series of minor eruptions yesterday, July 21. This is the first known activity since October 9 last year. At Norris, Echinus was observed in eruption on May 5. Based on the USGS temperature monitor, it had a second eruption that day, then a "false start" episode, then returned to dormancy. Constant Geyser is active but not very frequent. The temperature record suggests that it is erupting on average once per day. Michael Goldberg Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu From dmonteit at comcast.net Mon Jul 22 22:35:11 2013 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive, North Goggles, Morning and Fountain Message-ID: <1374557711.7299.12.camel@edmund> I didn't see this posted: 7/21/13 -- North Goggles had a series of minor eruptions: 0835, 1015, 1211, 1321, 1403 and 1447 7/22/13 -- Beehive Beehive's Indicator 0521wc Beehive 0538wc Beehive's Indicator 1125ie wc, 1502ie wc, 1809ie wc, 2109ie wc I did not check the durations of today's false indicators but most have been just short of an hour. 7/22/13 -- Morning and Fountain Fountain 0910 Morning 0911, 1801 Hopefully, we'll get more information from those on the ground. Dave From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 00:17:19 2013 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 01:17:19 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fountain, Morning, and Morning again 7/22/13 Message-ID: Trying to catch most Fountain eruptions does not leave much time for writing reports, but I will do my best to describe today's events. To begin, we had a Fountain eruption that started at 2354 on 7/21/13. Twig had already erupted at 2237 and there was no Morning's Thief. The eruption was beautiful in the moonlight and we were delighted when it lasted a full 38 minutes. So, obviously, the overlook was the place to be this morning, 7/22/13. It was too steamy to see what was happening in Morning's pool with any detail, but as we crept past 8 hours, then 8 1/2 hours, I started to see the glint of larger bubbles in the sun when there was a little bit of wind to move the steam. The water level in the pool was very high. By the 9-hour mark since Fountain there was a huge throng of gazers waiting on the overlook. At 0910, Fountain started, but of course we were hoping for Morning also, and at 0911 it domed up, met with cheers from the assembled multitude. Morning's eruption lasted 31 minutes, during which there were several large bursts and one exceptional burst that was probably at least 150 feet if not higher. All the while, Fountain was having large bursts as well, reaching at least 70 feet. As we have seen so far this year, Fountain continued to erupt after Morning ended for a total duration of 102 minutes. Lynn Stephens and several others stayed in the Lower Basin to get Great Fountain (which erupted at 1326) while most returned to the Upper Basin and got Grand at 1152 (T1C). After some food and a nap I was ready to head back to Fountain/Morning to see what would happen next. Looking at what's happened since May this year, there has been at least one case of the next event after a Fountain/Morning dual being a solo Morning eruption, so I wanted to be sure to be there, plus I wanted to see how the system recovered after the dual. When I first arrived at about 1600 there was no water to be seen in Morning or Fountain. I chatted with Lynn S. for a while, then around 1730 decided to check the water levels again. When I went up to the overlook I could see water rising in Morning with heavy boiling. I'm really not sure what I was thinking, other than 9 hours would be very early for another Morning eruption and the water level was still low. But I had been noticing that be boiling was very strong, and Steve R. had been commenting that the water level was about where it had been when Morning erupted on July 2 (though that was not a post-dual scenario). In one of my not so bright gazing decisions, I thought needed to take care of some things before the "real" window opened, so I was just past Celestine Pool when I heard Lynn exclaim into the radio, "TARA MORNING!!!!" Apparently, the boiling had gotten even stronger after I left and the pool rose quickly and the eruption commenced at 1801. I sprinted back up the hill past Silex and could easily see bursts of water as soon as I got to the mud pots. By the time I got to Morning I was totally winded. Some lucky visitor has video of Morning with me hacking up a lung in the background. I did manage to tell her how special it was to be seeing Morning in between fits of coughing. Other than a few dozen lucky visitors, it was just Steve R., Lynn S., and myself. It lasted only 10 minutes, but we got some nice blue bubbles and several tall bursts. Afterwards I rushed back to the Upper Basin so that those planning to come out for what we had thought would be the window would not have to waste their time driving to Fountain. I got some dinner and then headed back to see what would happen next. When I arrived, again there was no water in Fountain or Morning. Eventually water appeared in Morning, but I did not see water in Fountain before dark. However, the first event to occur was a very large eruption of Morning's Thief at 2202. Super Frying Pan was ie at 2206. Jet finally had its initial at 2332 and erupted every 7 to 8 minutes as it has been most of the time when I have been watching it this season. Morning's Thief followed with eruptions at 2249 and 2259. At 2309, it boiled up again, but Fountain beat it out by a few seconds. Morning's Thief erupted during Fountain at 2309, 2311, and 2315 with some impressive bursts. Twig never erupted. Fountain's eruption was strong and again very beautiful in the moonlight, but unfortunately it stopped not too long after the 36-minute mark (we have had Fountain on a stopwatch recently to avoid confusion with rounding up or down to the nearest minute, since the duration has been very important to predicting a possible Morning). And, even though there is a low probability of Morning, I still plan to be there for the next event, so that's all for now. Go Morning! --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Snyder On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:35 PM, David Monteith wrote: > I didn't see this posted: > > 7/21/13 -- North Goggles had a series of minor eruptions: > 0835, 1015, 1211, 1321, 1403 and 1447 > > 7/22/13 -- Beehive > Beehive's Indicator 0521wc > Beehive 0538wc > Beehive's Indicator 1125ie wc, 1502ie wc, 1809ie wc, 2109ie wc > > I did not check the durations of today's false indicators but most have > been just short of an hour. > > 7/22/13 -- Morning and Fountain > Fountain 0910 > Morning 0911, 1801 > > Hopefully, we'll get more information from those on the ground. > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From caros at xmission.com Tue Jul 23 01:16:09 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 02:16:09 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser activity gleaned from the internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51EE3BC9.2020203@xmission.com> Isn't East Sentinel the one Clark Murray found a second eruptive vent in some time ago (went toward the river, I think). Any idea if it was this one? Karen Webb And you can blame us for the whammy on Beehive. It started losing ground the week we were there. On 7/22/2013 8:29 PM, Michael Goldberg wrote: > There are a few geyser events that I heard of in one place or another > but they haven't (as far as I know) been mentioned here. > In no particular order: > > East Sentinel was observed in eruption on June 27. > > North Goggles Geyser had a series of minor eruptions yesterday, July 21. > This is the first known activity since October 9 last year. > > At Norris, Echinus was observed in eruption on May 5. Based on the > USGS temperature monitor, it had a second eruption that day, then a > "false start" episode, then returned to dormancy. Constant Geyser is > active but not very frequent. The temperature record suggests that it > is erupting on average once per day. > > Michael Goldberg > Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130723/fa04cf95/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130723/fa04cf95/attachment-0001.jpg> From brdavis at iusb.edu Tue Jul 23 12:52:41 2013 From: brdavis at iusb.edu (Davis, Brian L.) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:52:41 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Study Message-ID: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410FBC916@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> Carlton Cross wrote: > This article perpetuates a major fallacy about geysers. Eruptions > are not caused by a buildup of pressure; they're caused by increasing > temperature and the formation of steam bubbles that reduce the pressure. Agreed. I've not read the original article as yet (not at school, so harder to get ahold of). Has anyone here? I suspect (I hope!) the original authors didn't make that mistake. > ...What happens in a constriction is that the pressure drops as the > fluid moves faster. I'd not thought of a Bernoulli effect in such geyser constrictions before. You're correct it should happen, but it wouldn't seem to be a factor in initiating such an eruption (prior to the eruption velocities would be very very low). During an eruption the pressure drop due to such flow might be rather small as well... (1/2) rho v^2, for rho = 2-20 [kg/m^3] and v = 20 [m/s], the pressure drop would be around 400-4000 [Pa], or under 0.04 [Atm], equivalent to a change in water level of less than 0.5 [m]. That's not huge (although in some cases could be significant I suppose). And I doubt in-conduit velocities reach too much higher than around 20 [m/s] due to the observed heights of play (24 [m/s] would correspond to a maximum plume height of around 30 [m]). But it's interesting... the dynamic effects are hard to get a handle on, especially with the conduit not being filled with anything like a nice normal fluid during an eruption (very compressible, but with a large effective density relative to normal gases). Scott Bryan then wrote: > Seems like in the past few years, a simple study of geyser action is an > "easy" way to get published! As I'm one of the Johnny-come-latelys that are riding on the coattails of the rest of you... I'll strongly agree with Scott here while publicly acknowledging I'm one of those. And hope to publish more. I just don't trust my models anymore. I'm starting to eye structures I can build 20 m tall conduits to to get some proper sense of scale... the university is going to love me (or fire me, we'll see which ;) ). -- Brian Davis From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 21:03:39 2013 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:03:39 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 Message-ID: Quick report: Fountain 0913 d=34 Then, Fountain 1846 d=63.5 minutes Morning 1846 d=20m25s With the shorter Fountain duration we were not expecting to get Morning but the boiling in the pool got stronger and stronger as the eruption neared, and Morning started about 20 seconds after Fountain. So now we are not "safe" after a duration of less than 37 minutes. More details later hopefully. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ott From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:04 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 Quick report: Fountain 0913 d=34 Then, Fountain 1846 d=63.5 minutes Morning 1846 d=20m25s With the shorter Fountain duration we were not expecting to get Morning but the boiling in the pool got stronger and stronger as the eruption neared, and Morning started about 20 seconds after Fountain. So now we are not "safe" after a duration of less than 37 minutes. More details later hopefully. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I first got there, everything was silent and dry save for some moisture in the sinter gravel around the cone, but after a couple minutes I started hearing some boiling. The next half hour of boiling building to splashing reminded me of how Uncertain builds up to an eruption, except on a much faster time scale. The first eruption at 12:35 lasted about half a minute, and it only took 7 minutes for me to hear first boiling, by which time everything was dry again thanks to the glaring sun. The next half hour progressed much like the previous wait had, except when the splashing got to the point where the last eruption had commenced, Vixen just sat there giving vent-filling splashes every now and then for about half an hour until a big enough one triggered the second eruption at 13:39 for a duration of 2m35s and an interval of 1h04m. Afterwards I went to look at Veteran for a little while (more than 7 minutes), and when I came back to Vixen, there was still no audible boiling, but a couple shallow pools remained around the pool. Demetri Stoumbos On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Goldberg wrote: > There are a few geyser events that I heard of in one place or another but > they haven't (as far as I know) been mentioned here. > In no particular order: > > East Sentinel was observed in eruption on June 27. > > North Goggles Geyser had a series of minor eruptions yesterday, July 21. > This is the first known activity since October 9 last year. > > At Norris, Echinus was observed in eruption on May 5. Based on the USGS > temperature monitor, it had a second eruption that day, then a "false > start" episode, then returned to dormancy. Constant Geyser is active but > not very frequent. The temperature record suggests that it is erupting on > average once per day. > > Michael Goldberg > Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu > ______________________________**_________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > https://lists.wallawalla.edu/**mailman/listinfo/geysers<> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130724/cedbf5cd/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 18:11:56 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:11:56 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report July 22-23-24 2013 Message-ID: I have attached a geyser report document, thinking I can build the report off line and free up a bit of telephone time. If it doesn't work, I'll try to continue the original reports. Fair warning--I have family visiting starting next week thru most of August. 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I'm going to guess that what's happening is that the wash of hot water from an eruption is brief enough (as compared to the sampling frequency of the recorder) that on average only one eruption per day actually gets caught. Michael Goldberg Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu On Wed, 24 Jul 2013, Demetri Stoumbos wrote: > I sat on Whirligig for a few hours while at Norris on July 19th (with no > success) but saw many Constants. I noticed the pool pushing every 16-17 > minutes, and with each push it made an attempt to erupt, sometimes > succeeding, sometimes failing. About 1/2 to 2/3 of the pushes resulted > in an eruption, and each push I saw following a failed push ended up in > an eruption, that is to say no two successive pushes were both failures. > In addition, if Constant had two successful pushes in a row, the > next/third push would fail. > > On that note, I also sat on Vixen for a couple hours. When I first got > there, everything was silent and dry save for some moisture in the > sinter gravel around the cone, but after a couple minutes I started > hearing some boiling. The next half hour of boiling building to > splashing reminded me of how Uncertain builds up to an eruption, except > on a much faster time scale. The first eruption at 12:35 lasted about > half a minute, and it only took 7 minutes for me to hear first boiling, > by which time everything was dry again thanks to the glaring sun. The > next half hour progressed much like the previous wait had, except when > the splashing got to the point where the last eruption had commenced, > Vixen just sat there giving vent-filling splashes every now and then for > about half an hour until a big enough one triggered the second eruption > at 13:39 for a duration of 2m35s and an interval of 1h04m. Afterwards I > went to look at Veteran for a little while (more than 7 minutes), and > when I came back to Vixen, there was still no audible boiling, but a > couple shallow pools remained around the pool. > > Demetri Stoumbos > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Goldberg wrote: > >> There are a few geyser events that I heard of in one place or another but >> they haven't (as far as I know) been mentioned here. >> In no particular order: >> >> East Sentinel was observed in eruption on June 27. >> >> North Goggles Geyser had a series of minor eruptions yesterday, July 21. >> This is the first known activity since October 9 last year. >> >> At Norris, Echinus was observed in eruption on May 5. Based on the USGS >> temperature monitor, it had a second eruption that day, then a "false >> start" episode, then returned to dormancy. Constant Geyser is active but >> not very frequent. The temperature record suggests that it is erupting on >> average once per day. >> >> Michael Goldberg >> Michael.Goldberg at uc.edu >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> https://lists.wallawalla.edu/**mailman/listinfo/geysers<> >> > From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 24 22:32:50 2013 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:32:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: The known Fountain/Morning duals are listed below (time listed is the start of Morning): June 5 @ 1744 June 13 @ 1632 ("Trifecta") June 24 @ 1446 July 7 @ 1007 July 16 @ 1721 July 22 @ 0911 July 23 @ 1846 As you can see, the duals have not been "fairly regular" so there is no way to guess when the next dual will be. If you are serious about seeing Morning, your best bet is to be in the area for each window of opportunity. So far, *most* eruptions have occurred between 8.5 and 10.5 hours after the previous Fountain eruption, and the longer duration of Fountain, the better the chance there is for Morning. Whether it will be a dual or not is entirely up to the geysers. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com From: OTTS at byui.edu To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:52:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 Recently, Scott Bryan attached a graph of the Fountain Morning dual occurrences. From the graph, the interval between the duals is fairly regular. (I?m sure there is a way to express ?fairly regular? with a more formal expression to demonstrate the uncertainty.) With this on July 23rd, is it possible to guess when the next dual would be? I?d like to try and observe one. S. Ott From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:04 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 Quick report: Fountain 0913 d=34 Then, Fountain 1846 d=63.5 minutes Morning 1846 d=20m25s With the shorter Fountain duration we were not expecting to get Morning but the boiling in the pool got stronger and stronger as the eruption neared, and Morning started about 20 seconds after Fountain. So now we are not "safe" after a duration of less than 37 minutes. More details later hopefully. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <#/attachments/20130725/5fe8a9cd/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Thu Jul 25 12:35:42 2013 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:35:42 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations with the duals. Looks like I will be spending even more time at Fountain Stephen Eide On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Tara Cross wrote: > The known Fountain/Morning duals are listed below (time listed is the > start of Morning): > > June 5 @ 1744 > June 13 @ 1632 ("Trifecta") > June 24 @ 1446 > July 7 @ 1007 > July 16 @ 1721 > July 22 @ 0911 > July 23 @ 1846 > > As you can see, the duals have not been "fairly regular" so there is no > way to guess when the next dual will be. If you are serious about seeing > Morning, your best bet is to be in the area for each window of > opportunity. So far, *most* eruptions have occurred between 8.5 and 10.5 > hours after the previous Fountain eruption, and the longer duration of > Fountain, the better the chance there is for Morning. Whether it will be a > dual or not is entirely up to the geysers. > > --Tara Cross > fanandmortar at hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > From: OTTS at byui.edu > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:52:13 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 > > > Recently, Scott Bryan attached a graph of the Fountain Morning dual > occurrences. From the graph, the interval between the duals is fairly > regular. (I?m sure there is a way to express ?fairly regular? with a more > formal expression to demonstrate the uncertainty.) > > > > With this on July 23rd, is it possible to guess when the next dual would > be? I?d like to try and observe one. > > > > S. Ott > > > > *From:* geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto: > geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Tara Cross > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:04 PM > *To:* geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > *Subject:* [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 > > > > Quick report: > > Fountain 0913 d=34 > > Then, > > Fountain 1846 d=63.5 minutes > Morning 1846 d=20m25s > > With the shorter Fountain duration we were not expecting to get Morning > but the boiling in the pool got stronger and stronger as the eruption > neared, and Morning started about 20 seconds after Fountain. > > So now we are not "safe" after a duration of less than 37 minutes. > > More details later hopefully. > > --Tara Cross > fanandmortar at hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barbara Lasseter From godsfireworks at yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 17:02:54 2013 From: godsfireworks at yahoo.com (Micah Kipple) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Phrasing on East Sentinel post Message-ID: <1374796974.35933.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ??? To make a slight correction on my last post. In my knowledge the 0328 East Sentinel major was the first seen from the start in the parks history. I have come to this conclusion based on the fact that several people I have talked to have told me that most if not all majors were seen via steam cloud and then thenran towards to observe the middle/end of the eruption, and at least one suggested that no one's seen it from the start. By no means did I mean to set that statement in stone. I apologize if that is the way it sounded. If anyone knows of any observations of a major seen from the start, I would love to hear about it and be educated. Again I apologize for the poor wording. ? Micah Kipple -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130725/e60c2ccd/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Thu Jul 25 19:32:03 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:32:03 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51F1DFA3.9040500@xmission.com> Hoping (probably irrationally) that it will settle into this pattern of a dual every five days with a shorter follow-up Morning (remember follow up eruptions with solo Mornings earlier in the season happened near the 5-hour mark). It's comforting that a follow-up event to Fountain still seems to happen in the 7-10 hour window (seems also to be true with duals). Maybe our waiting this visit will finally pay off (with our luck, we'll have to choose between this and F&M...and Giant Mastiff... and Giantess... and Fantail... and, of course, Steamboat and Union). In any case, we get two nights of Perseids this year, and I've scoped out the spot we'll be watching from! Karen Webb On 7/25/2013 1:35 PM, Stephen Eide wrote: > Congratulations with the duals. Looks like I will be spending even > more time at Fountain > Stephen Eide > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Tara Cross > wrote: > > The known Fountain/Morning duals are listed below (time listed is > the start of Morning): > > June 5 @ 1744 > June 13 @ 1632 ("Trifecta") > June 24 @ 1446 > July 7 @ 1007 > July 16 @ 1721 > July 22 @ 0911 > July 23 @ 1846 > > As you can see, the duals have not been "fairly regular" so there > is no way to guess when the next dual will be. If you are serious > about seeing Morning, your best bet is to be in the area for each > window of opportunity. So far, *most* eruptions have occurred > between 8.5 and 10.5 hours after the previous Fountain eruption, > and the longer duration of Fountain, the better the chance there > is for Morning. Whether it will be a dual or not is entirely up > to the geysers. > > --Tara Cross > fanandmortar at hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: OTTS at byui.edu > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:52:13 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 > > > Recently, Scott Bryan attached a graph of the Fountain Morning > dual occurrences. From the graph, the interval between the duals > is fairly regular. (I'm sure there is a way to express "fairly > regular" with a more formal expression to demonstrate the > uncertainty.) > > With this on July 23^rd , is it possible to guess when the next > dual would be? I'd like to try and observe one. > > S. Ott > > *From:*geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Tara > Cross > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:04 PM > *To:* geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > *Subject:* [Geysers] Another dual 7/23/13 > > Quick report: > > Fountain 0913 d=34 > > Then, > > Fountain 1846 d=63.5 minutes > Morning 1846 d=20m25s > > With the shorter Fountain duration we were not expecting to get > Morning but the boiling in the pool got stronger and stronger as > the eruption neared, and Morning started about 20 seconds after > Fountain. > > So now we are not "safe" after a duration of less than 37 minutes. > > More details later hopefully. > > --Tara Cross > fanandmortar at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing > list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I chatted with Will for a bit so I think this type of minor is the default one that is normally seen and does not lead to major eruptions. I?ll call it a Push minor the two majors that I witnessed both had a different type of minor leading up to them. Push minor ? A push minor attempts to push when the water height reaches maximum and boils heavily at water low height. Typically the vent facing towards the river has a highly variable strength eruption that is occurring separately from the pushes. The vent facing towards the river also typically never stops at the end of a minor duration. Not to mention occasional surges in strength for the minor eruption. Alternate minor ? An alternate minor has very different behavior. Typically at the end of the near 20 minutes minor duration all activity stops from the vent facing towards the river, some water may actually drain into the vent. The stop in activity doesn?t last long, just long enough for the water level in the pool to drop to its low height. With the first part of its eruption, the alternate minor pushes water out during the high boiling period, this last for 3 to 5 minutes and is what started the two majors I witnessed eruptions. The other 15 to 17 minutes the alternate minor is sending out water in two different ways at a mostly constant strength. The alternate minor alternates between these two ways during that time. The first way it is erupt is water goes mostly vertical, there is splashing on the side with the geyserite, but there is no major splashing/turbulence on its own with the water side. The other is a low height bust across the length of the pool. Successive alternates have stronger vertical and sideways eruptions, height for the nearly pure vertical increases steadily. At what I?d say is about 7.5 feet to 10 feet above mid-water level is when the chance for the next vent stop push to start a major occurs. Observations of the three majors I?ve seen this year. On June 27th while waiting for Riverside and visiting Fan&Mortar for a bit I heard water splashing in the river. I did not go down to East Sentinel but went up to the half-way point of the bridge, East Sentinel is visible from there and I noticed the water jets extending across the river. I made notes on the location of the geyser so I could figure out its name later. Not knowing how rare it was I went back to Riverside to wait for its Eruption. July 25th, I had my reasons for staying up all night to wander Upper Geyser Basin. The 3:28 Eruption, before its sequence of minors started I was wandering in between East Sentinel, Fan & Mortar and Riverside. Upon witnessing the start of a minor at 1:12 am I decided I?d just stay and watch East Sentinel. I got extremely lucky since it led to a major eruption, at the time I did not know that it would. There were seven Alternate minor eruptions that led to a major. After one hour gurgling water noises underground started, being herd from the dry vent on the geyser. This led to the 3:28 major eruption. I can?t be certain but I think both vents joined into the play, but I am certain of the river one. The duration in total was 12 minutes, it had a brief pause in the middle for about 30 seconds. During this twelve minutes, the vents stopped and the water drained well down below normal minor eruption levels, it then immediately resumed the major finishing out the duration. At the end of the duration there was another water drain like the first, that was simply refilled nearly immediately and indicated an end to eruptive activity for the moment at 3:40. The 9:43 eruption, at seven A.M. intending to wander over to Artemisia I stopped by East Sentinel and witnessed the Alternate minor again as well as the water gurgling start. I decided to stay around and wait. If the Gurgling sound only starts after about an hour then I arrived at the end of the third minor leading to the brief major. It had eight more minors before this led to another major eruption by East Sentinel, the duration though was only 20 to 50 seconds, I don?t have an exact time. It was just a little longer than however long it took me to call in the time over FRS, have someone ask could you repeat that, and me repeating it. Post short duration behavior, immediately upon the end of the short duration major, alternate minors resumed, with this next sequence actually being stronger than the one that started the major. This went on till around 11:20, at which point East Sentinel did something weird, the duration of alternate minors reduced to 2 minutes. The push phase lasts about 30 seconds and the eruptive phase about 1 minute 30 seconds. After about 30 minutes of this, the last one actually become a normal 20 minute duration Push minor. After 2 push minors, East Sentinel once again went back to Alternate minors, with 10 more short duration alternate minors, that led to a permanent status of Push minors. The push minors continued on, at 2:30 pm they increased noticeably in energy beyond the normal increase in strength, with the sound of heavy deep boiling being heard. I stayed until 6 pm, being too hungry to hang out at E Sentinel after 11 hours straight. There had been two more increases in energy like the first during that time. E Sentinel?s push minors pushes were also getting very big. But nothing led to an eruption and they were already bigger than the two alternate minor pushes that led to majors. I am not certain if there was a major by E Sentinel later that day, but I would suspect that Push minors do not lead to major eruptions. There aren?t enough observations to be certain about anything but things I think are likely/possible. 1. There are indications of a major eruption, 2-5 hours before it occurs, in a way similar to Giant Hot periods, and Fan & Mortar event cycles, these are alternate minors. 2. Push minors never lead to a major, or don?t do it without a massive period of minors preceding them. 3. Alternate minors fail to lead to a major eruption if they turn into push minors. 4. As long as alternates don?t morph into push minors, then a series of major eruptions is possible. Hopefully the rest of this season, several people will keep a watch out for alternate minors and stick around for a few hours and see what they do. From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 27 08:14:33 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 11:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain data Message-ID: By no means is this a complaint, but I certainly am curious about what Great Fountain is doing. Per geysertimes, for example: 23h 6m _23 Jul 2013 @ 1215_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610640) 22h 49m _22 Jul 2013 @ 1326_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610472) 1day 54m _21 Jul 2013 @ 1232_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610407) 23h 27m _20 Jul 2013 @ 1305_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610345) 14h 39m _19 Jul 2013 @ 2226 E_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610288) 8h 12m _19 Jul 2013 @ 1414 E_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610216) 23h 30m _18 Jul 2013 @ 1444_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=610217) 3days 8h 10m _15 Jul 2013 @ 0634_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609893) 10h 14m _14 Jul 2013 @ 2020 ie_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609843) 11h 6m _14 Jul 2013 @ 0914 ns_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609763) 20h 20m _13 Jul 2013 @ 1254_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609723) 1day 1h 35m _12 Jul 2013 @ 1119_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609348) 13h 7m _11 Jul 2013 @ 2212 E_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609333) 11h 41m _11 Jul 2013 @ 1031_ (http://www.geysertimes.org/getSingleEruption.php?id=609177) 1day 19h 31m How "real" are these intervals? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130727/fa385d51/attachment.html> From mabdepot at msn.com Sat Jul 27 09:59:50 2013 From: mabdepot at msn.com (MA Bellingham) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:59:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] East Sentinel in the last decade, and historical description Message-ID: Hello gazers - The talk about East Sentinel made me curious, so I took a look in the online OFVC logbook transcription text files. This is not an exhaustive list, I only looked at the years in the 1990's to present. To save you time repeating the search, I offer the observed eruptions, below. Note: I may have missed a few because at first I didn't figure out that the page might not have fully loaded on my slow connection before moving on. I just wanted a look at a general trend of observed or not observed, by year. When Will and Jake finish uploading these files into GeyserTimes it will be easier to access the information with a search by geyser name. 9/10/1992 East Sentinel ~23:04 (2) feet down in crater and surging violently 9/10/1992 East Sentinel ~23:04 (3) hot H2O in west runoff channel @ 23:19 9/10/1992 East Sentinel ~23:04 (4) D.L. 9/10/1992 East Sentinel ~23:05 "(1) steam cloud from Artemisia, H2O several" 9/4/1994 East Sentinel (1)at least one eruption between 9/2 10:00 & 9/4 01:30 markers 9/4/1994 East Sentinel (2)on both sides washed away. Clear evidence of geyser's H2O 9/4/1994 East Sentinel (3)washing through sand at cone's base on NW (Firehole)side. 9/4/1994 East Sentinel (4)No flattening of grass on SE side. Dave Leeking. 10/6/1998 East Sentinel 12:57 ie end 13:12 6/21/2001 East Sentinel 19:48 ie 7/10/2001 East Sentinel 11:58 ie 7/20/2002 East Sentinel 19:02 major eruption 8/9/2002 East Sentinel 13:06 ns major 3/28/2005 East Sentinel 15:25 ie major 9/2/2006 East Sentinel 19:32 ie d > 4 minutes 2/28/2007 East Sentinel 10:14 ie 2/28/2007 East Sentinel 10:14 ie 11/4/2010 East Sentinel 16:00 ie Also of interest I pulled this description of East Sentinel from "Wonderland Nomenclature". Whittlesey 1988: "Arnold Hague had these notes on East Sentinel Geyser about 1911: "The bowl fills slowly with water...becoming more and more agitated till portions of its contents are ejected a few feet above the surface, when, with a sudden impulse, it throws an additional quantity several feet higher, followed by the receding of the water remaining in the bowl." Hague stated that it was difficult to determine what the geyser's height was owing to large amounts of steam." Whittlesey/Nomenclature also states that Marler has East Sentinel information, but I didn't delve into Marler at this time. Looking through the online logbook files was fun! Snow in June, bison patties as markers, and other fun tidbits popped out, bringing a personal touch to what otherwise might be seen as only a place to view eruption times. Have a look, it's fun! Many MANY Thanks to Lynn, Mary Beth, and Marion for their years and years of dedicated careful transcriptions of this valuable resource. See you on the boardwalks, MA M.A. Bellingham mabdepot at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130727/3fcdeefc/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Sat Jul 27 11:22:25 2013 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:22:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, I suspect they are real, but many are double intervals. You could ask the VEC for the electronic data, they do have a monitor on it now. Stephen Eide On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM, wrote: > ** > By no means is this a complaint, but I certainly am curious about what > Great Fountain is doing. Per geysertimes, for example: > 23h 6m *23 Jul 2013 @ 1215 > * 22h 49m *22 Jul 2013 @ 1326 > * 1day 54m *21 Jul 2013 @ 1232 > * 23h 27m *20 Jul 2013 @ 1305 > * 14h 39m *19 Jul 2013 @ 2226 E > * 8h 12m *19 Jul 2013 @ 1414 E > * 23h 30m *18 Jul 2013 @ 1444 > * 3days 8h 10m *15 Jul 2013 @ 0634 > * 10h 14m *14 Jul 2013 @ 2020 ie > * 11h 6m *14 Jul 2013 @ 0914 ns > * 20h 20m *13 Jul 2013 @ 1254 > * 1day 1h 35m *12 Jul 2013 @ 1119 > * 13h 7m *11 Jul 2013 @ 2212 E > * 11h 41m *11 Jul 2013 @ 1031 > * 1day 19h 31m > > How "real" are these intervals? > > Scott Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lion: 0632, 0733ie Castle: major at 0707 Oblong: 1059 Great Fountain: 1249 p=0 Pink Cone: 0610ie White Dome: 1159, 1238, 1318 Lone Pine was reported to be empty yesterday at 1512. Barbara Lasseter a From jeff.cross at utah.edu Sat Jul 27 13:51:34 2013 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 20:51:34 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE369520B7@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a fascinating set of intervals. Of the 6 intervals that range from 8-15 hours, the average is 11.5 hours. Of the 7 intervals that range from 20-26 hours, the average is 23.4 hours. Halving that average gives 11.7 hours. Since Great Fountain has never, to my knowledge, been bimodal, it's easy to interpret this data set as a mixture of single and double intervals. Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] on behalf of TSBryan at aol.com [TSBryan at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:14 AM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain data By no means is this a complaint, but I certainly am curious about what Great Fountain is doing. Per geysertimes, for example: 23h 6m 23 Jul 2013 @ 1215 22h 49m 22 Jul 2013 @ 1326 1day 54m 21 Jul 2013 @ 1232 23h 27m 20 Jul 2013 @ 1305 14h 39m 19 Jul 2013 @ 2226 E 8h 12m 19 Jul 2013 @ 1414 E 23h 30m 18 Jul 2013 @ 1444 3days 8h 10m 15 Jul 2013 @ 0634 10h 14m 14 Jul 2013 @ 2020 ie 11h 6m 14 Jul 2013 @ 0914 ns 20h 20m 13 Jul 2013 @ 1254 1day 1h 35m 12 Jul 2013 @ 1119 13h 7m 11 Jul 2013 @ 2212 E 11h 41m 11 Jul 2013 @ 1031 1day 19h 31m How "real" are these intervals? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130727/ed7610af/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 09:48:53 2013 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:48:53 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] 7.28.13 Fountain/Morning Dual, 0243/0244 Message-ID: <98CE1774-52C3-41FC-AF19-50D4E8CFCE49@gmail.com> Fountain and Morning geysers had a dual eruption on 7.28.13, as reported by Suzanne Strasser on GeyserTimes. Fountain started at 0243 and Morning started at 0244. Fountain Geyser's duration was 96 minutes, 4 seconds, and Morning's duration was 28 minutes. The previous Fountain duration was 34 minutes and the interval was 8 hours, 23 minutes. Morning had not been seen since July 23 at 1846, and that eruption was also a dual with Fountain. GO MORNING!!! GO FOUNTAIN!!! Pat Snyder From jeff.cross at utah.edu Sun Jul 28 22:51:15 2013 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:51:15 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Bight--Tours In-Reply-To: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE36952246@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> References: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE36952246@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Message-ID: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE36952267@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Looks like they're offering tours of Geyser Bight. http://www.arcticwild.com/schedule/itineraries/Aleutian-Hot-Springs-Adventure.html Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130729/df88fbda/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 16:56:43 2013 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:56:43 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Monday, July 29, 2013 Message-ID: Monday, July 29, 2013 I was able to access Firehole Lake Drive when I came in this AM--Pink Cone ie @ 0625. Other gazers reported it closed when they came thru. Midway was also closed when I came thru just after 0630, but open as I headed home shortly before 1330. Very steamy this AM! Little Cub: ie @ 0733 Grand: 0223E, 0912 T1Q W Triplet: 0918 Oblong: 1057 Riverside: 1112 Grotto: 0843 Rocket Major: 1039 Artemisia: 0913 Daisy: 0940ie Dome was active. The next couple of weeks will be catch-as-catch-can on geyser reports. No telling what I'll be doing. Barbara Lasseter From brdavis at iusb.edu Wed Jul 31 11:12:44 2013 From: brdavis at iusb.edu (Davis, Brian L.) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:12:44 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] The role of geyserite in geyser plumbing (or "Who needs geyserite anyway?") Message-ID: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410FC1FC0@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> Why do you need geyserite to ?pressure seal a geyser?? We had an interesting conversation on Facebook recently about how a geyser erupts, and I managed to get myself somewhat confused (again). I was trying to point out that the pressure in a geyser conduit is never really above hydrostatic - pressure does not ?build? in a geyser (at least not after it is full), and during an eruption the pressure in the conduit decreases. A lot. So I started working up a text description of an eruption in detail (right down to how bubbles of steam grow, etc.). Then I thought about the description of the role geyserite plays in ?pressure sealing? the ?plumbing systems? of geysers? and wondered ?why?? As near as I can tell, pressures never rises above hydrostatic. Moreover, if the plumbing system was actually ?sealed?, there would be no way to recharge either water or energy to the system. So? 1) Is the pressure always at or below hydrostatic? 2) If so, what role does a geyserite-lined system play (vs. any other lining)? To anyone interested in the original longish conversation, here?s a FB link to it: https://www.facebook.com/groups/4939307398/permalink/10151566192312399/ This includes links to data from models that show the pressure never gets above hydrostatic *except* during rapid dynamic effects (like a steam-filled conduit sealed under a deep pool condensing the steam and producing a post-eruption ?water hammer?): http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3695302 So far the best idea I?ve come up with is that it acts to reinforce and pressure-seal the main conduit against higher *external* pressure, after the geyser has erupted? but honestly that doesn?t make a lot of sense to me, as water infiltrating from the walls seems to be one way the conduits refill in the first place, and secondly voids in rock or even semi-consolidated sediment can remain against hydrostatic external pressure just fine on their own, no ?armor cladding? needed. -- Brian Davis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130731/d155a221/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Wed Jul 31 22:03:37 2013 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 22:03:37 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat 7/31/13 @ 1940 Message-ID: <1375333417.23555.2.camel@edmund> Not much info yet but Steamboat was seen by Rosa Prasser at 1940 on July 31, 2013. The last Steamboat eruption was 23 May 2005 @ 1441. Dave From jeff.cross at utah.edu Wed Jul 31 21:38:40 2013 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 04:38:40 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] The role of geyserite in geyser plumbing (or "Who needs geyserite anyway?") In-Reply-To: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410FC1FC0@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> References: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410FC1FC0@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE369523F2@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> I've never felt that silica precipitation along the geyser tube was a necessary feature of geysers. The wall rock, regardless of composition, must be coherent enough to withstand the forces of rapidly moving water. If it isn't, the walls will collapse inward from cavitation or excavation of loose sand and gravel. The notion that silica must line the walls of the geyser to form a pressure seal is probably related to the erroneous idea that the pressure builds prior to an eruption. As you demonstrate in your graphs, this doesn't happen at all. One thing that gets lost in debates is that the *vapor pressure* of the geyser's water does build prior to the eruption. When the vapor pressure (which increases with temperature) equals the confining pressure (hydrostatic + atmospheric), then a steam bubble can displace the liquid around it, and any observer would say that the water is now boiling. Note that Steamboat Geyser, presently the biggest on earth, is also one of the youngest of geysers, having formed just after the Park was established. How much silica can it have deposited along its tube in the relatively short time after the vent formed and before the first major eruptions happened? Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] on behalf of Davis, Brian L. [brdavis at iusb.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:12 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Cc: Davis, Brian L. Subject: [Geysers] The role of geyserite in geyser plumbing (or "Who needs geyserite anyway?") Why do you need geyserite to ?pressure seal a geyser?? We had an interesting conversation on Facebook recently about how a geyser erupts, and I managed to get myself somewhat confused (again). I was trying to point out that the pressure in a geyser conduit is never really above hydrostatic - pressure does not ?build? in a geyser (at least not after it is full), and during an eruption the pressure in the conduit decreases. A lot. So I started working up a text description of an eruption in detail (right down to how bubbles of steam grow, etc.). Then I thought about the description of the role geyserite plays in ?pressure sealing? the ?plumbing systems? of geysers? and wondered ?why?? As near as I can tell, pressures never rises above hydrostatic. Moreover, if the plumbing system was actually ?sealed?, there would be no way to recharge either water or energy to the system. So? 1) Is the pressure always at or below hydrostatic? 2) If so, what role does a geyserite-lined system play (vs. any other lining)? To anyone interested in the original longish conversation, here?s a FB link to it: https://www.facebook.com/groups/4939307398/permalink/10151566192312399/ This includes links to data from models that show the pressure never gets above hydrostatic *except* during rapid dynamic effects (like a steam-filled conduit sealed under a deep pool condensing the steam and producing a post-eruption ?water hammer?): http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3695302 So far the best idea I?ve come up with is that it acts to reinforce and pressure-seal the main conduit against higher *external* pressure, after the geyser has erupted? but honestly that doesn?t make a lot of sense to me, as water infiltrating from the walls seems to be one way the conduits refill in the first place, and secondly voids in rock or even semi-consolidated sediment can remain against hydrostatic external pressure just fine on their own, no ?armor cladding? needed. -- Brian Davis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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