From kscope_ynp at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 23:02:31 2013 From: kscope_ynp at yahoo.com (Mike Keller) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 23:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Perhaps this is why Giant hasn't erupted in 3 years? Message-ID: <1364882551.5679.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fellow gazers-enjoy! ? MK ? http://www.yellowstonegate.com/2013/04/federal-budget-cuts-force-yellowstone-park-curtail-old-faithful-eruptions/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130401/7d46f061/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Tue Apr 2 20:53:37 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:53:37 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Perhaps this is why Giant hasn't erupted in 3 years? In-Reply-To: <1364882551.5679.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1364882551.5679.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <515BA7C1.4070904@xmission.com> ROTFLMAO! Do you think the people who treated it as serious were for real or just playing along? Karen Webb On 4/2/2013 12:02 AM, Mike Keller wrote: > Fellow gazers-enjoy! > MK > http://www.yellowstonegate.com/2013/04/federal-budget-cuts-force-yellowstone-park-curtail-old-faithful-eruptions/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130402/a66ccc0d/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130402/a66ccc0d/attachment.jpg> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 11 19:05:02 2013 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:05:02 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess Intervals (Stephens) Message-ID: THIS REPORT IS FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV. REPRODUCTION FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE, INCLUDING PUBLICATION IN THE SPUT, ON FACEBOOK, ANY WEB PAGE, OR ANY OTHER REPRODUCTION REGARDLESS OF THE MEDIUM USED, IS PROHIBITED. I periodically read the archives of the Old Faithful webcam chat page and noticed some discussion about where the current interval for Giantess rates in comparison with historical activity. Heinrich Koenig compiled reports of Giantess eruptions from 1864 through 07/01/1997 and published his compilation in an article in Volume VI of the Transactions. At the time he published the article, the earliest report he found was 1864. He did not find any reports for 1865-1869, but then again there were almost no reports for eruptions of any geysers during that time. From 1870 through 1908 there were only a few years for which no reports of eruptions had been found--1871, 1874, 1877, 1879, 1890, 1892, 1894, 1898, and 1900. Note that there were no consecutive years with zero reports. Giantess was quite active in 1904-1908, then Heinrich wrote there no reports for 1909 through 1918. Haynes (in the 1912 Guide) said, "During 1911 the records show that the intervals between eruptions varied from four to twelve days; while a few years ago the Giantess played only every three to four weeks." Marler noted Haynes "seem[ed] to have taken information from the records which the guards submitted to Superintendent Anderson [in 1895 and 1896]" as the source for the information in the 1912 Guide. Whittlesey [1988] apparently also did not find any specific reports of observed eruptions from 1909 through 1918. Whittlesey noted Allen's guidebooks (1914 and 1918) included Giantess in a table of geysers and said intervals were "5-40 days" but no source was provided by Allen and Whittlesey apparently did not find any independent source to indicate where this information originated from. Giantess may very well have been dormant for about a 10 year period from 1909 through 1918. Once reports of eruptions resumed in 1919 it wasn't until 1933 that Koenig said there was another year with no reported eruptions. Marler [1972] reported 7 eruptions in the 1930s, 12 in the 1940s, 13 in the 1950s, and 20 in the 1960s. >From 1934 through 1997 the only years for which Koenig found no reported eruptions were 1939, 1941, 1943, 1956, 1957, 1964, and 1978. Marler did not list Giantess in the table of "active geysers" in his 1956 annual report report, so it can reasonably be concluded that none were observed. However Marler did list giantess as active in his 1957 and 1964 annual reports. Assuming Marler was correct in his reports of activity even though Koenig did not locate specific dates for eruptions during those years, Giantess does not appear to have a two-year period of dormancy from 1919 through 1997. Since 1997 the longest intervals have been ~591 days from the 1/1/1998 eruption to the 8/23/1999 eruption, and ~653 days from the 7/25/2006 eruption to the 5/8/2008 eruption. Lynn Stephens [1]George Marler, Inventory..., June, 1973, p. 297. See also his Geyser Observations and References, vol. 1, section on Giantess Geyser. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130411/dfcac742/attachment.html> From jakefrisbee at yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 07:20:31 2013 From: jakefrisbee at yahoo.com (Jacob Young) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Old Faithful Plumbing Study (Young) Message-ID: <1365862831.72994.YahooMailNeo@web142501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> An article from?http://www.livescience.com/28699-old-faithful-hidden-cavern.html?with the text below Here's the actual study:?http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50422/abstract??If anyone could send me the PDF of it, I'd appreciate it. Full Text of LiveScience.com write-up: Old Faithful's underground plumbing looks more like a bagpipe than a flute, a new study of the Yellowstone National Park geyser finds. A big chamber sits about 50 feet (15 meters) underground, located southwest of Old Faithful, researchers report in a study published online March 30 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. The exact size can't be determined, but they estimate the egg-shaped void is at least 50 feet (15 m) tall and 60 feet (18 m) wide. The cavern connects to a pipe angled about 24 degrees that feeds Old Faithful's maw. Tiny tremors extracted from seismic records collected in the 1990s revealed the shape of the cavern and geyser conduit. Popping gas bubbles create the tremors. Not only do the tremors map the shape of underground spaces, they can also track water. For the first time, scientists have a clear view of how Old Faithful works underground. "We're able to locate with one- to two-meter precision the place where the boiling occurs," said Jean Vandemeulebrouck, a geophysicist at the University of Savoie in France. "We can see the water rising in the conduit." How Old Faithful works Old Faithful earned its name for its regular eruptions, which average every 92 minutes. Just after an eruption, there's a 15-minute recharge period with low water levels. Then for about 50 minutes, water levels rise and seismic activity increases. The chamber never empties, but as steam bubbles fill the chamber, they can oscillate water in the conduit, eventually leading to a violent steam explosion. The bubble trap is what helps Old Faithful splash with smaller eruptions before fully blowing its top. The research is another nail in the coffin for the long-standing idea that big geysers erupt from long, narrow tubes. Earlier this year, researchers working in Kamchatka's Valley of the Geysers showed the Russian geysers also erupted from conduits fed by caverns. As with Old Faithful, the geysers explode because of underground bubble traps. Geysers are rare features ? only about 1,000 exist around the world. To form a geyser, there must abundant groundwater, a volcanic heat source to warm the water, open spaces so the water can escape and a way to trap bubbles. Vandemeulebrouck is now collaborating with the U.S. Geological Survey to study another Yellowstone National Park geyser, called Lone Star. Their preliminary results are similar to Old Faithful, he said. [Video: A Scenic Tour of Yellowstone National Park] "I think this oscillating system is quite common in geysers," Vandemeulebrouck told OurAmazingPlanet. ----- Jake Young -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130413/46efa0e6/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Sat Apr 13 13:54:56 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:54:56 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Old Faithful Plumbing Study (Young) In-Reply-To: <1365862831.72994.YahooMailNeo@web142501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1365862831.72994.YahooMailNeo@web142501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5169C620.2030708@xmission.com> This is very interesting, although the abstract seems to suggest slightly different data than the livescience article describes (so, yes, if anyone has access to the full article, I also would like to see it if that's not a violation of the terms for article retrieval). I have to wish again that someone would also study a fountain geyser so the two plumbing systems could be compared. I've been curious about whether a multiple-burst Grand or the really vigourous or superburst Great Fountain eruptions are tapping a second or different part of their aquifers. Also, I think the abstract is saying that this is a reexamination of the 1992 data (which I thought used a fiberoptic camera) and that what they've found is a previously unidentified part of OF's plumbing system. Thanks, Jacob for the links! Karen Webb On 4/13/2013 8:20 AM, Jacob Young wrote: > An article from > http://www.livescience.com/28699-old-faithful-hidden-cavern.html with > the text below > > Here's the actual study: > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50422/abstract If > anyone could send me the PDF of it, I'd appreciate it. > > Full Text of LiveScience.com write-up: > > Old Faithful's underground plumbing looks more like a bagpipe than a > flute, a new study of the Yellowstone National Park geyser finds. > > A big chamber sits about 50 feet (15 meters) underground, located > southwest of Old Faithful, researchers report in a study published > online March 30 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. The exact > size can't be determined, but they estimate the egg-shaped void is at > least 50 feet (15 m) tall and 60 feet (18 m) wide. The cavern connects > to a pipe angled about 24 degrees that feeds Old Faithful's maw. > Tiny tremors extracted from seismic records collected in the 1990s > revealed the shape of the cavern and geyser conduit. Popping gas > bubbles create the tremors. Not only do the tremors map the shape of > underground spaces, they can also track water. For the first time, > scientists have a clear view of how Old Faithful works underground. > "We're able to locate with one- to two-meter precision the place where > the boiling occurs," said Jean Vandemeulebrouck, a geophysicist at the > University of Savoie in France. "We can see the water rising in the > conduit." > > How Old Faithful works > > Old Faithful earned its name for its regular eruptions, which average > every 92 minutes. > Just after an eruption, there's a 15-minute recharge period with low > water levels. Then for about 50 minutes, water levels rise and seismic > activity increases. The chamber never empties, but as steam bubbles > fill the chamber, they can oscillate water in the conduit, eventually > leading to a violent steam explosion. The bubble trap is what helps > Old Faithful splash with smaller eruptions before fully blowing its top. > The research is another nail in the coffin for the long-standing idea > that big geysers erupt from long, narrow tubes. Earlier this year, > researchers working in Kamchatka's Valley of the Geysers showed the > Russian geysers also erupted from conduits fed by caverns. As with Old > Faithful, the geysers explode because of underground bubble traps. > Geysers are rare features --- only about 1,000 exist around the world. > To form a geyser, there must abundant groundwater, a volcanic heat > source to warm the water, open spaces so the water can escape and a > way to trap bubbles. > Vandemeulebrouck is now collaborating with the U.S. Geological Survey > to study another Yellowstone National Park geyser, called Lone Star. > Their preliminary results are similar to Old Faithful, he said. > [Video: A Scenic Tour of Yellowstone National Park] > "I think this oscillating system is quite common in geysers," > Vandemeulebrouck told OurAmazingPlanet. > > ----- > > Jake Young > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, Lucille Reilly Denver, CO ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/516b386e4eb26386d15b7st03vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130414/2b087abb/attachment.html> From mikeobrien at spamcop.net Mon Apr 15 09:39:44 2013 From: mikeobrien at spamcop.net (Mike O'Brien) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> Message-ID: <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... Mike O'Brien Sent while out wandering around (probably) On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I?m hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. > > Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They?ve got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don?t , but that doesn?t mean they couldn?t. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) > > Anyway, visit the site, see what they?ve got, and make a request. > > Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, > > Lucille Reilly > Denver, CO > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > ConsumerLifestyleMag.com > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130415/3a1b331e/attachment.html> From thedulcimerlady at juno.com Mon Apr 15 20:34:54 2013 From: thedulcimerlady at juno.com (Lucille Reilly) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:34:54 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <002201ce3a53$5d25d4a0$17717de0$@juno.com> I found out that they do NOT have a license via NatGeo to provide this photo. Lucille From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:40 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Cc: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... Mike O'Brien Sent while out wandering around (probably) On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: Hi everyone, I?m hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They?ve got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don?t , but that doesn?t mean they couldn?t. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) Anyway, visit the site, see what they?ve got, and make a request. Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, Lucille Reilly Denver, CO ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... ConsumerLifestyleMag.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu ____________________________________________________________ FileLater - Tax Extension Get a 6-month tax extention from the IRS today! FileLater.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130415/3c6d8b66/attachment.html> From ufreund at att.net Mon Apr 15 20:41:57 2013 From: ufreund at att.net (ufreund at att.net) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:41:57 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> Best image of Grand Prismatic that I?ve ever seen: Billings Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Cc: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... Mike O'Brien Sent while out wandering around (probably) On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: Hi everyone, I?m hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They?ve got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don?t , but that doesn?t mean they couldn?t. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) Anyway, visit the site, see what they?ve got, and make a request. Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, Lucille Reilly Denver, CO ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... ConsumerLifestyleMag.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130415/483bf3bf/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Tue Apr 16 16:12:21 2013 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (JOChapple) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:12:21 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> Message-ID: Outstanding photo! Thanks for that, Udo. Janet Chapple - - - - - On Apr 15, 2013, at 8:41 PM, wrote: > Best image of Grand Prismatic that I?ve ever seen: Billings Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. > http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg > > Thanks, > Udo Freund > "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM > To: Geyser Observation Reports > Cc: Geyser Observation Reports > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? > > Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... > > Mike O'Brien > > Sent while out wandering around (probably) > > On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I?m hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. > > Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They?ve got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don?t , but that doesn?t mean they couldn?t. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) > > Anyway, visit the site, see what they?ve got, and make a request. > > Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, > > Lucille Reilly > Denver, CO > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > ConsumerLifestyleMag.com > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130416/b3f751f6/attachment-0001.html> From tenley.thompson at gmail.com Tue Apr 16 17:54:10 2013 From: tenley.thompson at gmail.com (Tenley Thompson) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:54:10 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an ipad Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am a long time lurker to these messages and have learned a lot from everyone here, so thank you. I guess its about time I say something. I have long thought about offering my Grand Prismatic image as an ipad/iphone/tablet/phone skin or case. If there is an interest by this community I can add it to my website offerings, the image I have in mind is here: http://tenleythompsonphotography.com/artwork/2762632_Grand_Prismatic.html Feel free to use the contact button on the website if you want one and we can figure something out. I wish I could offer the image for free but I will make you a good deal that's close to cost since you all have been so wonderful about teaching me such amazing things! 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Lucille From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tenley Thompson Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:54 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an ipad Hi everyone, I am a long time lurker to these messages and have learned a lot from everyone here, so thank you. I guess its about time I say something. I have long thought about offering my Grand Prismatic image as an ipad/iphone/tablet/phone skin or case. If there is an interest by this community I can add it to my website offerings, the image I have in mind is here: http://tenleythompsonphotography.com/artwork/2762632_Grand_Prismatic.html Feel free to use the contact button on the website if you want one and we can figure something out. I wish I could offer the image for free but I will make you a good deal that's close to cost since you all have been so wonderful about teaching me such amazing things! Thanks, Tenley Thompson ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Unusual Sleep Trick Scientists in Boston have revealed a natural sleep formula that would have everyone talking. Try it tonight. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/516e1ab58de721ab4316bst02vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130416/f81c727d/attachment-0001.html> From caros at xmission.com Tue Apr 16 22:00:08 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:00:08 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> Message-ID: <516E2C58.4090007@xmission.com> OMG, what a shot! Karen Webb On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: > > Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings Gazette > chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over > Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 > Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines > my love of both geothermals and aircraft. > > http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg > > Thanks, > Udo Freund > /"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just > sit there." --Will Rogers/ > > *From:*geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mike O'Brien > *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM > *To:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Cc:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Subject:* Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? > > Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group > ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best > photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the > group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... > > Mike O'Brien > > Sent while out wandering around (probably) > > > On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to > protect it from scratches and so on. > > Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com , > which includes artwork all over. They've got a couple cool > boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had > a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don't , but that doesn't > mean they couldn't. I just now wrote and requested it, saying > that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for > various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something > else.) > > Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. > > Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, > > Lucille Reilly > > Denver, CO > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Woman is 53 But Looks 25* > 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > ConsumerLifestyleMag.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130416/e76554d0/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130416/e76554d0/attachment-0001.jpg> From caros at xmission.com Tue Apr 16 22:51:27 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:51:27 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> Message-ID: <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> I don't think there's anything here that would detract from how spectacular a shot this was, but was the plane edited in? There's something in the proportions of the plane and the boardwalk that doesn't track the longer you look at it, and would there be a shadow on Grand Pris? Pat and other photogs, can you weigh in? Karen Webb On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: > > Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings Gazette > chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over > Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 > Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines > my love of both geothermals and aircraft. > > http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg > > Thanks, > Udo Freund > /"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just > sit there." --Will Rogers/ > > *From:*geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mike O'Brien > *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM > *To:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Cc:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Subject:* Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? > > Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group > ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best > photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the > group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... > > Mike O'Brien > > Sent while out wandering around (probably) > > > On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to > protect it from scratches and so on. > > Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com , > which includes artwork all over. They've got a couple cool > boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had > a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don't , but that doesn't > mean they couldn't. I just now wrote and requested it, saying > that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for > various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something > else.) > > Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. > > Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, > > Lucille Reilly > > Denver, CO > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Woman is 53 But Looks 25* > 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > ConsumerLifestyleMag.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130416/a3485d78/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130416/a3485d78/attachment-0001.jpg> From THert at uwyo.edu Wed Apr 17 06:13:00 2013 From: THert at uwyo.edu (Tamsen Leigh Hert) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:00 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an ipad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <508EAB8E-DDFC-4719-9AA1-9F3B67C6649E@uwyo.edu> I think this is a lovely image, thanks for sharing! Tamsen Hert Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:26 PM, "Tenley Thompson" > wrote: Hi everyone, I am a long time lurker to these messages and have learned a lot from everyone here, so thank you. I guess its about time I say something. I have long thought about offering my Grand Prismatic image as an ipad/iphone/tablet/phone skin or case. If there is an interest by this community I can add it to my website offerings, the image I have in mind is here: http://tenleythompsonphotography.com/artwork/2762632_Grand_Prismatic.html Feel free to use the contact button on the website if you want one and we can figure something out. I wish I could offer the image for free but I will make you a good deal that's close to cost since you all have been so wonderful about teaching me such amazing things! Thanks, Tenley Thompson _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130417/954b7f09/attachment.html> From wolveslax65 at comcast.net Wed Apr 17 16:13:21 2013 From: wolveslax65 at comcast.net (Will Boekel) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:13:21 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] 2012-13 Winter Logger data Message-ID: <8EF00B90C3884883B0240076EFA3DFB9@WillPC> Gazers, Just a heads up about the data. Dr. Heasler pulled the loggers last Wednesday (4/10) while the webcams were offline. He told me that he would send me the data sometime this week. Unfortunately Dr. Heasler also said that there was some data loss, so lets hope it was minimal. I will send another email once the data is in my hands. Will Boekel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130417/b5ba8e51/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Wed Apr 17 18:04:03 2013 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:04:03 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> Message-ID: Hello all, Well, with the boardwalk on the north of GP and the sun to the south, the shadow from the plane should be off the right side of the picture. I think. (therefore, I am... a geyser geek) Stephen Eide On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Karen Webb wrote: > I don't think there's anything here that would detract from how > spectacular a shot this was, but was the plane edited in? There's something > in the proportions of the plane and the boardwalk that doesn't track the > longer you look at it, and would there be a shadow on Grand Pris? Pat and > other photogs, can you weigh in? > Karen Webb > > > On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: > > Best image of Grand Prismatic that I?ve ever seen: Billings Gazette > chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand > Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the > Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both > geothermals and aircraft.**** > > > http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg > **** > > ** ** > > Thanks, > Udo Freund > *"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit > there." --Will Rogers***** > > ** ** > > *From:* geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [ > mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] > *On Behalf Of *Mike O'Brien > *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM > *To:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Cc:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Subject:* Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad?**** > > ** ** > > Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought > to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of > Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be > fairly high-res, probably...**** > > ** ** > > Mike O'Brien > > Sent while out wandering around (probably)**** > > > On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly > wrote:**** > > Hi everyone,**** > > **** > > I?m hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect > it from scratches and so on.**** > > **** > > Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. > They?ve got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to > see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don?t , but that > doesn?t mean they couldn?t. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that > many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones > and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.)**** > > **** > > Anyway, visit the site, see what they?ve got, and make a request.**** > > **** > > Hope to see some of you in the park this summer,**** > > **** > > Lucille Reilly**** > > Denver, CO**** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Woman is 53 But Looks 25* > 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > > ConsumerLifestyleMag.com > **** > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > **** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing listGeysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will be happy to work with you! We think we have a great volume coming together already, but would be very happy for more! Thank you! Tara CrossJeff CrossPat Snyder TRANSACTIONS 13: CALL FOR PAPERS The Transactions editors would like to follow up our brief call for papers with a reminder to everyone that our submission deadline is September 1, 2013, and there is still plenty of time to write. We have received several article proposals but are hoping for more! Here are some suggestions for papers: Observations of a rare geyser?you may have been one of a very few people to see it. A simple report guarantees that the details of this event will be preserved for future researchers.Observations of an uncommonly-studied geyser?you may take a special interest in a geyser that everyone sees but nobody studies. Three million people a year visit Yellowstone, yet the geyser basins are full of small-to-medium-sized geysers that go unnoticed. One of these projects might require only a day or two to give interesting results.In-depth observations of a well-known geyser or group of geysers?you may be able to uncover unexpected patterns in its activity, or establish that historical patterns have remained consistent. Even a simple graph of interval vs. duration may show something unexpected?or, you might find that the geyser was doing exactly what it did when someone studied it in 1985.Historical studies?research of a geyser?s past behavior can help us understand its present behavior.Observations of thermal features not in Yellowstone are always welcome. In the 23 years that have passed since Volume I was published in 1989, the GOSA Transactions has provided 2,510 pages of information on geysers in Yellowstone and in other places throughout the world. Eruption data analyses, experiments with model geysers, conjectures on how geysers function and accounts of rare or unusual geyser activity are some of the topics that past authors have addressed in their papers. Much of this information can be found only in the pages of the Transactions?no other journal exists where these articles could be published. Were it not for publication in the Transactions, much of this information would be forgotten. That we have chosen to collect and publish papers in each volume of the Transactions means that future generations will have access to what we know about geysers and other thermal features, and that they will be able to build on it. Whatever your observations and research interests may be, it is important to the study of geysers and to the mission of the GOSA Transactions. We hope that you will consider contributing to Volume 13! 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Lucille From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Eide Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:04 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Hello all, Well, with the boardwalk on the north of GP and the sun to the south, the shadow from the plane should be off the right side of the picture. I think. (therefore, I am... a geyser geek) Stephen Eide On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Karen Webb wrote: I don't think there's anything here that would detract from how spectacular a shot this was, but was the plane edited in? There's something in the proportions of the plane and the boardwalk that doesn't track the longer you look at it, and would there be a shadow on Grand Pris? Pat and other photogs, can you weigh in? Karen Webb On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content /tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0 ff3fa4.image.jpg Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Cc: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... Mike O'Brien Sent while out wandering around (probably) On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: Hi everyone, I'm hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They've got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don't , but that doesn't mean they couldn't. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, Lucille Reilly Denver, CO ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... ConsumerLifestyleMag.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ 1 Weird spice that FIGHTS diabetes Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and fight diabetes? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/516f5c6f83f965c6d23bast04duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lucille Reilly (and Charles Snyder) From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:16 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Another Announcement Hello everyone, I am also very pleased to announce that geyser listserv co-moderator and Transactions proofreader Carlton Cross was married on April 7 to Karen MacIvor. Congratulations and best wishes to the newlyweds! --Tara Cross fanandnmortar at hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Unusual Sleep Trick Scientists in Boston have revealed a natural sleep formula that would have everyone talking. Try it tonight. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/516f5cd07e7b05ccf60cbst02vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Normally you don't fly lower than 2000 feet above a national park (in which case the photographer must be 5-6000 feet above the ground). I think it more likely they were? ~1000 and ~3000 feet up for this photo... but in either case, as the photo is only showing a swath of ground about 500 feet across, the plane's shadow is going to be quite a long way off the edge of the screen. GRB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130417/9d413d76/attachment-0001.jpg> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Apr 18 08:47:18 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Message-ID: <2396a.52947ded.3ea16f86@aol.com> As an aside.....There is an Asian photographer who frequents those "art festivals" that appear in shopping center parking lots. I first saw him several years ago in California, then recently here in Arizona. He has some fine photos. One shows Grand Prismatic. He labels it as Goose Lake. He refuses to be corrected, advising that he's been to Yellowstone... and knows. Scott Bryan In a message dated 4/16/2013 4:01:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ufreund at att.net writes: Best image of Grand Prismatic that I?ve ever seen: Billings Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content /tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0 ff3fa4.image.jpg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130418/e7d04128/attachment-0001.html> From ufreund at att.net Thu Apr 18 10:36:18 2013 From: ufreund at att.net (ufreund at att.net) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> Message-ID: <005601ce3c5b$3c3ffcc0$b4bff640$@net> The original article, which I cannot find online (probably in archives now) that appeared in the Billings Gazette mentioned that two aircraft were used. The photog hung his camera out the window of the upper one while coordinating passes over the spring with the lower, yellow one via radio. They made many passes to get this image. One caption for the photo states: "Larry Mayer snapped this shot of Grand Prismatic Spring while flying at 12,500 feet over Yellowstone National Park July 10, 2010. The yellow Piper Super Cub floats through air below him at an altitude of 9,200 feet." GP Spring's elevation is 7270. Since the yellow aircraft flew nearly 2000 feet above the spring I doubt a shadow would be in the image. They are also not directly above one another judging by the amount of rudder visible while the yellow aircraft is assumedly in level flight. A shadow distorted by heat and steam MIGHT be in the lower right of the spring, but I kinda doubt it. Therefore, I truly believe it was NOT photoshopped. However, I do believe a polarizing filter was used to enhance colors and reduce any glare. Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Eide Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:04 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Hello all, Well, with the boardwalk on the north of GP and the sun to the south, the shadow from the plane should be off the right side of the picture. I think. (therefore, I am... a geyser geek) Stephen Eide On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Karen Webb wrote: I don't think there's anything here that would detract from how spectacular a shot this was, but was the plane edited in? There's something in the proportions of the plane and the boardwalk that doesn't track the longer you look at it, and would there be a shadow on Grand Pris? Pat and other photogs, can you weigh in? Karen Webb On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content /tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0 ff3fa4.image.jpg Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Cc: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... Mike O'Brien Sent while out wandering around (probably) On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: Hi everyone, I'm hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They've got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don't , but that doesn't mean they couldn't. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, Lucille Reilly Denver, CO ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... ConsumerLifestyleMag.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130418/69f2805c/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130418/69f2805c/attachment-0001.jpg> From wolveslax65 at comcast.net Thu Apr 18 18:40:25 2013 From: wolveslax65 at comcast.net (Will Boekel) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:40:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Ready for opening day?? Message-ID: Another video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntiYytxPGSA Enjoy, Will Boekel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130418/437af94c/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Thu Apr 18 16:48:44 2013 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:48:44 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <2396a.52947ded.3ea16f86@aol.com> References: <2396a.52947ded.3ea16f86@aol.com> Message-ID: <5170865C.5080506@xmission.com> I remember seeing water skiers on Goose Lake when you could actually get a car back to that trailhead for Fairy Falls (at least, this is what I matched it to on a detailed map). I'm trying to imagine this on Grand Pris: thermal boat outfitted with an outboard motor? Very tiny thermal boat? Thermal water skis and thermal water skiing apparel? (Sorry, need for non-wc geysers is making me punchy...) Karen Webb On 4/18/2013 9:47 AM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > As an aside.....There is an Asian photographer who frequents those > "art festivals" that appear in shopping center parking lots. I first > saw him several years ago in California, then recently here in > Arizona. He has some fine photos. One shows Grand Prismatic. He labels > it as Goose Lake. He refuses to be corrected, advising that he's been > to Yellowstone... and knows. > Scott Bryan > In a message dated 4/16/2013 4:01:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > ufreund at att.net writes: > > Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings > Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane > flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park > was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper > Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. > > http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130418/c44430a5/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Signature13.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18578 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20130418/c44430a5/attachment-0001.jpg> From janet at snowmoon.us Thu Apr 18 16:58:28 2013 From: janet at snowmoon.us (Janet White | SnowMoon, LLC) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:58:28 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <004a01ce3bdd$acdba4d0$0692ee70$@juno.com> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> <004a01ce3bdd$acdba4d0$0692ee70$@juno.com> Message-ID: <517088A4.9040203@snowmoon.us> A photo like you're looking at is going to be costly to create simply because of the plane involved. And any photographer who has gone to those lengths isn't going to license it cheap. Those will be rights managed images where you pay for each and every single use. It's not the pay once, use as you will model of licensing. I did take a look around at the various stock photography agencies and really, the only ones were found at Getty: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=creative&p=Grand+Prismatic+Spring+Overhead&assetType=image As for the plane being photoshopped in, I would doubt it simply because it came from an editorial person - not good juju to tamper with editorial use photos. Career risking type bad juju. Now if it was an 'art' piece - then there are no rules. I think your best shot at using the photo is to contact the photographer himself, tell him what you want to use the image for, negotiate a price (rights managed/royalty managed - RM are usually negotiated based on the budget you have for a project, not necessarily on a fixed price). He may want to work directly with Gelaskins, I know I would with a shot like this. If you want him to photoshop out the the plane, just ask if he has one that doesn't have the plane in it. Like most of us, doing something along those lines, he has more than one shot in his files. Janet White Geyser Watch .com SnowMoon Photography .com janet at snowmoon.us On 4/17/2013 8:37 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: > > I'd say if the plane is high enough, a shadow wouldn't be visible. > > I sent the link below to GelaSkins and they kabashed it because it's > not enough pixels. I would say that's because of the MPs being > adjusted for the Internet, and would bet the photographer has it in > much higher resolution. > > I'm guessing that the second photo we got a link to went into > PhotoShop to airbrush the highway out? > > Lucille > > *From:*geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Eide > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:04 PM > *To:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Subject:* Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? > > Hello all, > > Well, with the boardwalk on the north of GP and the sun to the south, > the shadow from the plane should be off the right side of the > picture. I think. (therefore, I am... a geyser geek) > > Stephen Eide > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Karen Webb > wrote: > > I don't think there's anything here that would detract from how > spectacular a shot this was, but was the plane edited in? There's > something in the proportions of the plane and the boardwalk that > doesn't track the longer you look at it, and would there be a shadow > on Grand Pris? Pat and other photogs, can you weigh in? > Karen Webb > > > > On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: > > Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings Gazette > chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over > Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 > Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines > my love of both geothermals and aircraft. > > http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0ff3fa4.image.jpg > > Thanks, > Udo Freund > /"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just > sit there." --Will Rogers/ > > *From:*geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mike O'Brien > *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM > *To:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Cc:* Geyser Observation Reports > *Subject:* Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? > > Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group > ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best > photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the > group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... > > Mike O'Brien > > Sent while out wandering around (probably) > > > On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to > protect it from scratches and so on. > > Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com , > which includes artwork all over. They've got a couple cool > boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had > a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don't , but that doesn't > mean they couldn't. I just now wrote and requested it, saying > that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for > various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something > else.) > > Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. > > Hope to see some of you in the park this summer, > > Lucille Reilly > > Denver, CO > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Woman is 53 But Looks 25* > 53/YO Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > ConsumerLifestyleMag.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *1 Weird spice that FIGHTS diabetes* > Can this unusual "super spice" control your blood sugar and fight > diabetes? > diabetesreversed.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <004a01ce3bdd$acdba4d0$0692ee70$@juno.com> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> <004a01ce3bdd$acdba4d0$0692ee70$@juno.com> Message-ID: <000001ce3c92$d49920a0$7dcb61e0$@net> Searching further I found this 1024 x 862 pixel image: http://dingbatter.com/i/GrandPrismaticSpring-L.jpg If you really want a better image of it or more details about it I suggest contacting Larry Mayer at the Billings Gazette. This is my last post regarding this issue. Larry Mayer Photo Editor (406) 657-1391 Email Larry Mayer Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Lucille Reilly Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:38 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? I'd say if the plane is high enough, a shadow wouldn't be visible. I sent the link below to GelaSkins and they kabashed it because it's not enough pixels. I would say that's because of the MPs being adjusted for the Internet, and would bet the photographer has it in much higher resolution. I'm guessing that the second photo we got a link to went into PhotoShop to airbrush the highway out? Lucille From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Eide Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:04 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Hello all, Well, with the boardwalk on the north of GP and the sun to the south, the shadow from the plane should be off the right side of the picture. I think. (therefore, I am... a geyser geek) Stephen Eide On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Karen Webb wrote: I don't think there's anything here that would detract from how spectacular a shot this was, but was the plane edited in? There's something in the proportions of the plane and the boardwalk that doesn't track the longer you look at it, and would there be a shadow on Grand Pris? Pat and other photogs, can you weigh in? Karen Webb On 4/15/2013 9:41 PM, ufreund at att.net wrote: Best image of Grand Prismatic that I've ever seen: Billings Gazette chief photographer Larry Mayer's image of a small plane flying over Grand Prismatic Spring in Yellowstone National Park was named 2010 Photo of the Year by the Montana Newspaper Association. It combines my love of both geothermals and aircraft. http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/editorialmatters.lee.net/content /tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/37/b3793e58-7d69-11e0-8f54-001cc4c03286/4dcd3a0 ff3fa4.image.jpg Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:40 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Cc: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? Well, it says you can provide your own photo. Seems like this group ought to be able to come up with something. So, who's got the best photo of Grand Prismatic that they'd be willing to share with the group? Should be fairly high-res, probably... Mike O'Brien Sent while out wandering around (probably) On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lucille Reilly wrote: Hi everyone, I'm hot to trot to get an iPad, and one of my concerns is how to protect it from scratches and so on. Enter Gelaskins, www.gelaskins.com, which includes artwork all over. They've got a couple cool boreali or something in space, and so I looked to see if they had a skin with Grand Prismatic on it. They don't , but that doesn't mean they couldn't. I just now wrote and requested it, saying that many here would also be interested. (They make skins for various phones and tablets, so not to worry if you own something else.) Anyway, visit the site, see what they've got, and make a request. 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Rhonda Cartee On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Will Boekel wrote: > Another video, > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntiYytxPGSA > > > Enjoy, > > Will Boekel > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130419/9fb7bbdd/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Sun Apr 21 01:40:01 2013 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 01:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Grand Prismatic on an iPad? In-Reply-To: <517088A4.9040203@snowmoon.us> References: <003801ce3965$dee17240$9ca456c0$@juno.com> <6A616BC1-9D14-4140-9410-4E5E035669B9@spamcop.net> <000601ce3a54$59273a50$0b75aef0$@net> <516E385F.6090205@xmission.com> <004a01ce3bdd$acdba4d0$0692ee70$@juno.com> <517088A4.9040203@snowmoon.us> Message-ID: <44BB3F46-AEB5-4735-BECC-2651F4A064F4@gmail.com> Thank you, Janet, for explaining this issue clearly. Pat Snyder On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Janet White | SnowMoon, LLC wrote: > A photo like you're looking at is going to be costly to create simply because of the plane involved. And any photographer who has gone to those lengths isn't going to license it cheap. Those will be rights managed images where you pay for each and every single use. It's not the pay once, use as you will model of licensing. > > I did take a look around at the various stock photography agencies and really, the only ones were found at Getty: > http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=creative&p=Grand+Prismatic+Spring+Overhead&assetType=image > > As for the plane being photoshopped in, I would doubt it simply because it came from an editorial person - not good juju to tamper with editorial use photos. Career risking type bad juju. Now if it was an 'art' piece - then there are no rules. > > I think your best shot at using the photo is to contact the photographer himself, tell him what you want to use the image for, negotiate a price (rights managed/royalty managed - RM are usually negotiated based on the budget you have for a project, not necessarily on a fixed price). He may want to work directly with Gelaskins, I know I would with a shot like this. If you want him to photoshop out the the plane, just ask if he has one that doesn't have the plane in it. Like most of us, doing something along those lines, he has more than one shot in his files. > > Janet White > Geyser Watch .com > SnowMoon Photography .com > janet at snowmoon.us From wolveslax65 at comcast.net Mon Apr 22 15:50:32 2013 From: wolveslax65 at comcast.net (Will Boekel) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:50:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GT Upgrades released Message-ID: <0E2CF1646CCF4483B4679BA5BBD3F5C2@WillPC> Gazers, Jake and I have released another batch of upgrades last Friday including improvements on the search feature, user customization options, and some other behind the scenes stuff. Have fun playing with the new features! Will Boekel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The weather was variable, but not as bad as it sounded in the forecasts. Saturday was even warm at times. On Sunday afternoon, we kept getting squalls of snow while we were waiting for Grand. I heard that they had thunder snow in West. When I drove out after Grand and Castle, I ran into pea-sized hail past Biscuit Basin for a mile or two. It was a couple of inches deep on the road and hitting the car hard. Then, just before the Firehole River picnic area, several trees had been blown down (microburst?). The damage was in a small area, and maybe 15-20 trees had been blown over into the road or to the side (taking other trees with them) while at least three others on the other side of the road were snapped off half way up. Another had it's bark ripped off on one side. Quite a storm! Overnight we had snow, so on Monday I was trudging through about 3 inches of thick snow in 20 degree weather with a north wind. Fortunately, my clothing did it's job and I was comfortable. We were surprised how few bison we saw! The goose is back at the old eagle's nest. A modest-sized herd of elk roamed near the Madison River. I saw a pair of swans in the Firehole River. In the UGB, the bluebirds and sandhill cranes are back. There was a hawk flying around the trees behind Grand to Giant. I couldn't get a good enough look at it to identify it. Two large birds that were probably eagles flew around the basin at times, but, again, they did not come close enough to get a positive I.D. (I did see a bald eagle or two in other places.) When I crossed the bridge from Castle to Grand on Sunday, an osprey flew over me carrying a fish. He was being followed by the hawk and another bird! We saw many Canada geese and a few ducks. There also was what I think was a wolf in the Gibbon Meadows. Bulger was active, and I saw majors as well as minors. Bulger's Hole was quiet, but I could see where water from Bulger's major eruption was leaching to a point a foot or two before the hole. Then the water rode on top of the ground and dripped into the hole. Grotto had a nice long marathon on Saturday. I saw two Oblongs from Castle & Grand that had nice visible bursts. They weren't the tallest I've seen, but they were enjoyably high. I saw Sawmill a couple of times, but Tardy was erupting often. On Sunday, we saw both Penta and Churn during our wait for Grand. Monday morning, Sawmill's run-off channel had snow in it. On Saturday, we had what we think was a Vent delay at Grand. (We couldn't see Vent clearly with all of the steam, but Grand's pool was very high with waves that made us think it was ready.) On Sunday afternoon we had a Turban delay (along with Rift - 1545ie and off between 1706 & 1717). That worked out okay, though, because the weather cleared a bit and we had some sun for Grand. Terra Cotta was active all three days. On Saturday, I walked out to Fountain. Jet's run-off channel was dry, and the run-off channel from Super Frying Pan was a little damp. I could see water in Fountain, but I don't think that it was as high as it was last year just before an eruption. (Being vertically challenged, I'm not the best judge of the water there!) Morning's Thief showed no signs that it had erupted recently. I was pleasantly surprised when suddenly Fountain began it's eruption (1529)! I watched for Morning's Thief, but I didn't see it. Super Frying Pan did erupt during Fountain, but Jet stayed quiet. Twig was at 1555ns, and Twig paused as Fountain ended at 1600. (Fountain's duration was 31 minutes.) Morning kept it's water longer than I think was usual, and finally started dropping slowly after almost 15 minutes. The area around Morning's Thief still looked dry. Fan & Mortar are still sleeping. The energy was at Beauty Pool. The signs are in place at Giant. On both Sunday & Monday, I saw Bijou already in a pause, but it started again within the minute. Hope to see you there soon! Polly Panos From wolveslax65 at comcast.net Wed Apr 24 08:21:17 2013 From: wolveslax65 at comcast.net (Will Boekel) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:21:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] T-Shirt Message-ID: <66C81BD585EC44EA82A70D09DFB4C7D4@WillPC> Gazers, Micah and I got the idea to do a GOSA shirt for this year. We got permission to use the GOSA Logo for the front and we need help with what to put for the positive saying on the back and if someone wants to make a drawing of a geyser for the back (1 color) that can be given to me as a jpeg that we use. Also we are still working out some of the details on the distribution and payment collection (maybe the GOSA store would be willing to help?????) but that's for a later time. So please comment in this survey if you have an idea for the saying on the back or if you are going to want a shirt so we can get an idea of how big our order will be and that will decide what price rate we will get as it is based on the number of shirts ordered. Thanks! 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Even some of the medium size geysers have had years of dormancy. I'm not going to try to give a complete answer but here are some items from Marler's Inventory about some of the dormancies. Beehive: In addition to summers in the past 25 years with days and even weeks between eruptions, here's some information about selected years from Marler--although he admitted there may have been additional eruptions he had not learned about, in 1954 he only found 8 eruption; 1961 9; 1962 5; 1963 3 and 1965 5. Castle: Here's what Marler said: Unlike Riverside's and Old Faithful's, Castle's function since discovery has been marked with periods of dormancy and variations in its patterns of play. If during its early known history there were any approach in regularity it was not recognized by observers before the 1940's. Available records indicate that during the past score of years Castle has not only erupted with greater frequency, but the pattern of its activity makes the eruptions predictable with reasonable accuracy. Daisy: Per Marler: During Daisy's known history its performance has ranged from great regularity, through great irregularity, to dormancy. I believe Marler's actions one year attempting to rejuvenate Daisy were viewed with displeasure by the Park Service. Fan & Mortar: Marler--"The scanty record of Fan and Mortar since the 1890s reveals long periods of dormancy." Fountain (and Morning) --(Maureen--don't cringe when you read this): Marler-- During part of 1899, and until late in the season Fountain was dormant due to its eruptive energy having shifted to a nearby spring. [the nearby spring was probably Morning.] During part of 1900's second decade Fountain was seldom observed erupting. Following the 1920s I know of no authentic record of an eruption of Fountain until the 1947 season. From the late 1930s until 1947 I am personally aware that none occurred. The cause of dwindling activity and then complete cessation is unknown. From 1947 to 1954 Fountain's eruptions continued to come as a sequence to eruptions of Morning and Clepsydra. None were known to be independent. See Rocco Paperiello's article in Transaction IV for more extensive history of Fountain (and Morning). Giant--See various Transactions articles and charts in The Sput for Giant's history.Giantess--See prior listserv post and there will be an article in the June issue of the Sput (unless I push the article off to a later issue. Genean has had an article on Beehive's Seasonality that I keep pushing off for various reasons.) Grand--Yes, it has had seasons of long intervals. Marler: From 1927 on through the 1930's and most of the 1940's there was a general increase in the length of Grand's intervals, with seasonal fluctuations. Between 1930 and 1947 the seasonal average ranged between about 20 and 44 hours; the extreme intervals being 12 and 120 hours. I think I've also read something about Marler's intervention with Vent/Turban/Grand. Lion: For example, Marler wrote: "Following the 1951 season the frequency with which Lion went into an active phase began to decrease. Seldom more than two active phases occurred during a week. By 1955 active phases were occurring not oftener than once a week. Sometimes eruptions [within the active phase] were over 3 hours apart. During the 1958 season eruptions were seldom observed, but they were frequent the previous winter." Even Sawmill has had years of dormancy or near dormancy. Marler: During 1963 it was in a state of near dormancy. But few eruptions were observed during that year. Surprisingly 1964 through 1966 witnessed a return to near pre-1963 activity. However, from mid-June 1967 for the remainder of the season Sawmill was dormant. At the beginning of the 1968 season conditions about the crater were indicative that the dormancy of 1967 had persisted through the following winter. Some rejuvenation occurred in late July 1968. However, it was mid-season in 1969 before any activity was observed. The frequency of the eruptions seemed to increase as the season progressed. I'm not even going to go into Big Cub, Excelsior, Lioness, Sapphire, Steamboat, Union, etc. Lynn Stephens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, that might be a source of relief to some of the gazers who only get to the Park in mid-late summer when Aurum has tended to have its really long intervals during the past two decades. Lynn Stephens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130426/de09dd3e/attachment-0001.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 26 07:40:32 2013 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:40:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] And a few geysers seen on the webcam Message-ID: Depression: Marler--Prior to the earthquake I had observed but few eruptions; they were of infrequent occurrence. Steady overflow characterized it most of the time. Dome: Marler--"Prior to my own there is but one known reference to this spring. "The pool on the high mound is a geyser altho [sic] not often seen in eruption. It plays with much power and its eruptions are like those of a miniature Giantess" (Phillips, 1927, p. 143). >From the time of the above writing until 1959 there is no evidence of Dome ever having erupted."Grotto: This paragraph from Marler may be the source of the myth that Grotto was dormant when Giant was active in the early 1950s: During the early part of the 1952 season I became aware that there was a noticeable decline of activity in the Grotto Group. Following this observation Grotto was given special focus as a possible cause of Giant's increase in activity. It soon became apparent that a pronounced sympathy existed between the two groups. An eruption of Giant acted as a precursor to an eruption of Grotto, whose eruption came about 45 minutes following the start of Giant. Except for a series of 3 or 4 eruptions of about 40 minutes duration, coming as a sequence to an eruption of Giant, Grotto was in large measure dormant during the 1952 season. A few times Grotto erupted when the quiet phase of Giant was about 48 hours old. With but two observed exceptions, this was an unfailing herald of a delayed eruption of Giant. The eruptions of Grotto which occurred during the quiet phase of Giant preceded an eruption of Giant by about 10 hours. On two occasions, the exceptions alluded to above, instead of the eruption of Grotto delaying Giant, they both erupted near simultaneously. Little Squirt: Prior to 1959 it had been very irregular in its action. During most seasons no eruptions were observed. Oblong: Not completely dormant but from mid-1993 through mid 1996 there were only a few eruptions. On the other hand, Micah will be glad to know I haven't found any references indicating there have been any periods of dormancy exhibited by Anemone. OK, that's all I'm posting on this topic. Maybe someone wants to write an article for The Sput or Transactions. (If someone does take me up on this suggestion, please let me know and I'll remove the idea from my "idea" file.) Lynn Stephens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130426/f2391f63/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 17:48:09 2013 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] And a few geysers seen on the webcam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you so much, Lynn, for this valuable information. Great write up, and it serves as a good reminder that changes happen often in the geyser basins, and what you see erupt regularly today may not be erupting in a month, a year or even later the same season (in 2005, Fan & Mortar went dormant three weeks before my trip to the park). In hopes Splendid will return someday... Much appreciated. Pat Snyder From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Apr 26 18:30:06 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Geysers taken for granted Message-ID: Let it be noted that Old Faithful belongs on the list of geysers with known dormancies -- at least one. The description by Ferris in the 1830s describes several geysers but notably nothing that could be Old Faithful. And in fact, although there were rather few visitors to the Upper Basin during the mid-1800s, there were some, and there is NO description of an Old Faithful eruption until 1864. Not to mention the silicified wood within the cone formation, and other such proofs of inactivity. Scott Bryan In a message dated 4/26/2013 5:34:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, lstephens2006 at hotmail.com writes: Someone posted on the old faithful webcam chat page: "Lynn's recent listserv discussion on Giantess intervals has lead me into thinking of geysers in terms of decades and centuries. Most of the big geysers have extended dormancies. And I started wondering what geysers we might be taking for granted today." Short answer: The only "major" geysers that don't seem to have periods of dormancy are Great Fountain, Old Faithful, and Riverside. Even some of the medium size geysers have had years of dormancy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130426/74bac2ba/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Apr 27 15:23:22 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Puchuldiza Message-ID: <146a62.4f22661f.3eada9da@aol.com> I found this online, regarding Puchuldiza, Chile. Note the last paragraph. Which perhaps can be translated as "Oh, well." Scott Bryan --------------- Chilean Greenfield Project LOCATION The Puchuldiza geothermal concession is located in Region I (Tarapaca) of northern Chile. The geothermal prospect is located in a broad valley at 4300 m elevation in the Chilean Altiplano, to the south of the Volc?n Isluga National Park. The naturally-occurring hot springs and geyser field at Puchuldiza are a popular tourist attraction. However, the main ?geothermal? feature is actually man-made: an old mining exploration well drilled in the late 1980s produces flowing hot water which cools upon hitting the air and forms snow and ice. GEOTHERMAL EXPLORATION Puchuldiza is one of the best and most well-documented geothermal prospects in South America. Puchuldiza has been the subject of two major geothermal exploration efforts: one in the early 1970s by CORFO, with New Zealander and Japanese technical assistance, and a second in 2007-2008 by SERNAGEOMIN. These studies produced an extensive set of geologic, geochemical, and geophysical data, eight temperature gradient wells, and six intermediate depth slim holes. A small 20 kW pilot power plant operated at the field in 1978, producing from a shallow, low temperature hydrothermal aquifer. The known shallow h ydrothermal system has measured reservoir temperatures of about 160?C, with geothermometry temperature estimates of 240 to 275?C for deeper parts of the system. This probable deep reservoir has yet to be proven, but is likely to have the potential to produce more than 75 MW of power, making Puchuldiza one of the largest geothermal resources in Chile. In November 2008, GGE Chile (and its predecessor Geotermia del Pac?fico) launched an extensive surface reconnaissance campaign which included mapping geologic features, collecting water and gas samples for geochemical analysis, and conducting AMT geophysical surveys. In September 2009, GGE Chile was awarded two geothermal concessions at Puchuldiza, totaling 15,000 acres. GGE Chile continued the surface reconnaissance campaign at the Puchuldiza concession in early 2010, conducting isotope geochemistry, structural geology analysis and detailed geophysical surveys. As a result of the GGE and MRP transaction in February 2013, Puchuldiza is now owned by MRP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130427/d1f6f8fd/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Apr 27 16:06:53 2013 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Ixtlan eruption Message-ID: <16f4fe.2b5dd12a.3eadb40c@aol.com> I had not previously come across info regarding a rather large "explosion" of one of the geothermal wells at Ixtlan de los Hervores, Michoacan, Mexico. Took place on May 7, 2011. See attached jpg photo, copyrighted by ixtlandeloshervores.net. 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NBC's morning Today Show will be in Yellowstone, apparently broadcasting live, probably on May 21 (during that week, anyhow). Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130429/3ad8ee54/attachment.html> From johnwarnock at msn.com Mon Apr 29 09:35:00 2013 From: johnwarnock at msn.com (JOHN WARNOCK) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:35:00 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Geysers taken for granted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great set of articles Lynn. My first Beehive was in 1964 or 65. I also wonder about the eruptive cycles on a basin wide basis. Look at the thermal output in 1996-1998, in particular 1997...what a summer that was. The same seems to be true in the early 1950's after a rather sluggish late 1940's. The 1960's also were quite active, much of that had to do with the 1959 earthquake that "shook" things up. The '70's as I recall seemed to be less active but by the early 1980's there again seemed to be an increase in overall activity. Look at today, without Giant, Giantess, Splendid, F&M (which seem to be slipping back into their cyclical dormancy we seem to be in a period of lower activity.) What causes these apparent cycles? Could this huge magma pool beneath our feet be "breathing"? With each inhale the magma rises, and with exhale it sinks? Just my silly mind wandering where it probably has no business going; my observations are only what I have noticed over the years. The actual facts in the written records would probably dispell my notions. John Warnock From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:14:27 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geysers taken for granted THIS INFORMATION IS FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV AND IS NOT TO BE REPRODUCED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE, INCLUDING PUBLICATION IN THE SPUT: Someone posted on the old faithful webcam chat page: "Lynn's recent listserv discussion on Giantess intervals has lead me into thinking of geysers in terms of decades and centuries. Most of the big geysers have extended dormancies. And I started wondering what geysers we might be taking for granted today." Short answer: The only "major" geysers that don't seem to have periods of dormancy are Great Fountain, Old Faithful, and Riverside. Even some of the medium size geysers have had years of dormancy. I'm not going to try to give a complete answer but here are some items from Marler's Inventory about some of the dormancies. Beehive: In addition to summers in the past 25 years with days and even weeks between eruptions, here's some information about selected years from Marler--although he admitted there may have been additional eruptions he had not learned about, in 1954 he only found 8 eruption; 1961 9; 1962 5; 1963 3 and 1965 5. Castle: Here's what Marler said: Unlike Riverside's and Old Faithful's, Castle's function since discovery has been marked with periods of dormancy and variations in its patterns of play. If during its early known history there were any approach in regularity it was not recognized by observers before the 1940's. Available records indicate that during the past score of years Castle has not only erupted with greater frequency, but the pattern of its activity makes the eruptions predictable with reasonable accuracy. Daisy: Per Marler: During Daisy's known history its performance has ranged from great regularity, through great irregularity, to dormancy. I believe Marler's actions one year attempting to rejuvenate Daisy were viewed with displeasure by the Park Service. Fan & Mortar: Marler--"The scanty record of Fan and Mortar since the 1890s reveals long periods of dormancy." Fountain (and Morning) --(Maureen--don't cringe when you read this): Marler-- During part of 1899, and until late in the season Fountain was dormant due to its eruptive energy having shifted to a nearby spring. [the nearby spring was probably Morning.] During part of 1900's second decade Fountain was seldom observed erupting. Following the 1920s I know of no authentic record of an eruption of Fountain until the 1947 season. From the late 1930s until 1947 I am personally aware that none occurred. The cause of dwindling activity and then complete cessation is unknown. From 1947 to 1954 Fountain's eruptions continued to come as a sequence to eruptions of Morning and Clepsydra. None were known to be independent. See Rocco Paperiello's article in Transaction IV for more extensive history of Fountain (and Morning). Giant--See various Transactions articles and charts in The Sput for Giant's history. Giantess--See prior listserv post and there will be an article in the June issue of the Sput (unless I push the article off to a later issue. Genean has had an article on Beehive's Seasonality that I keep pushing off for various reasons.) Grand--Yes, it has had seasons of long intervals. Marler: From 1927 on through the 1930's and most of the 1940's there was a general increase in the length of Grand's intervals, with seasonal fluctuations. Between 1930 and 1947 the seasonal average ranged between about 20 and 44 hours; the extreme intervals being 12 and 120 hours. I think I've also read something about Marler's intervention with Vent/Turban/Grand. Lion: For example, Marler wrote: "Following the 1951 season the frequency with which Lion went into an active phase began to decrease. Seldom more than two active phases occurred during a week. By 1955 active phases were occurring not oftener than once a week. Sometimes eruptions [within the active phase] were over 3 hours apart. During the 1958 season eruptions were seldom observed, but they were frequent the previous winter." Even Sawmill has had years of dormancy or near dormancy. Marler: During 1963 it was in a state of near dormancy. But few eruptions were observed during that year. Surprisingly 1964 through 1966 witnessed a return to near pre-1963 activity. However, from mid-June 1967 for the remainder of the season Sawmill was dormant. At the beginning of the 1968 season conditions about the crater were indicative that the dormancy of 1967 had persisted through the following winter. Some rejuvenation occurred in late July 1968. However, it was mid-season in 1969 before any activity was observed. The frequency of the eruptions seemed to increase as the season progressed. I'm not even going to go into Big Cub, Excelsior, Lioness, Sapphire, Steamboat, Union, etc. Lynn Stephens _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20130429/5dd265fe/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 07:12:26 2013 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Brief information about "false" Beehive Indicators Message-ID: THIS REPORT IS FOR THE USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV AND IS NOT TO BE REPRODUCED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE, INCLUDING PUBLICATION IN THE SPUT. There was a "false Indicator" yesterday with some ensuing discussion about Beehive's false indicators on the OF webcam chat page. From 1989 through 2012 the only seasons with frequent mid-cycle or false eruptions of Beehive's Indicator were 1994, 1998, 1999, and 2010. The season with the fewest eruptions of Beehive was the summer of 1994. There were frequent independent eruptions of the Indicator. Beehive probably only erupted 6 times in July, 1 time in August, and 1 time in September before Beehive started erupting regularly again after the October 1-2 eruption of Giantess. In 1998 when there were independent eruptions of the Indicator, there were 27 reported eruptions of Beehive in July, 17 in August, 10 in September. Beehive resumed "daily" eruptions in mid-October. We also had frequent independent eruptions of the Indicator in 1999 when Beehive had a few 10-12 day intervals, but did Beehive did manage to have 9 reported eruptions in July, 11 in August, and 12 in September. In 2010, despite frequent reports of mid-cycle or false indicators, and some slight irregularity in mid June-early July when Beehive was "erratic" with intervals as "long" as 36 hours, the independent activity from Beehive's Indicator did not result in intervals of days between eruptions of Beehive. For more information, see my article about Beehive's Indicator in Volume XII of The Transactions. The other period of "dormancy" for Beehive since the late 1980s occurred in fall 1989 through early spring 1990. Lynn Stephens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynn Stephens From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Brief information about "false" Beehive Indicators THIS REPORT IS FOR THE USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV AND IS NOT TO BE REPRODUCED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE, INCLUDING PUBLICATION IN THE SPUT. There was a "false Indicator" yesterday with some ensuing discussion about Beehive's false indicators on the OF webcam chat page. From 1989 through 2012 the only seasons with frequent mid-cycle or false eruptions of Beehive's Indicator were 1994, 1998, 1999, and 2010. The season with the fewest eruptions of Beehive was the summer of 1994. There were frequent independent eruptions of the Indicator. Beehive probably only erupted 6 times in July, 1 time in August, and 1 time in September before Beehive started erupting regularly again after the October 1-2 eruption of Giantess. In 1998 when there were independent eruptions of the Indicator, there were 27 reported eruptions of Beehive in July, 17 in August, 10 in September. Beehive resumed "daily" eruptions in mid-October. We also had frequent independent eruptions of the Indicator in 1999 when Beehive had a few 10-12 day intervals, but did Beehive did manage to have 9 reported eruptions in July, 11 in August, and 12 in September. In 2010, despite frequent reports of mid-cycle or false indicators, and some slight irregularity in mid June-early July when Beehive was "erratic" with intervals as "long" as 36 hours, the independent activity from Beehive's Indicator did not result in intervals of days between eruptions of Beehive. For more information, see my article about Beehive's Indicator in Volume XII of The Transactions. The other period of "dormancy" for Beehive since the late 1980s occurred in fall 1989 through early spring 1990. 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