From upperbasin at comcast.net Tue Apr 3 19:58:20 2012 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:58:20 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Weird sentenc in Mother Jones In-Reply-To: <1abea.4b884fea.3ca09e3e@aol.com> References: <1abea.4b884fea.3ca09e3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <4EA2FF4591EC4A62ADCD6AA128B08984@grand> I just read an article in the online journal Breakthrough that included a claim that used a citation in Mother Jones for corroboration. I had never heard anything about this. "Three hundred Shoshone Indians were killed in a single day during the expulsion from Yellowstone." Mother Jones itself only uses the same statement, without any additional info. I have no idea what they are talking about. Yeah, I know.. Mother Jones. consider the source. Anyone? Paul Strasser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Graber From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Strasser Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:58 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: [Geysers] Weird sentenc in Mother Jones I just read an article in the online journal Breakthrough that included a claim that used a citation in Mother Jones for corroboration. I had never heard anything about this. "Three hundred Shoshone Indians were killed in a single day during the expulsion from Yellowstone." Mother Jones itself only uses the same statement, without any additional info. I have no idea what they are talking about. Yeah, I know.... Mother Jones... consider the source. Anyone? Paul Strasser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yellowstone National Park (ID,MT,WY) Passing Of Ranger Gary Nelson Gary Nelson, a long-time Yellowstone law enforcement ranger, passed away unexpectedly on April 4th. Gary suffered a fatal heart attack while stopped along the West Entrance Road in the park last Wednesday morning. He was just 56 years old. Gary was born in Salem, Oregon, in 1955 and graduated from Oregon State University. Gary's love of photography and elk drew him to Yellowstone in the late 1970's, and he began working at the Hamilton Stores in 1979 to "support his photography habit" according to his brother Rick Nelson. Gary began his NPS Yellowstone career in 1982 as a seasonal laborer. Between 1982 and 2012, he worked as a laborer, maintenance worker, general park ranger, and dispatcher, and in 1994 became a law enforcement ranger. Gary only left Yellowstone one time in his 30 year career, which was when he took a temporary position as a lead forestry technician at the Natchez Trace in 1991 for three months. Gary worked in many park locations through the years, but spent significant amounts of time in the Grant Village, Old Faithful and Madison areas of the park. Gary was a fixture in Yellowstone and known for his love of underwater diving, his stories about warm trips to tropical dive locations in the middle of the long Yellowstone interior winters, his hunting escapades along the Grassy Lake Road, his expertise with servicing weapons for park staff, and his extensive knowledge and history of Yellowstone. Gary is survived by his brother, Rick Nelson, and Rick's wife Sue, by his many friends and "Yellowstone Family," by his sister Susan Nelson, and by his constant companion - his dog "Cooper." A celebration and remembrance of Gary's life and influence on Yellowstone will be held on Saturday April 14th at 10 a.m. in the Madison Amphitheater. A traditional "Ranger Potluck" luncheon will follow the remembrance at the Old Faithful Visitor Education Center. In lieu of flowers, Rick Nelson requests that donations be made to the Yellowstone Park Foundation (222 East Main St., Suite 301, Bozeman, MT 59715 or www.ypf.org) in Gary's honor to continue their unwavering support of rangers' efforts to protect Yellowstone. Condolences can be sent to Rick Nelson and his family at 55010 Lazy River West, Sun River, OR 97707. [Submitted by Bonnie Schwartz, Deputy Chief Ranger] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120415/be1afa67/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 15 07:55:07 2012 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:55:07 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] geyser-heated poultry house (Stephens) Message-ID: I'm working on another article for The Sput. As I was reading through some items from Yellowstone Nature Notes, I came across a reference to a "geyser-heated poultry house maintained by the winter keeper of the Inn" in an article written by Ranger Charles Phillips. (The article appeared in the February 28, 1927 edition of Yellowstone Nature Notes; April 12, 1927 Phillips was found dead on the floor of his cabin at the Old Faithful Station, apparently from eating water hemlock.) Does anyone have or know where I can find information on the "geyser-heated poultry house?" (I skimmed through Les Quinn's "Old Faithful Village Timeline" but didn't see a reference to the poultry house.) Thanks. Lynn Stephens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(The article appeared in the February 28, 1927 edition of Yellowstone Nature Notes; April 12, 1927 Phillips was found dead on the floor of his cabin at the Old Faithful Station, apparently from eating water hemlock.) Does anyone have or know where I can find information on the "geyser-heated poultry house?" (I skimmed through Les Quinn's "Old Faithful Village Timeline" but didn't see a reference to the poultry house.) Thanks. Lynn Stephens = _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120417/85fd1045/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The building was still in place until at least 1939 since it was shown on the 1939 Master Plan. {Source: The Evolution of the Cultural Landscape in Yellowstone National Park's Upper Geyser basin and the changing Visitor Experience, 1892-1990" Master's Thesis by Karl John Bryand.} Brand listed some of the other buildings built in association with the hotels in the UGB, including a privy for the shack hotel, and a comment by Assistant superintendent weimer that the "outhouse's location could be more discreet...and that the hotel grounds were 'utterly intolerable for a dog' because they were constantly littered with trash and other debris." Brand discusses housing and laundry facilities for use by employees that were built by the hotel; and says "the Hotel company added other smaller structures." In addiition to a small caretaker's quarters, two separate engineers' quarters, the company buillt a "carpenter and paint shop, pipe shot, tailor shop, broiler house and power plane, a hose house, and a larger boler room/laundry." Unfortunately, I couldn't find any mention of the "geyser-heated poultry house" in Brand's thesis. LynnFrom: TSBryan at aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:47:51 -0400 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] geyser-heated poultry house (Stephens) I don't think this photo (attached) is the "poultry house," but it certainly was heated by thermal water. I do not remember my source but it was listed as a greenhouse and was somewhere in the Myriad Group (more or less behind the modern lower station, I think). Scott Bryan In a message dated 4/15/2012 5:43:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, lstephens2006 at hotmail.com writes: I'm working on another article for The Sput. As I was reading through some items from Yellowstone Nature Notes, I came across a reference to a "geyser-heated poultry house maintained by the winter keeper of the Inn" in an article written by Ranger Charles Phillips. (The article appeared in the February 28, 1927 edition of Yellowstone Nature Notes; April 12, 1927 Phillips was found dead on the floor of his cabin at the Old Faithful Station, apparently from eating water hemlock.) Does anyone have or know where I can find information on the "geyser-heated poultry house?" (I skimmed through Les Quinn's "Old Faithful Village Timeline" but didn't see a reference to the poultry house.) Thanks. Lynn Stephens = _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Les Inafuku and I walked up there one day. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Stephens To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Greenhouse Note--The author of "The Evolution of ..." is Bryand, as I typed it in the citation, not Brand, as I typed it in the last line. Lynn Stephens ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120419/c9224c5b/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Thu Apr 19 22:49:05 2012 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:49:05 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Lodgings? Message-ID: <4F90F8D0.5040003@xmission.com> We managed to snag some pricier accommodations for our trips for 4th of July week and the week of August 12. Does anyone have extra days they might not be using in Old Faithful's more modest lodgings or have any recommendations for West? The 4th is predicatbly tight, and there's some event that's tying up rooms till about August 15. Any help would be appreciated. Finances a little tighter than usual this year... Karen Webb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120419/ff7a142b/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 20 11:54:55 2012 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] FW: BYRAND not BRYAND In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: With my track record, I'll type it wrong again, so I'll just forward Lee's message to make certain it's correct. Lynn > Subject: BYRAND not BRYAND > To: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com > From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:46:16 -0600 > > > Lynn---No, not BRYAND. It is BYRAND. > Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120420/7795f0b0/attachment.html> From jakefrisbee at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 21:08:52 2012 From: jakefrisbee at yahoo.com (Jacob Young) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] North Goggles Major and Goggles Spring -- 4/22/2012 @ 1950 Message-ID: <1335240532.52907.YahooMailNeo@web114710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello, I visited Yellowstone this past weekend with my girlfriend Diana for my first ever Old Faithful opening weekend and was able to witness a major eruption of North Goggles that was accompanied by a bursting eruption of Goggles Spring. I've posted a video here:?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGyFoLNaI2U&feature=youtu.be? The eruption started within 2 minutes of Lion Geyser finishing its (at least) 18th eruption in a series. ?Both North Goggles and Goggles were boiling continuously about 2 inches below overflow and North Goggles was rising into 4-6 inch boils (sometimes a foot!) every 30 seconds or so when we arrived just minutes before Lion's eruption at 1945. North Goggles certainly looked ready to erupt. ?This activity continued during Lion's eruption and afterwards until one of the bigger boils built into the eruption. ?The setting sun came out from behind the clouds on the horizon and cast a beautiful light on this spectacular eruption and we were the only ones there to enjoy it! ?I feel very lucky to have been there for what will surely be a much sought-after event for all gazers this season! I know very little about The Goggles, but I know Goggles Spring eruptions are rare. ?I seem to recall talk of Goggles Spring once erupting over the boardwalk, which it didn't do this time, but you can see in the video that it was "belching" water to 5 feet or so from somewhere down inside the cone. ?Graham Meech has commented that Goggles Spring may have been active during a previous North Goggles major this spring as seen on the webcam so I suspect this event might be becoming a little more common. Lion had another major eruption an hour later at 2047 on its first roar and it didn't struggle one bit to erupt as it sometimes can do. ?The Goggles had been rumbling at depth for at least 10 minutes after their eruption, but were quiet now and had almost no steam. ?I don't know if that was the end of the Lion series or not, but I left feeling satisfied. Happy Gazing, Jake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Karen Webb On 4/23/2012 10:08 PM, Jacob Young wrote: > Hello, > I visited Yellowstone this past weekend with my girlfriend Diana for > my first ever Old Faithful opening weekend and was able to witness a > major eruption of North Goggles that was accompanied by a bursting > eruption of Goggles Spring. > > I've posted a video here: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGyFoLNaI2U&feature=youtu.be > > > The eruption started within 2 minutes of Lion Geyser finishing its (at > least) 18th eruption in a series. Both North Goggles and Goggles were > boiling continuously about 2 inches below overflow and North Goggles > was rising into 4-6 inch boils (sometimes a foot!) every 30 seconds or > so when we arrived just minutes before Lion's eruption at 1945. North > Goggles certainly looked ready to erupt. This activity continued > during Lion's eruption and afterwards until one of the bigger boils > built into the eruption. The setting sun came out from behind the > clouds on the horizon and cast a beautiful light on this spectacular > eruption and we were the only ones there to enjoy it! I feel very > lucky to have been there for what will surely be a much sought-after > event for all gazers this season! > > I know very little about The Goggles, but I know Goggles Spring > eruptions are rare. I seem to recall talk of Goggles Spring once > erupting over the boardwalk, which it didn't do this time, but you can > see in the video that it was "belching" water to 5 feet or so from > somewhere down inside the cone. Graham Meech has commented that > Goggles Spring may have been active during a previous North Goggles > major this spring as seen on the webcam so I suspect this event might > be becoming a little more common. > > Lion had another major eruption an hour later at 2047 on its first > roar and it didn't struggle one bit to erupt as it sometimes can do. > The Goggles had been rumbling at depth for at least 10 minutes after > their eruption, but were quiet now and had almost no steam. I don't > know if that was the end of the Lion series or not, but I left feeling > satisfied. > > > > Happy Gazing, > Jake > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120424/42022cdf/attachment.html> From jeff.cross at utah.edu Tue Apr 24 05:11:11 2012 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:11:11 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] North Goggles Major and Goggles Spring -- 4/22/2012 @ 1950 In-Reply-To: <1335240532.52907.YahooMailNeo@web114710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1335240532.52907.YahooMailNeo@web114710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A434F0@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Is North Goggles throwing out debris? In 1994(?), I was intrigued by some rocks I found lying next to the trail in front of North Goggles. At first, I thought that they were pieces of asphalt that some thoughtless person had thrown into the geyser, and which the geyser had recently thrown out during a major eruption. Since the rocks were close enough to the trail to pick up, I thought that perhaps they should be removed to prevent another thoughtless person from throwing them back into North Goggles. With the rocks in hand, I was about to hurl them into the woods when I noticed that they weren't asphalt at all. They were made of obsidian sand cemented by sinter. Since I cannot think of any place on or near Geyser Hill where these rocks are exposed at the surface, it's possible that the rocks were thrown out of North Goggles, and that they originated in strata buried deeply beneath the surface. I've always wondered what the boundary between the deepest sinter and the bedrock of Geyser Hill looks like. This was the surface across which the first hot spring waters flowed when Geyser Hill began to form. Today, that surface is doubtless buried deep beneath the surface. But how deep? It's also occurred to me that the sinter-bedrock plane could be a good place to form a large, open cavity that could serve as a geyser reservoir, and that the ejection of rocks from this level would be a process that would form such a cavity. It could explain groups of geysers like the Pink Cone Group, where all the geyser eruptions seem to be of similar magnitude. Perhaps the sinter in the Pink Cone Group is of uniform thickness, and the geysers that erupt from vents in that sinter all have reservoirs at the same depth, specifically at the location where the sinter meets the bedrock? Notably, a reservoir lying at the junction of the sinter and the bedrock cannot be invoked in all cases. Steamboat Geyser is a notable example of a geyser that erupts directly from the bedrock, and many other similar examples exist to demonstrate that thick layers of sinter are not necessary for a geyser's plumbing system to form. Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] on behalf of Jacob Young [jakefrisbee at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:08 PM To: 'Geyser Reports' Subject: [Geysers] North Goggles Major and Goggles Spring -- 4/22/2012 @ 1950 Hello, I visited Yellowstone this past weekend with my girlfriend Diana for my first ever Old Faithful opening weekend and was able to witness a major eruption of North Goggles that was accompanied by a bursting eruption of Goggles Spring. I've posted a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGyFoLNaI2U&feature=youtu.be The eruption started within 2 minutes of Lion Geyser finishing its (at least) 18th eruption in a series. Both North Goggles and Goggles were boiling continuously about 2 inches below overflow and North Goggles was rising into 4-6 inch boils (sometimes a foot!) every 30 seconds or so when we arrived just minutes before Lion's eruption at 1945. North Goggles certainly looked ready to erupt. This activity continued during Lion's eruption and afterwards until one of the bigger boils built into the eruption. The setting sun came out from behind the clouds on the horizon and cast a beautiful light on this spectacular eruption and we were the only ones there to enjoy it! I feel very lucky to have been there for what will surely be a much sought-after event for all gazers this season! I know very little about The Goggles, but I know Goggles Spring eruptions are rare. I seem to recall talk of Goggles Spring once erupting over the boardwalk, which it didn't do this time, but you can see in the video that it was "belching" water to 5 feet or so from somewhere down inside the cone. Graham Meech has commented that Goggles Spring may have been active during a previous North Goggles major this spring as seen on the webcam so I suspect this event might be becoming a little more common. Lion had another major eruption an hour later at 2047 on its first roar and it didn't struggle one bit to erupt as it sometimes can do. The Goggles had been rumbling at depth for at least 10 minutes after their eruption, but were quiet now and had almost no steam. I don't know if that was the end of the Lion series or not, but I left feeling satisfied. Happy Gazing, Jake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <#/attachments/20120424/f4044469/attachment.html> From greinstein at prodigy.net Wed Apr 25 13:50:06 2012 From: greinstein at prodigy.net (Gary Einstein) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:50:06 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Quick weekend trip In-Reply-To: <6836546.1335322587149.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6836546.1335322587149.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4F98637E.4020801@prodigy.net> Thanks for the detailed report Gary Einstein On 4/24/2012 7:56 PM, Polly Panos wrote: > Hello Everyone! > > My husband and I were lucky enough to be able to make a quick trip > to the park for the opening weekend. I spent all day Saturday and > part of the day Sunday in the Old Faithful area. > The lack of snow in the basin was surprising. The boardwalks were > clear, except for a little snow on the bridge near the cabins. (There > may also have been snow on the path between Sawmill & Lion, but I > didn't travel that way.) The Firehole River was full, but I didn't > think that it looked high. The weather was chilly in the mornings, > but quickly warmed. On Saturday, the wind was a bit cold at times, > but by Sunday I was wishing that I had brought some lighter clothing! > The birds were back and enjoying the sunshine! In the basin, I > saw a pair of sandhill cranes, along with bluebirds, robins, geese, > mallards, red-wing blackbirds, ravens, an osprey and some very noisy > killdeer. I didn't see any eagles during my trip. > The eagle's nest by Riverside Drive looks to be in need of > repair. It seemed to be unoccupied, but on the drive out I saw a > goose sitting in it again. Whiskey Flats was Whiskey Lake, as it > often is this time of year. We saw no carcasses anywhere between > West Yellowstone and Old Faithful. The bear that was at Old Faithful > on Sunday was the only one that we saw. My husband saw a fox chasing > a rabbit near Biscuit Basin, and Kitt and I saw a snowshoe hare near > the same area. > Many of the geyser eruptions have already been entered into Geyser > Times from other gazers that were also in the park and by relays to vw > (who very kindly entered them). I'll go back later & see what else I > can add. > Grand intervals were running on the early half of the window. > West Triplet, Percolator, and Rift were active. All three Grands that > I saw were 1 burst (although one of them tried valiantly to do a > second), but they were beautiful in the sunlight! One of them was a > Grand start, and Turban took a full minute before it joined in. The > marmots are out. During one of the morning waits, a very loud and > shrill marmot alarm was sounded. As we watched carefully to see what > the danger was, a coyote finally poked out from the trees. No marmot > breakfast this time, however! The Oblong that we watched from Grand > Saturday morning was nice and large. > Kitt and I spent Saturday afternoon on Geyser Hill. Beehive > apparently had a very large splash (reported to be 15' plus) sometime > between noon and 1:00, and also some large splashes an hour or two > later. Then it was fairly quiet until it started splashing nicely > again just a few minutes before we had water in the Indicator. At one > point during the wait for Beehive, I watched North Goggles Geyser and > Goggles Spring periodically overflow and pulse. I timed one interval > for the overflow at about 10 minutes, and the pulsing lasted about 3 > minutes before it drained. I also saw Sponge Geyser produce a thin > spray of water a few inches high on two occasions. > Fan & Mortar looked the same as Carolyn L's last description. I > didn't stay to watch cycles. The signs were in place at Giant. > The big news, of course, was the bear on Sunday. It was a large, > dark grizzly, with markings similar to The Bison Killer (Preacher > Bear), but not as distinct. It sounds like the rangers believed it to > be the offspring of The Bison Killer. We were at Grand when > Beehive's Indicator started. We had a low pool and Turban started > just about the time that the Indicator was confirmed. We started > hustling, wondering if we should go to the hill. Just past Tardy, > though, the bear came out from near Castle and started walking toward > the meadow between Lion and the Inn. He spent several minutes roaming > around and foraging, and finally found something good to dig up and > eat next to Beehive's overlook path. (We watched Beehive near Liberty > Pool, just before the trees.) The rangers were with people at the > Old Faithful benches, and at one point we heard them hitting > sticks/boards together to let the bear know that they were there. > After that, the bear went into the trees near Blue Star Spring, and > apparently bedded down for a few minutes near the bridge that is by > the cabins. Later I heard that he was up and moving, but I did not > see him again. I heard that the area from Sulphide Spring over toward > the Old Faithful benches was closed for a time while the bear was > there, but people seemed to be moving through there later after the > bear had moved. > Even though it was a quick trip, it felt great to be in the park > again! > > Hope to see many of you there this summer! > Polly Panos > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120425/831612a2/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Apr 25 14:09:54 2012 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] North Goggles Major and Goggles Spring -- 4/22/2012 @ 1950 Message-ID: <495d3.274e2481.3cc9c222@aol.com> A portion of what Jeff Cross wrote regarding the depth of UGB/Geyser Hill sinter, the location of possible reservoirs, and etc., is as follows: I've always wondered what the boundary between the deepest sinter and the bedrock of Geyser Hill looks like. This was the surface across which the first hot spring waters flowed when Geyser Hill began to form. Today, that surface is doubtless buried deep beneath the surface. But how deep? It's also occurred to me that the sinter-bedrock plane could be a good place to form a large, open cavity that could serve as a geyser reservoir, and that the ejection of rocks from this level would be a process that would form such a cavity. In reply, I submit this: I sincerely doubt that there are reservoirs of any size located at or near the "boundary" between surface sinter and any underlying sediments. Reason: that interface is simply not "buried deep beneath the surface." In all known cases, the thickness of sinter is only a few feet (when there is any at all). (As for the case in point around North Goggles Geyser, I'd bet the thickness is a handful of feet at most and there most definitely is no reservoir there.) I submit the data (only for holes actually drilled within thermal areas in the Firehole Basins), taken from White, et al. ("Physical Results of Research Drilling...", USGS Professional Paper 892): Hole number/location/sinter thickness in feet/underlying strata Carnegie 1 (Fenner, 1929)/Myriad Group/~7 (20 according to Allen and Day)/cemented and altered sand and gravel Y-1/ Black Sand (Whistle)/11.5/obsidian rich sediment, generally zeolitized and cemented Y-2/Firehole Lake/33.5 including travertine/altered sand, gravel and tuff Y-3/Ojo Caliente/none/altered silt, sand and gravel Y-4/Nez Perce quarry/none/rhyolite flow at surface Y-5/Rabbit Creek (old dump)/none/sand and gravel Y-7/Biscuit parking, north end/5.5/partly altered and cemented silt, sand and gravel Y-8/Biscuit near Rusty/~5/cemented sand and gravel Y-13/Porcupine Hills/7/glacial sand and gravel The balance of evidence is that there are NO large, open reservoirs anywhere in a geyser's system. Certainly, there are some more-or-less open channels, but apparently most of a geyser's (indeed, a thermal area's) "reservoir" is permeable rock that can be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of feet below the surface. Scott Bryan P.S. And definitely, thanks for the video, Jake. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120425/7e40af57/attachment.html> From rflieb at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 14:10:27 2012 From: rflieb at yahoo.com (robert lieb) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] opening weekend videos References: <6836546.1335322587149.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1335388227.83454.YahooMailNeo@web39301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> North Goggles minors:? http://youtu.be/WHcZNYAfBpg Grizzly Bear and Beehive:? http://youtu.be/ulqF6R92Lhc Both from Sunday. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120425/854029bc/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Wed Apr 25 16:07:40 2012 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Facebook geyser report Message-ID: <005401cd2338$36c62b30$a4528190$@net> Thanks for the video post Jake and geyser report from Polly. I hope others will get some time to report on what is going on in the park too. On Facebook, Yellowstone Tour Guides posted that there's a new geyser on the edge of "Cinnamon Spouter" in Black Sand Basin. Anything else interesting on the first weekend? Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120425/72973c50/attachment.html> From brdavis at iusb.edu Thu Apr 26 12:47:46 2012 From: brdavis at iusb.edu (Davis, Brian L.) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:47:46 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Size & depth of geyser 'resevoirs' Message-ID: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410D878AB@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> I do tend to agree that the contact layer between the sinter and the underlying alluvium is shallow (this is visible on Geyser Hill as the simple fact that it is not a towering structure rising far above the surroundings on all sides). But there is the question of what might develop along the underlying (and deeper) alluvium/bedrock contact. > The balance of evidence is that there are NO large, open > reservoirs anywhere in a geyser's system. Certainly, there > are some more-or-less open channels, but apparently most > of a geyser's (indeed, a thermal area's) "reservoir" is permeable > rock that can be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of feet below > the surface. I think we need to figure out in this context what the difference is between "large open reservoirs" and "more-or-less open channels". Most geysers do not appear to be very deep beneath their vent (Steamboat being one of the deepest, and notable in that regard). And given the volumes of water ejected by some (Giant, Oblong), if the immediate reservoir is not deep, it must have either a very high porosity, or have an unwieldy horizontal extent. So perhaps the question is "how open, and how spacious". Without some numbers... we're just throwing around poorly-defined words. Note that the ejection velocities and the flux ejected (different measurements) might provide some constraints on this. The pressure at the erupting surface can be no more than hydrostatic for that depth, and the flow has to follow some form of Darcy flow (which has a *very* strong dependance on pipe size). You have to make some assumptions about the network feeding the conduit, but... huh... well, you could assume a fractal network with a certain branching ratio... Oh, rats, you guys just gave me something else to think about. :) We also know that macroscopic structures in the conduit systems do, indeed, vary a lot from geyser to geyser. If all geysers had a nice uniform branching structure springing from a central conduit, then the behavior of each would be very similar. Things like multi-burst geysers, or geysers with major/minor behavior, would not be expected to have the same conduit structure (or they would have the same eruptive style). -- Brian Davis From jeff.cross at utah.edu Thu Apr 26 20:05:56 2012 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:05:56 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos Message-ID: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A43686@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on Wikipedia. Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. 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Name: YELL-Steamboat Eruption Keller.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 30496 bytes Desc: YELL-Steamboat Eruption Keller.jpg URL: <#/attachments/20120427/54d81268/attachment-0005.jpg> From conanvandt at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 21:38:53 2012 From: conanvandt at yahoo.com (Eric Hatfield) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Size & depth of geyser 'resevoirs' In-Reply-To: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410D878AB@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> References: <1FCABEC700A2F646A37E66F5897142F410D878AB@IU-MSSG-MBX102.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <1335501533.94689.YahooMailNeo@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't have much disagreement with any of this except for the very last bit. That very different behaviors don't arise from similar structures is false. In my modest geyser model building experience, I was always amazed that I could produce multiple bursts (a seemingly complex behavior for flash boiling water) from a simple straight smooth tube. No reservoir, no nothing, just a long tube. That same tube, which usually produced a bubbling eruption into a few inches, could also produce a rare, random "super," which would blast its entire contents onto the ceiling leaving the system almost empty. Occasionally, this would explode the tube, putting an end to the model. All from a boring, straight, smooth, unobstructed tube. ________________________________ From: "Davis, Brian L." To: "geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: [Geysers] Size & depth of geyser 'resevoirs' I do tend to agree that the contact layer between the sinter and the underlying alluvium is shallow (this is visible on Geyser Hill as the simple fact that it is not a towering structure rising far above the surroundings on all sides). But there is the question of what might develop along the underlying (and deeper) alluvium/bedrock contact. > The balance of evidence is that there are NO large, open > reservoirs anywhere in a geyser's system. Certainly, there > are some more-or-less open channels, but apparently most > of a geyser's (indeed, a thermal area's) "reservoir" is permeable > rock that can be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of feet? below > the surface. I think we need to figure out in this context what the difference is between "large open reservoirs" and "more-or-less open channels". Most geysers do not appear to be very deep beneath their vent (Steamboat being one of the deepest, and notable in that regard). And given the volumes of water ejected by some (Giant, Oblong), if the immediate reservoir is not deep, it must have either a very high porosity, or have an unwieldy horizontal extent. So perhaps the question is "how open, and how spacious". Without some numbers... we're just throwing around poorly-defined words. Note that the ejection velocities and the flux ejected (different measurements) might provide some constraints on this. The pressure at the erupting surface can be no more than hydrostatic for that depth, and the flow has to follow some form of Darcy flow (which has a *very* strong dependance on pipe size). You have to make some assumptions about the network feeding the conduit, but... huh... well, you could assume a fractal network with a certain branching ratio... Oh, rats, you guys just gave me something else to think about. :) We also know that macroscopic structures in the conduit systems do, indeed, vary a lot from geyser to geyser. If all geysers had a nice uniform branching structure springing from a central conduit, then the behavior of each would be very similar. Things like multi-burst geysers, or geysers with major/minor behavior, would not be expected to have the same conduit structure (or they would have the same eruptive style). -- Brian Davis _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120426/2c82a509/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Apr 28 07:28:15 2012 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos Message-ID: <3dedc.3b8ae561.3ccd587f@aol.com> Don't know about the first two, but methinks the third photo is by William (Bill) Keller, not Mike? Scott Bryan In a message dated 4/27/2012 4:59:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jeff.cross at utah.edu writes: Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120428/026a1ca4/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Sat Apr 28 13:21:57 2012 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (JOChapple) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:21:57 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos In-Reply-To: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A43686@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> References: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A43686@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Message-ID: <8A7318F7-6AC9-4D4F-BAEC-E396D665B398@earthlink.net> To Jeff and Scott and others who are interested: I'm surprised and a little puzzled that Scott says the third Steamboat photo found by Jeff on the Internet was taken by William Keller. In 2008 I paid Bruce Chase for that photo for the third edition of Yellowstone Treasures, assuming, of course, that he had taken it. The picture appears on page 231 of my book and should, at least, be credited to the right person. May 23, 2005 was the date of the eruption, as given to me. Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct anything erroneous in my guidebook. Janet Chapple ------- On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: > I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on Wikipedia. > > Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. > > I like these photographs because they show the violence of the eruption, and also the tremendous volume of water that is being thrown out. > > Enjoy, > > Jeff Cross > jeff.cross at utah.edu<448px-Steamboat_Geyser_Major_Eruption_in_2005.jpg><800px-Major_eruption_on_May_23,_2005.jpg>_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm no meteorologist, but I'm skeptical about whether that that's long enough for both the mostly-overcast sky of the first two photos and the mostly clear sky of the third. Anyway, the third photo was attributed to Mike Keller in this article: http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2010/11/some-it-hot-interview-yellowstone-national-parks-geyser-guru-mike-keller7261. If that's accurate, that would make it the Sept. 16, 1984 eruption. David Schwarz On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM, JOChapple wrote: > >> To Jeff and Scott and others who are interested: >> >> I'm surprised and a little puzzled that Scott says the third Steamboat >> photo found by Jeff on the Internet was taken by William Keller. In 2008 I >> paid Bruce Chase for that photo for the third edition of *Yellowstone >> Treasures*, assuming, of course, that he had taken it. The picture >> appears on page 231 of my book and should, at least, be credited to the >> right person. May 23, 2005 was the date of the eruption, as given to me. >> >> Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct anything >> erroneous in my guidebook. >> >> Janet Chapple >> ------- >> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: >> >> I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on >> Wikipedia. >> >> Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third >> photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the >> file. >> >> I like these photographs because they show the violence of the eruption, >> and also the tremendous volume of water that is being thrown out. >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Jeff Cross >> jeff.cross at utah.edu<448px-Steamboat_Geyser_Major_Eruption_in_2005.jpg> >> <800px-Major_eruption_on_May_23,_2005.jpg>> Keller.jpg>_______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of JOChapple Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:22 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos To Jeff and Scott and others who are interested: I'm surprised and a little puzzled that Scott says the third Steamboat photo found by Jeff on the Internet was taken by William Keller. In 2008 I paid Bruce Chase for that photo for the third edition of Yellowstone Treasures, assuming, of course, that he had taken it. The picture appears on page 231 of my book and should, at least, be credited to the right person. May 23, 2005 was the date of the eruption, as given to me. Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct anything erroneous in my guidebook. Janet Chapple ------- On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: I found the three attached photographs on the internet. &nbs p;Two were on Wikipedia. Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. I like these photographs because they show the violence of the eruption, and also the tremendous volume of water that is being thrown out. Enjoy, Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu<448px-Steamboat_Geyser_Major_Eruption_in_2005.jpg><800px-Major_eruption_on_May_23,_2005.jpg>_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct anything erroneous in my guidebook. Janet Chapple ------- On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on Wikipedia. Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120430/b68d545c/attachment.html> From diggerfieldmouse at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 17:48:43 2012 From: diggerfieldmouse at gmail.com (Andiy Wagner) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:48:43 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos In-Reply-To: References: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A43686@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> <8A7318F7-6AC9-4D4F-BAEC-E396D665B398@earthlink.net> Message-ID: LOL...i didn't notice that. Scary. ummm On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 8:24 PM, David Schwarz wrote: > > The 2005 eruption of Steamboat reportedly lasted 15 minutes. I'm no > meteorologist, but I'm skeptical about whether that that's long enough for > both the mostly-overcast sky of the first two photos and the mostly clear > sky of the third. > > Anyway, the third photo was attributed to Mike Keller in this article: > http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2010/11/some-it-hot-interview-yellowstone-national-parks-geyser-guru-mike-keller7261. > If that's accurate, that would make it the Sept. 16, 1984 eruption. > > David Schwarz > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM, JOChapple wrote: >> >>> To Jeff and Scott and others who are interested: >>> >>> I'm surprised and a little puzzled that Scott says the third Steamboat >>> photo found by Jeff on the Internet was taken by William Keller. In 2008 I >>> paid Bruce Chase for that photo for the third edition of *Yellowstone >>> Treasures*, assuming, of course, that he had taken it. The picture >>> appears on page 231 of my book and should, at least, be credited to the >>> right person. May 23, 2005 was the date of the eruption, as given to me. >>> >>> Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct >>> anything erroneous in my guidebook. >>> >>> Janet Chapple >>> ------- >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: >>> >>> I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on >>> Wikipedia. >>> >>> Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third >>> photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the >>> file. >>> >>> I like these photographs because they show the violence of the eruption, >>> and also the tremendous volume of water that is being thrown out. >>> >>> Enjoy, >>> >>> Jeff Cross >>> jeff.cross at utah.edu<448px-Steamboat_Geyser_Major_Eruption_in_2005.jpg> >>> <800px-Major_eruption_on_May_23,_2005.jpg>>> Keller.jpg>_______________________________________________ >>> Geysers mailing list >>> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Geysers mailing list >>> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120430/fc509e7a/attachment-0001.html> From ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 18:30:57 2012 From: ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com (Ruth & Leslie Quinn) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:30:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos References: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A43686@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> <8A7318F7-6AC9-4D4F-BAEC-E396D665B398@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0933F229C9FC49B6BD9ACC6D663C947B@YOUR0D4968B766> Janet et al., I know Bruce Chase, and know he is proud of the fact that he saw a major eruption of Steamboat in 2005, and of the photographs he took of the same. He is an honest and honorable man, Janet, and if he provided you with a photograph that he says he took, he took it. Leslie Quinn ----- Original Message ----- From: JOChapple To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos To Jeff and Scott and others who are interested: I'm surprised and a little puzzled that Scott says the third Steamboat photo found by Jeff on the Internet was taken by William Keller. In 2008 I paid Bruce Chase for that photo for the third edition of Yellowstone Treasures, assuming, of course, that he had taken it. The picture appears on page 231 of my book and should, at least, be credited to the right person. May 23, 2005 was the date of the eruption, as given to me. Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct anything erroneous in my guidebook. Janet Chapple ------- On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on Wikipedia. Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. I like these photographs because they show the violence of the eruption, and also the tremendous volume of water that is being thrown out. Enjoy, Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu<448px-Steamboat_Geyser_Major_Eruption_in_2005.jpg><800px-Major_eruption_on_May_23,_2005.jpg>_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120430/1c0da19c/attachment-0001.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Mon Apr 30 19:44:33 2012 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (JOChapple) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Steamboat Photos In-Reply-To: References: <2604B8196B0E664F828AD7BD46C307DE09A43686@X-MB2.xds.umail.utah.edu> <8A7318F7-6AC9-4D4F-BAEC-E396D665B398@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The plot thickens. The National Parks Traveler's pic caption only says "Courtesy of Mike Keller," not that he took it or that it was in 1984. There is no detail in the website pic that differs from the one in my book. Could our GOSA president please speak up? Thanks, Janet Chapple -------- On Apr 29, 2012, at 7:24 PM, David Schwarz wrote: > > The 2005 eruption of Steamboat reportedly lasted 15 minutes. I'm no meteorologist, but I'm skeptical about whether that that's long enough for both the mostly-overcast sky of the first two photos and the mostly clear sky of the third. > > Anyway, the third photo was attributed to Mike Keller in this article: http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2010/11/some-it-hot-interview-yellowstone-national-parks-geyser-guru-mike-keller7261. If that's accurate, that would make it the Sept. 16, 1984 eruption. > > David Schwarz > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM, JOChapple wrote: > To Jeff and Scott and others who are interested: > > I'm surprised and a little puzzled that Scott says the third Steamboat photo found by Jeff on the Internet was taken by William Keller. In 2008 I paid Bruce Chase for that photo for the third edition of Yellowstone Treasures, assuming, of course, that he had taken it. The picture appears on page 231 of my book and should, at least, be credited to the right person. May 23, 2005 was the date of the eruption, as given to me. > > Any further comments would be appreciated. I try hard to correct anything erroneous in my guidebook. > > Janet Chapple > ------- > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: > >> I found the three attached photographs on the internet. Two were on Wikipedia. >> >> Can anyone identify the photographer(s)? I will assume that the third photograph was taken by Mike Keller, since his name is associated with the file. >> >> I like these photographs because they show the violence of the eruption, and also the tremendous volume of water that is being thrown out. >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Jeff Cross >> jeff.cross at utah.edu<448px-Steamboat_Geyser_Major_Eruption_in_2005.jpg><800px-Major_eruption_on_May_23,_2005.jpg>_______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20120430/3ae1b066/attachment-0001.html>