From cbeverly777 at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 06:18:17 2011 From: cbeverly777 at gmail.com (carol beverly) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 06:18:17 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar - Report from the Other Side (Young) In-Reply-To: <1317405247.35731.YahooMailNeo@web114704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1317405247.35731.YahooMailNeo@web114704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To Jake: Standing ovation....long round of applause to smiling faces!!! This is one of the most creative, stream of conscious, description of an event cycle... that i have read!!! Love it and a HOOO-YA to you!! much thanks Carol Beverly On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Jacob Young wrote: > I had a great trip to Yellowstone in September. I got to see Giantess > erupt for the first time along with Tilt's Baby, Churn and Vault (4 new (to > me) UGB geysers in one day!). > > Despite my nearly-best efforts, a Fan and Mortar eruption eluded me. > Perhaps it was the sleep deprivation or spending enough time alone with the > "Pile of Rocks," but somehow I ended up with this report from Tuesday, Sep > 27, 2011 > > From Fan & Mortar, Sep 27, 2011: > > ~2030 > > *Yawn* Ahhh, I see the sun has gone down. It feels good to be waking up > after running around all day. I feel like I accomplished nothing all day! > I had so much to do that I was just all over the place, but that nap has > really made me focused and refreshed! > > 2033 > > My bench-sitting friends were gone, but here comes someone new! Oh, it's > Jake! He likes to spend time with me at night. He seems really interested > in what I have to say! I'm so glad he's here! > > 2035 > > Jake's getting something out of his backpack. Oh no, I HATE this part.... > > 2036 > > Do you REALLY have to shine that thing in my eyes? C'mon, I'm just waking > up and it's really annoying! > > 2040 > > Seriously, I'm getting angry! > > 2044 > > STOP IT! Ahhh, finally you turned turned that thing off. Oh, and now > you're getting on the radio to talk to your friends. That's kind of rude > since I'm right here. Oh, right, you're trying to get more people to come > here to see me. Thanks! > > 2049 > > That yelling tired me out for a while, but I'm back. > > 2054 > > Do you feel a cold draft coming from off the river? Excuse me for a moment > while I go close the window. > > 2056 > > Ahhh, much better don't you think? I'm starting to feel really powerful > now, but I can still talk to you without feeling so cold. > > 2057 > > It's fun to wave at you with my right foot, too! Have you noticed? I > really enjoy waving then stopping for a few seconds and give a big shout. I > feel so strong! > > 2105 > > WOW, is it ever hot in here! I better go open that back window. > > 2106 > > Hey! Where are you going? Why are you walking down to the bridge? To > look at my back side! That's very embarrassing. I already told you that I > opened the back window to let the cool air in! OK, you're coming back > now...just don't leave me! I'm feeling quite good now. Yelling makes me > feel great and relaxed. > > 2107 > > So much energy now! I've got to let it out! I'm going to go take a view > of the river then come out up high to say 'Hi' again. > > 2113 > > The view from the river is nice, but it's even better from up here! I've > got two place to take in the view from up here. How are you doing Jake? > You seem tense and excited. Oh yeah, talk to your friends again...but where > are they? I'm just getting started! > > 2116 > > See, I can wave my left hand up here too! How about we play peek-a-boo for > awhile...that'll be fun! > > 2126 > > OK, enough peek-a-boo. I'm really ready to take in the view. Wow, it > looks amazing from up here. I should go higher. WOW! Look at that! I can > see more and more the higher I climb. > > 2130 > > Hi, Jake! Look at me! I'm getting up to about as tall as you are. > There's no stopping me now. Ha ha, yes, dance Jake, DANCE!! We'll dance > together! It's been a while since I had so much fun!!! > > 2131 > > WAIT! WHERE ARE YOU GOING?????!? Why are you packing up all your things? > Where are you going??? You're leaving, no, you're RUNNING across the > bridge!!! Why?! Don't leave me! It gets so lonely out here. I was having > so much fun I could explode, but, you leave me NOW? I...I, I don't know > what to say anymore. > > 2132 > > *Sob* *sniffle* *sniffle* > > 2133 > > *Sniffle* OH! You're back. You went off to change your clothes?? Are you > trying to impress me? Well, I didn't think you were coming back. It > doesn't matter. It's over. You hurt me, Jake, and I just don't feel like > having fun anymore. I'm sorry it's come to this. > > 2144 > > I'm going to the basement to drink. Drink my sorrows away. See you in a > couple days, if you're lucky... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111001/db827e9d/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 1 08:00:41 2011 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:00:41 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cyanobacteria In-Reply-To: <270b3.54654f85.3bb72e4a@aol.com> References: <270b3.54654f85.3bb72e4a@aol.com> Message-ID: Or like the man in 1988 who told his son that the orange in the runoff channels at Fountain Paint Pots was deposits from the fires. Lynn From: TSBryan at aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:38:03 -0400 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 That's sort of like the man who, a few years ago, told his family that Plume was so hot that the lava was still glowing. He was, of course, referring to the cyanobacteria. Scott In a message dated 9/30/2011 4:47:07 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jimscheir at aol.com writes: 2. A few minutes later a father came by with his son and on seeing steam coming out of Beehive told the son "Look how hot it is. It is so hot that at night you can see it glow red." _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111001/28f674c7/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Sat Oct 1 12:17:09 2011 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Two videos Message-ID: <1317496629.24849.2.camel@dhcppc0> I've uploaded two new videos. Today's Beehive with a rainbow at the top And a quick video of Strokkur geyser. Turn on the volume. I'll be uploading more from Iceland in the future. Dave From caros at xmission.com Sat Oct 1 18:57:51 2011 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:57:51 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar - Report from the Other Side (Young) In-Reply-To: References: <1317405247.35731.YahooMailNeo@web114704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E87C51F.1030102@xmission.com> Seconding this sentiment. What a fun write-up! The summer Hillside was active, I truly wanted to write an article for the Sput based on the stages of grief. We'd gotten there good and early in case it went at the 21 hour mark and got one of its longer intervals, so we sat for a while. And you really do go through denial ("This is *not* happening!") through anger ("Come on, you %^&*($#@ geyser, GO already"), depression ("Oh, good, screwed up another sit and this geyser will [sob] never erupt again"), bargaining ("PUH-LEEZ erupt. I'll give up sweets for a year if you erupt in the next two minutes!") and finally acceptance ("OK, let's get out the books and games. We knew it could be a long sit...") Usually when you reach the latter, the geyser takes pity and shows signs of life. With all the weird intervals at Artemesia in the past years, I've gone through this a lot whether I find a low, refilling pool, early overflow, or later overflow with what looks like a few hours' worth of good viewing weather before me. The fluidity and speed of the 5 stages of grief can be fast: for a low, refilling pool something like "Oh $%^&* we *could* have been here for it, you stupid geyser. oh (tears) another time we've missed it, maybe if we built a time machine we could go back and time" followed by "Oh, hey, really, this does mean we can sort of project when a good time to come back is, and this is a *good* thing." All within about a minute of thought and discussion. Karen Webb On 10/1/2011 7:18 AM, carol beverly wrote: > To Jake: Standing ovation....long round of applause to smiling > faces!!! This is one of the most creative, stream of conscious, > description of an event cycle... that i have read!!! Love it and a > HOOO-YA to you!! > much thanks > Carol Beverly > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Jacob Young > wrote: > > I had a great trip to Yellowstone in September. I got to see > Giantess erupt for the first time along with Tilt's Baby, Churn > and Vault (4 new (to me) UGB geysers in one day!). > > Despite my nearly-best efforts, a Fan and Mortar eruption eluded > me. Perhaps it was the sleep deprivation or spending enough time > alone with the "Pile of Rocks," but somehow I ended up with this > report from Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 > > From Fan & Mortar, Sep 27, 2011: > > ~2030 > > *Yawn* Ahhh, I see the sun has gone down. It feels good to be > waking up after running around all day. I feel like I > accomplished nothing all day! I had so much to do that I was just > all over the place, but that nap has really made me focused and > refreshed! > > 2033 > > My bench-sitting friends were gone, but here comes someone new! > Oh, it's Jake! He likes to spend time with me at night. He seems > really interested in what I have to say! I'm so glad he's here! > > 2035 > > Jake's getting something out of his backpack. Oh no, I HATE this > part.... > > 2036 > > Do you REALLY have to shine that thing in my eyes? C'mon, I'm > just waking up and it's really annoying! > > 2040 > > Seriously, I'm getting angry! > > 2044 > > STOP IT! Ahhh, finally you turned turned that thing off. Oh, and > now you're getting on the radio to talk to your friends. That's > kind of rude since I'm right here. Oh, right, you're trying to > get more people to come here to see me. Thanks! > > 2049 > > That yelling tired me out for a while, but I'm back. > > 2054 > > Do you feel a cold draft coming from off the river? Excuse me for > a moment while I go close the window. > > 2056 > > Ahhh, much better don't you think? I'm starting to feel really > powerful now, but I can still talk to you without feeling so cold. > > 2057 > > It's fun to wave at you with my right foot, too! Have you > noticed? I really enjoy waving then stopping for a few seconds > and give a big shout. I feel so strong! > > 2105 > > WOW, is it ever hot in here! I better go open that back window. > > 2106 > > Hey! Where are you going? Why are you walking down to the > bridge? To look at my back side! That's very embarrassing. I > already told you that I opened the back window to let the cool air > in! OK, you're coming back now...just don't leave me! I'm > feeling quite good now. Yelling makes me feel great and relaxed. > > 2107 > > So much energy now! I've got to let it out! I'm going to go take > a view of the river then come out up high to say 'Hi' again. > > 2113 > > The view from the river is nice, but it's even better from up > here! I've got two place to take in the view from up here. How > are you doing Jake? You seem tense and excited. Oh yeah, talk to > your friends again...but where are they? I'm just getting started! > > 2116 > > See, I can wave my left hand up here too! How about we play > peek-a-boo for awhile...that'll be fun! > > 2126 > > OK, enough peek-a-boo. I'm really ready to take in the view. > Wow, it looks amazing from up here. I should go higher. WOW! > Look at that! I can see more and more the higher I climb. > > 2130 > > Hi, Jake! Look at me! I'm getting up to about as tall as you > are. There's no stopping me now. Ha ha, yes, dance Jake, > DANCE!! We'll dance together! It's been a while since I had so > much fun!!! > > 2131 > > WAIT! WHERE ARE YOU GOING?????!? Why are you packing up all your > things? Where are you going??? You're leaving, no, you're RUNNING > across the bridge!!! Why?! Don't leave me! It gets so lonely > out here. I was having so much fun I could explode, but, you > leave me NOW? I...I, I don't know what to say anymore. > > 2132 > > *Sob* *sniffle* *sniffle* > > 2133 > > *Sniffle* OH! You're back. You went off to change your clothes?? > Are you trying to impress me? Well, I didn't think you were > coming back. It doesn't matter. It's over. You hurt me, Jake, > and I just don't feel like having fun anymore. I'm sorry it's > come to this. > > 2144 > > I'm going to the basement to drink. Drink my sorrows away. See > you in a couple days, if you're lucky... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111001/e097f38b/attachment-0001.html> From caros at xmission.com Sat Oct 1 18:58:31 2011 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:58:31 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cyanobacteria In-Reply-To: References: <270b3.54654f85.3bb72e4a@aol.com> Message-ID: <4E87C547.7080005@xmission.com> ROTFLMAO!!! Karen Webb On 10/1/2011 9:00 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > Or like the man in 1988 who told his son that the orange in the runoff > channels at Fountain Paint Pots was deposits from the fires. > > Lynn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: TSBryan at aol.com > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:38:03 -0400 > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 > > That's sort of like the man who, a few years ago, told his family that > Plume was so hot that the lava was still glowing. He was, of course, > referring to the cyanobacteria. > Scott > In a message dated 9/30/2011 4:47:07 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > jimscheir at aol.com writes: > > 2. A few minutes later a father came by with his son and on seeing > steam coming out of Beehive told the son "Look how hot it is. It > is so hot that at night you can see it glow red." > > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111001/ef8137aa/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Oct 1 19:28:04 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 Message-ID: I do not have any of the data here, but I do know that Rick Hutchinson used to monitor the river temperature all the way from Old Faithful (probably upstream from there) to Madison. My mental recollection is that in late summer he obtained temperatures in the low 80s Fahrenheit in the Lower Basin above Nez Perce Creek, temperatures in the 70s downstream from Nez Perce. Scott Bryan In a message dated 10/1/2011 6:18:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, kreeves5 at cox.net writes: I myself have never swam in the Firehole river, but I have seen many swimming below Firehole Cascades (well above Firehole Falls), and I have placed my hand in the water there. It sure felt much less than 110 degrees F. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111001/ae181b62/attachment.html> From lisa.fisher at alumni.mines.edu Sun Oct 2 14:20:20 2011 From: lisa.fisher at alumni.mines.edu (lisa fisher) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:20:20 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cyanobacteria In-Reply-To: <4E87C547.7080005@xmission.com> References: <270b3.54654f85.3bb72e4a@aol.com> <4E87C547.7080005@xmission.com> Message-ID: One more story? On a similar note, several years ago on geyser hill, I heard a woman tell her daughter (pointing at the geysers, then the runoff channels) that "these are volcanoes, and here's the lava flowing out of them" Lisa Fisher On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Karen Webb wrote: > ROTFLMAO!!! > Karen Webb > > > On 10/1/2011 9:00 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > > Or like the man in 1988 who told his son that the orange in the runoff > channels at Fountain Paint Pots was deposits from the fires. > > Lynn > > ------------------------------ > From: TSBryan at aol.com > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:38:03 -0400 > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 > > That's sort of like the man who, a few years ago, told his family that > Plume was so hot that the lava was still glowing. He was, of course, > referring to the cyanobacteria. > > Scott > > In a message dated 9/30/2011 4:47:07 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > jimscheir at aol.com writes: > > 2. A few minutes later a father came by with his son and on seeing steam > coming out of Beehive told the son "Look how hot it is. It is so hot that at > night you can see it glow red." > > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing listGeysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111002/67c8b511/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Sun Oct 2 19:42:58 2011 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (JOChapple) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The water temperature at the swimming hole below Firehole Cascades, that is, along Firehole Canyon Drive, is about 75 degrees F., which corresponds to Scott's recollection. Janet Chapple ---------- On Oct 1, 2011, at 7:28 PM, wrote: > I do not have any of the data here, but I do know that Rick Hutchinson used to monitor the river temperature all the way from Old Faithful (probably upstream from there) to Madison. My mental recollection is that in late summer he obtained temperatures in the low 80s Fahrenheit in the Lower Basin above Nez Perce Creek, temperatures in the 70s downstream from Nez Perce. > > Scott Bryan > > In a message dated 10/1/2011 6:18:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, kreeves5 at cox.net writes: > I myself have never swam in the Firehole river, but I have seen many swimming below Firehole Cascades (well above Firehole Falls), and I have placed my hand in the water there. It sure felt much less than 110 degrees F. > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111002/ea30fc09/attachment.html> From lescopes at comcast.net Tue Oct 4 08:50:59 2011 From: lescopes at comcast.net (lescopes at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1623607391.384840.1317743459409.JavaMail.root@sz0100a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I hesitate to admit it, but as kids in the old days -- late 50's, early 60's, when rules were less strict -- my siblings and I spent many hours wading in the Firehole River while our parents waited for Oblong and Grand with Mr. Marler. We never suffered any burns! Leslie Scopes ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOChapple" To: "Geyser Observation Reports" Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 7:42:58 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar 9/28/2011 The water temperature at the swimming hole below Firehole Cascades, that is, along Firehole Canyon Drive, is about 75 degrees F., which corresponds to Scott's recollection. Janet Chapple ---------- On Oct 1, 2011, at 7:28 PM, < TSBryan at aol.com > < TSBryan at aol.com > wrote: I do not have any of the data here, but I do know that Rick Hutchinson used to monitor the river temperature all the way from Old Faithful (probably upstream from there) to Madison. My mental recollection is that in late summer he obtained temperatures in the low 80s Fahrenheit in the Lower Basin above Nez Perce Creek, temperatures in the 70s downstream from Nez Perce. Scott Bryan In a message dated 10/1/2011 6:18:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, kreeves5 at cox.net writes:
I myself have never swam in the Firehole river, but I have seen many swimming below Firehole Cascades (well above Firehole Falls), and I have placed my hand in the water there. It sure felt much less than 110 degrees F. _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu
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This is a problem because I'm beginning to believe that the online geyser logs are our best opportunity to preserve and distribute visually observed geyser times. The OFVEC logbook has gotten sparse. Reports to the geyser list or on Facebook are extremely sparse, to say the least. People seem to be using the online logs. So I have two questions I'd like to hear opinions about. 1) How important are the online logs to capturing geyser information? 2) How do we minimize errors in that log? I know the ultimate decisions affecting the online logs are up to Jake and Alan, but I'm wondering what others think. The links to the online logs are GeyserTimes.org Geyser.Net Mobile If you haven't been to GeyserTimes recently, Jake has added some nice features including some data reduction capabilities. Dave On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 02:02 -0700, David Monteith wrote: > Someone posted Giant on GeyserTimes.org at 0250 Tuesday morning > 10/11/11. I would love to hear more. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Oct 11 15:30:40 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Online logs Message-ID: <53c56.41aa0828.3bc61d90@aol.com> See below... In a message dated 10/11/2011 9:03:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dmonteit at comcast.net writes: 1) How important are the online logs to capturing geyser information? One needs to carefully ponder this. Clearly, we'd like to have every eruption of every geyser logged someplace. Obviously, that's impossible. However, within the limits of how many people are making observations at a given time, seasonal openings-closings, day-night, and etc., it would be nice to have what geyser information is available in any form readily AND conveniently available to all. That "conveniently" is, to me, a bug-a-boo. Jake mentions how smart phones will be the next big thing in gazing and geyser reporting. Fine. If you have a smart phone. I don't, and I am rather sure to not have one in the foreseeable future. (I'm not about to pay yet another $250+/year for "data service" on top of all the other charges I'm already paying. Just not worth it. So much for that. 2) How do we minimize errors in that log? In essence, you can't. There have been faulty geyser reports a huge number of times in the past. It happens every summer, with frequency. Usually, this is somebody's simple and unintentional error, and usually they quickly get corrected. But even those, if relayed to an online log and if not corrected, then they will be out there as "fact," presumably "forever." And yes, there have been occasional liars. People who intentionally produce/post completely false data/information. Such people exist. They will exist in the future, too. 3) [[not asked by Dave, but...]] I know the ultimate decisions affecting the online logs are up to Jake and Alan, but I'm wondering what others think. What I wonder is... wouldn't one of these logs be sufficient, especially since they appear to be readily sharing/exchanging data. Yes, I know they are both personal projects and all that, but... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111011/e3d378cd/attachment.html> From megj at nwlink.com Tue Oct 11 17:10:01 2011 From: megj at nwlink.com (Meg Justus) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:10:01 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] interesting photos of a geyser in Nevada Message-ID: <1C2943B64B2148E9ABEC344848DA3A76@meg5b8d941e0ac> Or, at least that's what the blogger in question is calling it: http://www.kuriositas.com/2010/12/fly-geyser-not-quite-of-this-world.html The photos are fairly incredible. Meg Repeating History, "A GRAND yarn you can't put down." Janet Chapple, author of Yellowstone Treasures http://mmjustus.com/fictionrepeatinghistory.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111011/8987d726/attachment.html> From S_Krause at mchsi.com Tue Oct 11 17:28:58 2011 From: S_Krause at mchsi.com (Steven Krause) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:28:58 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Giant? In-Reply-To: <1318348889.17394.19.camel@dhcppc0> References: <1318323779.23676.2.camel@dhcppc0> <1318348889.17394.19.camel@dhcppc0> Message-ID: <4E94DF4A.7010500@mchsi.com> When looking at data of unknown overall quality, at work we employ a couple techinques to cut the noise level down and increase the confidence in the data without having to resort to statistical techniques that don't apply to very small data samples. They're pretty simple. The biggest hazard here would be the risk of offending potentially valuable contributors. A> Require an ID. Could be anything - doesn't matter as long as it's a unique ID to the poster. Yes, this creates additional headache, but good data is worth it, right? B> "Behind the scenes" there is a confidence level assigned to that ID. 100% for an acknowledged accurate observer. Less than that for a casual observer. Lowest for a previously unknown. C> Don't post low grade observations publically until a couple days after when there's been a chance to confirm them. Liars are looking to create a stir, and the inability to instantly gratify their need may be enough to discourage goofy stuff like this. The downside, obviously, is that the whole thing just became more of a chore to manage which may be enough of an argument against it. SRK On 10/11/2011 11:01 AM, David Monteith wrote: > Thank you Karen for checking Giant this morning. > > This is what she found. > > Karen? "Giant definitely did not erupt. All 5 log signs in position" > > This is not the first "hoax" post to the online geyser log. This is a > problem because I'm beginning to believe that the online geyser logs are > our best opportunity to preserve and distribute visually observed geyser > times. The OFVEC logbook has gotten sparse. Reports to the geyser list > or on Facebook are extremely sparse, to say the least. People seem to > be using the online logs. So I have two questions I'd like to hear > opinions about. > > 1) How important are the online logs to capturing geyser information? > > 2) How do we minimize errors in that log? > > I know the ultimate decisions affecting the online logs are up to Jake > and Alan, but I'm wondering what others think. > > The links to the online logs are > GeyserTimes.org > Geyser.Net Mobile > > If you haven't been to GeyserTimes recently, Jake has added some nice > features including some data reduction capabilities. > > Dave > > On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 02:02 -0700, David Monteith wrote: >> Someone posted Giant on GeyserTimes.org at 0250 Tuesday morning >> 10/11/11. I would love to hear more. >> >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> -- Steven Krause Chillicothe, IL From upperbasin at comcast.net Tue Oct 11 18:18:32 2011 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:18:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] interesting photos of a geyser in Nevada In-Reply-To: <1C2943B64B2148E9ABEC344848DA3A76@meg5b8d941e0ac> References: <1C2943B64B2148E9ABEC344848DA3A76@meg5b8d941e0ac> Message-ID: <6A8CD9C4AFF04EC0A474CFF940DA0186@grand> It is called Fly Ranch Geyser, and is both manmade and a perpetual spouter. Heinrich, Suzanne and I visited it in the 80s and it is larger but essentially the same. Paul Strasser _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Meg Justus Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:10 PM To: Geysers Subject: [Geysers] interesting photos of a geyser in Nevada Or, at least that's what the blogger in question is calling it: http://www.kuriositas.com/2010/12/fly-geyser-not-quite-of-this-world.html The photos are fairly incredible. Meg Repeating History, "A GRAND yarn you can't put down." Janet Chapple, author of Yellowstone Treasures http://mmjustus.com/fictionrepeatinghistory.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111011/8eb3ae56/attachment-0001.html> From jakefrisbee at yahoo.com Tue Oct 11 18:28:51 2011 From: jakefrisbee at yahoo.com (Jacob Young) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Online Logs (Young) Message-ID: <1318382931.47387.YahooMailNeo@web114715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> As the developer of GeyserTimes.org, one of the online logs for geyser data, I would like to enter a few points for the discussion about the online logs that was started by an erroneous report of Giant Geyser erupting. ? Overview Both Alan Glennon (geysers.net and associated Geyser Notebook Android App) and I have developed similar systems for collecting and reporting geyser information.? We've been treating this first season (2011) as beta-testing of the concept of storing geyser data in this way.? Neither of us have formally announced the existence of these sites, but they have quickly grown to be used by not just gazers, but casual visitors as well.? So far, it has been going quite well and we continue to be very excited by the possibilities going forward. For now, there are two separate sites with slightly different focuses, but we are sharing reports openly with each other.? GeyserTimes.org requires entrants to have a user account; geysers.net/Android App does not.? Both sites receive erroneous reports.? The current methods in place for controlling user reports is through "flagging" of erroneous reports by other users.?? Erroneous Entries Over 1,000 people have downloaded Alan's Geyser Notebook App this season.? We often get anonymous reports of Anemone (first geyser on the list) and White Dome (last geyser on the list) and also Old Faithful.? Anemone reports are difficult to dismiss as false.? A White Dome report can likely be dismissed if it was entered within minutes of the eruption time (there's no internet/cell service at the Lower Geyser Basin).? Old Faithful is watched very faithfully by webcam watchers and they do a fine job of keeping (daytime) Old Faithful data clean. Now, the issue of the Giant entry.? It was entered by "guest" (ie anonymous) at 3am for a 0250 eruption.? While initially very exciting, it's not very probable that Giant did erupt and should be met with much skepticism because 1) Giant hasn't erupted for awhile. 2) It's an anonymous report with no comments.? 3) Who was out in the basin at 3 in the morning in mid-October? As it happened, a few gazers took a look at Giant the next day and saw (based on the in-place signs) that it had not erupted and the report was flagged away. I don't know what the best way is to handle these situations and I look to the gazer community to help decide.? This is exactly the time to address these types of issues while the sites are still in their infancy.? You might say to disallow anonymous reports, but what if Giant really had erupted and someone didn't want to go through the trouble of creating a login?? Perhaps there should be a secondary hoop to jump through before being allowed to enter such a major geyser eruption. Purpose of Online Logs There seems to be three primary purposes of the online log: 1) As a tool to help real-time geyser gazing (if you have access to a smart-phone or internet at Old Faithful) 2) As a tool to help NEAR-time geyser gazing (i.e. people driving in from West Yellowstone) 3) Long-term data storage/retrieval system Our Giant entry issue was pretty easy to clean up to address purpose #3, but probably caused some undue excitement for people in case #1. Conclusion We're working to create an universal, robust system to store geyser data.? We need the gazer community's input to do this in the best way possible.? The online log is functional and gazer response has been positive and encouraging, but it still has a long ways to go.? I want there to be a discussion about this, but also don't want to hijack the listserv so feel free to send your comments to my personal email jakefrisbee at yahoo.com if you'd like. Happy Gazing, Jake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111011/9f72adf1/attachment-0001.html> From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Wed Oct 12 17:37:58 2011 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Giant? In-Reply-To: <4E94DF4A.7010500@mchsi.com> References: <1318323779.23676.2.camel@dhcppc0> <1318348889.17394.19.camel@dhcppc0> <4E94DF4A.7010500@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I agree that, elitist as it sounds, estimating the reliability of reports at least partially based on who reported them makes a lot of sense. For a lot of the most frequently reported geysers, it would also be possible to do basic smoke checks for whether a time is reasonable, and automatically flag questionable reports for review. For example, two eruptions of Plume ten minutes apart, or a four-hour Riverside interval, or even a nine-hour double Riverside interval would be suspicious. So would Penta during or shortly after Sawmill (almost certainly a steam phase eruption). Infrequent geysers like Splendid, Morning, Giant or even North Goggles in recent years could be flagged automatically. Such analysis could also catch sudden changes in activity, like when Lion went overnight from have series of three eruptions or fewer to as many as 30 a couple of years ago. David Schwarz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111012/6ec575d6/attachment.html> From udo.freund at lmco.com Thu Oct 13 08:23:15 2011 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:23:15 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] EXTERNAL: Online Logs (Young) In-Reply-To: <1318382931.47387.YahooMailNeo@web114715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1318382931.47387.YahooMailNeo@web114715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23DD9F944D89C246A5F84A6E2F6193B901D98FCA6C@HDXMSP8.us.lmco.com> Jake, You and Alan are to be commended for all of your hard work in developing and launching some great tools. We realize they're a work in progress and refinement will take some time and lots of ideas. Let's all contribute and see how it shakes out. I agree with Scott's comments regarding liars. They've always been around and always will be. Nothing will stop a truly determined person. In trying to stop them you risk frustrating good folks too. This happened with the OFVC logbooks in the 90's. Access was restricted and many gazers refused to report observations. People do make mistakes. Questionable reports might first be kicked back (R U sure?) to allow a reporter to correct an error. Next the report should be flagged. The flag might say "Pending confirmation" or some such thing. Confirmation should be done preferably by a reliable source, certainly not by the original reporter. Sources making an uncorrected honest error should not be instantly restricted. Perhaps assign a strike for each bad entry. 3 strikes and you're out. Of course, someone could resurface under another guise. Perhaps their IP address or other background identifier could be included in their grade. I suggest displaying the reporter's grade in the detailed report, perhaps only for certain "high-level" users to see. Thanks, Udo Freund From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Jacob Young Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:29 PM To: 'Geyser Reports' Subject: EXTERNAL: [Geysers] Online Logs (Young) As the developer of GeyserTimes.org, one of the online logs for geyser data, I would like to enter a few points for the discussion about the online logs that was started by an erroneous report of Giant Geyser erupting. Overview Both Alan Glennon (geysers.net and associated Geyser Notebook Android App) and I have developed similar systems for collecting and reporting geyser information. We've been treating this first season (2011) as beta-testing of the concept of storing geyser data in this way. Neither of us have formally announced the existence of these sites, but they have quickly grown to be used by not just gazers, but casual visitors as well. So far, it has been going quite well and we continue to be very excited by the possibilities going forward. For now, there are two separate sites with slightly different focuses, but we are sharing reports openly with each other. GeyserTimes.org requires entrants to have a user account; geysers.net/Android App does not. Both sites receive erroneous reports. The current methods in place for controlling user reports is through "flagging" of erroneous reports by other users. Erroneous Entries Over 1,000 people have downloaded Alan's Geyser Notebook App this season. We often get anonymous reports of Anemone (first geyser on the list) and White Dome (last geyser on the list) and also Old Faithful. Anemone reports are difficult to dismiss as false. A White Dome report can likely be dismissed if it was entered within minutes of the eruption time (there's no internet/cell service at the Lower Geyser Basin). Old Faithful is watched very faithfully by webcam watchers and they do a fine job of keeping (daytime) Old Faithful data clean. Now, the issue of the Giant entry. It was entered by "guest" (ie anonymous) at 3am for a 0250 eruption. While initially very exciting, it's not very probable that Giant did erupt and should be met with much skepticism because 1) Giant hasn't erupted for awhile. 2) It's an anonymous report with no comments. 3) Who was out in the basin at 3 in the morning in mid-October? As it happened, a few gazers took a look at Giant the next day and saw (based on the in-place signs) that it had not erupted and the report was flagged away. I don't know what the best way is to handle these situations and I look to the gazer community to help decide. This is exactly the time to address these types of issues while the sites are still in their infancy. You might say to disallow anonymous reports, but what if Giant really had erupted and someone didn't want to go through the trouble of creating a login? Perhaps there should be a secondary hoop to jump through before being allowed to enter such a major geyser eruption. Purpose of Online Logs There seems to be three primary purposes of the online log: 1) As a tool to help real-time geyser gazing (if you have access to a smart-phone or internet at Old Faithful) 2) As a tool to help NEAR-time geyser gazing (i.e. people driving in from West Yellowstone) 3) Long-term data storage/retrieval system Our Giant entry issue was pretty easy to clean up to address purpose #3, but probably caused some undue excitement for people in case #1. Conclusion We're working to create an universal, robust system to store geyser data. We need the gazer community's input to do this in the best way possible. The online log is functional and gazer response has been positive and encouraging, but it still has a long ways to go. I want there to be a discussion about this, but also don't want to hijack the listserv so feel free to send your comments to my personal email jakefrisbee at yahoo.com if you'd like. Happy Gazing, Jake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111013/bb5fcaa4/attachment.html> From ralph.c.taylor at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 22:04:21 2011 From: ralph.c.taylor at gmail.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 01:04:21 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Giant? In-Reply-To: References: <1318323779.23676.2.camel@dhcppc0> <1318348889.17394.19.camel@dhcppc0> <4E94DF4A.7010500@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I also agree that some form of check is needed. If the data is unreliable, or more importantly thought to be unreliable, its value is diminished. The paper logbook in the OFVC (now the OFVEC) has had similar problems over the years. The online transcribed logs have some annotations, sometimes just a question mark, when data that appears suspicious or inconsistent appeared. Lynn Stephens and I looked at several geysers for which there were both logbook entries and electronic data logger records and found numerous cases where the wrong geyser was reported or when an eruption was entered on the wrong day. Some of these errors were artifacts of the physical setup (the reporter may have been interrupted by someone else needing the logbook and then resumes entering data without noticing that the page was turned. The online logs can and probably do (I haven't personally used them or looked at them) prevent many of these errors, but it is likely that some other kinds of errors can creep in. However, there should be a way to enter data that is questioned by automatic checks because, as we well know, geysers can do whatever they want! Probably the best data is a synthesis of the OFVEC log, the webcam logs, the online logs, and the electronic record (if it is available). I have often used the webcam log to help decide whether some event in the temperature log is actually an eruption. Data consistency or reasonableness checks can be automated, and can help by prompting the person entering data. Udo Freund made some good points about this also. Flagging reports and developing a metric for posters' reliability seems a good idea to me. On 10/12/11, David Schwarz wrote: > I agree that, elitist as it sounds, estimating the reliability of reports > at least partially based on who reported them makes a lot of sense. > > For a lot of the most frequently reported geysers, it would also be > possible to do basic smoke checks for whether a time is reasonable, and > automatically flag questionable reports for review. For example, two > eruptions of Plume ten minutes apart, or a four-hour Riverside interval, or > even a nine-hour double Riverside interval would be suspicious. So would > Penta during or shortly after Sawmill (almost certainly a steam phase > eruption). Infrequent geysers like Splendid, Morning, Giant or even North > Goggles in recent years could be flagged automatically. > > Such analysis could also catch sudden changes in activity, like when Lion > went overnight from have series of three eruptions or fewer to as many as 30 > a couple of years ago. > > David Schwarz > From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 14:51:40 2011 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:51:40 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar overnight Oct 10-11, 2011 Message-ID: I guess no one ever reported to the listserv the Fan & Mortar erupted overnight, October 10-11, 2011. Thanks, Kristine, for the report to geysertimes.org. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111014/6fc68df0/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Sun Oct 16 09:46:30 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:46:30 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report Oct 4-9 Message-ID: Greetings and Salutations, There haven't been too many trip reports lately, but here is my short one for my trip of Oct 4-9, 2011. The only gazers in the basin for most of this time were Bill and Carol Beverly and me. After a long sunny hot September the first week of October was cold and wet. They did close all the roads one evening to plow, but most were opened by 10:00 in the morning and the South entrance was open by the afternoon. I found out the Firehole loop road cannot be plowed because the bridge past Pink Cone cannot take the weight of the plows. So they just lock the road and open it if an when the snow melts off. In this case, it was opened a couple of days later because I think they forgot it was closed. What data I have on the loop road geysers is limited. It appeared Great Fountain did several long interval eruptions but you could also explain the data with several very short eruptions. Pink Cone appears to have an interval of just under 24 hours for an average but I am unsure just what the range was. It slipped from crack of dawn eruptions to done before dawn eruptions while I was there. Gemini had at least one series of eruptions (before the road was closed) and the water in Pebble was higher but still below overflow. White Dome was its usual self. I did catch an eruption of Spire, the new or reactivated geyser in the Tangled Creek Group. In the White Creek Group Botryodial, A-0, and Logbridge were seen. Lemon Spring was also active but I did not catch the active periods. I saw it full and quiet, then down about a foot, then down a few inches, then full, and finally I drove up and it was overflowing in the right hand channel, in the old left hand channel, and a small overflow out from the road. But as soon as I got out of the car the water level started to drop. I was just a few minutes too late. Fountain appears to have an average interval of about 6 hours 45 minutes and did appear to be stable on that for the week. Durations are in the 32-36 minute range. Twig still appears to show up during every other Fountain eruption. Sometimes Morning's Thief will erupt prior to the start of Fountain, I didn't get to see it but Maureen, Bill, and Carol did. Spasm sometimes erupts before Fountain. Jet is active about half the time and when Super Frying Pan erupts it usually but not always shuts Jet off. Nothing from Morning, Jelly, or Sub Geysers. Bearclaw did make it above ground for one eruption at least. I only saw Biscuit Basin from the road, what little I saw looked like what it was doing this summer. In the Black Sand Basin my last visit was the first week in September and everything was about the same as that visit. Ragged and Jagged are still active but appear to be somewhat subdued, I saw no big bursts out of them. Cliff Geyser and Spouter both appeared to be normal from my short observation period. BSB-2 was quiet with not even a bubble. Green Spring was not bubbling/boiling and there is a build up of bison droppings around the pool that have not been washed so I doubt it had any recent activity. BSB-3 is still a perpetual spouter. Handkerchief Pool, Handkerchief Geyser, and the third feature in that line were all quiet when I visited. Sunlight Geyser was giving a 1-2 foot splash a few times a minute. Black Sand Pool was just like it was the first week in September. Fan and Mortar was not nice, First erupting overnight Oct 4/5 and then after I left the park again erupting overnight. There was a good event cycle the afternoon of Oct 7 and at least two events cycles a day after that but no eruption. One cycle was exciting with frequent roars from Upper Mortar and big splashing in Main Vent but all for not. O, well. For East Sentinel there is still some water flowing around it (and so into the vents in the channel) and it is only boiling weakly. Artimesia was active but I had no closed intervals. Riverside did mostly longs for the time I was in the park. Daisy was in the 2:30 to 2:50 range. On the 4th and 5th Grotto spend a good chunk of the day in a marathon eruptions but after that I saw no other marathons for the week. There were a few Rocket Majors each day when folks were down at that end to see and report them. Bill Beverly told me the pushes on Oblong were about 15 minutes apart. Several Oblongs were seen but I did not catch any closed intervals for the visit. Chromatic still has most of the energy and all of the overflow. It looks great, a much better pool than Morning Glory currently. Economic, East Economic, and Wave Spring are all cooler with mats building up. Even the unnamed spring behind Wave Spring is below overflow and growing a mat. I did catch Topsoil Spring thumping. I walked by several times and it was either full or about a centimeter down, but on one pass it was full and the pool was rocking so I stopped. I heard it thump a few times, like Doublet Pool only quieter. Grand did only single bursts for the few eruptions I saw, and of course most of the eruptions I heard of that I did not see were two bursts. There was one Churn reported but no Penta's. Mostly Sawmill was in control of the Sawmill group. Bulger just did minors when I was watching and Bulgers Hole never did erupt for me on this visit. The most I saw out of it was a little water in the bottom of the hole. Castle did several minor eruptions during the week so it was unpredictable most of the week. There are now electronic monitors on Castle, Grand, and Daisy (replaced) but they are not downloaded every day. Tilt's Baby was not active for me this week, but I did see it the first week in September. Little Brother is now quiet. I am unsure when it quit erupting, I forgot to look at it in September. On the main hill I saw nothing from Bronze Spring, Silver Spring or Little Squirt. But I did spent most of three days on F & M so I could have missed them. The Anemones were active as usual. Plume had intervals of about an hour except those few times when I told someone it would erupt in the next 5-10 minutes, then then interval appears to be about an hour and fifteen minutes. Beehive appeared to have intervals in the 13-18 hour range. Depression was in the 2 hr 30 minute to 4 hour range from the data I have. The Lion series I saw all appeared to have at least 4 eruptions. I think Aurum is now in winter mode but I spent too much time at F & M and the Lower Basin to be sure. SIGH... no Giantess. Dome was active for the 4th and 5th. I will write later with a Norris report. Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111016/bc42099e/attachment.html> From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Sun Oct 16 16:52:15 2011 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (billwarnock at wyellowstone.com) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Oct. 15-16, 2011 Geyser Report Message-ID: <20111016165215.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.40b2c47268.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111016/deaf7f4d/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Tue Oct 18 01:51:04 2011 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 01:51:04 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report Oct 4-9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1318927864.10049.4.camel@dhcppc0> Stephen: Thank you for the trip report. The geyser times can be interesting but trip reports like yours are so much more personal. Thanks, Dave On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 10:46 -0600, Stephen Eide wrote: > Greetings and Salutations, > > There haven't been too many trip reports lately, but here is my short > one for my trip of Oct 4-9, 2011. The only gazers in the basin for > most of this time were Bill and Carol Beverly and me. After a long > sunny hot September the first week of October was cold and wet. > > Stephen Eide > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From meechg at verizon.net Tue Oct 18 17:01:36 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Longer Plume intervals Message-ID: <005101cc8df2$45442e40$cfcc8ac0$@net> I noticed in the database at geysertimes.org that there have been quite a few longer Plume intervals recently up to 82 minutes. The last sub hour closed interval recorded was on the 16th. Intervals from recent days are shown below: 18 Oct 2011 @ 1657 ie wc 1h 11m 18 Oct 2011 @ 1546 ie wc 1h 13m 18 Oct 2011 @ 1433 ie wc 2h 14m - presumably a double 18 Oct 2011 @ 1219 wc 1h 10m 18 Oct 2011 @ 1109 ie (?) wc 1h 22m 18 Oct 2011 @ 0947 ie wc 17 Oct 2011 @ 1908 wc 1h 20m 17 Oct 2011 @ 1748 wc 1h 12m 17 Oct 2011 @ 1636 ie wc 1h 8m 17 Oct 2011 @ 1528 wc 1h 17m 17 Oct 2011 @ 1411 ie wc 2h 26m - presumably a double 17 Oct 2011 @ 1145 ie wc 1h 15m 17 Oct 2011 @ 1030 ie wc 1h 9m 17 Oct 2011 @ 0921 wc 1h 7m 17 Oct 2011 @ 0814 ie wc 16 Oct 2011 @ 1757 wc 1h 22m 16 Oct 2011 @ 1635 ie wc 1h 18m 16 Oct 2011 @ 1517 ie wc 1h 12m 16 Oct 2011 @ 1405 ns wc 1h 19m 16 Oct 2011 @ 1246 wc 59m 16 Oct 2011 @ 1147 ie wc 1h 6m Fortunately this does not seem to have slowed down Beehive :) Graham Meech. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111018/eb3ad1a7/attachment.html> From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Tue Oct 18 21:36:54 2011 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (billwarnock at wyellowstone.com) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:36:54 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] An Afternoon at Fan & Mortar - Oct. 18 Message-ID: <20111018213654.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.d7b0647733.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111018/1dcacaf7/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Sat Oct 22 11:45:15 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:45:15 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report West Thumb October 5th Message-ID: Hello, I took a short trip to West Thumb the evening of October 5th 2011 and saw what I could (which was not much). West Thumb continues its low energy trend for the most part. Lakeshore Geyser is out of the water with intermittent light overflow and light bubbling but did nothing more for me. The signs that were in Lakeshore Spring from the high water this spring are finally out of the spring, it appears they are a few feet from the pool now and basically rotted out. The water level in Fishing Cone is down out of sight even in the side vent. Big Cone sounds like there is bubbling in the cone but nothing can be seen. Black Pool continues to be hot. King Geyser was not boiling strong for me, mostly it just had some weaker bubbling. Abyss pool continues to be warm but not hot with weak bacteria mats in the pool. I was not lucky enough to see Skinny (Skinny Man?) Geyser. It is subjective, but it appeared to me that Hillside Geyser was steaming more and routinely bubbling but from the area around it it does not look like it was erupting. Twin Geysers intermittently bubble but I don't think it is boiling and there is no overflow. The little steam vent on the other side of the boardwalk from Twin Geyser is still active. On the upper table most of the springs are cooler and below overflow. I should have written it down but I did not, however I think the only spring with any overflow from the area of Blue Funnel to Ledge was Percolating Spring (hmm, could also have been Perforated Pool. I gotta remember to write these down) which had steady overflow but no bubbles at all. The rest of these springs are down a few inches to a couple of feet below overflow. Surging Spring continues to surge, but it wasn't interesting enough for me to stay around to catch the interval. I had no luck for the short time I looked at Occasional Geyser and Lone Pine. Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The new feature that caused the boardwalk to be moved above Ledge Geyser was quiet but there is a new hole a foot or two to the west and uphill that was steaming and you could hear some bubbling in it. Congress Pool was down several feet with little activity. Most of the area from Blue Geyser to the bottom of the slope below the walkway was covered with opalescent water. Lots of water. But the only activity in this area were a few steam vents. I did see a geyser I don't know the name of erupting from a ledge that sits just below the crest of the hill to the East of the Porcelain Basin. It erupted twice a few minutes apart to a height of 15-20 feet. It was new to me. I only waited a few minutes in the Arsenic-Constant-Whirligig area so I didn't see anything erupt. I know Pinwheel has not erupted for a long time but usually when I look at it the vent is still hot and clear of bacteria mat, however this time when I visited the vent for Pinwheel was cooler and had a mat in it. Ledge was steaming and the big steamer to the east of Ledge (Dark Cavern? Valentine? I must admit I am not sure) was roaring away. Forgotten Fumarole was quiet. The feature out on the flat between Minute Geyser and Monarch appears to be growing a bigger or maybe taller cone. OK, just a few inches, but I do think it is getting taller. Fearless Geyser was quiet and not bubbling. Palpitator Spring was empty, no water in it at all. Monarch was quiet with no signs of any recent activity. Rubble Geyser showed no sign of recent activity either. Corporal looked like it was at least occasionally overflowing but I didn't watch it long. Dog's Leg was quiet. Veteran was only doing some 3-4 foot splashing and the near basin was empty. Vixen was gurgling but had no wet ground around it so I guessed it was not erupting and I did not stay long (but I am not sure it was not erupting). Pearl was occasional "bumping" but only twice did I see a very weak splash out of it. It is overflowing. The perpetual spouters across the boardwalk from Pearl (?Creamsicle Springs?) were active perpetually to 1-2 feet. Porkchop was opalescent and quiet with regular overflow. Nothing was seen from little spring on the North side of Porkchop. There appears to be a new vent or reactived vent to the west of Pearl and South of Vixen about 30-40 feet east of the boardwalk. It has a rim of ejected sand/sinter that is the same creamsicle color as the springs south of Pearl. Some splashing a few inches to a foot above the ground was seen but I could not tell how far down in the hole the water level was. It appeared to be a perpetual splasher when I watched it. In the area from Orbicular geyser south to the new elevated boardwalk I saw every vent out there erupt in the five minutes or so I watched except Orbicular. Son of Green Dragon is now weaker, with most of the perpetual bursting to only 2-4 feet however it still will have occasional bursts in the 6-12 foot range. This spring it was all in the 6-12 foot range. Yellow Funnel was a boiling active mudpot. Blue Mud spring was the only active thing in the muddy sneaker group that I saw and it was not that strong. I did get a great view back into Green Dragon Spring,due to a favorable wind and I think less steam. Nothing of note was happening from Green Dragon to Echinus. Echinus is still in constant overflow with terraces getting bigger in the run off channel. Of some note, only the vent to the north on the side below the raised platforms was bubbling in Echinus. The South vent closest to the runoff channels was quiet. I have no idea if this is good or bad, but I do seem to remember that when Echinus erupts it is the north vent it erupts from. Echinus is all brick red. The sizzling patch to the north of Echinus is also brick red. Cistern Spring appeared unchanged to me. There is a new Boardwalk from Cistern Spring winding up the hill to the lower platform by Steamboat and then on up the hill to the West of Steamboat to meet the trail from Steamboat to Emerald Spring at about the half-way point. It appears it is all handicap accessible and avoids the Steamboat stairs. The planks for the walkway all appeared to be down but most of the handrail was not up yet. No idea what the ETA for opening is. Steamboat had mostly south function splashing and I did not stay around long. I think there is a new steam vent below the lower platform, at least I did not remember it from my spring and summer visits. Then again, I could have missed it, it isn't impressive. Emerald Spring was clear and looked like usual. Also, the bathrooms in the parking lot (the heated ones with running water) at Norris were open and working. They had Non-Potable water but everything else worked. 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Stephen Eide On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Tara Cross > wrote: I received a message from Kitt Barger saying that F&M had not erupted as of 1800 on 10/22.? Working on an 8+ day interval. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From pollypanos at earthlink.net Mon Oct 24 18:27:33 2011 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:27:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Geysers] No F&M as of 1800 on 10/22 Message-ID: <27870577.1319506053881.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now Network from my BlackBerry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111025/3dd914c7/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Oct 25 17:13:34 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] No F&M as of 1800 on 10/22 Message-ID: <6eb35.38f912fa.3bd8aaae@aol.com> This is an editorial comment sent to the moderators........... Some time ago (quite a while) it was stated that people posting to this list had to identify themselves by name. Good policy not being followed. I have no complaint about the comment by "dans44", but who is he? I'd just like to know. I could say the same about some other postings in the past few weeks/months. I'd just like to know. No namee, no postee. Scott Bryan In a message dated 10/25/2011 4:44:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dans44 at msn.com writes: I'm no F+M expert, but to my eye, there was little difference in behavior between Monday morning + Saturday this week. Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111025/83159147/attachment.html> From pollypanos at earthlink.net Tue Oct 25 20:12:51 2011 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:12:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar Message-ID: <9288423.1319598771528.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111025/b818befb/attachment.html> From cross at bmi.net Tue Oct 25 21:31:34 2011 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:31:34 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Yes, Names Please (Moderator Comment) Message-ID: Scott Bryan is correct. As per the welcome message, "Please give your full name at the end of each of your postings." I'll see if I can remember how to send out the welcome message again. At any rate, we moderators will be more attentive. Carlton Cross Moderator From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Wed Oct 26 06:35:10 2011 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:35:10 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Full names needed. In-Reply-To: <6eb35.38f912fa.3bd8aaae@aol.com> Message-ID: In my opinion, Scott is absolutely right about this. We need full names of posters for the sake of the history they are sharing. I griped about this two years ago, but people continued to do it. We place these posts in the park archives and it is really confusing and annoying when the post is signed only "Joe" or "dans44," especially when they are telling a story that includes items like: "On Friday, Tom and Sharon and I walked around Beehive." That would be Tom WHO? Sharon WHO? I WHO? I like Scott's philosophy---"no namee, no postee." Lee Whittlesey Sent by: edu> cc Subject 10/25/2011 06:13 Re: [Geysers] No F&M as of 1800 on PM 10/22 Please respond to Geyser Observation Reports This is an editorial comment sent to the moderators........... Some time ago (quite a while) it was stated that people posting to this list had to identify themselves by name. Good policy not being followed. I have no complaint about the comment by "dans44", but who is he? I'd just like to know. I could say the same about some other postings in the past few weeks/months. I'd just like to know. No namee, no postee. Scott Bryan In a message dated 10/25/2011 4:44:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dans44 at msn.com writes: I'm no F+M expert, but to my eye, there was little difference in behavior between Monday morning + Saturday this week. Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Wed Oct 26 06:38:09 2011 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:38:09 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Commas. In-Reply-To: <24321137.1319506732780.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Amazing what a comma can do. Let's eat, Grandma! Let's eat Grandma! Lee Whittlesey Polly Panos To Sent by: new - geyser reports lists.wallawalla. cc edu> Subject [Geysers] Fw: Re: No F&M as of 10/24/2011 07:38 1800 on 10/22 PM Please respond to Geyser Observation Reports Oops - should have put a comma in and I also added in a phrase to make my meaning clearer - "on many . . . cycles, after River shut off (at the end of the cycle), all vents (including Angle) were quiet . . ." Polly -----Forwarded Message----- From: Polly Panos Sent: Oct 24, 2011 7:27 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] No F&M as of 1800 on 10/22 Hello! We think that Fan & Mortar erupted overnight Oct. 14-15. The marker was in place when I arrived on Thursday, the 20th, and was still in place when I left yesterday (Sun. the 23rd) around noon. We had a few event cycles while I was there, but no eruption. It was behaving somewhat differently than normal - one difference was that on many (maybe most) cycles, after River shut off all vents (including Angle) were quiet for about 10 minutes or so before Bottom Vent would start to rumble. Angle was off between most cycles. I will go through my notes and share more information later . . . Polly Panos From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Wed Oct 26 18:57:33 2011 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (billwarnock at wyellowstone.com) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:57:33 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Reports Oct. 21-26, 2011 Message-ID: <20111026185733.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.e523c8945b.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111026/8ce3f6b3/attachment.html> From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Thu Oct 27 17:30:30 2011 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (billwarnock at wyellowstone.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:30:30 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyserr Report Oct. 27, 2011 Message-ID: <20111027173030.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.d89b7c61b3.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111027/8e414dda/attachment.html> From pollypanos at earthlink.net Wed Oct 26 18:48:21 2011 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:48:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Oct. 20-23 Message-ID: <29241320.1319680101494.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111026/8a04462d/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Oct 27 06:30:34 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Commas. Message-ID: Well, not geysers, but.....Much like the old story about a family that was moving from (the now ghosttowns of) Aurora, Nevada, to Bodie, California: Good, by God, we'e going to Bodie! Goodbye, God, we're going to Bodie. Scott Bryan In a message dated 10/26/2011 1:19:43 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov writes: Amazing what a comma can do. Let's eat, Grandma! Let's eat Grandma! Lee Whittlesey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111027/36d02b8f/attachment.html> From udo.freund at lmco.com Wed Oct 26 13:48:28 2011 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:48:28 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] EXTERNAL: Commas. In-Reply-To: References: <24321137.1319506732780.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <23DD9F944D89C246A5F84A6E2F6193B9024823D309@HDXMSP8.us.lmco.com> Thanks for that chuckle, Lee. I was ROTFLMAO. Along the same vein it's amazing what spell check won't do. Ex.: Amazing what a coma will do. Thankfully some of us still no how 2 spell. The previous sentences all passed spell check. Ugh! I also vote for using full names on posts. Thanks, Udo Freund -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:38 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: EXTERNAL: [Geysers] Commas. Amazing what a comma can do. Let's eat, Grandma! Let's eat Grandma! From riozafiro at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 05:22:26 2011 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 05:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur Streaming Cam Message-ID: For those perusing geysertimes.org, you may have noticed there are times posted for Strokkur in Iceland. Those times are from a streaming camera placed on the hill above Strokkur. Strokkur is a lot of fun to watch, it has majors and minors and sometimes additional bursts, and later in the evening, you can even see the famous (though not natural) blue bubble. On occasion there's heavy boiling in the pool next door, too. Be aware of the time difference: right now the scene is visible in the morning hours. Here's the link to the Strokkur webcam. It also has links to the Guilfoss waterfall, the unpronounceable volcano that was recently active, the Blue Lagoon and other tourist sites in Iceland. Be careful, though! It makes you want to go there. I do, badly! M?la ? beinni - Geysir Enjoy! Patricia Kay Snyder (full name, ha ha) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I arrived at 1328 with > River, High, Gold, Angle all on. > 1348 River, High, Gold off > 1403 Puff of steam from Main > 1407 River, High, Gold on > 1431 River, High, Gold off > 1432 Puff of steam from Main > 1500 River, High, Gold on > Angle remained on all of the time, with several 2-3 minute pauses > 1452 A few splashes from Bottom but no runoff...first time any water > visible > Not one person came past the whole time I was there...sunny but cold day, > up to 34 degrees when I left > > Oct. 21 > > Grand 0228E 1108 > Great Fountain 1125 p=0 > Fountain 1417 (per Maureen, average interval is 6'40") > Daisy 0711E 0946 1238 1533ie > Riverside 1119 > Plume 1205 1309 > Depression 1236 > Lion 1002 1108 > Aurum 1215 > > Oct. 22 > > Grand 0428E 1608 T2C > Indicator 0955ns > Beehive 1007 > Riverside 1204 1820 > Great Fountain 1401 > Fountain 1447 > Artemesia 1042ie > > Oct. 23 > > Till 1040ie > Plume 0900 1110 > Daisy 0720ie 1020 1548ie > Grotto 0734ns > Grand 0005E 0650E 1413ns T3C 1413E 2039E > Castle 0214E minor > Indicator 1211ie > Beehive 1235 > Riverside 1210ns > Tilt's Baby 1333ie end 1225 > Great Fountain 1245 p=8 (Maureen said it was blue bubble/superburst > combined) > Fountain 1409 d=29 > Lion 1414ns 1531ie > Aurum 1426 > Little Squirt 1055ie > > Oct. 24 > > Grand 0600E > Beehive 1321ie > Lion 0839 0952 > Great Fountain 1245 p=0 > Fountain 1304ns end 1330 > Castle 2014E major > > Oct 25 > > Castle 1012E major > Daisy 0735 1023 1305 1547 1832 2118 (all E) > Great Fountain 1200ns > Fountain 122 > Grand 1003E 1617E > > Oct. 26 > > Lion 1053 1201 > Plume 1125 1243 1352ie > Daisy 0014 0312 0606 0908 (all E) 1203ie 1445 > Riverside 1310ie > Castle 0003E 1345ie major > Great Fountain 136 > Fountain 1340 d=33 > Beehive 1025 > Grand 0040 0706E 1405ie > > Submitted by Bill Warnock > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carolyn Aaronson From janet at snowmoon.us Sat Oct 29 07:42:43 2011 From: janet at snowmoon.us (Janet White | SnowMoon, LLC) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:42:43 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Pictures -- Wall Pool, Black Diamond and Black Opal Pool In-Reply-To: <1319875124.12703.7.camel@dhcppc0> References: <1319875124.12703.7.camel@dhcppc0> Message-ID: <4EAC10E3.8060804@snowmoon.us> My husband and I visited Biscuit Basin on Sept 28 of this year and I have photos I'm working on - but - I'm so disappointed that many are blurry. I'm still troubleshooting to figure out if it's the lenses not communicating to the camera back or if it's the camera itself or both. I didn't notice the issue until we were up around Jewel (and cleaned the contacts) and didn't go back to reshoot. So, some are blurry, and some are fine. I've sharpened the heck out of some so they look ok here, but at full size they make me cringe. 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URL: <#/attachments/20111029/c15cc182/attachment-0001.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Sat Oct 29 12:02:23 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:02:23 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Wall, Black Opal, Black Diamond Pool Explosion In-Reply-To: <20111028213834.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.fb67c4bc77.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> References: <20111028213834.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.fb67c4bc77.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Hello all, The pool remodeling has been going on for some years now as Black Diamond has been intermittently active. I have pictures (on a currently dead computer, gotta remember to back up my picture files more often) from this spring and Wall Pool, Black Opal, and Black Diamond were just one big pool then. There was a wall of dirt almost to the surface of the pool level between Black Diamond and Black Opal but they appeared to be at the same water level. Back when Hank Hessler and the Geology group caught the Black Diamond eruption Black Opal Pool was still a few centimeters below the level of the pool on Black Diamond. My winter "when I get time" job is to take the computer in, get the pictures and try to set up a pictorial time line of the changes around Black Diamond. That and cure my chronic procrastination infection. Stephen Eide On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:38 PM, wrote: > Yesterday at 1645 a visitor reported that on the way to Sapphire Pool in > Biscuit Basin there was an explosion of water and rocks in the Wall Pool > area. Said it was over 60 feet high an 30 feet wide. Visitor reported it > today at the Mammoth visitor center, which reported to the OFVC this > afternoon. Hank Heasler has been notified by OFVC. While I was waiting at > Fan and Mortar today, a photographer passed by saying he'd just been at > Biscuit, and the wall between Wall and Black Diamond was gone. He had > photoed them last year. I went over around 4:30 pm and was astounded to > see that the barriers between Wall and Black Diamond, and between Wall and > Black Opal had all disappeared. There was only one huge pond, larger than > before, of murky gray water, with ejecta mainly towards the river. There > is some on the boardwalk as well. There were two places in Wall area with > intermitent boiling. I took several pictures which I've forwarded to Tara > Cross for processing, so they can be transmitted. Sapphire Pool looks > unchanged, with no murkiness, and I timed two 10-minute intervals on Jewel > Geyser, which also looked normal. I had passed Biscuit yesterday at 1615 > on the way home and noted there were no cars on the parking lot. I almost > stopped. Darn! Will go back tomorrow. > > No F&M as of 1530 today. Other times: > > Grand 0007E 0930ie VR > Daisy 1030ie 1330 > Great Fountain 1108 p=8 > Plume 1108 1333 1440 > Grotto Fountain 1144ie > Grotto 1150 > Depression 1332 > Riverside 0847 1459 > Castle 0228E minor 1558 major > > Bill Warnock > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peggy Treat ---- On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:38 PM, wrote: Yesterday at 1645 a visitor reported that on the way to Sapphire Pool in Biscuit Basin there was an explosion of water and rocks in the Wall Pool area. Said it was over 60 feet high an 30 feet wide. Visitor reported it today at the Mammoth visitor center, which reported to the OFVC this afternoon. Hank Heasler has been notified by OFVC. While I was waiting at Fan and Mortar today, a photographer passed by saying he'd just been at Biscuit, and the wall between Wall and Black Diamond was gone. He had photoed them last year. I went over around 4:30 pm and was astounded to see that the barriers between Wall and Black Diamond, and between Wall and Black Opal had all disappeared. There was only one huge pond, larger than before, of murky gray water, with ejecta mainly towards the river. There is some on the boardwalk as well. There were two places in Wall area with intermitent boiling. I took several pictures which I've forwarded to Tara Cross for processing, so they can be transmitted. Sapphire Pool looks unchanged, with no murkiness, and I timed two 10-minute intervals on Jewel Geyser, which also looked normal. I had passed Biscuit yesterday at 1615 on the way home and noted there were no cars on the parking lot. I almost stopped. Darn! Will go back tomorrow. No F&M as of 1530 today. Other times: Grand 0007E 0930ie VR Daisy 1030ie 1330 Great Fountain 1108 p=8 Plume 1108 1333 1440 Grotto Fountain 1144ie Grotto 1150 Depression 1332 Riverside 0847 1459 Castle 0228E minor 1558 major Bill Warnock -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In other news, the boardwalk on the south side of 'upper' Firehole/Hot Lake (the Artesia side) has been removed. All that remains are the stacked supports and a short closed section over the runoff channel. My only editorial comment is that I have fond memories of the "Three Senses Trail" from years past. M.A. Bellingham From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:48:40 -0700 CC: fanandmortar at hotmail.com; john6151 at aol.com; lstephens2006 at hotmail.com; mkeller at xanterra.com; Mauree0258 at aol.com; schwarzmb at gmail.com Subject: [Geysers] Oct. 29, 2011 Geyser Report and update on Wall/Black Diamond/Black Opal I talked today with a friend at the West entrance who talked with the visitor who saw the eruption. He had asked her if there were any big geysers at Biscuit. She said not at present. He the described the 60 foot high and 30 foot wide explosion from the pool labled Wall, apparently Black Diamond according to Tara. I had not know before that the signs were in the wrong places. He said the eruption was "very loud" with massive amounts of water and rock, and that most of the rocks and debris went into Black Opal Pool. She recommended that he report this to the Mammoth VC, which he did, resulting in the call yesterday to the OFVC. Today the new unified muddy gray pool was down slightly from yesterday, and rocks were visible in the area of Black Opal, and the rocks west of Wall were visible just under the surface. Another change: yesterday "Salt and Pepper" down near the river was white in the right vent and gray in the left vent (when viewed from the parking lot). Today both were brown-black and more vigorous--now Pepper & Pepper. I'll send a few more pictures to Tara to show the change. The marker at F&M was reported still in place this morning. Times today Oct. 29: Beehive 0716ie (webcam) Riverside 0924 Daisy 1106 Pink Cone 1132ie Great Fountain 1219 p=0 - a beautiful, high 1st phase in sun with breeze blowing away steam Till 1241ie Jewel 1251 1301 1311 1319 Fountain 0902ns 1456 d=28 - Maureen says Fountain is now at av. 6 hour intervals as durations have diminished Bill Warnock _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111030/29e4d369/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Oct 30 09:43:21 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond area Message-ID: <6ea5.5089e150.3bded8a9@aol.com> My thanks go along with the others for the photos and reports about the goings-on at Wall, Black Diamond, and Black Opal. A couple of points and questions here. 1. That "Wall Pool" sign has been incorrectly placed above Black Diamond for quite some time now. I long-ago pointed out the error to interpreter-signman Sam Holbrook, and he said he was not authorized to simply move it to a correct place without authority from a "higher-up." 2. The photo posted by Peggy Treat (taken in mid-September) shows Black Opal Pool. 3. Do observers feel (if there is any opinion at all) that the muddiness in "Salt & Pepper" is due to a change in the spring(s) itself, or because of debris freshly washed into the crater(s)? 4. Is there any evidence of eruptions in either Black Opal or in any of the vents in and about Wall? Thanks again to all. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Udo Freund -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:38 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: EXTERNAL: [Geysers] Commas. Amazing what a comma can do. Let's eat, Grandma! Let's eat Grandma! _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Sun Oct 30 18:01:53 2011 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (billwarnock at wyellowstone.com) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:01:53 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] F&M and Wall Oct. 30, 2011 Message-ID: <20111030180153.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.245b55af98.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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US Mountain Standard Time, dmonteit at comcast.net writes: From: Janet White | SnowMoon, LLC Reply-to: To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Pictures -- Wall Pool, Black Diamond and Black Opal Pool Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:20:36 -0600 (10/30/2011 10:20:36 AM) Two more photos from September - I took photos of the signs because I thought either I had it wrong or they were switched. Just for clarification - the signs are wrong, and I have the photos named right - is that correct? Janet White SnowMoon, LLC http://snowmoon.us _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111030/2ab9ca0e/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Mon Oct 31 04:09:19 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:09:19 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond area In-Reply-To: <6ea5.5089e150.3bded8a9@aol.com> References: <6ea5.5089e150.3bded8a9@aol.com> Message-ID: Hello all, From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Oct 14 05:36:57 2011 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:36:57 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Salt and Pepper. First the "Pepper" vent is almost inactive. When you look at it from across the river the old Pepper vent boils to only a few inches. To me it appears the Salt vent is mow somewhat higher. There is a clear run off channel from Black Diamond to Salt and Pepper. It appears it is only used during an eruption. Bill said that after the eruption of Black Diamond Salt and Pepper (Salt only?) was erupting with black sands but the next day it was clear again. I suspect it was from washed in obsidian sand. There was no evidence I saw of any eruption from Black Opal or the real Wall pool. The new vent below Black Opal between Black Opal and the river appears to have more overflow but the water is clear. Stephen Eide On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:43 AM, wrote: > ** > My thanks go along with the others for the photos and reports about the > goings-on at Wall, Black Diamond, and Black Opal. A couple of points and > questions here. > > 1. That "Wall Pool" sign has been incorrectly placed above Black Diamond > for quite some time now. I long-ago pointed out the error to > interpreter-signman Sam Holbrook, and he said he was not authorized to > simply move it to a correct place without authority from a "higher-up." > > 2. The photo posted by Peggy Treat (taken in mid-September) shows Black > Opal Pool. > > 3. Do observers feel (if there is any opinion at all) that the muddiness > in "Salt & Pepper" is due to a change in the spring(s) itself, or because > of debris freshly washed into the crater(s)? > > 4. Is there any evidence of eruptions in either Black Opal or in any of > the vents in and about Wall? > > Thanks again to all. > > Scott Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > --f46d0444ed1939816c04b09645b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From my view and talking to Bill Warnock there have been two changes i= n Salt and Pepper.=A0 First the "Pepper" vent is almost inactive.= =A0 When you look at it from across the river the old Pepper vent=A0boils t= o only a few inches.=A0 To me it appears the Salt vent is mow somewhat high= er.=A0 There is a clear run off channel from Black Diamond to Salt and Pepp= er.=A0 It appears it is only used during an eruption.=A0 Bill said that aft= er the eruption of Black Diamond=A0Salt and Pepper (Salt only?) was eruptin= g with black sands but the next day it was clear again.=A0 I suspect it was= from washed in obsidian sand.=A0 There was no evidence I saw of any erupti= on from Black Opal or the real Wall pool.=A0 The new vent below Black Opal = between Black Opal and the river appears to have more overflow but the wate= r is clear.
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:43 AM, <TSBryan at aol.com> w= rote:
My thanks go along with the others for the photos and reports about th= e goings-on at Wall, Black Diamond, and Black Opal. A couple of points and = questions here.
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1. That "Wall Pool" sign has been incorrectly placed above B= lack Diamond for quite some time now. I long-ago pointed out the error to i= nterpreter-signman Sam Holbrook, and he said he was not authorized to simpl= y move it to a correct place without authority from a "higher-up."= ;
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2. The photo posted by Peggy Treat (taken in=A0 mid-September) shows B= lack Opal Pool.
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4. Is there any evidence of eruptions in either Black Opal or in any o= f the vents in and about Wall?
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Thanks again to all.
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--f46d0444ed1939816c04b09645b5-- From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Mon Oct 31 05:32:40 2011 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond area Message-ID: Black Diamond eruption, While there yesterday, the water level appears to had dropped about 1/2 meter judging by the obvious runoff in the grass. It appears that Black Diamond may have filled Black Opal with debris. The runoff of this eruption(s) does not appear to have reached Salt and Pepper. By mid day, Salt and Pepper have cleared some, with the vent further from the river, erupting more vigorously than normal, shooting about 4 feet consistently. We will be in again today, and we will make sure to stop by Biscuit again. Jim Holstein Yellowstone Tour Guides -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Norm Krahn Edmonton, Alberta From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Pat Snyder Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 6:22 AM To: Geyser List reports Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur Streaming Cam For those perusing geysertimes.org, you may have noticed there are times posted for Strokkur in Iceland. Those times are from a streaming camera placed on the hill above Strokkur. Strokkur is a lot of fun to watch, it has majors and minors and sometimes additional bursts, and later in the evening, you can even see the famous (though not natural) blue bubble. On occasion there's heavy boiling in the pool next door, too. Be aware of the time difference: right now the scene is visible in the morning hours. Here's the link to the Strokkur webcam. It also has links to the Guilfoss waterfall, the unpronounceable volcano that was recently active, the Blue Lagoon and other tourist sites in Iceland. Be careful, though! 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However, I cannot find data for the following geysers: Bijou Catfish Atomizer Fantail Whistle Clepsydra (back vent) Ledge Dark Cavern Africa Union I ask if anyone has data, or can remember, how far away the steam phase of any one or several of the above geysers should be plainly audible? Thank you, Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Mon Oct 31 19:00:47 2011 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (billwarnock at wyellowstone.com) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Oct. 30-31, 2011 Message-ID: <20111031190047.8b0af5e9e9782380d98120880eb3a769.ade7ea29ad.wbe@email17.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111031/36dc2334/attachment.html> From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Mon Oct 31 18:40:02 2011 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:40:02 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Loud Steam Phases In-Reply-To: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4BA1F79036@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> References: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4BA1F79036@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Message-ID: I can vouch that Dark Cavern is NOT audible, or at least not so audible as to attract someone's attention, from Monarch Geyser, although it's possible that it was drowned out by the sound of Monarch boiling majestically to one-and-a-half feet. >< David Schwarz On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:48 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: > In assembling a list of geysers that have loud steam phases, I have > wondered how far the sound of the steam phase carries. > > Previous posts on this list, together with literature sources, indicate > that Steamboat is plainly audible at the Norris Campground (1.2 miles > away), and that Giantess has been plainly audible at Riverside Geyser (0.9 > miles away). Similar figures can be obtained for other geysers. However, > I cannot find data for the following geysers: > > Bijou > Catfish > Atomizer > Fantail > Whistle > Clepsydra (back vent) > Ledge > Dark Cavern > Africa > Union > > I ask if anyone has data, or can remember, how far away the steam phase of > any one or several of the above geysers should be plainly audible? > > Thank you, > > Jeff Cross > jeff.cross at utah.edu > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111031/754c86f4/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 19:01:44 2011 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (JOChapple) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:01:44 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Loud Steam Phases In-Reply-To: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4BA1F79036@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> References: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4BA1F79036@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Message-ID: Jeff, For Whistle Geyser, see references in Whittlesey, Yellowstone Place Names, p. 262. Janet Chapple - - - - - On Oct 31, 2011, at 5:48 PM, JEFFREY CROSS wrote: > In assembling a list of geysers that have loud steam phases, I have wondered how far the sound of the steam phase carries. > > Previous posts on this list, together with literature sources, indicate that Steamboat is plainly audible at the Norris Campground (1.2 miles away), and that Giantess has been plainly audible at Riverside Geyser (0.9 miles away). Similar figures can be obtained for other geysers. However, I cannot find data for the following geysers: > > Bijou > Catfish > Atomizer > Fantail > Whistle > Clepsydra (back vent) > Ledge > Dark Cavern > Africa > Union > > I ask if anyone has data, or can remember, how far away the steam phase of any one or several of the above geysers should be plainly audible? > > Thank you, > > Jeff Cross > jeff.cross at utah.edu > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From larson755 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 18:27:17 2011 From: larson755 at hotmail.com (Daniel Larson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:27:17 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Loud Steam Phases In-Reply-To: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4BA1F79036@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> References: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4BA1F79036@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Message-ID: One morning in 1994 I was at Norris, in the parking lot, and heard Dark Cavern from there. Dan Larson > From: jeff.cross at utah.edu > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:48:12 -0600 > Subject: [Geysers] Loud Steam Phases > > In assembling a list of geysers that have loud steam phases, I have wondered how far the sound of the steam phase carries. > > Previous posts on this list, together with literature sources, indicate that Steamboat is plainly audible at the Norris Campground (1.2 miles away), and that Giantess has been plainly audible at Riverside Geyser (0.9 miles away). Similar figures can be obtained for other geysers. However, I cannot find data for the following geysers: > > Bijou > Catfish > Atomizer > Fantail > Whistle > Clepsydra (back vent) > Ledge > Dark Cavern > Africa > Union > > I ask if anyone has data, or can remember, how far away the steam phase of any one or several of the above geysers should be plainly audible? > > Thank you, > > Jeff Cross > jeff.cross at utah.edu > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111101/30fa93d5/attachment.html> From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Mon Oct 31 18:20:07 2011 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond area Message-ID: <21b3.e02ce1d.3be0a347@aol.com> Looking at the pools for two days in a row and having a little more time to observe it today, it does appear that Salt and Pepper's murky eruption was due to debris washing into the geysers. Also judging by the washed grass, this eruption(s) put out a tremendous amount of water, washing the area up to 1/2 meter higher than the pools, and stretching from the boardwalk to beyond Salt and Pepper. Sandy, muddy water spots are still visible on the boardwalk. While we were at Biscuit Basin we had two period of heavy boiling out of Black Diamond, up to 3 feet high and increasing the runoff in the channels. I called them on the radio, but I don't believe anyone could hear me at Beehive. The boils were at 13:56 and 14:01. Bill Warnock saw no runoff both today and yesterday and I saw runoff both today and yesterday. Bill, Steve, we should exchange phone numbers in the basin when I'm there again on Wednesday. Jim Holstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111031/75981397/attachment-0001.html> From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Mon Oct 31 18:34:11 2011 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Loud Steam Phases Message-ID: <2863.65fbb0a.3be0a693@aol.com> On a quiet October day, we could hear the Clepsydra Steam Phase from the other side of the outhouses. I would not be surprised if it could be heard from the south intersection of the parking lot and beyond some. Having the Paint Pots, being a must see at work for the past twenty years, I can say I have seen about 20 to 25 steam phases, from most point of the boardwalk. I have also noticed the steam phase in October and winter months, which do not have the traffic noise, the steam phase is much louder, possibly twice as loud, when there is a high wind. I heard the Ledge steam phase from the former bus parking in the Norris Parking lot I believe it was in '3 or '94 some where in there. There was quite a bit of summer traffic noise if I recall correctly. What about the pre-steam phase of Oblique/ Avalanche Geyser (I don't want to get into which name is correct), but that can be heard from at least 1/2 mile away, maybe further. If I catch a steam phase this winter I will try to see how far away I can hear it from. Also Beehive I have heard from the Snowlodge in the winter time, this was in the evening, with no traffic and wind gusts up to 30 mph. Jim Holstein Yellowstone Tour Guides -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20111031/2f796593/attachment.html> From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Oct 14 05:36:57 2011 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:36:57 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: event cycles (poor and good) were all short and fast. Fan was off for only short periods. The time off sometimes was only two or three minutes. Most were in the 10-15 minute range. Over the last two days I only saw Fan quiet for 30 minutes once. Today (11-1-11) I had no splashing in Main Vent for the day but did have some periods of Main Vent steaming. East Sentinel is still an island so still has cold water running in it and only has a low boil. I doubt there will be a chance for an eruption before closing day When I went out this morning Bijou was dead. As I watched through the day it came on and off through the day but it appears from the snow on Giant there was no hot period. I did forget you check it after 1600. They took out the bike rack at Grotto on 11-1-11. And they put in a short fence across from Scalloped Spring. I guess because of the hole near the boardwalk on that side. Aurum has been seen a few times so far there have been no closed intervals. On 10-31 I saw it quite in the morning and it erupted about three hours later. Hopefully it is on Winter mode but I can't prove that yet. As you have heard Black Diamond continues to be active. I wonder if it could be erupting a few times a day but because the eruptions are so short and there as so few people around it just hasn't been seen. Right now no one knows. The temp has been cold but not that bad. The wind has occasionally been nasty. There has been a bald eagle in the upper basin all three days. More later, Stephen Eide