From meechg at verizon.net Fri Apr 1 19:34:44 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:34:44 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/1/2011 In-Reply-To: <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> Message-ID: <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Friday 4/1/11 taken from the chat log () and Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive put in an appearance this morning, 13h22m interval and again as the light faded tonight for a 12h26m interval. So that makes it the 9th double interval in a row of ~23 to 26 1/2 hours. I guess Giantess was not fooled by my prediction of its eruption between 0800 and 1000 today. Maybe April 1st next year? Aurum 1659ie, Beehive 1803 Indicator 0751, 2029 Indicator 2017ie, Daisy 0707, Depression 0645, 1037ie (?), Grand 1139ie, Lion 1246, 1405, Old Faithful 0633ie, 0934ie, 1105, 1238, 1412, 1546, 1720e, 1851, 2025, Plume 0737, 0852ie, 1155, 1254ie, 1537ie, 1723, 1814ie, 1907, 2000ie, Riverside 0806ie, Graham Meech From ralph.c.taylor at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 22:51:09 2011 From: ralph.c.taylor at gmail.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 01:51:09 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Aurum, Beehive, and Little Squirt are updated on the GOSA website Message-ID: I have updated the pages for Aurum, Beehive, and Little Squirt on the GOSA website. The data can be seen at: http://www.gosa.org/electronicsummary.aspx More to come soon. Ralph Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110402/75bb827c/attachment.html> From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 11:35:47 2011 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin 4/02/11, Churn is active! Message-ID: <867197.5816.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lion was ie at 959 as I was putting on my snowshoes near the bike rack. When I got to the Sawmill Group, Penta looked like it may have erupted, since there was water in the channel and the vents were spitting. The water level was up in Churn Geyser. As I was heading towards Grand to check on the pool, I heard splashing behind me, so I turned around, and Churn was erupting! (1023) There was water in Grand, but the level didn't look great. I saw Daisy erupt (1028) as I was waiting for Turban. I caught Turban eruptions at 1035, 1054, and 1114, none with very good water levels in Grand's pool. I also caught another Churn at 1042, but the water level in Sawmill was rising, and Churn dropped after that. Other stuff: Bulger: 1021, 1029, 1035, 1041, 1047,1056, 1102, 1109 Terracotta (not sure which one) 1031 OF 1039 (near end) Lion 1109ie I saw my first mountain bluebirds of the season out in the geyser basin! There were wolf tracks crossing Castle's boardwalk, about ten yards from the junction. Karen Low -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110402/acbdc062/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 3 05:18:49 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:18:49 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/2/2011 In-Reply-To: <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> Message-ID: <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Saturday 4/2/11 taken from the chat log () and Karen Low, thanks for the reports. After yesterdays 13h22m and 12h26m intervals Beehive erupted this morning with an 11h49m interval. Daisy intervals were between 2 1/2 and 3 hours. One Depression interval of 3 hours. Plume had some intervals below 50 minutes too. Beehive 0818 Indicator 0807ie, Castle 1821ie, Daisy 0750ie, 1028, 1313, 1550, 1847ie, Depression 1222ie, 1527ie, Dome 0819ie, 0833ie, 0945ie, 1143ie, 1227ie, 1327ie, 1353ie, 1410ie, 1634ie, Grand 1225ie, Lion 0631ie, 0739ie, 0852ie, 1000, 1109, 1219, Old Faithful 0737, 0902, 1036, 1212, 1344, 1522, 1713, 1843 short, 1948, Plume 0717ie (?), 0939, 1030, 1204, 1253, 1343, 1431, 1520ie, 1606, 1659, 1744, 1835, 1924, 2014, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 3 19:31:09 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/3/2011 In-Reply-To: <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> Message-ID: <000901cbf270$5beba560$13c2f020$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Sunday 4/3/11 taken from the chat log ( ), thanks for the reports. Beehives interval between sightings was 26h12m, so still in the recent 23 - 26 1/2 hour range for double intervals. Looks like Daisy had one longer interval of ~3h20min today as well as a couple of "normal" 2 1/2 - 3 hour intervals. Dome was still active today. Beehive 1030 Indicator 1017ie, Castle 1250ie Major, Daisy 1136ie, 1457, 1717ie, 1959, Depression 0644ie, Dome 1127ie, 1303ie, Grand 1338ie, Lion 0628ie, 0732, 0849, 1007ie, Old Faithful 0739ie, 0910, 1052ie, 1231ie, 1403, 1513, 1656, 1817, 1954, Plume 0637, 0851, 1005, 1357, 1513, 1801, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Mon Apr 4 19:08:51 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:08:51 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/4/2011 In-Reply-To: <000901cbf270$5beba560$13c2f020$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> <000901cbf270$5beba560$13c2f020$@net> Message-ID: <004201cbf336$68d05b60$3a711220$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Monday 4/4/11 taken from the chat log ( ) and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehives interval between sightings was 26h39m, so still in the recent 23 - 26 1/2 hour range for double intervals - ok, I should probably should extend it to 26 3/4 hours now. The snow was coming down pretty hard this evening making it difficult to even see Old Faithful. I guess summer was last week, now on to winter? Aurum 1419ie (?), Beehive 1309 Indicator 1302ie, Castle 1213ie, Daisy 1601, Depression 1117ie, Grand 0823ie, Lion 0721, 0835 minor, 0903ie, 1020ie, 1138, Old Faithful 0654ie, 0835, 0959ie, 1141, 1314ie, 1444ie, 1610, 1739, 1915ie, Plume 0726ie, 0830, 1120, 1219, 1415ie, 1510, 1608, 1710, 1809, Graham Meech From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Tue Apr 5 07:19:45 2011 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:19:45 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology Message-ID: Considering that you geyser guys are usually interested in the subsurface geology that is so responsible for our thermal features, I'd be interested in seeing your comments about the link below, which has to do with alleged radiation and radioactive rodents on Crawfish Creek, Polecat Creek, and Pitchstone Plateau. The link is below. Lee Whittlesey Park Historian, NPS YNP http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014699.html From meechg at verizon.net Tue Apr 5 19:26:40 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 22:26:40 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/5/2011 In-Reply-To: <004201cbf336$68d05b60$3a711220$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> <000901cbf270$5beba560$13c2f020$@net> <004201cbf336$68d05b60$3a711220$@net> Message-ID: <004b01cbf402$10064770$3012d650$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Tuesday 4/5/11 taken from the chat log ( ) and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehives interval between sightings was 26h50m, so we have to push the end of the window out to 27 hours now. Still pretty good, just lengthened to the 4 hour Grand window size. Beehive also had no indicator visible at all, even during the eruption. There was a Plate eruption seen on the cam today too. There may have been a Grand interval of 6h14m but some uncertainty about the reports. BH 1559 (no indicator), Daisy 1704, 1946, Grand 1205ie (?), 1819, Lion 0706, 0810ie, 0927ie, OF 0800, 0939ie, 1128ie, 1302ie, 1437ie, 1632, 1727ie, Penta 2009ie, Plate 1744ie, Plume 0715ie, 0818ie, 1015ie, 1115ie, 1217, 1332ie, 1440, 1654, 1752, 1859, 2005, Graham Meech From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Wed Apr 6 13:03:41 2011 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:03:41 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not sure what point the author is trying to make. Because there are natural sources of radioactivity entering the water and air, we shouldn't sweat leaks from nuclear facilities? The original writer's point was about drilled well water contaminating downstream waterways, but considering the relative volumes involved that sounds like a stretch. As far as the facts, I couldn't find anything in the scientific literature to corroborate the claims, but they're not unreasonable, and John Love seems to be a reliable source when it comes to Wyoming geology. Radium in particular is documented to be present in the water of numerous springs and creeks in Yellowstone, and the biological half-life of radium (how long it takes to eliminate half of it from the body once ingested--not to be confused with the physical, decay half-life) is fairly long because it gets incorporated into bones. In humans, it's been estimated at 15 years according to one journal article. It seems plausible that rodents that spend their entire lives drinking radium-bearing water and eating plants grown from the water could accumulate enough to create images on photographic plates. Is there anything useful to conclude from this? Well, if it's true, don't eat the chipmunks. If you must eat the chipmunks, try to eat young ones that haven't had very long to concentrate radioisotopes. Regardless, like farmed fish (often contaminated with small amounts of heavy metals) don't eat them too often, and your prognosis will be indistinguishable from someone who has never tasted radioactive rodent. How often that is depends on the actual amount of radioactive material in the average chipmunk, how much of that is in edible tissue, and the rate, type and energy of the radioactive emission. David Schwarz On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:19 AM, wrote: > > Considering that you geyser guys are usually interested in the subsurface > geology that is so responsible for our thermal features, I'd be interested > in seeing your comments about the link below, which has to do with alleged > radiation and radioactive rodents on Crawfish Creek, Polecat Creek, and > Pitchstone Plateau. The link is below. > > Lee Whittlesey > Park Historian, NPS > YNP > > http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014699.html > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <#/attachments/20110406/4532eafe/attachment.html> From ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 20:15:39 2011 From: ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com (Ruth & Leslie Quinn) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:15:39 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology References: Message-ID: Lee, and all, The quote listed on the web site you listed is directly from John McPhee, Rising From the Plains (Farrar, Straus, & Giroux, 1986, page 199). As indicated, it was later reprinted in the more epic Annals of the Former World. There is a big, two-volume set of the results of a scientific conference on the national parks that we have in the Tour Guide Library that is the paper on which this is based. It sounds above board. The small mammals in question, by the way, had to be left, dead, on the photographic paper on the order of months, but by so doing they did indeed make a photographic impression of the outline of their bodies. I'll find the original source and repost it here. Just one of the rabble, Leslie J. Quinn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:19 AM Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology > > Considering that you geyser guys are usually interested in the subsurface > geology that is so responsible for our thermal features, I'd be interested > in seeing your comments about the link below, which has to do with alleged > radiation and radioactive rodents on Crawfish Creek, Polecat Creek, and > Pitchstone Plateau. The link is below. > > Lee Whittlesey > Park Historian, NPS > YNP > > http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014699.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110405/4127c2b7/attachment.html> From tddatlasvegas at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 18:54:37 2011 From: tddatlasvegas at gmail.com (Tom Dunn) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:54:37 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee radium uptake in plants is not that unusual. Radium is pretty common in soils. In fact in parts off Illinois basements must be check for radiation due to radium in the ground around the basement. This must be done before a house is sold. If the radiation levels are above some very low level the seller must put it a ventilation system. I have had to do this. Here is an article about where radium comes from http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dph/files/radiumfaq.pdf. Here is one of the laws controlling radium cleanup in soils ....Soil Cleanup Criteria in 40 CFR Part 192 cheers Tom On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:19 AM, wrote: > > Considering that you geyser guys are usually interested in the subsurface > geology that is so responsible for our thermal features, I'd be interested > in seeing your comments about the link below, which has to do with alleged > radiation and radioactive rodents on Crawfish Creek, Polecat Creek, and > Pitchstone Plateau. The link is below. > > Lee Whittlesey > Park Historian, NPS > YNP > > http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014699.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > From meechg at verizon.net Wed Apr 6 19:24:51 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:24:51 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/6/2011 In-Reply-To: <004b01cbf402$10064770$3012d650$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> <000901cbf270$5beba560$13c2f020$@net> <004201cbf336$68d05b60$3a711220$@net> <004b01cbf402$10064770$3012d650$@net> Message-ID: <003001cbf4ca$f98a9090$ec9fb1b0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Wednesday 4/6/11 taken from the chat log ( ) and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Some serious snow again today making it hard to see anything. Possible morning Beehive at 0622ie but the light was not very bright at that time. That would have been ~12h20m interval so it would have been in the window. No afternoon sighting due to whiteout conditions. Aurum 1026ie, 1420ie (?), Beehive 0622ie (?), Castle 1228ie, Depression 0934ie, 1456ie (?), Old Faithful 0745ie, 0913ie, 1043ie, 1225ie, 1348ie, 1525ie, 1655ie, 1829ie, Plume 0943ie, 1134ie, 1323ie, 1416ie, Graham Meech From rlpowell at indiana.edu Thu Apr 7 08:40:57 2011 From: rlpowell at indiana.edu (Powell, Richard L) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Dead rodents on photographic paper Message-ID: <20110407114057.3pseqd0h4osgkwgg@webmail.iu.edu> The reported exposure of photographic paper by placing a dead rodent on it needs more explanation, e.g. was the critter still juicy enough to chemically alter the paper regardless of the presence of radium. Radiation poisoning from exposure to radon, particularly from "radon daughters" is rare in open landscapes, but deadly to uranium miners, paricularly smokers, and to some extent a cause of lung cancers in coal miners, as well as unknown consequences of exposure to spelunkers in some areas. I would contend that silicosis from inhaling steam vapor a greater threat than radiation poisoning in Yellowstone N. P. But I would not consider silicosis from geyser steam a reasonable concern. Dick Powell Certified radion technician circa 1978 From srlb at my180.net Thu Apr 7 18:59:06 2011 From: srlb at my180.net (Bob Berger) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:59:06 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology References: Message-ID: Could this be a result of a secret NPS project to improve night time critter gazing based on the theory that it's easier to spot wildlife that glows in the dark? Bob Berger Srlb at eskimo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:19 AM Subject: [Geysers] Fw: radioactive rodents related to YNP geology > > Considering that you geyser guys are usually interested in the subsurface > geology that is so responsible for our thermal features, I'd be interested > in seeing your comments about the link below, which has to do with alleged > radiation and radioactive rodents on Crawfish Creek, Polecat Creek, and > Pitchstone Plateau. The link is below. > > Lee Whittlesey > Park Historian, NPS > YNP > > http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014699.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > From meechg at verizon.net Thu Apr 7 19:25:49 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 22:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/7/2011 In-Reply-To: <003001cbf4ca$f98a9090$ec9fb1b0$@net> References: <641863.53535.qm@web84207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001801cbe76b$a1e4e280$e5aea780$@net> <004c01cbe900$5d6e1b80$184a5280$@net> <003d01cbe9c9$6f6ffe60$4e4ffb20$@net> <004201cbea90$5e3123a0$1a936ae0$@net> <003c01cbeb5c$cb721100$62563300$@net> <004801cbec23$a4f9dcc0$eeed9640$@net> <003c01cbecef$2f9a4790$8eced6b0$@net> <004d01cbedb7$f9a77350$ecf659f0$@net> <005901cbee80$4e3ebc70$eabc3550$@net> <003401cbef49$0f574620$2e05d260$@net> <004701cbf015$85f70910$91e51b30$@net> <005501cbf0de$871c0ec0$95542c40$@net> <000901cbf1f9$49cc5630$dd650290$@net> <000901cbf270$5beba560$13c2f020$@net> <004201cbf336$68d05b60$3a711220$@net> <004b01cbf402$10064770$3012d650$@net> <003001cbf4ca$f98a9090$ec9fb1b0$@net> Message-ID: <003d01cbf594$4678adf0$d36a09d0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Thursday 4/7/11 taken from the chat log ( ) and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. More snow again but Beehive did erupt clearly in daylight today. Beehive 1325 Indicator 1319ie, Castle 0659ie Major, Depression 1400ie, 1701ie, 2010ie, Grand 0709ie, Lion 0630ie, 0735ie, 0836ie, 1055ie, 1316ie, 1426, Old Faithful 0704, 0840ie, 1153ie, 1329, 1459ie, 1637, Plume 1351ie, 1444ie, 1539, 1636, 1732, 1824ie, 1923, 2015, Graham Meech From ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 19:46:45 2011 From: ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com (Ruth & Leslie Quinn) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:46:45 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Re: Radioactive rodents on the Pitchstone References: Message-ID: <844C9DDE953D4A1C993BAE694CCC6BEE@YOUR0D4968B766> I found the source where I think the original paper on this subject is located. It's: Linn, Robert M., editor, Proceedings of the 1st Conference on Scientific Research in the National Parks (U. S. Department of the Interior, U. S. Government Printing Office, Washington, DC, 1976, 2 volumes, 1325 pages). I don't recall exactly where in there the paper is, but I'm pretty sure I saw it in there once upon a time. Leslie Quinn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110407/4d74fffc/attachment.html> From udo.freund at lmco.com Fri Apr 8 07:01:18 2011 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] RE: Dead rodents on photographic paper In-Reply-To: <20110407114057.3pseqd0h4osgkwgg@webmail.iu.edu> References: <20110407114057.3pseqd0h4osgkwgg@webmail.iu.edu> Message-ID: <23DD9F944D89C246A5F84A6E2F6193B9DB0E74F0@HDXMSP8.us.lmco.com> I would expect predators to also be radioactive from ingesting rodents regularly. How far up / down the food chain could one expect it to appear? I'm thinking canines and birds of prey might also give off such a "glow." And BTW, we had a mitigation system installed due to unhealthy levels of radon measured in our basement. Basically it's a fan that runs 24/7 to vent gas from under the slab and crawl space's vapor barrier to the outside. It's a good idea to have your home checked, especially if you've sealed your house to reduce HVAC energy losses. Radon is present nearly everywhere with high concentrations in many areas. Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Powell, Richard L Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:41 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: EXTERNAL: [Geysers] Dead rodents on photographic paper The reported exposure of photographic paper by placing a dead rodent on it needs more explanation, e.g. was the critter still juicy enough to chemically alter the paper regardless of the presence of radium. Radiation poisoning from exposure to radon, particularly from "radon daughters" is rare in open landscapes, but deadly to uranium miners, paricularly smokers, and to some extent a cause of lung cancers in coal miners, as well as unknown consequences of exposure to spelunkers in some areas. I would contend that silicosis from inhaling steam vapor a greater threat than radiation poisoning in Yellowstone N. P. But I would not consider silicosis from geyser steam a reasonable concern. Dick Powell Certified radion technician circa 1978 _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From meechg at verizon.net Sat Apr 9 05:40:04 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/8/2011 Message-ID: <929278.25728.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Here are some times from the webcams for Friday 4/8/11 taken from the chat log () and Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports.ittle Squirt, 0740ie Beehive showed up again, around 27 hours since the prior report. Snow still piling up for winter opening. Oh wait.....isn't it supposed to be spring opening coming up? Beehive 1631 Indicator 1622ie, Depression 0759ie, Lion 1607ie, Little Squirt 0719ie, Old Faithful 0741, 0914ie, 1049ie, 1226ie, 1459ie, 1528ie, 2004ie, Plume 0636, 0735, 1040ie, 1604ie, Riverside? Graham Meech From canbelto at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 16:51:57 2011 From: canbelto at gmail.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:51:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Re: Radioactive rodents on the Pitchstone In-Reply-To: <844C9DDE953D4A1C993BAE694CCC6BEE@YOUR0D4968B766> References: <844C9DDE953D4A1C993BAE694CCC6BEE@YOUR0D4968B766> Message-ID: This has apparently been studied at least slightly, and another paper is by R. Howald (or Howlad, sources differ), "'N22 HOWALD, Reed Montana state University Radioactivity from Pitchstone Plateau area of YNP.' 1982", cited in the YNP archives, as reached by http://www.nps.gov/yell/historyculture/upload/natural.pdf -- Lee W may have easier and more complete access to this than the rest of us. This gets pretty close to what I do for a living (or did before I became a useless paper pusher...), and I'd like to learn more of what actually happened in this study and any others like it. The notion of radioactive critters fogging photographic film seems far-fetched, to put it mildly. However, naturally-occurring potassium contains about 1% K-40, a long-lived radioactive isotope easily detected with modern sensors (and the bane of us folks who do low-level detection because it's in natural background and you can't get rid of it). K-40 is therefore present in living things in tiny quantities, whether on the Pitchstone Plateau or elsewhere. *Really* long exposures would be necessary to see it on photographic film, though. Radon in rodents is not a credible source of photographic film fogging for various reasons. One of the pages that cites that Howald (Howlad? Howard) study says something to the effect that the basalts of the Pitchstone Plateau contain "two to three times" as much radioactivity as rocks elsewhere at YNP. To this, all that I can say is "big deal." There are any number of places in the world where you can get in a car and drive for five minutes, and produce order-of-magnitude variations in natural background; I live in one of them (Jemez Mountains of New Mexico) which just happens to have geology very similar to YNP. This whole thing strikes me as much ado about nothing, but the scientist in me is interested in learning more about it, just out of curiosity. Other links appreciated. -- Bill, speaking only for himself. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Ruth & Leslie Quinn < ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com> wrote: > I found the source where I think the original paper on this subject > is located. It's: > Linn, Robert M., editor, *Proceedings of the 1st Conference on Scientific > Research in the National Parks* (U. S. Department of the Interior, U. S. > Government Printing Office, Washington, DC, 1976, 2 volumes, 1325 pages). I > don't recall exactly where in there the paper is, but I'm pretty sure I saw > it in there once upon a time. > Leslie Quinn > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110409/9ed7dac3/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 10 05:57:34 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 05:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/9/2011 Message-ID: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Here are some times from the webcams for Saturday 4/9/11 taken from the chat log (), thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was about 16 hours, a little longer than we have been used to recently. Plume has increased a bit to an hour or slightly longer. Aurum 2018ie (?), Beehive 0824 Indicator 0824ie, Castle, 1420ie steam phase, Depression 0957, 1601ie, Daisy 1052ie, 1549, Lion 1153ie, 1303, 1423, 1534, Old Faithful 0702, 0841 1019 1146ie, 1320, 1448ie, 1632, 1806ie, 1931ie, Plume 1011, 1114ie, 1308, 1618, 1722ie, 1822ie, 1924ie, 2027ie, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 10 15:07:35 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/8/2011 In-Reply-To: <929278.25728.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <929278.25728.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cbf7cb$b2b41840$181c48c0$@net> I was pointed out to me that I needed to correct a few times for Friday 4/8. I wasn't thinking when I typed some of these in and mixed up some of the evening times, the ones I listed as 16xx should have been 18xx. Corrections are listed below. Thanks for letting me know of the errors - as always any webcam reports are subject to errors, in this case they were my typographic errors and other times they are miss-read steam clouds. Beehive 1831 Indicator 1822ie, Lion 1807ie, Plume 0636, 0735, 1040ie, 1804ie, That means the interval between Thursday and Friday Beehive reports was about 29 hours, and between Friday evening and Saturday morning was about 16 hours. Graham Meech From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Apr 10 10:14:05 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Re: Radioactive rodents on the Pitchstone Message-ID: I clearly recall having had a paper, published somewhere sometime like maybe 30 years ago, that cited PLANTS from down around Polecat Creek (and so, southeast Pitchstone area) radioactive enough to leave images on film. Seems to me one of the plants was a locoweed. I've looked several places around this mess and cannot find the article -- sorry. Not my field so I could be wrong, but would plants be more likely to absorb this amount of radioactive stuff? Scott Bryan In a message dated 4/10/2011 5:53:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, canbelto at gmail.com writes: This has apparently been studied at least slightly, and another paper is by R. Howald (or Howlad, sources differ), "'N22 HOWALD, Reed Montana state University Radioactivity from Pitchstone Plateau area of YNP.' 1982", cited in the YNP archives, as reached by _http://www.nps.gov/yell/historyculture/upload/natural.pdf_ (http://www.nps.gov/yell/historyculture/upload/natural.pdf) -- Lee W may have easier and more complete access to this than the rest of us. This gets pretty close to what I do for a living (or did before I became a useless paper pusher...), and I'd like to learn more of what actually happened in this study and any others like it. The notion of radioactive critters fogging photographic film seems far-fetched, to put it mildly. However, naturally-occurring potassium contains about 1% K-40, a long-lived radioactive isotope easily detected with modern sensors (and the bane of us folks who do low-level detection because it's in natural background and you can't get rid of it). K-40 is therefore present in living things in tiny quantities, whether on the Pitchstone Plateau or elsewhere. Really long exposures would be necessary to see it on photographic film, though. Radon in rodents is not a credible source of photographic film fogging for various reasons. One of the pages that cites that Howald (Howlad? Howard) study says something to the effect that the basalts of the Pitchstone Plateau contain "two to three times" as much radioactivity as rocks elsewhere at YNP. To this, all that I can say is "big deal." There are any number of places in the world where you can get in a car and drive for five minutes, and produce order-of-magnitude variations in natural background; I live in one of them (Jemez Mountains of New Mexico) which just happens to have geology very similar to YNP. This whole thing strikes me as much ado about nothing, but the scientist in me is interested in learning more about it, just out of curiosity. Other links appreciated. -- Bill, speaking only for himself. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Ruth & Leslie Quinn <_ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com_ (mailto:ruthleslie.ynp at gmail.com) > wrote: I found the source where I think the original paper on this subject is located. It's: Linn, Robert M., editor, Proceedings of the 1st Conference on Scientific Research in the National Parks (U. S. Department of the Interior, U. S. Government Printing Office, Washington, DC, 1976, 2 volumes, 1325 pages). I don't recall exactly where in there the paper is, but I'm pretty sure I saw it in there once upon a time. Leslie Quinn _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list _Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu_ (mailto:Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu) __ () _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110410/f5bee415/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 10 19:41:04 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/10/2011 In-Reply-To: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901cbf7f1$e7418180$b5c48480$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Sunday 4/10/11 taken from the chat log (), thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between reports was about 28h40m. Plume has increased again, running about 70min on average. Depression looks like about 3h50m. Beehive 1303 Indicator 1247, Castle 1749ie H2O Major, Daisy 1413, 1655ie, 1940, Depression 0822, 1214, 1959ie, Grand 1105ie, Lion 0640, 0754ie, 0859ie, 1011, 1122, 1236, 1358ie, 1506 (restarted 1509), 1604, Old Faithful 0630, 0806, 0943ie, 1100ie, 1233, 1406, 1543 short, 1658, 1837, 2002, Plume 0910ie, 1017, 1129, 1237, 1502, 1610, 1719, 1829, 1932, 2037, Riverside 1041ie, Graham Meech From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 09:52:20 2011 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:52:20 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] grizzly, and other news Message-ID: The large grizzly that has frequented the geyser basin in spring is once again around; one set of tracks is within 50 yards of our residence building. So... I'm seeing what I'm seeing from the top of Fern Cascades hill. Having other folks around beginning Friday will be good. I'll try to pass along what I hear about the bike trail, before opening. The other news is that we're moving to Washington, though it's possible I'll work a season here and there in future. If I'm not around in winter, I hope someone will report what they see. We leave here April 24, after having lived here at Old Faithful longer than anyplace else. I'm appreciating this place, and saying goodbye, every day. Carolyn Loren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110411/0ba25c77/attachment.html> From bkbarger at bresnan.net Mon Apr 11 15:59:36 2011 From: bkbarger at bresnan.net (william barger) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:59:36 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] grizzly, and other news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carolyn you will be greatly missed. You are invaluable to Yellowstone. May your new home provide you with many great memories. Thanks! Kitt Barger On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:52:20 +0000 carolyn loren wrote: > > The large grizzly that has frequented the geyser basin in spring is once >again around; one set of tracks is within 50 yards of our residence building. > So... I'm seeing what I'm seeing from the top of Fern Cascades hill. Having >other folks around beginning Friday will be good. > > I'll try to pass along what I hear about the bike trail, before opening. > > The other news is that we're moving to Washington, though it's possible I'll >work a season here and there in future. If I'm not around in winter, I hope >someone will report what they see. We leave here April 24, after having >lived here at Old Faithful longer than anyplace else. I'm appreciating this >place, and saying goodbye, every day. > > Carolyn Loren From meechg at verizon.net Mon Apr 11 19:43:56 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:43:56 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/11/2011 In-Reply-To: <001901cbf7f1$e7418180$b5c48480$@net> References: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001901cbf7f1$e7418180$b5c48480$@net> Message-ID: <004701cbf8bb$77e72180$67b56480$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Monday 4/11/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between reports was about ~26 1/2h. Plume dropped its intervals down to an hour again. Hard to see this afternoon due to, you guessed it, more snow. Still can't see the benches at Old Faithful, bring shovels! Sure looked like there were two Penta eruptions this evening but I have been fooled by the steam clouds down there before..... Aurum 1243ie, Beehive 1542 Indicator 1535ie, Daisy 0903ie, 1752, Depression 1010ie (?), 1732ie, Grand 0854ie, Old Faithful 0827, 1125ie, 1302ie, 1430ie, 1559, 1731, 1904ie, 2042, Penta 1704ie, 2028ie (?), Plume 0825, 0929ie, 1027ie, 1127ie, 1227ie, 1327ie, 1423ie, 1521ie, Riverside 1011ie, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Tue Apr 12 19:35:52 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/12/2011 In-Reply-To: <004701cbf8bb$77e72180$67b56480$@net> References: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001901cbf7f1$e7418180$b5c48480$@net> <004701cbf8bb$77e72180$67b56480$@net> Message-ID: <004e01cbf983$81dfa220$859ee660$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Tuesday 4/12/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between reports was about ~26h. Of course the indicator started 40s after I left for a 30min walk..... Daisy around 2h40m, Plumes mostly under an hour. Depression around 3 hours. Beehive 1737 Indicator 1723, Castle 1125ie Major, Daisy 1150ie, 1434, 1709, 1949, Depression 0921ie (?), 1515ie, 1836ie, Grand 1441ie, Lion 1908ie Initial, 2034, Little Squirt 1929ie, Old Faithful 0734ie, 0902, 1037, 1218, 1349, 1527, 1656, 1829, 2020, Plume 0623ie, 0721, 0819, 0919, 1019, 1119, 1215, 1318, 1504, 1606, 1701, 1753ie, 1848, Graham Meech From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Wed Apr 13 05:19:02 2011 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:19:02 EDT Subject: [Geysers] opening day Message-ID: <5e90d.1c07ae21.3ad6eeb6@aol.com> Hi everyone, There has really been very little spring since the roads closed in March. I recommend that everyone swings by Norris to check out the ice cone in the Black Growler/ Ledge Geyser area, I think it may have grown more since I was there on Feb. 27th with the weather we have been having. Also a side note, Big Sky will be open through Easter on 04/14/11. You can go to bigskyresort.com to purchase $29 lift tickets, and for 50% lodging rates for weekdays. All lifts except for Dakota and Lone Moose will be operating. The discounted lift tickets are online only. When online go to e-tickets anter the discount code of BSDRV29 (all uppercase). Discounted Tickets are available 4-12 through 4/15 & 4/18 through 4/21 tickets must be purchased by 3 pm the day before. Mr. Warnock, how about a geyser gazer ski party? See you in the park on Friday! Jim Holstein Yellowstone Tour Guides -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110413/ee0c1df1/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Wed Apr 13 19:27:52 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:27:52 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/13/2011 In-Reply-To: <004e01cbf983$81dfa220$859ee660$@net> References: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001901cbf7f1$e7418180$b5c48480$@net> <004701cbf8bb$77e72180$67b56480$@net> <004e01cbf983$81dfa220$859ee660$@net> Message-ID: <004d01cbfa4b$8e363700$aaa2a500$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Wednesday 4/13/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was 13h55m overnight and then 11h4m in daylight for a 25h double interval too, right in its regular range of late. Plume down around 50 minutes this afternoon. We had a Lion initial, Grand and Beehive in the space of 30 minutes this evening. Grand had a nice 2 burst eruption and then a minute later Beehive took off. The indicator was going at the start. Beehive 0732 (Indicator 0717ie), 1836, Castle 0744ie (steam phase), 2013ie (steam phase), Daisy 1647, Depression 0846ie, 1748, Grand 1824 (2b), Lion 0719ie, 1810ns Initial, 1929, Old Faithful 0738, 0904ie, 1041ie, 1214ie, 1409ie, 1540ie, 1719, 1852, 2020, Penta 0759ie (?), 1835ie (?), Plume 1004ie, 1057ie, 1152ie, 1335ie, 1602, 1740ie, 1916ie, 2008, Riverside 0830ie, 2011ie, Graham Meech From roberthaker at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 18:13:38 2011 From: roberthaker at yahoo.com (robert haker) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] opening day In-Reply-To: <5e90d.1c07ae21.3ad6eeb6@aol.com> Message-ID: <894343.34192.qm@web130222.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi,?? I'm a snow bird from Lewistown MT.? I'm also a 42 year veteran geyser gazer. ?????? I'm on Mustang Is. TX. They are having the sand sculpting semi-finals. ?????? I'm having a blast star gazing. Canopus is still above the horizon and staying out at night is a pleasure. ?????? Does Jens Day still have a gazing party at Black Sand parking lot?. They were very informative as the night sky in Y.N.P. is spectacular. ??????? Nuff said---- ??????????? G O??? G I A N T !!!!! ??????????????? R O B?? H A K E R????? ???? ? ps?? surfs up !!! --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Seeyellowstone at aol.com wrote: From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com Subject: [Geysers] opening day To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 6:19 AM Hi everyone, ? There has really been very little spring since the roads closed in March.? I recommend that everyone swings by Norris to check out the ice cone in the Black Growler/ Ledge Geyser area, I think it may have grown more since I was there on Feb. 27th with the weather we have been having. ? Also a side note, Big Sky will be open through Easter on 04/14/11. You can go to bigskyresort.com to purchase $29 lift tickets, and for 50% lodging rates for weekdays. All lifts except for Dakota and Lone Moose will be operating. The discounted lift tickets are online only.? When online go to e-tickets anter the discount code of BSDRV29 (all uppercase).? Discounted Tickets are available 4-12 through 4/15 & 4/18 through 4/21 tickets must be purchased by 3 pm the day before. ? Mr. Warnock, how about a geyser gazer ski party? ? See you in the park on Friday! ? Jim Holstein Yellowstone Tour Guides -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110413/481f699d/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 14:08:57 2011 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:08:57 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] snow and bears, welcome to spring! Message-ID: I'll catch up on reading emails soon, but for now, I don't think the right equipment is available to clear the very consolidated snow down to Morning Glory, so be prepared. And, now both the large bear and a smaller, younger bear are around: at Black Sand, the overpass and between Castle and Grand lately. Carolyn Loren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110414/f49727a3/attachment.html> From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:30:16 2011 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Week before opening Message-ID: <864964.48096.qm@web39504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been down at Faithful since Monday, changing out mattresses at the Snowlodge, and I've gotten out in the basin a few times briefly. Tuesday morning (4/12/2011), Little Squirt was active 715ie. ?Little Brother is still doing intervals of less than a minute. ?In the afternoon, Plume 1606. ?Churn had high water when I got to the Sawmill Group, but the group was completely stalled out, with Spasmodic quiet, Tardy Quiet, and Sawmill with the water in it, but not erupting, and Grand was an empty crater. ?Bulger did erupt at 1634, while I was waiting to see if Churn was going to do anything. ?The front right section of Scalloped Spring's crater has had a collapse of the geyserite, presumably from bison. ?To get out to the basin, first I was post holing about ankle deep to Castle, and then at Castle, because the snow is still so deep, but rotten, I had my feet on the edge of the boardwalk, with my arms out in front of me on the piled snow, and side stepped to where I could climb up by Crested Pool. Wednesday (4/13/2011), I caught Aurum at about 1645. ?I was driving, and didn't note the exact time. ?The boss bought us pizza in West Yellowstone, so as we were heading north, there was a large steam cloud from Great Fountain at about 1715. ?Again, I was driving and unable to note the exact time, but perhaps the information will help narrow down a window, although Firehole Lake Drive won't be open. Thursday (4/14/2011). ?They plowed the bike path! ?Hooray! ?However, the path from the bike rack in front of Lower Hams to the main path was not plowed as of midday. ?The gravel cutoff path to YPSS is almost nearly melted out and dry, so should not be to difficult for a decent mountain bike. ?The driver of the first of two semi trucks full of mattresses said he saw a grizzly right before the overpass on his way in. ?He said it looked as big as a van. ?My wildlife lately: bluebirds, a flock of robins, a bunch of sandpipers, and my first osprey of the season! ?Oh, and bison. Karen Low -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110414/32570644/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Thu Apr 14 19:31:35 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:31:35 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/14/2011 In-Reply-To: <004d01cbfa4b$8e363700$aaa2a500$@net> References: <376775.22878.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <001901cbf7f1$e7418180$b5c48480$@net> <004701cbf8bb$77e72180$67b56480$@net> <004e01cbf983$81dfa220$859ee660$@net> <004d01cbfa4b$8e363700$aaa2a500$@net> Message-ID: <003e01cbfb15$3d723150$b85693f0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Thursday 4/14/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was 15h16m overnight, still a 26h20m double interval though. Plume intervals seem to be very long today, all over an hour and one of 81 minutes! Old Faithful had 3 shorts this afternoon alternating with longs. Enjoy opening day tomorrow! Aurum 1128ie, Beehive 0952 Indicator 0946ie, Daisy 2027, Depression 0757ie (?), Grand 1350ie, Old Faithful 0705, 0838ie, 1009ie, 1144ie short, 1300ie, 1432ie (short?), 1542, 1727 short, 1829, 2006 long, Penta 1755ie, Plume 0644ie, 0920ie, 1039ie, 1144ie, 1253ie, 1405ie, 1508ie, 1629ie, 1740, 1850ie, 1957, Riverside 0744ie (?), 1922ie, Graham Meech From Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com Fri Apr 15 14:18:24 2011 From: Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com (Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:18:24 +0100 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: BBC article Message-ID: As this appears to have tripped up using Tricia's email, I am relaying it through Dan "Tricia Miller" 15/04/2011 21:17 To cc Subject FW: BBC article From: Tricia Miller [mailto:triciamilleruk at gmail.com] Sent: 14 April 2011 11:15 PM To: 'geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu' Subject: BBC article This has recently appeared on the BBC website. If anyone has problems accessing the page I can copy the article into an email. Tricia Miller http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13061779 ========================================== Innoval Technology Limited Registration Number: 4583982 in England and Wales VAT Number: GB 811 9811 35 From meechg at verizon.net Fri Apr 15 20:04:55 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 04/15/2011 Message-ID: <725500.38178.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Here are some times from the webcams for Friday 4/15/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between reports was 27h17m, so still nice and predictable for the late winter visitors. Beehive 1309ie Indicator 1255ie, Castle 0717ie (?), 1841ie H2O, Daisy 0739ie, 1038ie, 1642ie, Grand 0904ie, Lion 0702ie, 0724ie, 0821, 0925, 2009ie, Little Squirt 0733ie, Old Faithful 0658, 0832, 1007, 1150, 1321ie, 1458ie, 1638ie, 1800ie, 1931ie, Plume 1131ie, 1230, 1349ie, 1446ie, 1750ie, 1947ie, Graham Meech From Koka.Sreenivas at mayo.edu Fri Apr 15 19:48:09 2011 From: Koka.Sreenivas at mayo.edu (Koka, Sreenivas, D.D.S., Ph.D.) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:48:09 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: BBC article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Everyone: I am in Santiago, Chile for a meeting but will be heading to San Pedro de Atacama on Sunday with a trip to the El Tatio geysers possible on either Monday or Tuesday. Does anyone have any advice to share about the El Tatio geysers? Cheers, Sree -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:18 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Fw: BBC article As this appears to have tripped up using Tricia's email, I am relaying it through Dan "Tricia Miller" 15/04/2011 21:17 To cc Subject FW: BBC article From: Tricia Miller [mailto:triciamilleruk at gmail.com] Sent: 14 April 2011 11:15 PM To: 'geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu' Subject: BBC article This has recently appeared on the BBC website. If anyone has problems accessing the page I can copy the article into an email. Tricia Miller http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13061779 ========================================== Innoval Technology Limited Registration Number: 4583982 in England and Wales VAT Number: GB 811 9811 35 _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From Mauree0258 at aol.com Sat Apr 16 15:01:04 2011 From: Mauree0258 at aol.com (Mauree0258 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:01:04 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Fountain Geyser Message-ID: <5cf2e.2eefdcbd.3adb6ba0@aol.com> Fountain Geyser is blue and awesome as always. Lots of snow on the boardwalks, yet with a little shoveling and help from the sun, the boardwalk is beginning to surface. Very nice out today (Sat. the 16th) at the 11:52 eruption. About 43 degrees and sunshine. Yesterday's times were 11:18 and 17:30, so thankfully it is doing near to 6 hour intervals, which will hopefully make it easier to see. Maureen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110416/471add96/attachment.html> From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 17:02:48 2011 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Norris Geyser Basin, 4/16/11 Message-ID: <593226.1021.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is still very deep snow at Norris Geyser Basin; in many places the snow is well above the boardwalk side railings, but the snow is getting soft, and we were post-holing frequently. ?Steamboat's runoff channel had less water in it than I am used to seeing. ?Echinus was warmer, clear blue, with boiling in the pool. ? I was surprised to see Porkchop Geyser empty. ?We could see the thin geyserite ledge overhanging the empty crater. ?Even the lower pool was nearly dry, and the runoff channel didn't look like it had any flow for quite some time. Sagebrush Lizard Hot Springs were splashing, but behind it towards Porkchop the long, uneven pool was empty. ?Pearl Geyser was splashing, but not very high. Vixen Geyser was active, with an interval of about 15 minutes, and durations of a minute and a half to two minutes. If any of my pictures turn out, I'll post them on facebook. Karen Low -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110416/c808958e/attachment.html> From goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu Sat Apr 16 19:04:57 2011 From: goldbeml at ucmail.uc.edu (Michael Goldberg) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Norris Geyser Basin, 4/16/11 In-Reply-To: <593226.1021.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <593226.1021.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: According to the Yellowstone Volcanic Observatory temperature monitors, Steamboat became markedly less active on or around April 3, and the ground near Vixen heated up the next day. Porkchop appears to have emptied out on April 11-12. I can't interpret the Constant data very well. Up until April 3 it appears that Steamboat was still doing cyces of about 2.5 days on, then a half-day of relatively little discharge. All of these charts are available from the main page: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/activity/monitoring/norris/index.php Michael Goldberg michael.goldberg at uc.edu On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Karen Low wrote: > There is still very deep snow at Norris Geyser Basin; in many places the > snow is well above the boardwalk side railings, but the snow is getting > soft, and we were post-holing frequently. Steamboat's runoff channel > had less water in it than I am used to seeing. Echinus was warmer, > clear blue, with boiling in the pool. > > I was surprised to see Porkchop Geyser empty. We could see the thin > geyserite ledge overhanging the empty crater. Even the lower pool was > nearly dry, and the runoff channel didn't look like it had any flow for > quite some time. > > Sagebrush Lizard Hot Springs were splashing, but behind it towards > Porkchop the long, uneven pool was empty. Pearl Geyser was splashing, > but not very high. > > Vixen Geyser was active, with an interval of about 15 minutes, and > durations of a minute and a half to two minutes. > > If any of my pictures turn out, I'll post them on facebook. > > Karen Low > From meechg at verizon.net Sat Apr 16 19:48:06 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/16/2011 Message-ID: <606764.85798.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Here are some times from the webcams for Saturday 4/16/11 taken from the chat log (), thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between reports was about 25 hours...so predicatble it almakes me yawn....? Remember how much fun when we didn't know if it would erupt or not? Daisy was about 2 1/2 hour intervals. Penta showed up again. Beehive 1432 Indicator 1418,? Castle?0840ie Major, Daisy 1214ie, 1439ie, 1715, 1952, Depression 0819ie, 1151ie, Grand 1221 (2b), Lion 0810ie, 0934ie, 1043ie, 1152ie minor (or a big roar?), 1209, Old Faithful 0731ie, 0906ie, 1031ie, 1209 short, 1308, 1443ie, 1621, 1754, 1920, Penta 1813ie, Plume 0657, 0751ie, 0954ie, 1203, 1303, 1357, 1457, 1558, 1653, 1835, 1927, 2017, Graham Meech From pollypanos at earthlink.net Sat Apr 16 19:44:29 2011 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:44:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Geysers] Norris Geyser Basin, 4/16/11 Message-ID: <22475385.1303008269156.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: OFbear.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 94073 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20110417/c1b019f2/attachment.jpg> From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 17 19:33:38 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/17/2011 In-Reply-To: <606764.85798.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <606764.85798.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01cbfd71$06254a30$126fde90$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Sunday 4/17/11 taken from the chat log (), thanks for the reports. Big excitement on the webcam this morning was a grizzly on Geyser Hill at the carcass between the Beehive railing and Sponge. It was in view for over half an hour and then seen later walking between the camera and Old Faithful, heading down-basin. I gather Geyser Hill was closed for a while and then reopened well before Beehive erupted so it was not too inconvenient for the gazers. Beehive interval between reports was under 26 1/2 hours. Daisy intervals 2h25m and sh40m. Dome was active today too. Grand was just under 7 hours. Aurum 0837ie (?), 1238, Beehive 1650ie Indicator 1638ie, Castle 1257ie, Daisy 1340, 1605, 1845, Depression 1116ie, Dome 0937ie, 1903ie, Grand 1324, 2021ie (2b), Lion 0814, 0927ie, Old Faithful 0648ie, 0830, 1007, 1139, 1312, 1450, 1616, 1747, 1927 short, 2030ie, Plume 0710ie (?), 0815ie, 0921ie, 1133, 1229, 1323, 1423, 1523, 1617, 1734, 1831, 1924, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Mon Apr 18 19:17:30 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:17:30 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/18/2011 In-Reply-To: <002d01cbfd71$06254a30$126fde90$@net> References: <606764.85798.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <002d01cbfd71$06254a30$126fde90$@net> Message-ID: <006201cbfe37$efdc4e00$cf94ea00$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Monday 4/18/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval overnight was 13 1/2 hours and then about 12h45m in daylight, so about 26 1/4 double ... yawn..... Grand interval was about 8h10m. Dome was still active today. Plumes were all under an hour. Beehive 0617ie, 1854 Indicator 1845ie, Castle 1643ie H2O Major, Daisy 1629ie, 1911, Depression 0700ie, 1241, 1525ie, 1839ie, Dome 0839ie, 0911ie, 0948ie, 1215, 1444ie, 1721ie, 1844ie, 1927ie, Grand 0914ie, 1725ie (2b), Lion 0653, 0806ie, 0914ie, 1015ie, 1126ie, 1225ie, 1336 minor, Little Squirt 1737ie, Old Faithful 0729ie, 0915ie, 1053ie, 1228ie, 1400ie, 1536, 1703, 1844ie, 2012, Plume 1238ie, 1330, 1423, 1515, 1612ie, 1710, 1805, 1903, 1959, Graham Meech From pollypanos at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:00:21 2011 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:00:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Geysers] Bears, bison, and such Message-ID: <15504085.1303261221377.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110419/494d8032/attachment.html> From pollypanos at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 19:23:45 2011 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Opening weekend Message-ID: <1173673.1303266225579.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hello everyone! Here are the geyser times that I have from opening weekend. Thanks to others in the basin who also called times. I tried to check with the webcam reports so that there aren't too many repeats. Friday, April 15: Aurum ~0900, 1257 Plume 0927ie, 1031ie, 1130, 1229, (webcam time of 1349ie), 1446, 1550, 1750 Beehive 1308 Ind. 1255 Terra Cotta 1610ie (one vent) Churn 1002ie, 1021ns, 1616, 1654 Artemisia's steam cloud at 1704ie Castle 1836ie Oblong 1722ie It had some very high bursts for part of the eruption. One was the height of the dead tree that was in my line of sight from Grand. Grotto 1007ie It appeared to be ie most of the day (via steam cloud). Bulger was active. I did see different sizes of eruptions during my visit - some were short in height and in duration. Others were longer and higher. Tardy was in control during my visit. In fact, I only saw Sawmill for a short period on Sunday. At about 9:00 a.m., Tom from West Yellowstone walked down to Fan & Mortar. He said that he watched it for about 10 minutes and that everything was quiet. He said that he didn't even hear any water sounds from the vents. The rangers replaced the marker at about 10:00(but it had been some time since the last marker was placed.) Saturday, April 16 Castle 0829 major, 2300e Plume 0850, 0954, 1056, 1203, 1303, 1358 Grand 0129e, 1221 T2Q Churn 1114ie West Triplet 1122ie (off before 1137), 1331ie Daisy 1211 Riverside 1214ie Oblong 1230ie, 1642ie Beehive 1432 Ind. 1418 Aurum 1449ie Grotto 1501ie Rocket Major 1745 Fountain 1152, 1807 d=30 Sunday, April 17 0803ie Grotto - it may have been near the start Dome 0813ie, 1215ie Daisy 1110ie Riverside 1114ie Grand 0514e, 1324 G1C West Triplet was full & overflowing before Grand, but it did not erupt while I was there. The duration of Grand was on the short side - about 9 1/2 - 9 3/4 minutes. Fountain 1119ie Aurum 1236 Castle 1256 major Steve and I happened upon an event cycle in progress at Fan & Mortar at 0910 with Main Vent splashing. We saw a River Vent pause (River on at 0918, off at 0931), followed by almost continuous splashing in Main Vent during much of the pause. River came back on at 0938, Gold followed at 0950 and Angle at 0956. The water levels looked good to start, but gradually became variable and then diminished. Considering what the weather report had been, we were pleasantly surprised by the weather. The wind on Friday was brisk as well as at times on the other days, too. It wasn't too cold for the most part as long as you had on windproof outerwear. It was unsettled, though, with snow and clouds at times. It rained overnight Saturday-Sunday. I was fortunate, though, because I think that all of the eruptions of the major geysers that I saw were in sunlight with bright beads of water shimmering. The bike path is plowed to Grotto, but there are no bike racks available as yet. The boardwalks were variable. In some spots, you had to climb up 2 1/2 to 3 feet onto the packed snow. In other places, it was either completely clear or you could side step on the boardwalk beside the packed snow. The daytime temperatures were about 40, so the snow was slushy in the afternoons. As the weekend progressed, the packed snow was starting to fall apart, which made it more difficult to traverse without falling. At Grand, a couple of benches are clear for sitting, but in some spots you couldn't tell where they were. Overall, it really helped to have some sort of spikes or other traction on your boots and perhaps a ski pole. My ability to roam around the basin was more limited than usual, though, due to both the snow/ice and the bear activity. There was a surprising number of visitors in the basin - especially on Friday when the Beehive overlook was as well occupied as it can be on summer mornings. Happy Gazing! Polly Panos From meechg at verizon.net Tue Apr 19 19:48:03 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:48:03 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/19/2011 In-Reply-To: <006201cbfe37$efdc4e00$cf94ea00$@net> References: <606764.85798.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <002d01cbfd71$06254a30$126fde90$@net> <006201cbfe37$efdc4e00$cf94ea00$@net> Message-ID: <004b01cbff05$5eaf57a0$1c0e06e0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Tuesday 4/19/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval overnight was ~14 hours, and about 26 3/4 double ... yawn..... No evening indicator seen before dark ~2045. Grand was about 9 hours and averaged 8 1/2 for the overnight intervals. Castle had a minor this evening. Daisy had a nearly 3 hour interval this evening, the longest I remember for a while. Aurum 0727ie, 1007, 1410ie, Beehive 0858ie Indicator 0857ie, Castle 0654ie, 2012ns minor, Daisy 1240, 1747, 2040, Depression 0643ie, 1040ie (?), 1812ie, Grand 1014ie, 1923 (2b), Lion 0724, 0835, 1129ie, Little Cub 0904ie, 1222ie, Little Squirt 0648ie, Oblong 1951ie, Old Faithful 0722, 0858, 1028, 1206, 1338, 1524, 1654, 1830, 2004, Plume 0741ie, 0848ie, 1000, 1107, 1222, 1328ie, 1428ie, 1530, 1638, Riverside 0948ie, Graham Meech From riozafiro at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 06:44:43 2011 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 06:44:43 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive Railing Message-ID: Hi. Just wondered if anyone knew when the railing at Beehvie Geyser was going to be dismantled (on the right in the attached webcam snap). I thought it was just a temporary railing for winter use. I realize there is still snow in the area, but I am also hoping it is gone by Memorial Day weekend. Thank you! Pat Snyder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110420/5880704b/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Railing.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 28294 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20110420/5880704b/attachment.jpg> From meechg at verizon.net Wed Apr 20 19:36:00 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/20/2011 Message-ID: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Here are some times from the webcams for Wednesday 4/20/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. More sightings of the big grizzly again today.? Just after 1700 the bear was back feeding on the carcass on Geyser Hill for about 50 minutes although the streaming camera quit part way through.? Several visitors went round the boardwalk before Law Enforcement came and closed Geyser Hill.? The bear headed up to the back of Geyser Hill and vanished in the OF and Giantess steam close to the tree line.? Around 1900 the bear was seen down in the Castle meadow and it wandered around for about 10minutes before heading past the Castle bridge and out of sight in the steam. Beehive interval was 26 hours between reports ...yawn.....? Beehive 1058 Indicator 1046, Castle 1912ie H2O Major, Daisy 1106ie, 1629, 1916ie, Depression 0620ie, Grand 1403ie, Old Faithful 0701, 0832, 1009ns, 1137ie, 1319ie, 1455ie, 1623, 1801ie, 1935, Plume 0700ie, 0758, 0851ie, 0946ie, 1041, 1220ie, 1312ie, 1403ie, 1455ie, 1635, 1726, 1820, 2008ie, Riverside 0911ie, Graham Meech From udo.freund at lmco.com Thu Apr 21 06:52:18 2011 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:52:18 -0600 Subject: EXTERNAL: [Geysers] Beehive Railing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23DD9F944D89C246A5F84A6E2F6193B9DDF9AB31@HDXMSP8.us.lmco.com> It'll be gone around the same time the one at Aurum is removed, around the first of never. In the name of safety there will probably be more "people corrals" in the basins. Hope not. What happens when someone is injured because a railing provided a false sense of security or blocks escape in a life-threatening situation? I'm also concerned for critters who need freedom of movement in order to survive, but animals don't sue NPS, do they? Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Pat Snyder Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:45 AM To: geysers Subject: EXTERNAL: [Geysers] Beehive Railing Hi. Just wondered if anyone knew when the railing at Beehvie Geyser was going to be dismantled (on the right in the attached webcam snap). I thought it was just a temporary railing for winter use. I realize there is still snow in the area, but I am also hoping it is gone by Memorial Day weekend. Thank you! Pat Snyder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110421/e79c9bb1/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Thu Apr 21 19:14:00 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/21/2011 In-Reply-To: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Thursday 4/21/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was 23h8m between reports, excitingly short interval! Everything is white with snow again, Happy Easter! Aurum 1157ie (?), Beehive 1004 Indicator 0945ie, Castle 0907ie steam, Daisy 0916ie, 1132ie, 1710ie, Lion 1157ie, 1318ie, 1521ie, 1608, 1713, 1826ie, Old Faithful 0721, 0856, 1152ie, 1336, 1509, 1619ie, 1806, 1933ie, Plume 0601, 1258, 1455, 1736, 1823, 1916, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Fri Apr 22 19:27:56 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/22/2011 In-Reply-To: <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> Message-ID: <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Friday 4/22/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was 29h between reports, excitingly long interval! Of course if you average yesterdays shorter cycle and today's longer cycle you get .....yep ....26 hour averages between reports......zzzzzzzz. Grand interval about 10 hours. Plume intervals were long today, looks like one was 82min. Beehive 1502 Indicator 1448, Castle 1255ie, Depression 2016ie, Daisy 1303, Grand 0630ie, 1625ie (2b), Lion 0810, 0925ie, 1027ie, 1133ie, 1250ie, 1413, 1533, Old Faithful 0615, 0748, 0931ie, 1102ie, 1235, 1418, 1600, 1736, 1846, Plume 0919ie, 1036, 1158ie, 1318, 1549, 1819ie, Riverside 0809ie, 1955ie, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Sat Apr 23 20:15:12 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:15:12 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/23/2011 In-Reply-To: <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> Message-ID: <003101cc022d$d36112c0$7a233840$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Saturday 4/23/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was under 22h between reports, excitingly short interval! It didn't look like the indicator was going at the start and there had not been much splashing before, so maybe a short double interval? There was a lot of steam this evening from the Churn area and it looked like it was erupting at 1948ie. After Plume had long intervals yesterday it locked onto intervals around an hour all day with 14 eruptions between 24 and 40 minutes past each hour. Beehive 1255ns, Castle 0805ie H2O Major, Churn 1948ie, Daisy 1350ie, 1611ie, 1836, 2110ie, Depression 0724ie, 1057ns, 1438ie, 1755ie, Grand 1013, 1813 (2b), Lion 1858ie Initial, 2018ie, Oblong 1227ie, 1823ie (?), Old Faithful 0610ie, 0739, 0915, 1057ie, 1240, 1408, 1546, 1721, 1846, 2015, Plate 1318ie, Plume 0728, 0824ie, 0925, 1028, 1132ie, 1231ie, 1328ie, 1431, 1533, 1630, 1727, 1832, 1940, 2040, Riverside 0735ie, 1910ie, Graham Meech From meechg at verizon.net Sun Apr 24 19:51:40 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/24/2011 In-Reply-To: <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> Message-ID: <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Sunday 4/24/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive today was 26 1/4 hours since the last report...maybe back to its regular self again. Daisy running about 2 1/2 hours. Depression had a 4 and then a 3 hour interval. We did see Penta and Churn on the camera today and there may have been another Penta but the steam made it hard to tell for sure. Would be good to get some in-park reports of what's going on in the Sawmill Group. Aurum 1344, Beehive 1509 Indicator 1454, Castle 1243ie H2O Major, Churn 1049ie, 1309ie, Daisy 0804ie, 1042ie, 1307, 1536, 1811, 2045, Depression 0629ie, 1038ie, 1327, Lion 1735ie Initial, 1855, 1959, Oblong 2033ie, Old Faithful 0545ie, 0724, 0859, 1034, 1214, 1355, 1537ie, 1707, 1859, 2012, Penta 0916ie, Plume 0649ie, 0840, 0940, 1036, 1131, 1223, 1409, 1558, 1700, 1755, 1846, 1943, Rift 1425ie, Riverside 1246ie (some wisps of steam in the right place, may have been an eruption?), Graham Meech From ndamtns at grizzlymail.net Mon Apr 25 10:39:43 2011 From: ndamtns at grizzlymail.net (Curt & Cheryl Loeffler) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:39:43 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser list posting Message-ID: I found a journal yesterday while on a bike ride in the Park. It appears to belong to a geyser gazer named Jacob Lloyd. I don't know Jacob, but if you are on the list, please email me. I would like to get your journal back into your hands. If anyone knows Jacob and knows how to get in touch with him, I would appreciate any help. I'm guessing that Jacob may still be in the Park as the last entry is from April 22nd. I'm located in West Yellowstone, so a local pickup is possible. My email is: ndamtns at grizzlymail dot net. I can send my phone number in an email if it is more convenient. Thanks, Curt Loeffler From taigabridge at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 12:12:13 2011 From: taigabridge at hotmail.com (Gordon Bower) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:12:13 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Short spring geyser report Message-ID: Our first trip into the park this year, April 22-23, was just a quick one to see what was open and get a feel for what to expect on the rest of our early-season weekends. So far it was a pleasant surprise. ALL of the trails in the Upper Basin and Norris, as well as the Black Sand, Biscuit, Midway, and Fountain Paint Pots trails, were open. The grizzly bear that had been frequenting the Upper Basin hadn't been seen since the early morning of the 21st. It sounded like they were closing trails the day a bear was seen and reopening them within a day when the bear moved on. I remember lots of springs where you couldnt go ANYwhere in the Upper Basin until after the first of May. The NPS logbook is already in "2 pages per day" format, and the visitor center staff were all very friendly about access to the book and did a good job monitoring the radio for geyser news. Rather curiously, there were a lot times that were in the webcam log but not in the logbook and vice versa. The two together form a nearly complete picture of Plume, Lion, Depression, etc in daylight hours, but there doesn't appear to be a mechanism in place for combining the two data streams, which is unfortunate. On the Hill, Little Squirt splashed a couple times but failed to start Saturday afternoon; water levels acted as they usually did "the day of Little Squirt", e.g. Silver Spring dropping almost out of sight and boiling hard. This presumably is the explanation for the earlier than expected Beehive Saturday (and, perhaps, also for the way Plume was running 80 minutes Friday but 60 minutes Saturday?) Aurum is very, very full of water: substantial discharge from the main vent and the satellite vent by the 3-hour mark, lots of times standing water is visible in the main vent gently boiling a few inches below the rim; at least 4 other cracks in the formation besides the prominent satellite vent bubbling and oozing. Little Cub is less fortunate: its durations are down to 5? minutes, on 40-45 minute intervals that would normally accompany 6 or 7 minute durations. The trail to Solitary is...well...passable in the morning when the snow is frozen hard, but we did it in the afternoon and sunk in pretty deep. We were rewarded with a few goodsized eruptions on a beautiful sunny day for our trouble though. It will be pretty much unwalkable for the next few weeks until the deep soft snow turns into shallow soft snow and then mud. I did not see a peep out of Sawmill the whole time I was there. Many very long Tardy eruptions. Penta did not cooperate for me, erupting only when I wasn't in the basin, but active every day. I saw one 2-eruption Churn series, starting several minutes after a very long Tardy ended; at least two other 3-eruption series were in the logbook. Two nice 2-burst Grands; two merely adequate Oblongs (water visible from Grand, but no monster eruptions like I got used to seeing the last couple years). Nobody has yet posted to the list about Fan and Mortar. I understand secondhand that the first eruption since opening day happened around midday Friday, while everyone was elsewhere. I may or may not have seen a steam cloud from it from Biscuit Basin between 1300 and 1330. I didn't personally make it farther downbasin than Grand either day, so no details from me on what it did before or after. At Biscuit Basin, Jewel is having nice strong eruptions - sometimes up to 20 seconds of continuous surging at the start instead of pausing between what would normally be first, second, and third bursts - and producing a modest amount of runoff despite the low water level. Intervals were 10 to 12 minutes instead of the usual 7 to 9 (and no corresponding increase in duration.) Rusty is also having some very impressive eruptions, sometimes hitting 3 to 4 meters instead of the usual eyeball-height-or-lower play, and also waiting 2 or 3 minutes between them instead of the 1? or so I remember in the past. Avoca Spring is surging noisily, splattering a bit of water over the rim and even managing to moisten its runoff channel. I saw nothing out of any of the Silver Globes. One closed? Outpost interval of 11 minutes. No news on Till or Flood. Water levels in the Fountain Group are very low (pool out of sight in Fountain's crater unless it's erupting) and the one eruption of Super Frying Pan I saw was only 5 minutes long. Steve Eide, among others, may be posting more details on Fountain; at least one eruption a day was making its way into the logbook. At Norris, Steamboat was having frequent strong minors, and putting a healthy amount of water down the channel - all south vent and all angled, however. Dare we hope that it still "normally" progresses to South function after it has been dead? The view from the upper platform is impressive; in many places at Norris, there is enough snow that your feet are higher than the tops of the boardwalk handrails, and at Steamboat you are tall enough to see over the tops of the pine trees that obscure the view from the upper platform the rest of the year. In the cold morning air, the billows of steam looked almost like "an Echinus eruption in the wrong place," from a distance. Echinus was still in steady overflow. Green Dragon was below overflow; Yellow Funnel was very low, and iron-oxide-red rather than yellow at all. Porkchop is still drained, the pool on Porkchop's shoulder just below overflow. Many intensely active perpetual spouters in the area between Pearl and Yellow Funnel. The one nearest where the trail descends from Yellow Funnel was big enough to be a contender for second-largest geyser at Norris (behind Steamboat minors.) Pearl was splashing weakly. A sickly green-brown color at the outer rim of its crater and in the runoff. Vixen remains active every few minutes. We watched several eruptions; the two weakest just filled the pool, splashed once, and drained; more typically it lasted up to 20 seconds and got a few spikes to 4 or 5 meters. The little bit of water that was making it over the outer rim and oozing through the gravel was moving toward Pearl and under the trail, not toward Tantalus Creek as it did 20 years ago. There was considerable wash in the gravel leading under the trail here. Just a tiny wisp of steam from the hot ground on the other side of the boardwalk. I have to wonder how much of the increase in "ground temperature" on the Volcano Observatory webpage was really the ground heating up, and how much was the area being saturated in boiling runoff from a Vixen major. Veteran looks promising too; the front pool has fresh spiny orange geyserite, implying the pool fills about high enough to cover the vent fairly frequently. The back vent was splashing noisily. The "auxiliary pool" toward Cistern Spring was puffing lots of steam with audible splashing just below the surface. Rubble has cleared its vent - in place of the slumped soil, a diamond-shaped 50x50cm vent, geyserite at the rim, steaming water just below the top. There didnt appear to be any recent rearranging of the runoff channel, however. A perpetual spouter between Minute and Monarch is doing very well this spring, getting up to at least a meter and starting to cement the gravel berm around its vent into a respectable little cone. I spent very little time in the Porcelain Basin partly because of the snow on the trails, and partly because from the overlook, all the excitement appears to be in the far corner of the basin where the trails do not go. :( From stepheneide at cableone.net Mon Apr 25 16:30:19 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report April 16-24 Upper Basin Message-ID: Greetings and Salutations, I missed opening day but did make it to the park April 16-24 2011. I will break this report into sections to make it easier for me. In the Upper Basin [Biscuit and Black Sand to come separately] this is what I saw: Bronze Spring was very full and lightly overflowing whenever I walked past it. I only saw Little Squirt once, but I spent a lot of time at F & M. Both Big and Little Anemone were active. Plume was usually at about an hour as Graham has been reporting, but on the 22 it was more like one hour ten to one hour twenty minutes. Depressions were in te 3=4 hour range. Little Cub was in the 45-50 minute range for intervals. I usually was not sure then Loin had its initial but I think we usually had at least part of a series during the daylight each day. Oops, forgot Beehive. On Beehive the Bubblers were not active. Usually it appears the intervals are in the 11-15 hour range. For the few times I got to see the water in the indicator first the time from water to the start of BHI was about half a minute or less, The time from BHI to Beehive was in the 10-15 minute range. I don't know what happening on the 23rd, Beehive on the 22 was at 1502, then it surprised everyone with an eruption on the 23rd at 1254 ie, perhaps without the indicator. Unfortunately none of the gazers in the basin could see the area around BHI when BH started. Other than that Beehive looked very stable. Plate showed up on the 23 with a nice normal eruption. But only that one was seen. Aurum was in the 3-4 hour range usually except on the 22nd it erupted at 1054, 1349, and 1744 for two consecutive intervals under three hours. Doublet pool thumps as normal. Vault is about an inch or so below overflow as in Infant. Dome had an eruptive series that lasted about two days. Due to bears and snow I decided not to visit Solitary Geyser. The hole that was erupting last year between Scissors Spring and Depression but on the other side of the boardwalk was quiet when I looked at it. Uphill Geyser (aka ":The Mouth") was active. In the Sawmill group it was almost all Tardy cycles. I saw Sawmill once up close and I think I saw it one other time from a distance. Other than that it was all Tardy cycles. I think Penta erupted at least daily, sometimes several times a day. Churn was even more active, it erupted at the end of most of the Tardy cycles even if Penta did not erupt in series of two to six eruptions about 20 minutes apart. Until this trip I have never seen a Churn eruption, but on the 24 I saw nine in a 4.5 hour period over two Tardy cycles. Also Bulger was very active with minors building up to one to three majors, then back to minors again. Crystal springs side vents were also very active during the week. However I saw no sign of Uncertain or Slurp. Old Tardy was about as active as usual. The Sawmill group was quite fun to be in. Beauty Pool has all the energy and overflow. Chromatic is now cool, it has lost that nice light blue color in its throat it had last year. Oblong appeared to be pretty regular in the 4-6 hour range. Grotto was usually in marathon when it erupted, I only saw one eruption of about 1.5 hours, one of about 4-5 hours, and the others were all marathons, one a day. In spite of that nothing appeared to be happening at Giant. And although Spa looked like it was going to erupt several times, it didn't for me. Daisy was in the 2.5 to 2.75 hour range in spite of the high winds most of the week. I did not manage to catch Pyramid during the trip. Riverside appears to be doing almost all shorts. The afternoon eruptions walked back each day from 4-17-11 1658, 4-18-11 1608 ie, 4-20-11 1458, 4-21-11 1402, 4-22-11 1407 ie, 4-23-11 1320 and 4-24-11 at 1236 ie. A marker was place on Fan and Mortar on the morning of 4-15-11. As Polly reported there was a good event cycle on Sunday. I saw a weak event cycle with two splashes in Main Vent on Monday. Then for Wednesday and Thursday I saw nothing but some occasional steam out of Main Vent. On Friday 4-22-11 Butch Bach radioed the marker was in place at about 1020 or 1030. I took a risk and went to Fountain. When I returned and walked down Fan and Mortar had already erupted; sometime between about 1030 and about 1400 when I arrived, By 1400 all was quiet and dead. Sigh, no walk up F & M this trip. Little Brother is active as Karen Low mentioned. The intervals are between one eruption every two minutes to two eruptions per minute. The average was about 45 seconds for the short time I watched. Basin Spring is below overflow. More soon, Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110425/cff37bd2/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Mon Apr 25 17:09:23 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:09:23 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report Upper basin Message-ID: Hello, I just remember I forgot Grand. Grand's eruptions were all in the 8-11 hour range as I remember. Of course, I waited on Grand before I left the park so it erupted at the 10 hour 42 minute mark. For the week I had two one-burst eruptions and one two-burst eruption. West Triplet has the same green-brown color it has had the last few springs and the same anemic activity; sometimes sitting for hours between light overflow and just below overflow. However on Sunday, while the same color, it erupted like the normal West Triplet. I only saw Rift once for the week. I saw no activity at all from the Sputniks. Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110425/38e4d33d/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Mon Apr 25 19:37:50 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:37:50 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/25/2011 In-Reply-To: <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> Message-ID: <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Monday 4/25/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between eruptions of just over 26 hours - need I even bother to point it out any more? Not easy to see at times due to more whiteout conditions. I guess the nice weekend was summer, now back to winter? We did get to see a nice Grand eruption which had about a 10min first burst and then a second burst. Beehive 1720 Indicator 1706ie, Castle 1702ie late steam phase, Daisy 1658ie, Grand 1834 (2b), Lion 1028ie, 1146ie, 1241ie, Little Squirt 0731ie, Old Faithful 0716ie, 0852ie, 1028ie, 1156ie, 1316ie, 1451ie, 1556ie, 1731, 1903, 2031, Plume 1238ie, 1434ie, 1629ie, 1723ie, 2007, Graham Meech From gosastore at roadrunner.com Mon Apr 25 22:20:09 2011 From: gosastore at roadrunner.com (GOSA Store) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:20:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser list posting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008a01cc03d1$9cac2f80$d6048e80$@com> I will respond to this privately. Jacob is a "Sput" subscriber. Udo Freund GOSA Store www.gosa.org -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Curt & Cheryl Loeffler Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:40 AM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser list posting I found a journal yesterday while on a bike ride in the Park. It appears to belong to a geyser gazer named Jacob Lloyd. I don't know Jacob, but if you are on the list, please email me. I would like to get your journal back into your hands. If anyone knows Jacob and knows how to get in touch with him, I would appreciate any help. I'm guessing that Jacob may still be in the Park as the last entry is from April 22nd. I'm located in West Yellowstone, so a local pickup is possible. My email is: ndamtns at grizzlymail dot net. I can send my phone number in an email if it is more convenient. Thanks, Curt Loeffler _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From mckfgkwinteroaks at hughes.net Tue Apr 26 11:03:42 2011 From: mckfgkwinteroaks at hughes.net (Fred Kallien) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Geysers] Lakeview's Old Perpetual Message-ID: <1227842796.278627.1303841022408.JavaMail.mail@webmail06> A friend alerted me to this story. http://outsidetheinterzone.blogspot.com/2011/02/oregons-geyser-geysing-again.html I have not visited Lakeview to see it but maybe some of you have. Fred Kallien From meechg at verizon.net Tue Apr 26 19:56:59 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:56:59 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/26/2011 In-Reply-To: <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> Message-ID: <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Tuesday 4/26/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval overnight was ~17 1/4 hours, rather long for recent averages. No eruption in the next 11 1/2 hours too. Aurum 0914ie, Beehive 0833 Indicator 0823, Castle 2010ie H2O Major, Churn 0939ie (?), Daisy 1443, 1726, 2019ie, Depression 0905, 2016ie, Grand 1558ie, Lion 0559ie, 0715ie, 0811ie, 0845ie, 1001ie, 1333, Oblong 0942ie, Old Faithful 0706, 0840, 1012, 1149ie, 1327, 1509, 1637, 1816, 1941, Plume 0706, 0810, 0914, 1458, 1556, 1700ie, 1807, 1925, Riverside 1750ie, Graham Meech From udo.freund at lmco.com Wed Apr 27 12:25:25 2011 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:25:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] April SPUT Message-ID: <23DD9F944D89C246A5F84A6E2F6193B9DE233706@HDXMSP8.us.lmco.com> The April edition of the "Geyser Gazer Sput" is in the mail. With a little luck the US Postal Service will deliver it before the month ends. Enjoy! Thanks, Udo Freund "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110427/891c830c/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Wed Apr 27 13:12:39 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:12:39 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report, Black Sand, Biscuit, and Midway Message-ID: Greetings and Salutations, My apologies for being so slow here with the report of my park visit April 16-24 2011. In the Black Sand Basin there are very few changes. Spouter and Cliff appear to be normal. Ragged and Jagged only had small eruptions for me, but that is not unusual. I only saw weak splashing out of Sunlight Geyser. The fumarole between Spouter and Iron Creek is still active but slightly weaker. Green Spring does not look like it was active recently, it is not boiling and the wash area around it has unwashed buffalo droppings. UNNG BSB-2 was just a quiet pool, it did not even vary in level when I watched it. Emerald Pool looks even cooler. The little spring to the east of the boardwalk to Emerald is still hot, maybe boiling, with a steady overflow. Cinnamon Spouter (UNNG BSB-3) was its usual self, perpetual to 2-4 feet. Handkerchief Pool and Handkerchief Geyser were both just bubbling, UNNG BSB-5 was erupting to a few feet. The perpetual spouter just under the boardwalk in front of Rainbow pool is much less active, barely bubbling at all. Rainbow Pool and Sunset Lake are beautiful and hot, but not erupting. Nothing but light steam and a little overflow from Whistle Geyser. In the Biscuit Basin my report is much like what Gordon Bower noted. Island Geyser is active, the water levels in the river are still low. Salt and Pepper are still active perpetual spouters, if anything they are about a foot taller than I noticed last year. There does appear to be a small vent below Salt and Pepper just a few inches above the river level that bubble, perhaps erupts to 1-2 inches. Most of the time it was hard to see through the steam from Salt and Pepper. Black Diamond was warm and getting clearer and the small algae mats between it and Black Opal are intact so I doubt it has erupted recently. As Gordon noted Jewel had intervals of 10-11 minutes and the eruptions were longer and appeared to be to be a bit higher. Shell Spring was ie when I was in the area. Avoca Spring was boiling strong and occasionally erupting to six feet but only rarely, with minutes to tens of minutes between the big eruptions. The pool level of Silver Globe is fluctuating, rising and falling as much as three centimeters. At first I thought these rises were in relationship to Avoca Spring but as I watched more I think the action was independent of the activity in Avoca. I did not see any other action in the Silver Globe group. East Mustard was normal with intervals in the seven to eight minute range. I caught a closed interval for Outpost Geyser of four minutes and saw one eruption of Green Bubbler, That was all I saw in the Outpost area. From the sound of it Black Pearl and Coral were bubbling/boiling deep in the craters but that was all I saw. Sapphire Pool was normal. I did not see Mercury Geyser erupt for the week,or ever catch an eruption of Artimesia. I did see Atomizer once from the road. In the Midway Basin I think Till is active from the wash marks after it snows but I did not catch any eruptions. Flood Geyser appeared to be normal for the short time I watched it. Turquoise Spring is full and it looked like during the winter it was overflowing into Excelsior. The water was very clear. Opal pool was full with very light overflow and the water was also clear with only a slight hing of opalescence. Stephen J. Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jet and Super Frying Pan still appear to be trading the energy with Jet erupting every 6-10 minutes until Super Frying Pan erupts and that will usually shut Jet off. If enough time passes without Super Frying Pan Jet will restart or of course if Fountain erupts Jet will restart. Super Frying Pan does appear to have a bit more run off and has washed away some gravel to reveal an old sinter sheet that is light tan instead of the silver-gray of the new sheets. Bearclaw was erupting to 1-2 inches, the first time I have seen it above ground for a few years. Twig would join Fountain on some eruptions, but only some of them. Spasm was the same, it will sometimes start minutes to over an hour before Fountain but not on all eruptions. I did see Clepsydra shut off once after Fountain but usually I did not wait for it, the Fountain area was too windy and it was usually cold. Jelly was low and clear. Sub Geyser only rarely showed light steaming. The hole behind the bench by Spasm that showed up last year is being filled in by gravel from the run off from Super Frying Pan. Water used to drain quickly from this hole, but now it can sit in the hole for hours before it drains. Nothing was seen from Old Cone. The mud pots have good activity. The center pool is a bit wet but the side mud volcanoes are more active and sometimes throw mud up to 6-8 feet high. Silex Spring is normal and clear. Celestine Pool had a couple of 3-4 foot boils for me as i walked past. Unfortunately due to the steam from Clepsydra and the wind direction I saw very little in the Sprinkler or Kaleidoscope groups. I did see Angle or the latest reincarnation of Angle and I think I caught Impatient Miser Geyser. I know I saw Honey's Vent but that is all. Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110427/3c5b9bae/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Wed Apr 27 19:52:53 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/27/2011 In-Reply-To: <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> Message-ID: <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Wednesday 4/27/11 taken from the chat log (), thanks for the reports. Beehive interval between reports was ~29 hours. Daisy had an interval over 3 hours this evening, longer than its recent activity. The other event this evening was an entire busload of people walking all over Old Faithful's cone and collecting samples of the formation and taking lots of pictures. I counted at least 26 of them and then they scurried back to the boardwalk when someone in uniform arrived. Aurum 1606ie, Beehive 1343 Indicator 1325ie, Daisy 1013ie, 1558ie, 1902, Lion 1204ns, 1323ie, 1323ie, 1440ie, 1555ie, 1718, 1821, 1954, Old Faithful 0620, 0757, 0943, 1114 short, 1216ie, 1410, 1533, 1701, 1835, 2009, Penta 1745ie, Plume 0932, 1037, 1243ie, 1342ie, 1656, 1753, 1942, 2044ie, Riverside 1742ie, Graham Meech From david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu Wed Apr 27 15:21:04 2011 From: david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu (David Schwarz) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] 1901 New York Times article Message-ID: Is it fair to say that the following article is completely devoid of anything resembling a legitimate fact? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40716FA3F5B11738DDDAF0A94DA405B818CF1D3 The article, published Feb. 26, 1901 claims that on Feb. 18, 1901 a geyser "200 feet south" of Fountain erupted from a 5-foot vent in a solid column to a height of 500 feet for 90 minutes, and then briefly at intervals of two hours. 200 feet south of Fountain is in the island of trees inside the current boardwalk. The article adds as an afterthought that Excelsior erupted for 5 hours on Washington's birthday (Feb. 22), flooding the Firehole and scalding fish up to two miles downstream. I'm just wondering whether anything unusual actually happened or the whole thing was just a fabrication of snow-addled residents. David From dmonteit at comcast.net Thu Apr 28 03:04:32 2011 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Cone Walker Video -- 4/27/2011 In-Reply-To: <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> Message-ID: <1303985072.16069.7.camel@dhcppc0> I've posted the video of Wednesday's cone walkers. Be sure to watch the video at the 2m30s point. A few people off trail led to a lot of people of trail. I've also included still webcamera images showing the arrival of law enforcement. By the way, this is the second time I've seen cone walkers at Old Faithful in the last 4 days. Not a good record. Link to the video: Dave On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 22:52 -0400, Graham Meech wrote: > Here are some times from the webcams for Wednesday 4/27/11 taken from the > chat > log (), thanks for > the reports. > > Beehive interval between reports was ~29 hours. Daisy had an interval over > 3 hours this evening, longer than its recent activity. > > The other event this evening was an entire busload of people walking all > over Old Faithful's cone and collecting samples of the formation and taking > lots of pictures. I counted at least 26 of them and then they scurried back > to the boardwalk when someone in uniform arrived. > > Aurum 1606ie, > Beehive 1343 Indicator 1325ie, > Daisy 1013ie, 1558ie, 1902, > Lion 1204ns, 1323ie, 1323ie, 1440ie, 1555ie, 1718, 1821, 1954, > Old Faithful 0620, 0757, 0943, 1114 short, 1216ie, 1410, 1533, 1701, 1835, > 2009, > Penta 1745ie, > Plume 0932, 1037, 1243ie, 1342ie, 1656, 1753, 1942, 2044ie, > Riverside 1742ie, > > Graham Meech > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Thu Apr 28 07:52:22 2011 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:52:22 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] 1901 New York Times article---from Lee Whittlesey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David---I can tell you that Rocco Paperiello and M.A. Bellingham and I have puzzled over this article and ones like it for many years. There are several other newspaper articles similar to this one. I remember long ago believing that this winterkeeper (indeed, Fountain Hotel and its nearby transportation complex had winterkeepers in place during this period) may have seen an eruption of today's Morning Geyser but if so apparently misjudged its height and its location. Morning Geyser broke out in 1899 and had large eruptions for several years after that. See WONDERLAND NOMENCLATURE under Morning Geyser for this detailed history. However, there are at least two other newspaper stories that say that this alleged 500-foot-eruption in 1901 was later confirmed as false. My footnote in WONDERLAND NOMENCLATURE cites Olin Wheeler, Marler, and Hatfield, to wit: Olin D. Wheeler, Wonderland 1900, 1900, p. 111 and photo at frontispiece. This is also in George Marler, Inventory..., June, 1973, pp. 508-509. A report of a "500" foot high geyser eruption in 1901 located "two hundred yards south" of Fountain Geyser was published from newspaper clippings in W.F. Hatfield, Geyserland and Wonderland..., no date, probably 1901, p. 73. At first I thought this to refer to some eruption of Morning Geyser but a check of further newspaper clippings reveals that the report was later confirmed as false. See Ash Scrapbook, pp. 22, 26, YNP Research Library. Thanks, David, for the New York Times version. I'm not surprised that they picked it up. The Times was very good about covering Yellowstone, even from such a faraway location. Lee Whittlesey Park Historian David Schwarz To Sent by: Geyser Observation Reports lists.wallawalla. cc edu> Subject [Geysers] 1901 New York Times 04/27/2011 04:21 article PM Please respond to Geyser Observation Reports Is it fair to say that the following article is completely devoid of anything resembling a legitimate fact? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40716FA3F5B11738DDDAF0A94DA405B818CF1D3 The article, published Feb. 26, 1901 claims that on Feb. 18, 1901 a geyser "200 feet south" of Fountain erupted from a 5-foot vent in a solid column to a height of 500 feet for 90 minutes, and then briefly at intervals of two hours. 200 feet south of Fountain is in the island of trees inside the current boardwalk. The article adds as an afterthought that Excelsior erupted for 5 hours on Washington's birthday (Feb. 22), flooding the Firehole and scalding fish up to two miles downstream. I'm just wondering whether anything unusual actually happened or the whole thing was just a fabrication of snow-addled residents. David _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From meechg at verizon.net Thu Apr 28 19:12:41 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:12:41 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/28/2011 In-Reply-To: <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> Message-ID: <005901cc0612$ebdfc330$c39f4990$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Thursday 4/28/11 taken from the chat log (), thanks for the reports. Beehive was about 24 3/4 hours interval between reports. There were whiteout conditions and the streaming camera feed quit too, so not as many reports today. Aurum 1812, Beehive 1426 Indicator 1419ie, Castle 1815ie H2O, Daisy 0709ie, 0951, 1551ie, Grand 0655ie, 1704ie (2b). Old Faithful 0550, 0726, 0903ie, 1049, 1225ie, 1354ie, 1537, 1714ie, 1846, Plume 0808ie, 0902, 1047, 1133, 1653, 1842, Graham Meech From stepheneide at cableone.net Thu Apr 28 10:50:05 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:50:05 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report, Norris Message-ID: Greetings and Salutations, A short note on parts of Norris on 4-19-11. I spent the day in the library at Gardner and stopped in Norris on the way back. Much of what I saw is just a conformation of the info Gordon Bower already posted. I watched the Porceline terrace from the overlook for about ten minutes and saw no activity. The snow was warm and rotten so I did not try to go down the hill. The new feature below Rediscovered Geyser discribed by Mike Keller last fall appears to be quiet now. Minute Geyser appeared somewhat more powerful with some bursts to six feet tall. As Gordon said there are two perpetual spouters in the flat between Minute and Monarch, one about a foot high and the other maybe six inches high. Monarch looked unchanged from how it looked in the fall. Fearless geyser was bubbling weakly. Palpitator Spring was dry, no water at all. I forgot to look at Rubble Geyser. I caught three eruptions of Vixen at 1752, 1803, and 1815 ie, all in the 10-15 foot range for height and with only minor runoff. As Gordon said, much of the runoff is going West-Southwest under the boardwalk instead of going Northwest to the dirt foot path as it did last year. I am unsure if the wind had anything to do with this. Pearl did not erupt for me, it had overflow and was thumping regularly but did not manage to get water into the air. The springs across from Pearl (I lke to call them Creamsicle Springs due to there tan-orange color) were nearly quiet for the first time I have seen them since they were formed. Only one vent was active and it only bubble lightly, no splashing. Son of Green Dragon continues to be a tall perpetual spouter in the 10-15 foot range, erupting at an angle towards the corner of the nearby boardwalk. I did not see Orby in the short time I was there but a couple of the other geysers in that flat area did erupt. Corporal Geyser was acting as an intermittant spring. Dog Leg was active, the two major vents were bubbling intermittantly and a vent between them with gravel in it would erupt to about one inch every 20-25 seconds. Veteran was a weak spouter to a few feet high. Echinis was not active. There are two vents in Echinis, In the past when it did erupt I noticed the vent farthest from the runoff channel (closest to the upper deck) was the vent doing the most boiling. When the vent closest to the runoff channel was the most active, Echinis did not erupt. Well, the vent closest to the runoff channel was the most active. Steamboat had only weak surging and mostly north function. The hight was hard to judge as I was standing on 5 feet of snow on the lower platform. Also, I lost a Yak-trak in the Norris basin somewhere. I postholed several times and I thnk on one of them the Yak-trak was pulled off. Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110428/3eeb5b2e/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Thu Apr 28 11:28:57 2011 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (Stephen Eide) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:28:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Trip report, odds and ends Message-ID: Greetings, Here is the last bit from my trip report April 16-24 2011. When I arrived in the park the river levels were very low, but with the next two days of warm weather the river rose to about a normal level, not anywhere near spring flood state yet. You could start seeing well at about 0600 and it became dark at about 2030 I think. The snow level in the upper basin where there were no drifts and no thermal ground appeared to be about 4-5 feet on the 16th but only about three feet on the 24th when I left. Almost all the boardwalks had at least enough space to walk by without climbing on the snow, sometimes just single file but easily walkable. The only exceptions in the upper basin were the boardwalk from Tardy to Lion, the boardwalk from Beauty Pool to Grotto, and Grotto to Morning Glory. If the weather stays the same I expect these will clear off at least partly in the next two weeks. In the upper basin there is already a mating pair of Osprey. Bald Eagles were seen about every third day. A pair of Sandhill Cranes were in the Basic about every other day. Mountain Bluebirds were rare but they are already in the basin. There are still a few swans near the seven mile bridge. I saw one mink (I think) on the way in in Island Park. I saw no eagles on the nest below seven mile bridge or at the Madison site but I only looked quickly as I drove pass. There are two Grizzly Bears in the upper basin, a young one and an older one. They are most often seen in the fields by the freeway interchange but both showed up on the main hill at least once during he week. I only saw the young bear, I was in the Sawmill group waiting for Penta or Churn and kicking snow off the intersection at Sawmill when I looked up and saw the bear standing by Bulgar Geyser. I think he was about as surprised as me, I went to the Castle bridge and he went up into the trees north of Spasmodic. A few minutes later he showed up on Geyser Hill. So far they have not been aggressive or intrusive but when I left they were still in the area. The Bison look thin. Once you look past the thick winter coat you see you can count the ribs and the hip bones stand out clearly. The road slowdowns for Bison are frequent, they tend to travel on the road from grass patch to grass patch instead of walking through the snow. And they do not walk fast unless it is absolutely required. I saw the first baby bison on 4-20-11 with the mother still trailing the afterbirth. Also on 4-22-11 a newborn calf died by the freeway interchange, I think it froze or just passed overnight. Mom stayed with it for a day, but on the 23 it and Mom were gone. The Elk look scruffy but appear to be in better shape than the Bison. The plowed snow in the area has caused some stops to be dangerous, you cannot see over the snow wall to see oncoming traffic. I hope with melting this will improve soon. The Fountain parking lot was only about 1/3 plowed, only part of the entrance was plowed (only the out lanes) and there is no room in the lot for a tour bust to stop. Even with the low spring traffic it is causing problems in the parking lot, Traffic jams are happening and everything may plug up if a bus arrives. The parking area at Gibbon Falls is not plowed, there is no safe way to see Gibbon Falls. The upper loop road at Mammoth is still closed, Maybe they are waiting for the snow to melt instead of plowing it because in the last few years when they plowed it they did some damage to some of the thermal features like Orange Spring. Just a guess. I did not get to Canyon, but one of the staff there said the snow level there was about six feet and the Bison wee in even worse shape. Very few restaurants in West Yellowstone were open and almost none after eight o'clock. That should improve soon. Off season room rates were in the 50-70 dollars a night range in West Yellowstone. I did not know it until mid-week but opening week the park was free, no entrance fee. Stephen Eide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110428/07a135e2/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Apr 28 16:43:12 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] 1901 New York Times article Message-ID: <13065.5a813410.3aeb558f@aol.com> The answer to In a message dated 4/27/2011 7:55:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, david.schwarz at alumni.duke.edu writes: Is it fair to say that the following article is completely devoid of anything resembling a legitimate fact? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40716FA3F5B11738DDDAF0A94DA4 05B818CF1D3 The article, published Feb. 26, 1901 claims that on Feb. 18, 1901 a geyser "200 feet south" of Fountain erupted from a 5-foot vent in a solid column to a height of 500 feet for 90 minutes, and then briefly at intervals of two hours. 200 feet south of Fountain is in the island of trees inside the current boardwalk. Well, not likely, but. For one thing, I really like the "about 200 feet immediately" description of the location [emphasis mine]. It does not say directly south. So this actually leaves quite a lot of wiggle-room for there to be something. Query the figure of 200 feet. What today is called Spasm has in the past undergone some pretty powerful stuff. 500 feet, no. But in the winter cold......? The article adds as an afterthought that Excelsior erupted for 5 hours on Washington's birthday (Feb. 22), flooding the Firehole and scalding fish up to two miles downstream. The Excelsior business is entirely possible. There have been several rather credible reports of Excelsior in the winter and spring of 1901. In his "Wonderland Nomenclature," Whittlesey does not cite this New York Times article, but he does have the following: "Reports of Excelsior eruptions in 1901 were more substantive. Once again the reporter was long time Yellowstone observer G.L. Henderson who stated in a newspaper article entitled "In the Game Again--'Hell's Half Acre' is on the Rampage Once More" that Excelsior Geyser played for five hours on February 22, 1901._[1]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftn1) Two other newspaper articles published shortly after this make reference to Excelsior's alleged 1901 eruptions. One was published about a week later and in it Col. E.C. Waters gave his opinion that Excelsior "is now in action." The other, published April 11, 1901, simply stated that Excelsior was once again active."_[2]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftn2) ____________________________________ _[1]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftnref1) Henderson in Livingston Post, February 28, 1901. Henderson did not specify whether the eruption was continuous for five hours or broken into separate eruptions for that time period. _[2]_ (aoldb://mail/write/template.htm#_ftnref2) "Col. Waters' Views", Livingston Post, March 7, 1901. "Yellowstone Park", Livingston Post, April 11, 1901. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110428/983b6816/attachment.html> From gosastore at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 28 19:44:30 2011 From: gosastore at roadrunner.com (GOSA Store) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:44:30 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Cone Walker Video -- 4/27/2011 In-Reply-To: <1303985072.16069.7.camel@dhcppc0> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> <1303985072.16069.7.camel@dhcppc0> Message-ID: <001f01cc0617$5dc6dcf0$195496d0$@com> Obviously the "people corrals" on Geyser Hill need to be relocated. Udo Freund GOSA Store www.gosa.org -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David Monteith Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:05 AM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Cone Walker Video -- 4/27/2011 I've posted the video of Wednesday's cone walkers. Be sure to watch the video at the 2m30s point. A few people off trail led to a lot of people of trail. I've also included still webcamera images showing the arrival of law enforcement. By the way, this is the second time I've seen cone walkers at Old Faithful in the last 4 days. Not a good record. Link to the video: Dave On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 22:52 -0400, Graham Meech wrote: > Here are some times from the webcams for Wednesday 4/27/11 taken from the > chat > log (), thanks for > the reports. > > Beehive interval between reports was ~29 hours. Daisy had an interval over > 3 hours this evening, longer than its recent activity. > > The other event this evening was an entire busload of people walking all > over Old Faithful's cone and collecting samples of the formation and taking > lots of pictures. I counted at least 26 of them and then they scurried back > to the boardwalk when someone in uniform arrived. > > Aurum 1606ie, > Beehive 1343 Indicator 1325ie, > Daisy 1013ie, 1558ie, 1902, > Lion 1204ns, 1323ie, 1323ie, 1440ie, 1555ie, 1718, 1821, 1954, > Old Faithful 0620, 0757, 0943, 1114 short, 1216ie, 1410, 1533, 1701, 1835, > 2009, > Penta 1745ie, > Plume 0932, 1037, 1243ie, 1342ie, 1656, 1753, 1942, 2044ie, > Riverside 1742ie, > > Graham Meech > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From jwescottrn at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 08:12:10 2011 From: jwescottrn at yahoo.com (Joan Wescott) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Cone Walkers Again Message-ID: <244118.51374.qm@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thank you for posting the UTube on the 30 cone walkers. It really fires me up. 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URL: <#/attachments/20110429/925ff8e3/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Fri Apr 29 20:19:03 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:19:03 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/29/2011 In-Reply-To: <005901cc0612$ebdfc330$c39f4990$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> <005901cc0612$ebdfc330$c39f4990$@net> Message-ID: <002c01cc06e5$5bd70f40$13852dc0$@net> Here are some times from the webcams for Friday 4/29/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive was about 27 hours interval between reports ... got to resist yawning again..... The webcam was down for part of today but came back to life later. Beehive 1731 Indicator 1720ie, Daisy 1226ie, Grand 1123ie, 1924ie, Lion 0622, 1805ie initial, 1929ie, 2037ie, Old Faithful 0706, 0837, 1023, 1201, 1333, 1519, 1653ie, 1828ie, 2007ie, Plume 0622, 1223, 1329, 1435, 1536ie, 1635, 1747ie, 2009ie, Graham Meech From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Apr 29 15:43:05 2011 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] April Sput Message-ID: <3ada.2679cbc9.3aec98f9@aol.com> For Udo -- the April Sput made it to southern Arizona with a day to spare... For others -- I found the info about Luigi Lablache (page 13) quite interesting. If he really was born in 1794 and died in 1959, he either had quite a career or a very long retirement. Scott Bryan, who sometimes just can't stop himself -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <#/attachments/20110430/7abd7645/attachment.html> From jeff.cross at utah.edu Fri Apr 29 22:58:38 2011 From: jeff.cross at utah.edu (JEFFREY CROSS) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Marler Video Message-ID: <001102A1D2338147BC3359A852191E3D4B88DA725C@C8V2.xds.umail.utah.edu> Here's a link to some old geyser photographs and historical information about George Marler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tH07LkoCLs Jeff Cross jeff.cross at utah.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110429/95317974/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 13:22:11 2011 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:22:11 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] April Sput In-Reply-To: <3ada.2679cbc9.3aec98f9@aol.com> References: <3ada.2679cbc9.3aec98f9@aol.com> Message-ID: I don't know whether mine has arrived, since I'm on the road. I guess I was so used to typing 1959 after writing all the Hebgen Lake articles, that I typed 1959 instead of 1858. Lynn From: TSBryan at aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:43:05 -0400 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] April Sput For Udo -- the April Sput made it to southern Arizona with a day to spare... For others -- I found the info about Luigi Lablache (page 13) quite interesting. If he really was born in 1794 and died in 1959, he either had quite a career or a very long retirement. Scott Bryan, who sometimes just can't stop himself _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110430/1e5674ea/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sat Apr 30 20:16:18 2011 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:16:18 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/30/2011 In-Reply-To: <002c01cc06e5$5bd70f40$13852dc0$@net> References: <829482.46017.qm@web84202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005801cc0092$f210bc30$d6323490$@net> <003301cc015e$0e97e150$2bc7a3f0$@net> <001c01cc02f3$b434a800$1c9df800$@net> <005401cc03ba$efc7c970$cf575c50$@net> <005201cc0486$c713bcb0$553b3610$@net> <006001cc054f$5f1579e0$1d406da0$@net> <005901cc0612$ebdfc330$c39f4990$@net> <002c01cc06e5$5bd70f40$13852dc0$@net> Message-ID: <002f01cc07ae$23d7f040$6b87d0c0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Graham Meech Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:19 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 4/29/2011 Here are some times from the webcams for Saturday 4/30/11 taken from the chat log () and from Pat Snyder, thanks for the reports. Beehive interval was just over 17 hours overnight, presumably a single interval. We saw a 3h33m interval on Aurum so it's still in winter mode. Daisy was 4h22m and then more normal 2h41 and 2h42m intervals followed by what looked like a 3 hour interval. Not sure if the first one was a single or double interval. Depression interval was 3h33m. Did not see Sawmill or Penta all day but there was a lot of steam in the Churn area and Tardy was going most of the time. The wind was blowing all over the place making it hard to see at times with wind blowing steam at the camera. Not sure if the Lion series was just two eruptions or we missed some. Aurum 1551ie, 1924, Beehive 1043 Indicator 1027, Castle 1113ie Major, Daisy 0831ie, 1253, 1534ie, 1816, 2114ie (?), Depression 1343ie, 1736ie, Grand 1422, Lion 1220ie, 1326, Old Faithful 0647, 0825, 1000, 1136ie, 1314, 1444 short, 1553, 1741, 1914, 2058, Plume 0547, 0659ie, 0806ie, 1636, 1749, 1908, 2018, Graham Meech From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 08:53:20 2011 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] GOSA website updated (Daisy question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <644387.82885.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ralph, would it be possible to get the date of that long interval for Daisy? Thanks in advance. Karen Low ________________________________ From: Ralph Taylor To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 1:02 AM Subject: [Geysers] GOSA website updated I have updated the summaries and individual geyser info for all of the geysers for which data is available.? The last download was on 25 March; the next one should be in mid-June. ? As always, the data is at http://www.gosa.org/electronicsummary.aspx. ? Ralph Taylor _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110430/9a825a82/attachment.html> From ralpht at fuse.net Sat Apr 30 22:04:14 2011 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 01:04:14 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] GOSA website updated (Daisy question) In-Reply-To: <644387.82885.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <644387.82885.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3423127AD6A748BBA86B01396345EF80@MyNewLaptop> Karen, The interval in November was 22 hours 58 minutes from the eruption at 0357 on 23 November to 0256 on 24 November. Of course I can't be sure that an unusual ice formation didn't keep water from the thermistor, but it has not done so for so long a time before. The temperature stayed at 0 deg. C (freezing) until about 2000 on the 23rd, then climbed slowly to about 3 deg C before dropping to zero just before the eruption at 0256. I can email the graph or temperature values off-list if you want. Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Low Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:53 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] GOSA website updated (Daisy question) Ralph, would it be possible to get the date of that long interval for Daisy? Thanks in advance. Karen Low _____ From: Ralph Taylor To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 1:02 AM Subject: [Geysers] GOSA website updated I have updated the summaries and individual geyser info for all of the geysers for which data is available. The last download was on 25 March; the next one should be in mid-June. As always, the data is at http://www.gosa.org/electronicsummary.aspx. Ralph Taylor _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20110501/4ea73d26/attachment.html>