From lord_aragorn_elessar at hotmail.com Sun Jun 1 09:03:47 2008 From: lord_aragorn_elessar at hotmail.com (Paul Behunin) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:03:47 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an Old GeyserFaithful? In-Reply-To: <007101c8c2cb$1804da60$0300a8c0@Zechariah46> References: <007101c8c2cb$1804da60$0300a8c0@Zechariah46> Message-ID: I agree, this is a very interesting question. Page 3 of T. Scott Bryan's 3rd ed of "The Geysers of Yellowstone" talks about studying the tritium content of the erupted geyser water to determine its age. Since tritium is radioactive it decays over time; according to Wikipedia it has a half-life of 4500?8 days (approximately 12.32 years), meaning that after that amount of time the total amount of tritium will have decreased to half the original amount. Tritium decays into helium-3 (now we all have something to talk about at parties). "The Geysers of Yellowstone" says that tritium is nearly absent in most of Yellowstone's waters, so it must be "old" water. The book also says that "it is commonly believed that the water erupting from Old Faithful today fell as precipitation roughly 500 years ago." I assume this belief came about by a comparison of the tritium level of erupted Old Faithful water with that of a fresh rain sample from around Old Faithful & using the half-life formula for tritium? Since tritium is nearly absent (not totally absent) from the erupted water, there must be a measurable trace of it left, so we can get a reasonably accurate guess as to the age of the water. I don't know if the new paper that explores "Climate-Induced Variations of Geyser Periodicity in Yellowstone National Park, USA" takes all of this into account or not. As I said, an interesting question! Have a great day, all! Paul > From: thedulcimerlady at juno.com > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an Old GeyserFaithful? > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:04:41 -0600 > > I find this very interesting because I remember the ranger saying on a > geyser walk in 2000 that OF's water supply is about 500 years old. Not so? > Now I wonder how that info came about. > > Lucille Reilly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of > Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:22 AM > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: [Geysers] Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an Old > GeyserFaithful? > > > > ----- Forwarded by Lee Whittlesey/YELL/NPS on 05/30/2008 10:21 AM ----- > > > YELL Public > > Affairs To: > > Sent by: Al Nash cc: (bcc: Lee > Whittlesey/YELL/NPS) > Subject: (USGS/NPS News > Release) What Makes an Old Geyser Faithful? > > > 05/30/2008 09:26 > > AM MDT > > > > For Immediate Release - May 30, 2008 > > WHAT MAKES AN OLD GEYSER FAITHFUL? > > New research suggests that how often Old Faithful and other Yellowstone > geysers erupt may depend on annual rainfall patterns. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKmytKEUyc6X6NUcNzT1UNcxCo1eXFuQY025wmpUU63J3l4/ > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080601/fb92070d/attachment.html> From Goh83642 at wmconnect.com Sun Jun 1 09:25:00 2008 From: Goh83642 at wmconnect.com (Goh83642 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:25:00 EDT Subject: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need Advice Message-ID: You might write about the "Deaths in Yellowstone". The Park historian has a good book out on the subject. It covers indian killings, stagecoach holdups, thermal deads, etc. Quite a subject in the Parks history. Gary Henderson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Visual time 2-09-08 2205 2-19-08 0935 ??9d 11h 30m? 0932 2-27-08 1535 ??8d? 6h? 0m? 1533wc, Mastiff function 3-04-08 0415 ??5d 12h 40m ??change to daylight savings 3/9/08 3-11-08 1830 ??7d 13h 15m ?1836wc 3-22-08 2310 ?11d? 4h 40m 3-28-08 1755 ??5d 18h 45m? 1751wc 4-04-08 2245 ??7d? 4h 50m 4-16-08 1050 ?11d 12h? 5m 4-29-08 1505 ?13d? 4h 15m? 1502 ? ? Fan & Mortar Date???? Time?? Interval??? Visual time 09-03-07 1305?? 7d 16h 10m ?1308 09-12-07 2320? ?9d 10h 15m 09-21-07 0910? ?8d? 9h 50m ?0911 09-28-07 2300? ?7d 13h 50m 10-01-07 2100? ?2d 22h? 0m 10-04-07 2050 ??2d 23h 50m 10-08-07 2320 ??4d? 2h 30m 10-12-07 0250 ??3d? 3h 30m 10-16-07 0635? ?4d? 3h 45m 10-24-07 2030? ?8d 13h 55m 11-12-07 1401 ?18d 17h 31m change to standard time 11/4/07 11-16-07 1906? ?4d? 5h? 5m 11-22-07 0951? ?5d 14h 45m 11-26-07 0356? ?3d 18h? 5m 11-29-07 1441? ?3d 10h 45m 12-02-07 1436? ?2d 23h 55m 12-12-07 0306? ?9d 12h 30m 12-16-07 0816? ?4d? 5h 10m 12-24-07 1411? ?8d? 5h 55m 01-02-08 1726? ?9d? 3h 15m 01-11-08 0411? ?8d 10h 45m 01-17-08 1116? ?6d? 7h? 5m 01-20-08 0426? ?2d 17h 10m 01-28-08 1906? ?8d 14h 40m 02-02-08 0446? ?4d? 9h 40m 02-06-08 0951? ?4d? 5h? 5m 02-09-08 1851? ?3d? 9h? 0m (Data lost from 2-19-08 to 5-30-08) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Down the valley: Fountain 0716 and probably (by steam cloud) 1227ie. Pink Cone was seen by KC and Julie at 2058 last evening, and that works out to just about two 20-hour intervals from the prior sighting. Today I saw the end of Pink at 0656, so I determined to get an interval. It started at 1255 (d = 11m 23s), so the interval was just about 6h 10m. Now, to that Index. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It has opened a fissure behind it, which is > consistently boiling and surging, while blips of white water still jet > to about one foot from the original opening. > Clark Murray and I noticed a wet runoff channel from the original > geyser opening, and we were wondering if it did erupt more > significantly on occasion, although we didn't see it do so in about 45 > minutes of observation. > Pat Snyder > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From rfbarwin at charter.net Sun Jun 1 16:40:06 2008 From: rfbarwin at charter.net (Bob Barwin) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:40:06 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Two Geyser Photos References: <4AE6C8DB-DCFA-4616-A508-F6602C727BEF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00e501c8c440$d299e070$0801a8c0@artemesia> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Snyder" To: "Geyser List reports" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [Geysers] Two Geyser Photos > Hi, > Here are two photos from my trip to Yellowstone last week that I > thought would be of interest. > I saw PMG-2 "Stiletto" Geyser from the cabin area on May 26, 2008. > And here is Forgotten Fumarole ("Geyser Noir") in Norris Geyser Basin. > > Pat Snyder > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From Beckykr at aol.com Sun Jun 1 18:03:03 2008 From: Beckykr at aol.com (Beckykr at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:03:03 EDT Subject: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need Advice Message-ID: In a message dated 6/1/2008 7:25:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Goh83642 at wmconnect.com writes: You might write about the "Deaths in Yellowstone". The Park historian has a good book out on the subject. It covers indian killings, stagecoach holdups, thermal deads, etc. Quite a subject in the Parks history. Gary, I LOVE that book, probably more than would be considered normal considering the subject matter. I'm just afraid that all I would be doing is rehashing what Lee Whittlesey already wrote. This is only a short undergraduate paper, but I do have to quote numerous sources. Thank you for bringing it up though, because I can probably use something from it whatever my topic turns out to be. I hadn't considered it as a possible source. Thanks again, Becky **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While an individual parcel of water itself may take hundreds of years to circulate and descend to the level where it enters a geyser's plumbing, it, and the system within which it resides, is still under pressure from rainfall that percolates into the ground behind it - and this systemic pressure, if it varies, will also vary the rate at which water enters the geysers. ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France Wilderness Forever! Bruce Jensen --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Robert C. Johnson wrote: > From: Robert C. Johnson > Subject: [Geysers] RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 5:12 PM > Re : Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an Old Geyser > Faithful? > > As I understand from the study, the contention is that > variability of geyser functions is related to pressure on > the water table as determined by yearly precipitation. The > water in the system itself could indeed be 500 years old by > the time it reaches various geysers, while the pressure on > the system as a whole could reflect current seasonal > variations. > > Robert Johnson > > > > > > > From: geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu> > Subject: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2> To: > geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 > 16:23:49 -0700> > Send Geysers mailing list > submissions to> geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > To > subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to> > geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu> > You can reach > the person managing the list at> > geysers-owner at lists.wallawalla.edu> > When replying, > please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> > than "Re: Contents of Geysers digest..."> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Teapot Geyser > (TSBryan at aol.com)> 2. Teapot location > (TSBryan at aol.com)> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:17:05 EDT> > From: TSBryan at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Teapot > Geyser> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: > > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > In a > message dated 5/30/2008 5:42:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > > david.schwarz at gmail.com writes:> > I'm > attaching an image (not in eruption) to be clear about the > feature I'm > talking about, in case I've been > mistaken about its identity.> > > The cone in > David Schwarz's photo is NOT Teapot, but rather is > Split Cone. > It has been active in the past few years, > occasionally reaching as high as 2 > feet or so. In the > image that was posted, Teapot is not visible but, rather, > > would be pretty much down the slope behind Old > Faithful. I'm not sure Teapot > even shows in the > Webcam images, but I'm going to check (meant to > yesterday but > forgot).> > Scott Bryan> > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing > burgers. 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It is still in an impressive steam phase. The finger vents in Ledge were erupting every couple of minutes to a few feet. Arsenic Geyser erupted every 3 to 22 minutes reaching from 1 to 4 feet. Blue Geyser is full and overflowing heavily, but it does not appear to be erupting. One closed interval on Constant Geyser was 38 minutes. There is a fairly large (4 to 6 feet high) perpetual spouter playing in the flats about 70 yards behind Pinwheel Geyser in the middle of Porcelain Basin. BACK BASIN: I spent 90 minutes watching Steamboat. The minor play was 61% concerted. The largest play from the North Vent was about 15 feet high and from the South Vent about 20 feet high. The volume of water in most of the minors was impressive, and the play from the North Vent is more vertical than I have seen it in sometime. The runoff was fairly steady and when Steamboat had periods of strong minor play it is fairly impressive when watched from the footbridge at the base of the hill. Echinus has definitely erupted in the past few days. There is a fair amount of fresh wash along its basin. It was in overflow and gently bubbling in the 25 minutes I watched it today. Pearl Geyser is not erupting, but its basin is full and overflowing. The perpetual spouter across the trail to the south was active, reaching from 1 to 3 feet. Vixen Geyser looked inactive. One closed interval on Corporal Geyser was 22 minutes. Monarch Geyser was 1004ie, duration greater than 14 minutes. The largest boils reached about 3 feet. Forgotten Fumarole is still active, but is much weaker than noted last month. Closed intervals ranged from 9 to 14 minutes, but the eruptions are only reaching 2 to 6 feet. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080601/bcaa97e8/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Mon Jun 2 08:55:42 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:55:42 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806020855.42241.dmonteit@comcast.net> Becky. Three ideas. 1) t\Transition of the park from military to civilian management with the establishment of the NPS in 1916. 2) Introduction of cars to the park, the end of the stagecoach and how this changed the visitor experience -- approximately 1915 3) (Re)establishment of the bison heard in the park. Dave On Saturday 31 May 2008 10:27:16 Beckykr at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a lurker here, and I apologize for being a bit off topic. I am taking > a US History Class, and I have to write a short paper (3-4 Pages) on > something that happened between 1900-1950. Since I love Yellowstone, I > want to write about it, but the actual establishment of the park doesn't > fit that time frame. I love thermal features and geysers, but I'm open to > any Yellowstone topic. When was the army post at Mammoth? I was thinking > I could write about that or the way early visitors were transported around > the park and what they did. Any ideas from this period would be very > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Becky Kraegel > Woodstock, GA > > Very anxiously looking forward to my September visit.... > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From dmonteit at comcast.net Mon Jun 2 09:11:09 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:11:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris Message-ID: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit@comcast.net> Sorry for being late on this but I thought it was still worth posting. A couple quick observations from our Memorial Day trip. ?We spent a couple hours Sunday at Norris. ?I didn't make it to the back basin but still saw some fun stuff. The big news from Porcelain basin was Blue Geyser. ?It was active and overflowing. ?Bursts were variable but included some respectable 10-12 foot nicely domed eruptions. They were spaced 10-20 minutes apart. ?I haven't seen so much water in Porcelain basin since the mid to early 90s. ?In the hour and a half I was there I saw 13 geysers (Blue, Constant and Arsenic are the only ones I can name.) ?I also saw a twenty foot geyser in the general area of Graceful. The nice but steamy eruption lasted 4-5 minutes. Lastly, Guardian was active as a loud forceful steam vent that overpowered the volume of Black Growler. Even though it had melted considerably, he remaining icecone above Guardian was still impressive. Forgotten Fumarole was active. ?Tara saw a number of eruptions. ?Eruptions occurred about every few minutes (Tara's in Denver and I can't remember the intervals she got but I think they were in the 5-10 minute range.) ?The height and strength was quite variable with eruptions of very black muddy water from a few feet to about 12 feet. Dave From thedulcimerlady at juno.com Mon Jun 2 10:08:07 2008 From: thedulcimerlady at juno.com (Lucille Reilly) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:08:07 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Summer: a good time to see geysers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007901c8c4d3$433fd720$0300a8c0@Zechariah46> Does anyone connected with the OFI front desks know how gas prices are affecting room availability? Or can anyone working there get that info? We're thinking about stopping by at the end of July, but we're not sure yet. I would surely like to see Giant erupt! Lucille Reilly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/bd260967/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 2 15:06:38 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:06:38 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Mon June 2 Message-ID: Before the geysers, the geyser book -- Having gotten the Index back to the Production Manager today (receipt acknowledged), I am told that the 4th Edition of The Geysers of Yellowstone will be off to the printer by the end of this week so that it likely will be ready for distribution not later than mid-July. At about that time, should you wish to order the book right away you will be able to do so either via the University Press of Colorado website (_www.upcolorado.com_ (http://www.upcolorado.com) ) or by telephoning the distributor (which is the University of Oklahoma Press [yes]) at 1-800-627-7377. Lord, what a job it's been. BUT IT IS DONE! Now for today... cloud-covered sun and a cold breeze for much of the morning, but then some sun and a temp near 60 in the afternoon. Artemisia steam cloud 0805ie. A bit of a change at Giant, as seen around 0900. Don't know what it means, but Mastiff appears to have stopped depth-charging -- the sinter was bone dry right onto its rim -- and Giant has stopped jetting strongly enough to dump water onto the platform -- the sinter at and onto the base of the cone was bone dry, too. They were stioll doing those things yesterday, but except for remnant puddles (and there was overnight rain), the entire platform was dry today. Bijou was having occasional short ( From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 2 16:48:26 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:48:26 EDT Subject: [Geysers] giant chart June 2 2008 Message-ID: Attached is a chart that is up to date, based on the data provided by Jens Day -- with the very greatest of thanks. I believe you can see that there was rather significant change beginning in mid-winter. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/917bedda/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Giant chart through June 2 2008.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 33542 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20080602/917bedda/attachment.jpe> From ddbdc61 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 1 21:40:16 2008 From: ddbdc61 at hotmail.com (D B) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:40:16 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys, Kind of a lurker here myself, I heard a story once and don't remember much. How's that for the start of a great history paper. Anyway, I think it had something to do with the Lake hotel, a rich man and a boat. lol, I have made a friend that works usually at Lake. I will email him and find out the story. Anyway, the boat was suppose to be something quite special and the man was rich, used the boat to entertain guests. I think it went aground and was abandoned. the engine was later removed and I think it may have been the original generator for the hotel. Dont quote me on that. I know this sounds silly, and I know it isn't much help, but it did stick in my mind when you were asking for interesting history in yellowstone. Maybe someone on the list knows the story better. I will email my friend and ask him, then let you know. Doug From: Goh83642 at wmconnect.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:25:00 -0400Subject: Re: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need AdviceTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduYou might write about the "Deaths in Yellowstone". The Park historian has a good book out on the subject. It covers indian killings, stagecoach holdups, thermal deads, etc. Quite a subject in the Parks history. Gary Henderson _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/3a4ebf57/attachment.html> From riozafiro at comcast.net Mon Jun 2 18:04:16 2008 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris In-Reply-To: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5E249375-C3CA-4894-83B0-CEAA453B88E7@comcast.net> Here's a photo of the ice at Guardian. Pat Snyder -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: growler.snowbank.5.25.08.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 51410 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20080602/7c908582/attachment.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:11 AM, David Monteith wrote: > Sorry for being late on this but I thought it was still worth posting. > > A couple quick observations from our Memorial Day trip. We spent a > couple > hours Sunday at Norris. I didn't make it to the back basin but > still saw > some fun stuff. > > The big news from Porcelain basin was Blue Geyser. It was active and > overflowing. Bursts were variable but included some respectable > 10-12 foot > nicely domed eruptions. They were spaced 10-20 minutes apart. I > haven't > seen so much water in Porcelain basin since the mid to early 90s. > In the > hour and a half I was there I saw 13 geysers (Blue, Constant and > Arsenic are > the only ones I can name.) I also saw a twenty foot geyser in the > general > area of Graceful. The nice but steamy eruption lasted 4-5 minutes. > Lastly, > Guardian was active as a loud forceful steam vent that overpowered > the volume > of Black Growler. Even though it had melted considerably, he > remaining > icecone above Guardian was still impressive. > > Forgotten Fumarole was active. Tara saw a number of eruptions. > Eruptions > occurred about every few minutes (Tara's in Denver and I can't > remember the > intervals she got but I think they were in the 5-10 minute range.) > The > height and strength was quite variable with eruptions of very black > muddy > water from a few feet to about 12 feet. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 2 19:32:37 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:32:37 EDT Subject: [Geysers] giant chart June 2 2008 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:51:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time, TSBryan at aol.com writes: Attached is a chart that is up to date, based on the data provided by Jens Day -- with the very greatest of thanks. I believe you can see that there was rather significant change beginning in mid-winter. I guess I should have said that the chart's last data point, for June 2, 2008, does NOT represent an eruption, only the amount of time since the April 29 eruption. Sorry if anybody thought otherwise. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/387972bb/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 2 19:35:38 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:35:38 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Summer: a good time to see geysers? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:51:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, thedulcimerlady at juno.com writes: Does anyone connected with the OFI front desks know how gas prices are affecting room availability? Or can anyone working there get that info? We?re thinking about stopping by at the end of July, but we?re not sure yet. I would surely like to see Giant erupt! This isn't inside the park, but I've been told that the motels in West Yellowstone have been getting a lot of cancellations -- cancellations nicely matched by new reservations by overseas visitors. And I'll guarantee that you'll see a LOT of Chinese here this year. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/1c1d202d/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 2 19:40:28 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:40:28 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Avoca Spring Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:51:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, riozafiro at comcast.net writes: Avoca means "It leads" in Spanish (from the verb avocar, to lead), and whether or not that is the reason for the spring's name, it certainly has taken the lead over from the Silver Globes, and although there is water in that system, I didn't see anything erupt in about 30 minutes of observation. I'll have to go up to take a look at Avoca, because this activity is totally different from what I saw in April-early May when Silver Globe was high and Avoca was a quiet steam vent. As for the name -- who knows? Years ago, in the course of a guided Biscuit Basin walk ("Silver Globes, Sapphires, and Other Gems"), I had a visitor tell me about Avoca Spring in Ireland. Not far from Dublin, it was said to be the meeting camping and parley place, the one place in Ireland where competing kings (dukes, chiefs, whatever) could meet in peace. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/c96e5d36/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Mon Jun 2 22:34:40 2008 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:34:40 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris In-Reply-To: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Forgotten Fumarole was active. Tara saw a number of eruptions. Eruptions > occurred about every few minutes (Tara's in Denver and I can't remember the > intervals she got but I think they were in the 5-10 minute range.) The > height and strength was quite variable with eruptions of very black muddy > water from a few feet to about 12 feet. I spent about 90 minutes watching Forgotten Fumarole on May 25. I don't have my notebook available at the moment, but the intervals were all within the 12-14 minute range. Eruptions were mostly in the 5-8 foot range with a few higher bursts, maximum 10-12 feet. It seemed that the stronger eruptions came after the longer intervals. The eruptions lasted about 2 minutes and would sometimes have short pauses. No water actually welled up in the vent, and none was expelled outside the immediate crater. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/ec9bbc5e/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Tue Jun 3 09:34:13 2008 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:34:13 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Electronic data In-Reply-To: <8CA923A7E4FD11F-D24-23F9@webmail-nb04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA923A7E4FD11F-D24-23F9@webmail-nb04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Big thank you to Jens for posting the electronic Giant and F&M data! Tara To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Electronic data Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:09:16 -0400 From: jensjday2 at aol.com I downloaded the recorders at Giant and Fan & Mortar May 30, 2008. For only the second time in 20 years I was not able to get to the park during the winter. That with the bear closures this spring resulted in considerable data loss. Here is the electronic times from September 1 to May 30. Giant (Data lost from 9-4-07 to 2-7-08) Date Time Interval Visual time 2-09-08 2205 2-19-08 0935 9d 11h 30m 0932 2-27-08 1535 8d 6h 0m 1533wc, Mastiff function 3-04-08 0415 5d 12h 40m change to daylight savings 3/9/08 3-11-08 1830 7d 13h 15m 1836wc 3-22-08 2310 11d 4h 40m 3-28-08 1755 5d 18h 45m 1751wc 4-04-08 2245 7d 4h 50m 4-16-08 1050 11d 12h 5m 4-29-08 1505 13d 4h 15m 1502 Fan & Mortar Date Time Interval Visual time 09-03-07 1305 7d 16h 10m 1308 09-12-07 2320 9d 10h 15m 09-21-07 0910 8d 9h 50m 0911 09-28-07 2300 7d 13h 50m 10-01-07 2100 2d 22h 0m 10-04-07 2050 2d 23h 50m 10-08-07 2320 4d 2h 30m 10-12-07 0250 3d 3h 30m 10-16-07 0635 4d 3h 45m 10-24-07 2030 8d 13h 55m 11-12-07 1401 18d 17h 31m change to standard time 11/4/07 11-16-07 1906 4d 5h 5m 11-22-07 0951 5d 14h 45m 11-26-07 0356 3d 18h 5m 11-29-07 1441 3d 10h 45m 12-02-07 1436 2d 23h 55m 12-12-07 0306 9d 12h 30m 12-16-07 0816 4d 5h 10m 12-24-07 1411 8d 5h 55m 01-02-08 1726 9d 3h 15m 01-11-08 0411 8d 10h 45m 01-17-08 1116 6d 7h 5m 01-20-08 0426 2d 17h 10m 01-28-08 1906 8d 14h 40m 02-02-08 0446 4d 9h 40m 02-06-08 0951 4d 5h 5m 02-09-08 1851 3d 9h 0m (Data lost from 2-19-08 to 5-30-08) Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080603/5644b43e/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Jun 3 15:46:32 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:46:32 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Tues 6/3 Message-ID: Not a particularly pleasant day, with some sun but a lot of wind and only into the low 50s by afternoon. Yesterday Grotto apparently had some sort of long-ish eruption. None of us have any times, but this morning Marathon Pool was way down, Spa had only recently ended activity, Grotto and its runoff channels were bone dry, and Bijou was nearly, but not quite, dead. The recovery, if it can be called that, evidently took place during the morning Oblong, as it was just after that when Bijou took off with full force. We remain, however, with a rather dry platform and no discharge from Mastiff or Giant. That Oblong was 0915. Daisy 0658, 0859, and 1100ie. Fan and Mortar are quite content with having piles of dark gravel on the platform. Grand 0816 (G1C). Sawmill thoroughly in force. Castle 2109E major and today 1016 major. Lion 0543ie, 0704 ending, and apparently nothing more. Aurum 0648 and 1049. Beehive's Indicator 0954, Beehive 1008. The only Plume interval I got today was of 79 minutes (0924 to 1043). Great Fountain has us a bit puzzled, though this aftfernoon's action might answer a question or two. Yesterday it erupted at 1506. This morning, it had a false overflow at 0605 and clearly had not erupted unless long before then -- there was enough overflow to cause to pools to the north of the crater to steam, but no overflow before the pool dropped more than a foot; there wasn't the tiniest trickle of water in the runoff next to the road. I expected a morning eruption, but at about 1130 the platform was calm, the pool down a good foot, and the runoff channels dry. And as of 1300, it was all about the same -- the water came up a ways, dropped, and then had come up a bit again when I departed. Well, could be wrong, but I think Great Fountain was working on a 24+ hour interval. But the good stuff. I drove up and waited maybe 10 seconds for Labial at 0624. I drove up and waited maybe 2 minutes for Labial at 1143. Interval only 5h 19m. But I didn't see Pink today, and Pink Cone should have/and did erupt between those Labials. Back home by 2:30 to find that the gutters removed by the snow slide from the roof had been replaced. Yay. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/656439df/attachment.html> From s at weststartv.com Mon Jun 2 19:33:01 2008 From: s at weststartv.com (Smokey) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:33:01 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report-Norris June 1 In-Reply-To: <000001c8c467$d2e8d910$a69ae304@MikeKeller> References: <000001c8c467$d2e8d910$a69ae304@MikeKeller> Message-ID: <4844AD5D.6090101@weststartv.com> Hi Mike, Is this the same kind of activity we saw from Monarch in '94 and '95?? And... is it active from all three vents like then? Just curious if we are getting a repeat of that activity. Did you make it to "The Gap" area at all? I wonder what is still active out there. Take Care, Smokey Mike Keller wrote: > > PORCELAIN BASIN: > > > > The ice cone is almost completely gone from Guardian Geyser. It is > still in an impressive steam phase. > > > > The finger vents in Ledge were erupting every couple of minutes to a > few feet. > > > > Arsenic Geyser erupted every 3 to 22 minutes reaching from 1 to 4 feet. > > > > Blue Geyser is full and overflowing heavily, but it does not appear to > be erupting. > > > > One closed interval on Constant Geyser was 38 minutes. > > > > There is a fairly large (4 to 6 feet high) perpetual spouter playing > in the flats about 70 yards behind Pinwheel Geyser in the middle of > Porcelain Basin. > > > > BACK BASIN: > > > > I spent 90 minutes watching Steamboat. The minor play was 61% > concerted. The largest play from the North Vent was about 15 feet > high and from the South Vent about 20 feet high. The volume of water > in most of the minors was impressive, and the play from the North Vent > is more vertical than I have seen it in sometime. The runoff was > fairly steady and when Steamboat had periods of strong minor play it > is fairly impressive when watched from the footbridge at the base of > the hill. > > > > Echinus has definitely erupted in the past few days. There is a fair > amount of fresh wash along its basin. It was in overflow and gently > bubbling in the 25 minutes I watched it today. > > > > Pearl Geyser is not erupting, but its basin is full and overflowing. > The perpetual spouter across the trail to the south was active, > reaching from 1 to 3 feet. > > > > Vixen Geyser looked inactive. > > > > One closed interval on Corporal Geyser was 22 minutes. > > > > Monarch Geyser was 1004ie, duration greater than 14 minutes. The > largest boils reached about 3 feet. > > > > Forgotten Fumarole is still active, but is much weaker than noted last > month. Closed intervals ranged from 9 to 14 minutes, but the > eruptions are only reaching 2 to 6 feet. > > > > MK > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080602/05821da2/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Mon Jun 2 20:10:59 2008 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (Janet Chapple) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant picture competition Message-ID: <0974c4a702dda24f9051019ec73a1c70@earthlink.net> Hello photographers and gazers, The hotly contested competition for Giant pictures to go in "Yellowstone Treasures' " 3rd edition is over. A warm thank you to all eight of you who sent me 26 different shots to choose from. We could have a retrospective photo exhibition in the Geyser Gazer Sput! I only hope our beloved Giant has not gone to sleep for the whole summer. Second place goes to Graham Meech for his powerful straight-on shot, to be placed on page 92 of the book, where Giant is described. And first place goes to Pat Snyder for her dramatic view from over toward Grotto, which will be the book's new frontispiece. It was a real treat to see all these fine photos. Choosing between them was not easy. Go Giant! Janet Chapple From popcornbabe99 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 05:34:51 2008 From: popcornbabe99 at yahoo.com (PopcornBabe99) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Monday June 2, afternoon In-Reply-To: <20080602235044.34FFA58A53@lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: <888740.14105.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all, Sorry this is a day late. I work in the park and also have some health issues that keep me from spending as long in the basin as I would like. I went out yesterday afternoon to the Sawmill complex and spent about 2 and a half hours observing there. This is what I saw: Sawmill began an eruption ~ 1400. (Sorry I was looking at everything in the area and did not see the exact start. ) The spring to the right of the boardwalk was in overflow at that time and soon thereafter dropped and had had some large bubbling. (Twilight Spring, I believe, according to the book.) Sawmill shut down approximately 10-15 minutes after it began, it as a shorter eruption that I had ever seen personally. Thne energy then appeared to shift towards Spasmodic as it had considerably higher jetting from three vents as well as large surges from both pools. Oval Spring's water level was rising a bit. Water in the vents near Penta and across the boardwalk from Penta were rising also. I noticed at this time that Sawmill had gone into a deep drain. ( Boy was I hopeful that this was a Penta-Churn mode (forgive me for my inexperience with this), I've never seen Penta and really hoped to.) Churn was rising as well. The occasional bubble was seen in churn but no eruption, At 1422 Old Tardy began an eruption, which lasted just under five minutes, and the height was about 3-4 feet. The vigorous splashing in Spasmodic continued until around the time of Uncertain, which began it's eruption at 1442 and lasted for about 3 minutes, jetting to approx 5 feet. Uncertain began while the water levels were high near Penta and Penta was splashing enough to be seen every few seconds above the cone several inches. Post-Uncertain the water levels in Pena's vents dropped as did the water in the vents across the boardwalk. Oval spring was lowere at this point as well. Spasmodic dropped in the closer-to-boardwalk pool first and the jetting died off. 1452 Old Tardy began erupting again for another nearly-five minute eruption. I realize now that after Uncertain, Penta had lost its chance to erupt as I never saw the water levels come back. Also, Sawmill filled again, not completely, but it did not drain again. Nor did it erupt while I was there. and I left at about 1605, after one more Old Tardy at 1554 that again lasted about five minutes. All 3 Old Tardys I saw had about the same height of eruption. Churn's water level remained the same asI finally left due to rain storm coming in and fatigue. I hope I'm getting things right. I worry a little since I am still fairly new to Geyser gazing. Can't wait to get the 4th edition of Scott's book! Kate Parry geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu wrote: Send Geysers mailing list submissions to geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu You can reach the person managing the list at geysers-owner at lists.wallawalla.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Geysers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 (Bruce Jensen) 2. Geyser Report-Norris June 1 (Mike Keller) 3. Re: History of Yellowstone-Need Advice (David Monteith) 4. Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris (David Monteith) 5. Summer: a good time to see geysers? (Lucille Reilly) 6. Geyser report Mon June 2 (TSBryan at aol.com) 7. giant chart June 2 2008 (TSBryan at aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:14:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Jensen Subject: Re: [Geysers] RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 To: Geyser Observation Reports Message-ID: <739521.45087.qm at web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is what I was thinking too. While an individual parcel of water itself may take hundreds of years to circulate and descend to the level where it enters a geyser's plumbing, it, and the system within which it resides, is still under pressure from rainfall that percolates into the ground behind it - and this systemic pressure, if it varies, will also vary the rate at which water enters the geysers. ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France Wilderness Forever! Bruce Jensen --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Robert C. Johnson wrote: > From: Robert C. Johnson > Subject: [Geysers] RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 5:12 PM > Re : Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an Old Geyser > Faithful? > > As I understand from the study, the contention is that > variability of geyser functions is related to pressure on > the water table as determined by yearly precipitation. The > water in the system itself could indeed be 500 years old by > the time it reaches various geysers, while the pressure on > the system as a whole could reflect current seasonal > variations. > > Robert Johnson > > > > > > > From: geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu> > Subject: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2> To: > geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 > 16:23:49 -0700> > Send Geysers mailing list > submissions to> geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > To > subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to> > geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu> > You can reach > the person managing the list at> > geysers-owner at lists.wallawalla.edu> > When replying, > please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> > than "Re: Contents of Geysers digest..."> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Teapot Geyser > (TSBryan at aol.com)> 2. Teapot location > (TSBryan at aol.com)> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:17:05 EDT> > From: TSBryan at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Teapot > Geyser> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: > > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > In a > message dated 5/30/2008 5:42:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > > david.schwarz at gmail.com writes:> > I'm > attaching an image (not in eruption) to be clear about the > feature I'm > talking about, in case I've been > mistaken about its identity.> > > The cone in > David Schwarz's photo is NOT Teapot, but rather is > Split Cone. > It has been active in the past few years, > occasionally reaching as high as 2 > feet or so. In the > image that was posted, Teapot is not visible but, rather, > > would be pretty much down the slope behind Old > Faithful. I'm not sure Teapot > even shows in the > Webcam images, but I'm going to check (meant to > yesterday but > forgot).> > Scott Bryan> > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing > burgers. 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It is still in an impressive steam phase. The finger vents in Ledge were erupting every couple of minutes to a few feet. Arsenic Geyser erupted every 3 to 22 minutes reaching from 1 to 4 feet. Blue Geyser is full and overflowing heavily, but it does not appear to be erupting. One closed interval on Constant Geyser was 38 minutes. There is a fairly large (4 to 6 feet high) perpetual spouter playing in the flats about 70 yards behind Pinwheel Geyser in the middle of Porcelain Basin. BACK BASIN: I spent 90 minutes watching Steamboat. The minor play was 61% concerted. The largest play from the North Vent was about 15 feet high and from the South Vent about 20 feet high. The volume of water in most of the minors was impressive, and the play from the North Vent is more vertical than I have seen it in sometime. The runoff was fairly steady and when Steamboat had periods of strong minor play it is fairly impressive when watched from the footbridge at the base of the hill. Echinus has definitely erupted in the past few days. There is a fair amount of fresh wash along its basin. It was in overflow and gently bubbling in the 25 minutes I watched it today. Pearl Geyser is not erupting, but its basin is full and overflowing. The perpetual spouter across the trail to the south was active, reaching from 1 to 3 feet. Vixen Geyser looked inactive. One closed interval on Corporal Geyser was 22 minutes. Monarch Geyser was 1004ie, duration greater than 14 minutes. The largest boils reached about 3 feet. Forgotten Fumarole is still active, but is much weaker than noted last month. Closed intervals ranged from 9 to 14 minutes, but the eruptions are only reaching 2 to 6 feet. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: #/attachments/20080601/bcaa97e8/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:55:42 -0700 From: David Monteith Subject: Re: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need Advice To: Geyser Observation Reports Message-ID: <200806020855.42241.dmonteit at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Becky. Three ideas. 1) t\Transition of the park from military to civilian management with the establishment of the NPS in 1916. 2) Introduction of cars to the park, the end of the stagecoach and how this changed the visitor experience -- approximately 1915 3) (Re)establishment of the bison heard in the park. Dave On Saturday 31 May 2008 10:27:16 Beckykr at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a lurker here, and I apologize for being a bit off topic. I am taking > a US History Class, and I have to write a short paper (3-4 Pages) on > something that happened between 1900-1950. Since I love Yellowstone, I > want to write about it, but the actual establishment of the park doesn't > fit that time frame. I love thermal features and geysers, but I'm open to > any Yellowstone topic. When was the army post at Mammoth? I was thinking > I could write about that or the way early visitors were transported around > the park and what they did. Any ideas from this period would be very > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Becky Kraegel > Woodstock, GA > > Very anxiously looking forward to my September visit.... > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:11:09 -0700 From: David Monteith Subject: [Geysers] Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris To: Geyser Reports Message-ID: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry for being late on this but I thought it was still worth posting. A couple quick observations from our Memorial Day trip. We spent a couple hours Sunday at Norris. I didn't make it to the back basin but still saw some fun stuff. The big news from Porcelain basin was Blue Geyser. It was active and overflowing. Bursts were variable but included some respectable 10-12 foot nicely domed eruptions. They were spaced 10-20 minutes apart. I haven't seen so much water in Porcelain basin since the mid to early 90s. In the hour and a half I was there I saw 13 geysers (Blue, Constant and Arsenic are the only ones I can name.) I also saw a twenty foot geyser in the general area of Graceful. The nice but steamy eruption lasted 4-5 minutes. Lastly, Guardian was active as a loud forceful steam vent that overpowered the volume of Black Growler. Even though it had melted considerably, he remaining icecone above Guardian was still impressive. Forgotten Fumarole was active. Tara saw a number of eruptions. Eruptions occurred about every few minutes (Tara's in Denver and I can't remember the intervals she got but I think they were in the 5-10 minute range.) The height and strength was quite variable with eruptions of very black muddy water from a few feet to about 12 feet. Dave ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:08:07 -0600 From: "Lucille Reilly" Subject: [Geysers] Summer: a good time to see geysers? To: "'Geyser Observation Reports'" Message-ID: <007901c8c4d3$433fd720$0300a8c0 at Zechariah46> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone connected with the OFI front desks know how gas prices are affecting room availability? Or can anyone working there get that info? We're thinking about stopping by at the end of July, but we're not sure yet. I would surely like to see Giant erupt! Lucille Reilly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now for today... cloud-covered sun and a cold breeze for much of the morning, but then some sun and a temp near 60 in the afternoon. Artemisia steam cloud 0805ie. A bit of a change at Giant, as seen around 0900. Don't know what it means, but Mastiff appears to have stopped depth-charging -- the sinter was bone dry right onto its rim -- and Giant has stopped jetting strongly enough to dump water onto the platform -- the sinter at and onto the base of the cone was bone dry, too. They were stioll doing those things yesterday, but except for remnant puddles (and there was overnight rain), the entire platform was dry today. Bijou was having occasional short (to be no visible changes in anything else associated with these pauses. Mean while, both North and East Purple Pools were overflowing heavily. While I was at the UGB, there was no Riverside and no Oblong. Daisy, including overnight electronic times: 0001, 020x (0204, I think -- sorry), 0408, 0606, 0811, 1012. Grand treated several of us to its longest (known) interval of the season. It had erupted at 2349E, then today not until 1037 (T1C). As we left Grand, I saw Beehive's Indicator 1052ie, and Beehive was 1105. Lion at 0717 was, I think, the initial. I guess we missed the next eruptions but it was seen again at 1004. Depression was 0908ie. Plume intervals of 56, 57, missed, and 57 minutes. Down the valley: Narcissus 0655. I expected Pink between 0700 and 0730, but breakfast was calling and I left without seeing it at 0715. But then Pink at 1333 (duration = 11m 12s). I also anticipated Pink Cone in the vicinity of noon. Pink Cone 1238, for an interval of about 21 hours (it was early ie at 1557 yesterday). Bead 1142, 1212, 1243, 1317, and 1338. Box Spring 1141, 1208, 1305 (none between those last two). Labial's East Satellite had a bunch of real short minors (d < 20s each): 1150, 1156, 1208, 1216, 1222, then no more before 1345. And in 2008, I have yet to see Labial. Jere reports that he saw Steamboat jet to all of 6 or 8 feet high this morning. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: #/attachments/20080602/e2918583/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:48:26 EDT From: TSBryan at aol.com Subject: [Geysers] giant chart June 2 2008 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Giant chart through June 2 2008.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 33542 bytes Desc: not available Url : #/attachments/20080602/917bedda/GiantchartthroughJune22008.jpe ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu End of Geysers Digest, Vol 1140, Issue 2 **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080603/93fa6e03/attachment.html> From popcornbabe99 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 05:37:23 2008 From: popcornbabe99 at yahoo.com (PopcornBabe99) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report Monday June 2, afternoon:PS In-Reply-To: <20080602235044.34FFA58A53@lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: <857588.17007.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> P.S.: I saw Oblong ie 1512, and a Plume ie 1616. Also a Daisy but I forgot to write down what time it was in eruption. Hi all, Sorry this is a day late. I work in the park and also have some health issues that keep me from spending as long in the basin as I would like. I went out yesterday afternoon to the Sawmill complex and spent about 2 and a half hours observing there. This is what I saw: Sawmill began an eruption ~ 1400. (Sorry I was looking at everything in the area and did not see the exact start. ) The spring to the right of the boardwalk was in overflow at that time and soon thereafter dropped and had had some large bubbling. (Twilight Spring, I believe, according to the book.) Sawmill shut down approximately 10-15 minutes after it began, it as a shorter eruption that I had ever seen personally. Thne energy then appeared to shift towards Spasmodic as it had considerably higher jetting from three vents as well as large surges from both pools. Oval Spring's water level was rising a bit. Water in the vents near Penta and across the boardwalk from Penta were rising also. I noticed at this time that Sawmill had gone into a deep drain. ( Boy was I hopeful that this was a Penta-Churn mode (forgive me for my inexperience with this), I've never seen Penta and really hoped to.) Churn was rising as well. The occasional bubble was seen in churn but no eruption, At 1422 Old Tardy began an eruption, which lasted just under five minutes, and the height was about 3-4 feet. The vigorous splashing in Spasmodic continued until around the time of Uncertain, which began it's eruption at 1442 and lasted for about 3 minutes, jetting to approx 5 feet. Uncertain began while the water levels were high near Penta and Penta was splashing enough to be seen every few seconds above the cone several inches. Post-Uncertain the water levels in Pena's vents dropped as did the water in the vents across the boardwalk. Oval spring was lowere at this point as well. Spasmodic dropped in the closer-to-boardwalk pool first and the jetting died off. 1452 Old Tardy began erupting again for another nearly-five minute eruption. I realize now that after Uncertain, Penta had lost its chance to erupt as I never saw the water levels come back. Also, Sawmill filled again, not completely, but it did not drain again. Nor did it erupt while I was there. and I left at about 1605, after one more Old Tardy at 1554 that again lasted about five minutes. All 3 Old Tardys I saw had about the same height of eruption. Churn's water level remained the same asI finally left due to rain storm coming in and fatigue. I hope I'm getting things right. I worry a little since I am still fairly new to Geyser gazing. Can't wait to get the 4th edition of Scott's book! Kate Parry geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu wrote: Send Geysers mailing list submissions to geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu You can reach the person managing the list at geysers-owner at lists.wallawalla.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Geysers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 (Bruce Jensen) 2. Geyser Report-Norris June 1 (Mike Keller) 3. Re: History of Yellowstone-Need Advice (David Monteith) 4. Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris (David Monteith) 5. Summer: a good time to see geysers? (Lucille Reilly) 6. Geyser report Mon June 2 (TSBryan at aol.com) 7. giant chart June 2 2008 (TSBryan at aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:14:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Jensen Subject: Re: [Geysers] RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 To: Geyser Observation Reports Message-ID: <739521.45087.qm at web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is what I was thinking too. While an individual parcel of water itself may take hundreds of years to circulate and descend to the level where it enters a geyser's plumbing, it, and the system within which it resides, is still under pressure from rainfall that percolates into the ground behind it - and this systemic pressure, if it varies, will also vary the rate at which water enters the geysers. ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France Wilderness Forever! Bruce Jensen --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Robert C. Johnson wrote: > From: Robert C. Johnson > Subject: [Geysers] RE: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2 > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 5:12 PM > Re : Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an Old Geyser > Faithful? > > As I understand from the study, the contention is that > variability of geyser functions is related to pressure on > the water table as determined by yearly precipitation. The > water in the system itself could indeed be 500 years old by > the time it reaches various geysers, while the pressure on > the system as a whole could reflect current seasonal > variations. > > Robert Johnson > > > > > > > From: geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu> > Subject: Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2> To: > geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 > 16:23:49 -0700> > Send Geysers mailing list > submissions to> geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > To > subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to> > geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu> > You can reach > the person managing the list at> > geysers-owner at lists.wallawalla.edu> > When replying, > please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> > than "Re: Contents of Geysers digest..."> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Teapot Geyser > (TSBryan at aol.com)> 2. Teapot location > (TSBryan at aol.com)> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:17:05 EDT> > From: TSBryan at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Teapot > Geyser> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: > > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > In a > message dated 5/30/2008 5:42:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > > david.schwarz at gmail.com writes:> > I'm > attaching an image (not in eruption) to be clear about the > feature I'm > talking about, in case I've been > mistaken about its identity.> > > The cone in > David Schwarz's photo is NOT Teapot, but rather is > Split Cone. > It has been active in the past few years, > occasionally reaching as high as 2 > feet or so. In the > image that was posted, Teapot is not visible but, rather, > > would be pretty much down the slope behind Old > Faithful. I'm not sure Teapot > even shows in the > Webcam images, but I'm going to check (meant to > yesterday but > forgot).> > Scott Bryan> > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing > burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" > on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML > attachment was scrubbed...> URL: > #/attachments/20080530/85454cd8/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:30:16 EDT> From: > TSBryan at aol.com> Subject: [Geysers] Teapot location> > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: > > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Skipped > content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next > part --------------> A non-text attachment was > scrubbed...> Name: for Teapot.jpg> Type: > image/jpeg> Size: 93535 bytes> Desc: not > available> Url : > #/attachments/20080530/603d9b51/forTeapot.jpg> > > ------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> Geysers > mailing list> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> > > > > End of Geysers Digest, Vol 1138, Issue 2> > ****************************************_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:19:15 -0600 From: "Mike Keller" Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report-Norris June 1 To: "'Geyser Observation Reports'" Message-ID: <000001c8c467$d2e8d910$a69ae304 at MikeKeller> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PORCELAIN BASIN: The ice cone is almost completely gone from Guardian Geyser. It is still in an impressive steam phase. The finger vents in Ledge were erupting every couple of minutes to a few feet. Arsenic Geyser erupted every 3 to 22 minutes reaching from 1 to 4 feet. Blue Geyser is full and overflowing heavily, but it does not appear to be erupting. One closed interval on Constant Geyser was 38 minutes. There is a fairly large (4 to 6 feet high) perpetual spouter playing in the flats about 70 yards behind Pinwheel Geyser in the middle of Porcelain Basin. BACK BASIN: I spent 90 minutes watching Steamboat. The minor play was 61% concerted. The largest play from the North Vent was about 15 feet high and from the South Vent about 20 feet high. The volume of water in most of the minors was impressive, and the play from the North Vent is more vertical than I have seen it in sometime. The runoff was fairly steady and when Steamboat had periods of strong minor play it is fairly impressive when watched from the footbridge at the base of the hill. Echinus has definitely erupted in the past few days. There is a fair amount of fresh wash along its basin. It was in overflow and gently bubbling in the 25 minutes I watched it today. Pearl Geyser is not erupting, but its basin is full and overflowing. The perpetual spouter across the trail to the south was active, reaching from 1 to 3 feet. Vixen Geyser looked inactive. One closed interval on Corporal Geyser was 22 minutes. Monarch Geyser was 1004ie, duration greater than 14 minutes. The largest boils reached about 3 feet. Forgotten Fumarole is still active, but is much weaker than noted last month. Closed intervals ranged from 9 to 14 minutes, but the eruptions are only reaching 2 to 6 feet. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: #/attachments/20080601/bcaa97e8/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:55:42 -0700 From: David Monteith Subject: Re: [Geysers] History of Yellowstone-Need Advice To: Geyser Observation Reports Message-ID: <200806020855.42241.dmonteit at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Becky. Three ideas. 1) t\Transition of the park from military to civilian management with the establishment of the NPS in 1916. 2) Introduction of cars to the park, the end of the stagecoach and how this changed the visitor experience -- approximately 1915 3) (Re)establishment of the bison heard in the park. Dave On Saturday 31 May 2008 10:27:16 Beckykr at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a lurker here, and I apologize for being a bit off topic. I am taking > a US History Class, and I have to write a short paper (3-4 Pages) on > something that happened between 1900-1950. Since I love Yellowstone, I > want to write about it, but the actual establishment of the park doesn't > fit that time frame. I love thermal features and geysers, but I'm open to > any Yellowstone topic. When was the army post at Mammoth? I was thinking > I could write about that or the way early visitors were transported around > the park and what they did. Any ideas from this period would be very > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Becky Kraegel > Woodstock, GA > > Very anxiously looking forward to my September visit.... > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:11:09 -0700 From: David Monteith Subject: [Geysers] Memorial Day Trip Report - Norris To: Geyser Reports Message-ID: <200806020911.09865.dmonteit at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry for being late on this but I thought it was still worth posting. A couple quick observations from our Memorial Day trip. We spent a couple hours Sunday at Norris. I didn't make it to the back basin but still saw some fun stuff. The big news from Porcelain basin was Blue Geyser. It was active and overflowing. Bursts were variable but included some respectable 10-12 foot nicely domed eruptions. They were spaced 10-20 minutes apart. I haven't seen so much water in Porcelain basin since the mid to early 90s. In the hour and a half I was there I saw 13 geysers (Blue, Constant and Arsenic are the only ones I can name.) I also saw a twenty foot geyser in the general area of Graceful. The nice but steamy eruption lasted 4-5 minutes. Lastly, Guardian was active as a loud forceful steam vent that overpowered the volume of Black Growler. Even though it had melted considerably, he remaining icecone above Guardian was still impressive. Forgotten Fumarole was active. Tara saw a number of eruptions. Eruptions occurred about every few minutes (Tara's in Denver and I can't remember the intervals she got but I think they were in the 5-10 minute range.) The height and strength was quite variable with eruptions of very black muddy water from a few feet to about 12 feet. Dave ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:08:07 -0600 From: "Lucille Reilly" Subject: [Geysers] Summer: a good time to see geysers? To: "'Geyser Observation Reports'" Message-ID: <007901c8c4d3$433fd720$0300a8c0 at Zechariah46> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone connected with the OFI front desks know how gas prices are affecting room availability? Or can anyone working there get that info? We're thinking about stopping by at the end of July, but we're not sure yet. I would surely like to see Giant erupt! Lucille Reilly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now for today... cloud-covered sun and a cold breeze for much of the morning, but then some sun and a temp near 60 in the afternoon. Artemisia steam cloud 0805ie. A bit of a change at Giant, as seen around 0900. Don't know what it means, but Mastiff appears to have stopped depth-charging -- the sinter was bone dry right onto its rim -- and Giant has stopped jetting strongly enough to dump water onto the platform -- the sinter at and onto the base of the cone was bone dry, too. They were stioll doing those things yesterday, but except for remnant puddles (and there was overnight rain), the entire platform was dry today. Bijou was having occasional short (to be no visible changes in anything else associated with these pauses. Mean while, both North and East Purple Pools were overflowing heavily. While I was at the UGB, there was no Riverside and no Oblong. Daisy, including overnight electronic times: 0001, 020x (0204, I think -- sorry), 0408, 0606, 0811, 1012. Grand treated several of us to its longest (known) interval of the season. It had erupted at 2349E, then today not until 1037 (T1C). As we left Grand, I saw Beehive's Indicator 1052ie, and Beehive was 1105. Lion at 0717 was, I think, the initial. I guess we missed the next eruptions but it was seen again at 1004. Depression was 0908ie. Plume intervals of 56, 57, missed, and 57 minutes. Down the valley: Narcissus 0655. I expected Pink between 0700 and 0730, but breakfast was calling and I left without seeing it at 0715. But then Pink at 1333 (duration = 11m 12s). I also anticipated Pink Cone in the vicinity of noon. Pink Cone 1238, for an interval of about 21 hours (it was early ie at 1557 yesterday). Bead 1142, 1212, 1243, 1317, and 1338. Box Spring 1141, 1208, 1305 (none between those last two). Labial's East Satellite had a bunch of real short minors (d < 20s each): 1150, 1156, 1208, 1216, 1222, then no more before 1345. And in 2008, I have yet to see Labial. Jere reports that he saw Steamboat jet to all of 6 or 8 feet high this morning. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: #/attachments/20080602/e2918583/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:48:26 EDT From: TSBryan at aol.com Subject: [Geysers] giant chart June 2 2008 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Years ago, in the course of a guided Biscuit Basin walk ("Silver Globes, Sapphires, and Other Gems"), I had a visitor tell me about Avoca Spring in Ireland. Not far from Dublin, it was said to be the meeting camping and parley place, the one place in Ireland where competing kings (dukes, chiefs, whatever) could meet in peace. > > Scott Bryan > > > Per Lee Whittlesey in Wonderland Nomenclature: The name Avoca was given by Weed sometime 1884-87 for the mustard-like color of the spring's deposits. with this footnote for citation NA, RG 57, Field Notebooks, Walter Weed notebook, Box 56, Vol. II, 1883, #3899-B, p. 49. The name Avoca is written into this notebook in different ink, apparently added later. See also Box 48, 1888, #3864-B, p. c; and Box 52, vol. XVII, 1885, #3893-N, p. 63. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live? Messenger. Add now. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_AddNow_Now From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Tue Jun 3 18:46:28 2008 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report-Norris June 1 In-Reply-To: <4844AD5D.6090101@weststartv.com> Message-ID: <003301c8c5e4$ceef6530$198de404@MikeKeller> The eruption from Monarch I saw on 6-1 was from the southwestern (closest to trail) vent. The back 2 vents did not erupt. I wasn't able to make it to the Gap. Maybe my next trip. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Smokey Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:33 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser Report-Norris June 1 Hi Mike, Is this the same kind of activity we saw from Monarch in '94 and '95?? And... is it active from all three vents like then? Just curious if we are getting a repeat of that activity. Did you make it to "The Gap" area at all? I wonder what is still active out there. Take Care, Smokey Mike Keller wrote: PORCELAIN BASIN: The ice cone is almost completely gone from Guardian Geyser. It is still in an impressive steam phase. The finger vents in Ledge were erupting every couple of minutes to a few feet. Arsenic Geyser erupted every 3 to 22 minutes reaching from 1 to 4 feet. Blue Geyser is full and overflowing heavily, but it does not appear to be erupting. One closed interval on Constant Geyser was 38 minutes. There is a fairly large (4 to 6 feet high) perpetual spouter playing in the flats about 70 yards behind Pinwheel Geyser in the middle of Porcelain Basin. BACK BASIN: I spent 90 minutes watching Steamboat. The minor play was 61% concerted. The largest play from the North Vent was about 15 feet high and from the South Vent about 20 feet high. The volume of water in most of the minors was impressive, and the play from the North Vent is more vertical than I have seen it in sometime. The runoff was fairly steady and when Steamboat had periods of strong minor play it is fairly impressive when watched from the footbridge at the base of the hill. Echinus has definitely erupted in the past few days. There is a fair amount of fresh wash along its basin. It was in overflow and gently bubbling in the 25 minutes I watched it today. Pearl Geyser is not erupting, but its basin is full and overflowing. The perpetual spouter across the trail to the south was active, reaching from 1 to 3 feet. Vixen Geyser looked inactive. One closed interval on Corporal Geyser was 22 minutes. Monarch Geyser was 1004ie, duration greater than 14 minutes. The largest boils reached about 3 feet. Forgotten Fumarole is still active, but is much weaker than noted last month. 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URL: <#/attachments/20080604/36ddcdd6/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Jun 4 14:06:06 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:06:06 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Wed June 4 Message-ID: First a brief bit of the mundane: Pink Cone 0633ie. 0730 and beyond Dome active 0733ns Beehive's Indicator, 0746 Beehive 0734 Plume 0755ns steam Oblong 1010ie enroute on a brief trip from Great Fountain to OF, one of the geysers across the river from Flood, beyond West Flood was erupting to at least 20 feet high. 1012ie Till 1145ns steam cloud Fountain Now the narrative, entitled: I KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, or HOW GREAT FOUNTAIN STARTED WILD PHASE (thanks to Vickie and Alan, and Bill and Carol for some of the following) I will look forward to seeing the electronic download for Great Fountain for the last couple of days. As I noted yesterday, the action by Great Fountain was somewhat puzzling, what with an unquestionable "false overflow" at 0605, followed by an up-and-down pool all day to finally end with an eruption at 1646. I honestly anticipate that to have been an interval of over 25 1/2 hours. Today, Bill and Carol saw Great Fountain at 0612ie. I saw it at 0714ie. They saw it some more and left after a 30-foot burst at 0759. My, that's a long eruption. After breakfast at the store and intending only to go to the Pink Cone area (though Pink Cone had already gone, it was raining hard at Old Faithful and actually tried to turn ot snow as I drove through Midway), at about 0920 I found Great Fountain in overflow. Yes! Full boiling overflow. Heavens! Please note: a full pool less than 1 1/2 hours after eruptioon had been seen. Moments after I parked, it boiled to probably at least 2 meters. Yes. So I walked down the boardwalk. Vigorous boiling continued and at 0934 it started to erupt. At first it was massive surging to 20 feet or so. Then what I will call a true superburst -- at least 180 feet and beyond the road. What in the world...? Ah, yes, unquestionably the start of wild phase. Thus it started. That first burst lasted about 11 minutes. It was followed by the following (including the above): start-end (estimated height) 0925 (2+ meter boil) 0934-0945 (180 superburst) 0949-0953 (50) 0959-1006 (50) 1007- I departed, knowing now that this had to be wild phase -- back at OF, I called the VC, then returned to Great Fountain ---- 1041-1048 (30) 1056-1102 (50) 1111-1118 (>100 easily) 1125-1132 (80) 1139-1145 (blue bubble[!] but only 40 feet) 1153-1159 (60) 1207-1213 (>100 and sharply angled with some spray onto the road) 1221-1227 (70) 1235-1242 (40) 1250-1256 (50) departure Those heights are estimates, but I've seen many a normal eruption that failed to match many of these bursts. Relationships: Though I wasn't watching real closely, the activity by Botryoidal, A-0, and Logbridge seemed perfectly normal. However, in the other direction there were eruptions by White Dome at 1039 and 1210 and no more as I departed a bit after 1300 -- I know I did not miss an eruption during any of that time. And to think that I almost didn't go in today because of the rain. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080604/635bed91/attachment.html> From OTTS at byui.edu Wed Jun 4 10:25:12 2008 From: OTTS at byui.edu (OTTS at byui.edu) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:25:12 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My father saw Beehive last year while visiting me in Idaho and he was very impressed. I would like to take a picture of it to send to him. Is it possible for those of you who give geyser reports to tell me on Friday when the best time to see it is on Saturday. I am willing to wait and watch for many hours because I know that it has a lot of variation in its interval (isn't it about 20 hours, plus or minus 3 hours?), but I would like to know if it would erupt in the morning, afternoon, or evening. Is that possible and could somebody help me? Thanks. S. Ott BYU-Idaho From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:47 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Tues 6/3 Not a particularly pleasant day, with some sun but a lot of wind and only into the low 50s by afternoon. Yesterday Grotto apparently had some sort of long-ish eruption. None of us have any times, but this morning Marathon Pool was way down, Spa had only recently ended activity, Grotto and its runoff channels were bone dry, and Bijou was nearly, but not quite, dead. The recovery, if it can be called that, evidently took place during the morning Oblong, as it was just after that when Bijou took off with full force. We remain, however, with a rather dry platform and no discharge from Mastiff or Giant. That Oblong was 0915. Daisy 0658, 0859, and 1100ie. Fan and Mortar are quite content with having piles of dark gravel on the platform. Grand 0816 (G1C). Sawmill thoroughly in force. Castle 2109E major and today 1016 major. Lion 0543ie, 0704 ending, and apparently nothing more. Aurum 0648 and 1049. Beehive's Indicator 0954, Beehive 1008. The only Plume interval I got today was of 79 minutes (0924 to 1043). Great Fountain has us a bit puzzled, though this aftfernoon's action might answer a question or two. Yesterday it erupted at 1506. This morning, it had a false overflow at 0605 and clearly had not erupted unless long before then -- there was enough overflow to cause to pools to the north of the crater to steam, but no overflow before the pool dropped more than a foot; there wasn't the tiniest trickle of water in the runoff next to the road. I expected a morning eruption, but at about 1130 the platform was calm, the pool down a good foot, and the runoff channels dry. And as of 1300, it was all about the same -- the water came up a ways, dropped, and then had come up a bit again when I departed. Well, could be wrong, but I think Great Fountain was working on a 24+ hour interval. But the good stuff. I drove up and waited maybe 10 seconds for Labial at 0624. I drove up and waited maybe 2 minutes for Labial at 1143. Interval only 5h 19m. But I didn't see Pink today, and Pink Cone should have/and did erupt between those Labials. Back home by 2:30 to find that the gutters removed by the snow slide from the roof had been replaced. Yay. Scott Bryan ________________________________ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080604/27758e51/attachment.html> From riozafiro at comcast.net Wed Jun 4 17:31:44 2008 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:31:44 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Avoca Spring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Lynn! I must get a copy of Wonderland Nomenclature one of these days. Pat Snyder On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > > > > ________________________________ >> From: TSBryan at aol.com >> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:40:28 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Geysers] Avoca Spring >> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> >> In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:51:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, riozafiro at comcast.net >> writes: >> Avoca means "It leads" in Spanish (from the verb avocar, to lead), >> and >> whether or not that is the reason for the spring's name, it certainly >> has taken the lead over from the Silver Globes, and although there is >> water in that system, I didn't see anything erupt in about 30 minutes >> of observation. >> I'll have to go up to take a look at Avoca, because this activity >> is totally different from what I saw in April-early May when Silver >> Globe was high and Avoca was a quiet steam vent. >> >> As for the name -- who knows? Years ago, in the course of a guided >> Biscuit Basin walk ("Silver Globes, Sapphires, and Other Gems"), I >> had a visitor tell me about Avoca Spring in Ireland. Not far from >> Dublin, it was said to be the meeting camping and parley place, the >> one place in Ireland where competing kings (dukes, chiefs, >> whatever) could meet in peace. >> >> Scott Bryan >> >> >> > > Per Lee Whittlesey in Wonderland Nomenclature: > > The name Avoca was given by Weed sometime 1884-87 for the mustard- > like color of the spring's deposits. > > with this footnote for citation > NA, RG 57, Field Notebooks, Walter Weed notebook, Box 56, Vol. II, > 1883, #3899-B, p. 49. The name Avoca is written into this notebook > in different ink, apparently added later. See also Box 48, 1888, > #3864-B, p. c; and Box 52, vol. XVII, 1885, #3893-N, p. 63. > > > Lynn Stephens > > _________________________________________________________________ > Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join > you on Windows Live? Messenger. Add now. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_AddNow_Now_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From tsbryan_380 at msn.com Wed Jun 4 17:44:26 2008 From: tsbryan_380 at msn.com (SCOTT BRYAN) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:44:26 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive References: Message-ID: Right now Beehive seems to be holding to intervals of around 21-23 hours, and if this holds, by this weekend it will be erupting in the night. Sorry, but things could change. Scott Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: OTTS at byui.edu To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [Geysers] Beehive My father saw Beehive last year while visiting me in Idaho and he was very impressed. I would like to take a picture of it to send to him. Is it possible for those of you who give geyser reports to tell me on Friday when the best time to see it is on Saturday. I am willing to wait and watch for many hours because I know that it has a lot of variation in its interval (isn't it about 20 hours, plus or minus 3 hours?), but I would like to know if it would erupt in the morning, afternoon, or evening. Is that possible and could somebody help me? Thanks. S. Ott BYU-Idaho From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:47 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Tues 6/3 Not a particularly pleasant day, with some sun but a lot of wind and only into the low 50s by afternoon. Yesterday Grotto apparently had some sort of long-ish eruption. None of us have any times, but this morning Marathon Pool was way down, Spa had only recently ended activity, Grotto and its runoff channels were bone dry, and Bijou was nearly, but not quite, dead. The recovery, if it can be called that, evidently took place during the morning Oblong, as it was just after that when Bijou took off with full force. We remain, however, with a rather dry platform and no discharge from Mastiff or Giant. That Oblong was 0915. Daisy 0658, 0859, and 1100ie. Fan and Mortar are quite content with having piles of dark gravel on the platform. Grand 0816 (G1C). Sawmill thoroughly in force. Castle 2109E major and today 1016 major. Lion 0543ie, 0704 ending, and apparently nothing more. Aurum 0648 and 1049. Beehive's Indicator 0954, Beehive 1008. The only Plume interval I got today was of 79 minutes (0924 to 1043). Great Fountain has us a bit puzzled, though this aftfernoon's action might answer a question or two. Yesterday it erupted at 1506. This morning, it had a false overflow at 0605 and clearly had not erupted unless long before then -- there was enough overflow to cause to pools to the north of the crater to steam, but no overflow before the pool dropped more than a foot; there wasn't the tiniest trickle of water in the runoff next to the road. I expected a morning eruption, but at about 1130 the platform was calm, the pool down a good foot, and the runoff channels dry. And as of 1300, it was all about the same -- the water came up a ways, dropped, and then had come up a bit again when I departed. Well, could be wrong, but I think Great Fountain was working on a 24+ hour interval. But the good stuff. I drove up and waited maybe 10 seconds for Labial at 0624. I drove up and waited maybe 2 minutes for Labial at 1143. Interval only 5h 19m. But I didn't see Pink today, and Pink Cone should have/and did erupt between those Labials. Back home by 2:30 to find that the gutters removed by the snow slide from the roof had been replaced. Yay. Scott Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080604/8db44aa0/attachment.html> From udo.freund at lmco.com Thu Jun 5 08:48:13 2008 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:48:13 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Park Service has several nice shots of Beehive on their website, which has over 12,000 pictures in the public domain. Unfortunately the site doesn't have a search engine, so finding what you want can be daunting. http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/slidefile/index.htm Upper Geyser Basin photos are on several pages beginning with http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/slidefile/thermalfeatures/geysers/upper/ Page.htm Beehive's photos are on page 2: http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/slidefile/thermalfeatures/geysers/upper/ Page-2.htm None are recent but its' appearance hasn't changed since these were taken. I especially like the winter photos taken in 1961 and 1952 by George Marler before boardwalks were built. http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/slidefile/thermalfeatures/geysers/upper/ Images/05031.jpg http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/slidefile/thermalfeatures/geysers/upper/ Images/05031.jpg Thanks, Udo Freund ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of OTTS at byui.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:25 AM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Beehive My father saw Beehive last year while visiting me in Idaho and he was very impressed. I would like to take a picture of it to send to him. Is it possible for those of you who give geyser reports to tell me on Friday when the best time to see it is on Saturday. I am willing to wait and watch for many hours because I know that it has a lot of variation in its interval (isn't it about 20 hours, plus or minus 3 hours?), but I would like to know if it would erupt in the morning, afternoon, or evening. Is that possible and could somebody help me? Thanks. S. Ott BYU-Idaho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080605/48e7f815/attachment.html> From ralpht at fuse.net Thu Jun 5 11:34:30 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:34:30 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Dating geyser water Message-ID: Lucille Reilly asked about the dating of geyser water in response to a post noting the publication of a paper by Shaul Hurwitz on the relationship of geyser periodicity and river levels. I decided to ask Shaul for his input, and he kindly responded with the following explanation. The discussion is technical but may answer some of the questions (and probably raise more questions). Ralph Taylor Shaul's response: ----------------- Ralph, Here is something for the geyser mailing list: Dating water is tricky, particularly in geysers where waters are boiling. One method scientists use to date water involves measuring the concentration of tritium (3H), which is a short-lived radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half-life of 12.32 years. Some tritium forms naturally as cosmic radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere, but during the 1950s and early 1960s, testing of nuclear weapons raised atmospheric concentrations hundreds of times above the normal background concentration. Tritium concentrations in the atmosphere have decreased following the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in the early 1960s and have since approached natural levels. By measuring tritium concentrations in spring (or geyser) waters, what is actually being dated is the last interaction between a water molecule and the atmosphere. However, when precipitation (with a known tritium concentration) enters the subsurface (groundwater) system, mixing of the water molecules occurs, so that at any given location along the flow path from recharge to a geyser, a finite volume of water would represent some integration of water molecules from many years. It is not realistic to assume that the entire volume erupting from a geyser percolated into the subsurface at the same time. More likely, the erupted volume is a mixture of water molecules that fell as precipitation over a rather long time period. To illustrate this point of mixing my USGS colleague (emeritus) Bob Fournier reported in a 1969 paper in the journal Science that more than 24 consecutive eruptions were required to clear Old Faithful of a tracer (rhodamine B) in a 1963 experiment. Nevertheless, some inferences can be made by using tritium. For example, this year's precipitation in Yellowstone has a concentration of 10 Tritium Units. (One tritium unit equals 1 tritium atom in 1018 hydrogen atoms). If for example the tritium concentration of a geyser is 5 TU, we calculate that the water could represent a 50:50 mixture of this year's precipitation and pre-bomb (more than 50-year-old) precipitation (0 TU). However, this is not a unique solution, both because of subsurface mixing and the time-variance of the tritium input. (The most straightforward interpretation of tritium occurs when its concentration is 0 TU, and we can confidently infer that none of the water has interacted with the atmosphere for 50 years.) In the past year, our group at the USGS, in collaboration with the National Park Service, has sampled the waters of five geysers (Old Faithful, Daisy, Grand, Oblong, and Aurum) six times. We are still in the process of analyzing the data, but so far we have found some detectable tritium in all five geysers (though always less than 1 TU). This implies that some recent water molecules are part of the total volume erupted. Other methods used by scientists for dating "young" water include measuring the concentrations of chloro-fluorocarbons (CFCs) and noble-gas (mainly argon) isotopes dissolved in water. As with tritium, the data require considerable interpretation. "Older" waters are often dated using radiocarbon methods, but this is problematic in volcanic areas such as Yellowstone because of the input of magmatic carbon. The short answer to Lucille Reilly's question following what she heard during a geyser walk "OF's water supply is about 500 years old" - I don't know how that info came about.... I hope the discussion group finds this helpful and not confusing! P.S. There was some more press coverage of the geyser paper; here are two of them: LiveScience.com - http://www.livescience.com/environment/080603-old-faithful.html Casper Star Tribune - http://www.trib.com/articles/2008/06/04/news/wyoming/doc48469fcdaa2b65920643 77.txt Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------- Shaul Hurwitz U.S. Geological Survey MS #439 345 Middlefield Rd. Menlo Park, CA 94025 Tel: (650) 329-4441 shaulh at usgs.gov http://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/hydrotherm/ ----------------------------------------------------- From reynoldshaertle at hotmail.com Thu Jun 5 12:53:23 2008 From: reynoldshaertle at hotmail.com (Robin Reynolds) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Summer: a good time to see geysers? In-Reply-To: <007901c8c4d3$433fd720$0300a8c0@Zechariah46> References: <007901c8c4d3$433fd720$0300a8c0@Zechariah46> Message-ID: I don't work at the park , but I just today booked 5 nights at the Old Faithful Inn in early July on the web site (travelyellowstone.com). I've been checking a few times a day. Rooms open up here and there at the park, but not as often at Old Faithful. -Robin From: thedulcimerlady at juno.comTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduDate: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:08:07 -0600Subject: [Geysers] Summer: a good time to see geysers? Does anyone connected with the OFI front desks know how gas prices are affecting room availability? Or can anyone working there get that info? We?re thinking about stopping by at the end of July, but we?re not sure yet. I would surely like to see Giant erupt! Lucille Reilly _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080605/f27b30db/attachment.html> From conantb at swbell.net Thu Jun 5 17:50:59 2008 From: conantb at swbell.net (Eric Hatfield) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Dating geyser water Message-ID: <969786.60897.qm@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've thought about this problem before.? The post below is well written, but it never specifically includes the radioactive decay into the calcification.? 1 TU now presumes 16 TU input if the water is about 50 years old.? There is a lot of accounting to be done. But the real problem is with low concentrations of tritium, which is the case.? This could be from young (~50 years) water, or mixing of very old water with some proportion of brand new water near the surface.? Both would give the same result. The 500 year old figure has often puzzled me, because that's 41 half lives of tritium, after which there's no way you could detect tritium in any predicitive way.? That figure must have been derived from some other method.? Anyone know? ----------------- Ralph, Here is something for the geyser mailing list: Dating water is tricky, particularly in geysers where waters are boiling. One method scientists use to date water involves measuring the concentration of tritium (3H), which is a short-lived radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half-life of 12.32 years.? Some tritium forms naturally as cosmic radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere, but during the 1950s and early 1960s, testing of nuclear weapons raised atmospheric concentrations hundreds of times above the normal background concentration.? Tritium concentrations in the atmosphere have decreased following the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in the early 1960s and have since approached natural levels. By measuring tritium concentrations in spring (or geyser) waters, what is actually being dated is the last interaction between a water molecule and the atmosphere.? However, when precipitation (with a known tritium concentration) enters the subsurface (groundwater) system, mixing of the water molecules occurs, so that at any given location along the flow path from recharge to a geyser, a finite volume of water would represent? some integration of water molecules from many years.? It is not realistic to assume that the entire volume erupting from a geyser percolated into the subsurface at the same time.? More likely, the erupted volume is a mixture of water molecules that fell as precipitation over a rather long time period.? To illustrate this point of mixing my USGS colleague (emeritus) Bob Fournier reported in a 1969 paper in the journal Science that more than 24 consecutive eruptions were required to clear Old Faithful of a tracer (rhodamine B) in a 1963 experiment. Nevertheless, some inferences can be made by using tritium.? For example, this year's precipitation in Yellowstone has a concentration of 10 Tritium Units.? (One tritium unit equals 1 tritium atom in 1018 hydrogen atoms). If for example the tritium concentration of a geyser is 5 TU, we calculate that the water could represent a 50:50 mixture of this year's precipitation and pre-bomb (more than 50-year-old) precipitation (0 TU). However, this is not a unique solution, both because of subsurface mixing and the time-variance of the tritium input.? (The most straightforward interpretation of tritium occurs when its concentration is 0 TU, and we can confidently infer that none of the water has interacted with the atmosphere for 50 years.) In the past year, our group at the USGS, in collaboration with the National Park Service, has sampled the waters of five geysers (Old Faithful, Daisy, Grand, Oblong, and Aurum) six times.? We are still in the process of analyzing the data, but so far we have found some detectable tritium in all five geysers (though always less than 1 TU).? This implies that some recent water molecules are part of the total volume erupted. Other methods used by scientists for dating "young" water include measuring the concentrations of chloro-fluorocarbons (CFCs) and noble-gas (mainly argon) isotopes dissolved in water.? As with tritium, the data require considerable interpretation.? "Older" waters are often dated using radiocarbon methods, but this is problematic in volcanic areas such as Yellowstone because of the input of magmatic carbon. The short answer to Lucille Reilly's question following what she heard during a geyser walk "OF's water supply is about 500 years old" - I don't know how that info came about.... I hope the discussion group finds this helpful and not confusing! P.S.? There was some more press coverage of the geyser paper; here are two of them: LiveScience.com - http://www.livescience.com/environment/080603-old-faithful.html Casper Star Tribune - http://www.trib.com/articles/2008/06/04/news/wyoming/doc48469fcdaa2b65920643 77.txt Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------- Shaul Hurwitz U.S. Geological Survey MS #439 345 Middlefield Rd. Menlo Park, CA 94025 Tel: (650) 329-4441 shaulh at usgs.gov http://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/hydrotherm/ ----------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To some extent I think this is sort of a "Duh" sort of thing... but like I say, I haven't seen the article. Scott Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucille Reilly To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: RE: [Geysers] Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an OldGeyserFaithful? I find this very interesting because I remember the ranger saying on ageyser walk in 2000 that OF's water supply is about 500 years old. Not so?Now I wonder how that info came about.Lucille Reilly-----Original Message-----From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu[mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf OfLee_Whittlesey at nps.govSent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:22 AMTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduSubject: [Geysers] Fw: (USGS/NPS News Release) What Makes an OldGeyserFaithful?----- Forwarded by Lee Whittlesey/YELL/NPS on 05/30/2008 10:21 AM ----- YELL Public Affairs To: Sent by: Al Nash cc: (bcc: LeeWhittlesey/YELL/NPS) Subject: (USGS/NPS NewsRelease) What Makes an Old Geyser Faithful? 05/30/2008 09:26 AM MDT For Immediate Release - May 30, 2008WHAT MAKES AN OLD GEYSER FAITHFUL?New research suggests that how often Old Faithful and other Yellowstonegeysers erupt may depend on annual rainfall patterns.____________________________________________________________Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit okhttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKmytKEUyc6X6NUcNzT1UNcxCo1eXFuQY025wmpUU63J3l4/_______________________________________________Geysers mailing listGeysers at lists.wallawalla.edu _________________________________________________________________ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live? Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080606/ebe55cc6/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Jun 5 18:26:04 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:26:04 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Short geyser report Thurs June 5 Message-ID: Getting at this late, so the essences: Great Fountain continued in wild phase all day. Grotto was 0620ie and still was ie at 1230. Mastiff is back to depth charging with Giant spilling water out of the cone. Daisy 0739, 0938, and 1127. Oblong 1111ie. Grand 0245E and finally at 1209 (V5/T2Q). Tilt's Baby was found 1229ie, the first known eruption this spring. Castle 0225E. Lion 0621ie and 0724 minor. Aurum 0829. Beehive in the night. Plume 0631 and 0729. Fountain 0950ns. The Pocket Basin mud pots are quite nice -- the big ones up to very wet but many of the smaller pots including all of Microcosm Basin nicely thick... Pocet Basin Geyser is acting as a bubbling intermittent spring but appears to have not erupted in quite some time. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080605/424983f7/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Fri Jun 6 09:41:18 2008 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (Janet Chapple) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:41:18 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Hike down Spring Creek Message-ID: <940197122eff4f1077510edc73168389@earthlink.net> Last summer I spoke to Barbara Lasseter about hiking down Spring Creek. I've done it once before, but I have a nagging thought that I missed the best route past Turtle Rock. So I'd like to try it again. Ideally, I'd find enough other hikers so we could leave one car at the top (8.2 miles from OF village) and another at the Lone Star trailhead parking area. Also ideally, we'd go on to Lone Star and catch an eruption before turning back. Barbara, are you out there and would still like to to? Anybody else? Unfortunately, I have only 3 days the end of this month when I could do this hike: June 23, 24, or 27. BTW, I'll be sitting in Old Faithful Inn signing books from 11:00 to 7:00 on June 28th. Janet Chapple From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Jun 6 13:21:09 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:21:09 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 Message-ID: Well, not much of a report here. A really ugly day. Proof in the attached photo, taken just west of 7 Mile Bridge at 1230. No changes down basin. Riverside 0953. Daisy 0747 and 0959. Oblong missed while Jim was down by Riverside, presumably sometime around 0800. Grand 0238E and 0933. Castle 0455E. Lion 0752 and 0915. Beehive in the night. Plume 0627, 0714, missed, 0859, and 0948. Old Faithful active. Avoca Spring continues to erupt with interval less than 2 minutes long, durations of 15-20 seconds. Some jets reach perhaps 15 feet high but most are more like 6 to 8 feet. The northernmost of the "Steel Bridge Springs" (those springs across the river just upstream from Steel Bridge) was active at 0652, splashing 2 to 3 feet high. Then, at 1010, the spring on the next sinter mound to the south was splashing to about 1 foot. Great Fountain was still in wild phase early. I saw bursts at 0616 and 0631. One jet reached 30 to 40 (50? in a lot of steam) feet high. However, the durations were shorter than yesterday, being about 4 1/2 and 5 minutes. And sure enough, by 1026 (and 1034, 1041, 1042, 1051, 1055, and 1106) the action was erratic, generally lasted less than one minute, and consisted entirely of boiling confined to within the crater -- no bursting whatsoever. And so, (apparently) thus endeth the wild phase after something in the neighborhood of 48 hours. Now what? Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The discussion is technical but may answer some of the questions (and probably raise more questions). Ralph Taylor Shaul's response: ----------------- Ralph, Here is something for the geyser mailing list: Dating water is tricky, particularly in geysers where waters are boiling. One method scientists use to date water involves measuring the concentration of tritium (3H), which is a short-lived radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half-life of 12.32 years. Some tritium forms naturally as cosmic radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere, but during the 1950s and early 1960s, testing of nuclear weapons raised atmospheric concentrations hundreds of times above the normal background concentration. Tritium concentrations in the atmosphere have decreased following the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in the early 1960s and have since approached natural levels. By measuring tritium concentrations in spring (or geyser) waters, what is actually being dated is the last interaction between a water molecule and the atmosphere. However, when precipitation (with a known tritium concentration) enters the subsurface (groundwater) system, mixing of the water molecules occurs, so that at any given location along the flow path from recharge to a geyser, a finite volume of water would represent some integration of water molecules from many years. It is not realistic to assume that the entire volume erupting from a geyser percolated into the subsurface at the same time. More likely, the erupted volume is a mixture of water molecules that fell as precipitation over a rather long time period. To illustrate this point of mixing my USGS colleague (emeritus) Bob Fournier reported in a 1969 paper in the journal Science that more than 24 consecutive eruptions were required to clear Old Faithful of a tracer (rhodamine B) in a 1963 experiment. Nevertheless, some inferences can be made by using tritium. For example, this year's precipitation in Yellowstone has a concentration of 10 Tritium Units. (One tritium unit equals 1 tritium atom in 1018 hydrogen atoms). If for example the tritium concentration of a geyser is 5 TU, we calculate that the water could represent a 50:50 mixture of this year's precipitation and pre-bomb (more than 50-year-old) precipitation (0 TU). However, this is not a unique solution, both because of subsurface mixing and the time-variance of the tritium input. (The most straightforward interpretation of tritium occurs when its concentration is 0 TU, and we can confidently infer that none of the water has interacted with the atmosphere for 50 years.) In the past year, our group at the USGS, in collaboration with the National Park Service, has sampled the waters of five geysers (Old Faithful, Daisy, Grand, Oblong, and Aurum) six times. We are still in the process of analyzing the data, but so far we have found some detectable tritium in all five geysers (though always less than 1 TU). This implies that some recent water molecules are part of the total volume erupted. Other methods used by scientists for dating "young" water include measuring the concentrations of chloro-fluorocarbons (CFCs) and noble-gas (mainly argon) isotopes dissolved in water. As with tritium, the data require considerable interpretation. "Older" waters are often dated using radiocarbon methods, but this is problematic in volcanic areas such as Yellowstone because of the input of magmatic carbon. The short answer to Lucille Reilly's question following what she heard during a geyser walk "OF's water supply is about 500 years old" - I don't know how that info came about.... I hope the discussion group finds this helpful and not confusing! P.S. There was some more press coverage of the geyser paper; here are two of them: LiveScience.com - http://www.livescience.com/environment/080603-old-faithful.html Casper Star Tribune - http://www.trib.com/articles/2008/06/04/news/wyoming/doc48469fcdaa2b65920643 77.txt Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------- Shaul Hurwitz U.S. Geological Survey MS #439 345 Middlefield Rd. Menlo Park, CA 94025 Tel: (650) 329-4441 shaulh at usgs.gov http://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/hydrotherm/ ----------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu ____________________________________________________________ Beauty Advice Just Got a Makeover Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Uzu5FcgVoypo4zlmgFRIM4F3RAiIep7DyaAwWX8AXUQle6/ From OTTS at byui.edu Fri Jun 6 07:56:44 2008 From: OTTS at byui.edu (OTTS at byui.edu) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:56:44 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is very helpful. Thank you. Steve P.S. You're book is my geyser bible. From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of SCOTT BRYAN Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:44 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Beehive Right now Beehive seems to be holding to intervals of around 21-23 hours, and if this holds, by this weekend it will be erupting in the night. Sorry, but things could change. Scott Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: OTTS at byui.edu To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [Geysers] Beehive My father saw Beehive last year while visiting me in Idaho and he was very impressed. I would like to take a picture of it to send to him. Is it possible for those of you who give geyser reports to tell me on Friday when the best time to see it is on Saturday. I am willing to wait and watch for many hours because I know that it has a lot of variation in its interval (isn't it about 20 hours, plus or minus 3 hours?), but I would like to know if it would erupt in the morning, afternoon, or evening. Is that possible and could somebody help me? Thanks. S. Ott BYU-Idaho From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:47 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Tues 6/3 Not a particularly pleasant day, with some sun but a lot of wind and only into the low 50s by afternoon. Yesterday Grotto apparently had some sort of long-ish eruption. None of us have any times, but this morning Marathon Pool was way down, Spa had only recently ended activity, Grotto and its runoff channels were bone dry, and Bijou was nearly, but not quite, dead. The recovery, if it can be called that, evidently took place during the morning Oblong, as it was just after that when Bijou took off with full force. We remain, however, with a rather dry platform and no discharge from Mastiff or Giant. That Oblong was 0915. Daisy 0658, 0859, and 1100ie. Fan and Mortar are quite content with having piles of dark gravel on the platform. Grand 0816 (G1C). Sawmill thoroughly in force. Castle 2109E major and today 1016 major. Lion 0543ie, 0704 ending, and apparently nothing more. Aurum 0648 and 1049. Beehive's Indicator 0954, Beehive 1008. The only Plume interval I got today was of 79 minutes (0924 to 1043). Great Fountain has us a bit puzzled, though this aftfernoon's action might answer a question or two. Yesterday it erupted at 1506. This morning, it had a false overflow at 0605 and clearly had not erupted unless long before then -- there was enough overflow to cause to pools to the north of the crater to steam, but no overflow before the pool dropped more than a foot; there wasn't the tiniest trickle of water in the runoff next to the road. I expected a morning eruption, but at about 1130 the platform was calm, the pool down a good foot, and the runoff channels dry. And as of 1300, it was all about the same -- the water came up a ways, dropped, and then had come up a bit again when I departed. Well, could be wrong, but I think Great Fountain was working on a 24+ hour interval. But the good stuff. I drove up and waited maybe 10 seconds for Labial at 0624. I drove up and waited maybe 2 minutes for Labial at 1143. Interval only 5h 19m. But I didn't see Pink today, and Pink Cone should have/and did erupt between those Labials. Back home by 2:30 to find that the gutters removed by the snow slide from the roof had been replaced. Yay. Scott Bryan ________________________________ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food . _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080606/40c502b7/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Sat Jun 7 10:31:18 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:31:18 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Streaming Webcam Volunteer Opportunity Message-ID: <200806071031.19017.dmonteit@comcast.net> The National Park Service is looking for experienced geyser gazers to point the Old Faithful streaming web camera. This is a volunteer in the park (VIP) job. It requires people with knowledge of the geyser basin. The primary goal is to catch all eruptions of Old Faithful. Secondarily, the operator is expected to try to catch other eruptions within view of the camera. This means the operator needs to have a good feeling for what is likely to erupt during their shift. Lastly, the operator should try to capture other items of interest to the general public, for example large animals in the basin. This is a job. To be meaningful, the NPS is looking for volunteers that can devote at least one four hour block per week. Carolyn Aaronson will be coordinating the schedule. Carolyn is currently the primary webcam operator. She is particularly looking for help in the evenings but any help would be appreciated. Requirements are: 1) Your time and commitment to the job , at least 4 hours per week 2) A good knowledge of the Upper Geyser Basin within view of the webcam 3) A broadband Internet connection to view and control the webcam 4) A computer capable of running Microsoft Windows applications Please contact me if you are interested and I will send you NPS contact information. As this is a VIP job, the NPS has a formal process for all prospective volunteers. Dave Monteith dmonteit at comcast.net david.h.monteith at boeing.com PS Comcast sometimes blocks unknown email. Please feel free in this instance to also reply to my work email address. From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 6 20:25:45 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:25:45 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: saw bursts at 0616 and 0631. One jet reached 30 to 40 (50? in a lot of steam) feet high. However, the durations were shorter than yesterday, being about 4 1/2 and 5 minutes. And sure enough, by 1026 (and 1034, 1041, 1042, 1051, 1055, and 1106) the action was erratic, generally lasted less than one minute, and consisted entirely of boiling confined to within the crater -- no bursting whatsoever. And so, (apparently) thus endeth the wild phase after something in the neighborhood of 48 hours. > > Now what? > > Scott Bryan > > Scott's "Now what?" may have been rhetorical, but for those who have never seen a "recovery" from wild phase, Great Fountain may go into a period of up to several days where it does one false overflow after another after another after another, etc. These false overflows may, or may not, continue for several days. Finally, with no sign that I've ever figured out (although I've only seen two recoveries from "wild phease" Bot Hoffman told me he'd never been able to figure out a preliminary indicator either), one of the overflows becomes a true overflow and Great Fountain goes back to normal activity. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live? Messenger. Add now. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_AddNow_Now From ralpht at fuse.net Fri Jun 6 21:09:36 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:09:36 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another late chiming in, sorry. The interval was 9h50m, not uncommon in the aftermath of Beehive. See the GOSA website for the intervals thru 24 May. Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:52 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 In a message dated 5/11/2008 5:32:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, lcandnellie at united.net writes: I was surprised to see Beehive 2040 ns. I believe that is just under 10 hour interval. I thought Scott Bryan would be interested in case he didn't see it. You all know I've been saying that these 20+ intervals were possible/probably doubles. Yay. Thanks for the info. Scott _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Graham Meech Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:26 AM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Giantess Looking at the seismograph, it may have started at 2010 MST which would fit with the report of sometime after 9pm MDT. http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/Uuss.YFT_SHZ_WY.2008050 800.gif Graham. _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Warnock Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:50 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giantess It is indeed Giantess. Scott called me this morning after talking with Butch Bach at the OFVC. They had a visitor report that Giantess had started erupting sometime after 9 pm yesterday. Am sure Scott will report more after our visit to the basin today, and our first dinner at the OF Inn which opens today. It is snowing as I write...will spring ever arrive? ----- Original Message ----- From: william.beverly at att.net To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: [Geysers] Giantess Thanks to the VC for zooming in this morning 0700ie 14 days and counting _____ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080606/f95a9536/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 6 21:41:32 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:41:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain Recovery from Wild Phase 1994 Message-ID: THIS MESSAGE MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED IN THE SPUT, OR FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE EXCEPT THE PERSONAL USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV. Because, most "Wild Phase" activity of Great Fountain geyser has generally occurred in the late fall, events leading up to and coming ouf of Great Fountain "Wild Phase" have seldom been documented (one major exception is the Deutch, Johns & Johns article published in the August 1994 issue of The Sput). The 1994 activity was preceded by a 6 hour interval leading into the eruption that turned into a wild phase eruption. Based on Scott Bryan's reports and Ralph Taylor's temperature data, the 2008 wild phase activity was also preceded by a short interval. Coming out of the wild phase activity, I earlier posted very briefly that multiple periods of false overflow could be expected. Ann Deutch, Janet Johns & Lew Johns published an article in the August 1994 issue of The Sput detailing information about recovery from the June 1994 (one of the exceptions to late fall occurrences of wild phase activity.) Some of the information they provided-- Great Fountain started wild phase activity on June 13. "By the morning on 16 June, water bursting had ceased although bursts of steam were still being observed." Overflow did not start until sometime overnight June 17-18. "On 18 June the overflow seemed to occur in series of episodes divided by periods when water was out of sight in the vent. The water sizzled as it rose over the beach. Perimeter boils were common and boils in the middle of the pool were not uncommon." Note that someone driving by could easily be fooled into thinking that Great Fountain would probably erupt in the next half hour or so. "The first eruption occurred at 09:41 on 20 June....The interval between eruptions was just over seven days." Note that the periods of false overflow lasted over two days. "For several days eruptions occurred which were preceded by overflows punctuated with cessations of overflow....Continuous overflow, without cessation, preceded an eruption for the first time on 25 June. Unfortunately, the overflow lasted 146 minutes." In 1994 "false overflows" were less common than they have been in the 2000s. Note that the first overflow not preceded by multiple false overflows lasted almost 2-1/2 hours. Reporting "average" overflow in The Sput was infrequent prior to 1995. In 1995 the average was 81 minutes. "During the first few weeks after the wild phase, overflow times prior to the eruptions have been steadily decreasing from the high of 146 minutes to 116 minutes." Note that exceedingly long overflows continued for "the first few WEEKS after the wild phase." I'm not saying that what happened in 1994 will happen again in 2008, but it will be interesting to compare the 2008 recovery with the 1994 recovery. In any case, don't be surprised if Great Fountain stays off the prediction board for awhile. On a slightly different topic, I noted that most wild phase activity occurred in late fall. Scott's most recent available edition says "...wild phase happened in June 1994--unusually early in the season but occurring in a year of severe drought." This just goes to show that the geyser will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants. I don't think June 2008 qualifies as a drought with snow pack in the Madison and Gallatin River Basins at about 175% of normal, and about 150% of normal in the Upper Yellowstone River Basin as of June 6 according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture Based on Mountain Data from NRCS SNOTEL Sites. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008 From dmonteit at comcast.net Sat Jun 7 11:13:01 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:13:01 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Orange Mound Spring Damage Message-ID: <200806071113.01696.dmonteit@comcast.net> While in the park over Memorial Day Weekend, I visited Orange Mound Spring. The activity was fantastic. Water was pouring off the mound, especially on the side closest to the road. New formations are building fast. This leads to the problem. It appears that park maintenance is still up to its old tricks. The damage to the formations next to the road was disgusting. While it was probably necessary for the park service to do something about the formation's encroachment on the road, the way they did it showed no respect for the resource, and left an ugly scar on the landscape. At the time I visited, it was obvious that over the winter, Orange mound had encroached on the road. It appears that the flow of water came off the mound, flowed along the ground beside the road, forming small terraces and areas of travertine ice, the flow then diverted across the road where it started building formations across the entire width of the road. When I arrived, the damage had already been done. I was not pleased at what I saw and tracked down information on what had happened. Maintenace, used heavy equipment to scrape the formations off the road, they dug a very ugly ditch through the formations alongside the road to divert the water towards a small hole, and probably worst of all, they reamed out that hole making it large enough to act as a drain for the water. The drain not only diverted water from the road but dried up an area off the road where some nice formations were building. Of course, when I saw them they were dry and beginning to crumble. No attempt was made to mitigate the impact of these changes are to try to make them fit in with the surroundings. The park service did not learn from Pink Cone. Their resource protection track record especially near roads is not good. They complain about visitors damaging resources but two of the worst examples of deliberate thermal resource damage in the past few years have been through the actions of the park service. It will be interesting to see if there are ramifications from this event. My understanding is that there are individuals in the Park hierarchy that are not pleased with what happened at Orange Mound. To their credit, the park had apparently been trying to come up with a low impact plan to address the issue. Unfortunately, maintenance, went out and did its own thing. The park talks about resource protection and uses it in its arguments for the proposed closure of some thermal areas to the public. This is an interesting argument when some of the worst offenders are in the park service itself. The park administration needs to hold park employees to at least the same standard it holds the public. I would argue, that since they understand the resources better, the park service should be held at a higher standard. In either case, they are failing miserably. Dave Monteith P.S. I'm still working to get some pictures of the damage loaded to my computer. If I'm successful, I'll forward them. From EnBBailey at aol.com Sat Jun 7 12:53:48 2008 From: EnBBailey at aol.com (EnBBailey at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:53:48 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Hike down Spring Creek Message-ID: We heard Thursday that those wishing to hike to Lone Star should be prepared to hike through some snow. Emily For I KNOW the plans I have for you says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me and I will listen to you. Jeremiah 29:11-12 **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080607/44714334/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jun 7 13:01:29 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:01:29 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Short geyser report June 7 Message-ID: Nice at dawn and some nice sunshine in mid-morning, but all too brief. Once again I drove out in some rather had snow, though today it wasn't sticking to the road. Snowing lightly here in West as I write. Crud. Great Fountain at about 0620 looked almost as if it was in a steam phase, but upon careful listening I could hear splashing at some great, echoing depth. Shortly after 1100 the steam was gentle. Bead 0631 and 0703. Narcissus 0654 (appeared to be a short duration). There seems to have been a bit of an "energy surge" to the "Steel Bridge Springs," as today I again saw the northernmost spring erupt to 2 feet or so plus I saw 1-foot splashing in another spring that I don't recall ever noticing before. At Biscuit Basin, Avoca continues the freqeuent, brief eruptions. Silver Globe is WAY down, the Silver Globe Geysers across the boardwalk are much higher than before but do not appear to be erupting. Also, at the far north, Outpost and Sentry have reactivated since I was last out there in mid-May. No changes in the biggies down the UGB. Riverside 0933. Daisy 0738ie and 0941. Oblong was huge at 1030. No overnight Grand call, and no Grand while I was there. I walked up on Uncertain at 0820. Castle 0719ns minor. Around 0730, Lion's steam puffs implied the end of a series. Aurum 0842. Beehive was in the night and having infrequent, small splashes this morning, implying an eruption at 0100 or before. My single Plume interval for the day was 64 minutes. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080607/082daa02/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 13:43:36 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:43:36 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Hike down Spring Creek In-Reply-To: <940197122eff4f1077510edc73168389@earthlink.net> References: <940197122eff4f1077510edc73168389@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806071343g7cc22b8bk83fb614d35b75778@mail.gmail.com> Great idea! Any of those days would work for me. Barbara On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Janet Chapple wrote: > Last summer I spoke to Barbara Lasseter about hiking down Spring Creek. > I've done it once before, but I have a nagging thought that I missed the > best route past Turtle Rock. So I'd like to try it again. Ideally, I'd find > enough other hikers so we could leave one car at the top (8.2 miles from OF > village) and another at the Lone Star trailhead parking area. Also ideally, > we'd go on to Lone Star and catch an eruption before turning back. > > Barbara, are you out there and would still like to to? Anybody else? > Unfortunately, I have only 3 days the end of this month when I could do this > hike: June 23, 24, or 27. BTW, I'll be sitting in Old Faithful Inn signing > books from 11:00 to 7:00 on June 28th. > > Janet Chapple > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080607/ee7e1cd0/attachment.html> From ralpht at fuse.net Sat Jun 7 17:19:55 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:19:55 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fountain Geyser behavior change in late May Message-ID: I am still clearing out a backlog of data files that I received upon arrival at Old Faithful. I just finished Fountain Geyser through 27 May, and noted that the intervals, which had been stable between 5h30m and 6h00m abruptly began to increase on 21 May. The increase continued to the end of the data on 27 May, at which time intervals were between 8 and 9 hours. The durations increased also, from 30m to 35+ minutes. The data and graphs are posted to the GOSA website. Ralph Taylor From ralpht at fuse.net Sat Jun 7 17:19:55 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:19:55 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <21.27.08661.EB52B484@gwout1> Oops. I meant in the aftermath of Giantess. Ralph _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Ralph Taylor Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:10 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 Another late chiming in, sorry. The interval was 9h50m, not uncommon in the aftermath of Beehive. See the GOSA website for the intervals thru 24 May. Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:52 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 In a message dated 5/11/2008 5:32:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, lcandnellie at united.net writes: I was surprised to see Beehive 2040 ns. I believe that is just under 10 hour interval. I thought Scott Bryan would be interested in case he didn't see it. You all know I've been saying that these 20+ intervals were possible/probably doubles. Yay. Thanks for the info. Scott _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080607/65ffbaa4/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jun 7 18:06:44 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:06:44 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/7/2008 5:48:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, lstephens2006 at hotmail.com writes: Scott's "Now what?" may have been rhetorical, but for those who have never seen a "recovery" from wild phase, Great Fountain may go into a period of up to several days where it does one false overflow after another after another after another, etc. These false overflows may, or may not, continue for several days. Finally, with no sign that I've ever figured out (although I've only seen two recoveries from "wild phease" Bot Hoffman told me he'd never been able to figure out a preliminary indicator either), one of the overflows becomes a true overflow and Great Fountain goes back to normal activity. Yes, the "Now what?" certainly was rhetorical. Question: is there a list (whether complete or not) of when wild phase has been observed? Given the comparison to 1994, it seems that overflow might be seen tomorrow and that the following 2 to 4 days could be quite interesting. I'll be there (if it doesn't snow too much... again ! ). Scott **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080607/d288e5bf/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Sun Jun 8 08:30:44 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 08:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Orange Mound Pictures Message-ID: <200806080830.44267.dmonteit@comcast.net> Here are three pictures of the modifications at Orange Mound Spring. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At 0620, Great Fountain was visually empty, as it was at 0855. I watched Pink Cone to its end (last water 0949) and returned to find Great Fountain still visually empty at 1000. However, upon glancing up from some reading, water was visible at 1018. Theeafter, it rose and fell on cycles of a few minutes, each rise getting a bit higher that the previous until -- first overflow at 1058. So in comparison to the 1994 observations: Both wild phases were preceeded by abnormally short intervals from the previous eruption. Both wild phases had durations of approximately 2 days (probably plus a little in both cases). (Note: on Friday, 6/6/08, we visually had the effective end of the wild phase, consisting only of boiling confined to within the crater, happening around 1030. However, according to Carolyn Loren, the electronic monitor continued to show elevated temperatures until about 1450; my feeling is that this was simply some slight, continuing overflow from the formations and not a mark of any "new water" onto the platform.) >From the end of the wild phase, in 1994 it apparently took in the vicinity of 2 days for Great Fountain to fill and reach overflow, and the first overflow today was essentially 48 hours from Friday's end. This being the case, if this recovery continues to follow the 1994 pattern, we should see frequent, perhaps episodic, "false" overflows throughout the day tomorrow and likely into (perhaps, through) Tuesday. This is fun. A few other things: Fountain 0608 (ns, due to the end of the steam cloud at 0635) and 1249ns. Pink Cone, as noted above, had last water at 0949, implying a start time near 0810. Yesterday, Jere had Pink Cone as 1310ie. Narcissus 0638 (short), 1036ie, and 1231 (short). White Dome 1044, 1108, 1137, and 1206. While briefly up at Old Faithful: Plume 0732 and 0840. Aurum 0813. Beehive was said to be splashing at about 2130 last night, and it was having splashes at 0710 this morning. Oblong 0848ie as I departed the OF area. Scott Bryan **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080608/92556ca8/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 8 12:25:20 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] (no subject) Message-ID: >From the GIS lab I have several maps with some named features. Additions or comments would be much appreciated, Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080608/fd4d2f0c/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UGB_legal_south.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 913164 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20080608/fd4d2f0c/attachment.bin> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 8 12:27:22 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:27:22 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] 2d UGB map Message-ID: The earlier post was a GIS map of the southern part of tlhe Upper Geyser Basin; here is the northern portion. Additions or comments welcome, Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080608/413b7e5c/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UGB_legal_north.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 1027599 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20080608/413b7e5c/attachment.bin> From ralpht at fuse.net Sun Jun 8 19:32:29 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:32:29 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A quick perusal of the Great Fountain electronic data indicates wild phase activity in September 1999, February 2000, September 2000, November 2001, December 2002, October 2003, and October 2006. I didn't look closely for exact dates; these times are based on very short (<6hour) intervals that usually occur just before a wild phase. Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:07 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 In a message dated 6/7/2008 5:48:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, lstephens2006 at hotmail.com writes: Scott's "Now what?" may have been rhetorical, but for those who have never seen a "recovery" from wild phase, Great Fountain may go into a period of up to several days where it does one false overflow after another after another after another, etc. These false overflows may, or may not, continue for several days. Finally, with no sign that I've ever figured out (although I've only seen two recoveries from "wild phease" Bot Hoffman told me he'd never been able to figure out a preliminary indicator either), one of the overflows becomes a true overflow and Great Fountain goes back to normal activity. Yes, the "Now what?" certainly was rhetorical. Question: is there a list (whether complete or not) of when wild phase has been observed? Given the comparison to 1994, it seems that overflow might be seen tomorrow and that the following 2 to 4 days could be quite interesting. I'll be there (if it doesn't snow too much... again ! ). Scott _____ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080608/83d3b10d/attachment.html> From Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu Sun Jun 8 22:59:32 2008 From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Jeff Cross) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:59:32 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 In-Reply-To: <21.27.08661.EB52B484@gwout1> References: <21.27.08661.EB52B484@gwout1> Message-ID: Does Beehive speed up simply because Giantess does not pour water down the slope and into the Indicator? Or does it speed up for some other, deeper hydrologic reason? We might compare Plume's response to see if both do the same thing. Jeff Cross From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Ralph Taylor Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:20 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 Oops. I meant in the aftermath of Giantess. Ralph ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Ralph Taylor Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:10 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 Another late chiming in, sorry. The interval was 9h50m, not uncommon in the aftermath of Beehive. See the GOSA website for the intervals thru 24 May. Ralph Taylor ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:52 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Beehive 5/10/08 In a message dated 5/11/2008 5:32:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, lcandnellie at united.net writes: I was surprised to see Beehive 2040 ns. I believe that is just under 10 hour interval. I thought Scott Bryan would be interested in case he didn't see it. You all know I've been saying that these 20+ intervals were possible/probably doubles. Yay. Thanks for the info. Scott ________________________________ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080608/c0dbe48f/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 9 02:17:49 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 03:17:49 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Record of wild phase activity (Stephens) Message-ID: Scott asked: Question: is there a list (whether complete or not) of when wild phase has been observed? Here's a list I developed by looking at the electronic records and the OFVC logbooks. Potential wild phase activity was identified by looking for a short interval--less than 6 hours followed by a long interval--more than 100 hours in the electronic record. Some periods that met this criteria were determined not to be wild phase activity because of reports of "regular" eruptions in the OFVC logbook. One period was reported in the OFVC logbook where the electronic record was not available. Electronic monitoring records were available from 1999 through present on the GOSA website. OFVC logbooks were available from 1995 through late 2007 on the GOSA website. I also reviewed editions of The Sput from 1988 through 1994. 2007 none identified 2006 10/14 and 10/15 in wild phase; next reported eruption 10/19 per OFVC logbook; electronic record not available from 9/28/06 to 12/31/06 2005 none reported in either source; electronic record not availalbe 11/02/05 to 7/12/05 2004 none reported in either source (Note: there was a gap from 1/2 to 1/23 in the electronic record; visual "ie" observations were reported in the OFVC logbook were reported between 1/2 and 1/23, which indicated this was a lack of electronic record rather than wild phase.) 2003 10/29 5:03 interval followed by 134 hour interval with next eruption on 11/03; confirmed by logbook with comments such as "Great Fountain has not erupted for a few days" 2002 12/16 4:15 interval, followed by 12/17 6:05 interval then 12/23 150:45 interval; The only report in the OFVC logbook during this time was an ievr on 12/18. 2001 11/22 2:25 interval followed by 2:40 interval; next eruption 11/28 150:00 interval; no data in OFVC logbook during this period. (Note there were two periods in June where the electronic monitor recorded intervals exceeding 100 hours, but visual observations recorded in the OFVC logbook showed regular, normal eruptions for the days involved in the long intervals.) 2000 2/12 3:47 interval next eruption 2/18 136:32 interval; no reports in OFVC logbook during this period 9/21 4:18 interval; next eruption 9/26 125:08 interval; logbook confirmation 9/21 start wild phase and 9/26 first eruption 1999 9/25 3:53 interval 9/29 102:37 interval; confirmed in logbook with wild phase start on 9/25; end 9/27 first eruption 9/29 End of electronic monitoring data posted on the GOSA website. 1998 no reports in OFVC logbook 1997 1/23/97 possible wild phase per Rick H., 1/24 13:20ie, 1/27 14:53ns 1996 10/19 11:47ie, ~18:30ie probable wild phase, 10/20 wild phase confirmed; 10/23 first since wild phase between 15:30 on 10/22 and 13:00 on 10/23 1995 no reports in OFVC logbook End of electronic version of OFVC logbook Review of "The Sput" 1994 6/13 entered wild phase; ended 6/16 next eruption 6/20 The article references "last observed" wild phase in late September 1986, beginning on 9/24 lasting ~26 hours; "The dry period before the first overflow was 1day8hours in 1986; first eruption started about 24 hours after oerflow began, but notes that records are not available for November through May for those years. I did not find any other references to wild phase activity from Great Fountain in any prior editions of the Sput. Tomas Vachuda's article in Volume I of The Transactions: "With extremely few exceptions, one can expect to obvserve the same elements repeated between each eruption. Two of these anomalies, defined in [Marler, 1973], are periods of long overflow, and low ebb. Another irregularity, [Bryan, 1986] is known as the wild phase. A long overflow can last as long as two days, while during periods of low ebb the water remains well below the rim for several days. During a wild phase Great Fountain erupts continuously, though with much diministed strength, for hours or days. The normal eruptive pattern is reinstated within a day of the conclusion of one of these irregularities. In most recent years, no occurrences of these irregularities have been recorded." Note that Marler identified "periods of long overflow," but I couldn't find anything where Marler described activity comparable to "wild phase" activity in the Inventory. Other sources that might identify periods of "wild phase activity"-- Sam Martinez had a monitor on Great Fountain for many years. His notebooks might identify periods of wild phase activity. Volunteer reports prepared by Sam, Bob Hoffman, and/or Herb Warren Rick Hutchinson's annual reports OFVC logbooks prior to 1995 The OFVC logbooks should be available in the archives. (If I can make copies of the logbooks, I'll start transcribing the 1994 logbook this summer.) It is possible that some of Rick's reports and some of the volunteer reports are also available in the archives. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow From udo.freund at lmco.com Mon Jun 9 06:20:52 2008 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:20:52 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Dating geyser water In-Reply-To: <969786.60897.qm@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969786.60897.qm@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I seem to recall the statement originating from the detection of minute traces of organic material in Old Faithful's water, which was dated using the carbon-14 method. I believe the organic material was determined to be bovine excrement. Thanks, Udo Freund Blessed are those that run around in circles for they shall be called big wheels! ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Hatfield Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 5:51 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Dating geyser water I've thought about this problem before. The post below is well written, but it never specifically includes the radioactive decay into the calcification. 1 TU now presumes 16 TU input if the water is about 50 years old. There is a lot of accounting to be done. But the real problem is with low concentrations of tritium, which is the case. This could be from young (~50 years) water, or mixing of very old water with some proportion of brand new water near the surface. Both would give the same result. The 500 year old figure has often puzzled me, because that's 41 half lives of tritium, after which there's no way you could detect tritium in any predicitive way. That figure must have been derived from some other method. Anyone know? ----------------- Ralph, Here is something for the geyser mailing list: Dating water is tricky, particularly in geysers where waters are boiling. One method scientists use to date water involves measuring the concentration of tritium (3H), which is a short-lived radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half-life of 12.32 years. Some tritium forms naturally as cosmic radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere, but during the 1950s and early 1960s, testing of nuclear weapons raised atmospheric concentrations hundreds of times above the normal background concentration. Tritium concentrations in the atmosphere have decreased following the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in the early 1960s and have since approached natural levels. By measuring tritium concentrations in spring (or geyser) waters, what is actually being dated is the last interaction between a water molecule and the atmosphere. However, when precipitation (with a known tritium concentration) enters the subsurface (groundwater) system, mixing of the water molecules occurs, so that at any given location along the flow path from recharge to a geyser, a finite volume of water would represent some integration of water molecules from many years. It is not realistic to assume that the entire volume erupting from a geyser percolated into the subsurface at the same time. More likely, the erupted volume is a mixture of water molecules that fell as precipitation over a rather long time period. To illustrate this point of mixing my USGS colleague (emeritus) Bob Fournier reported in a 1969 paper in the journal Science that more than 24 consecutive eruptions were required to clear Old Faithful of a tracer (rhodamine B) in a 1963 experiment. Nevertheless, some inferences can be made by using tritium. For example, this year's precipitation in Yellowstone has a concentration of 10 Tritium Units. (One tritium unit equals 1 tritium atom in 1018 hydrogen atoms). If for example the tritium concentration of a geyser is 5 TU, we calculate that the water could represent a 50:50 mixture of this year's precipitation and pre-bomb (more than 50-year-old) precipitation (0 TU). However, this is not a unique solution, both because of subsurface mixing and the time-variance of the tritium input. (The most straightforward interpretation of tritium occurs when its concentration is 0 TU, and we can confidently infer that none of the water has interacted with the atmosphere for 50 years.) In the past year, our group at the USGS, in collaboration with the National Park Service, has sampled the waters of five geysers (Old Faithful, Daisy, Grand, Oblong, and Aurum) six times. We are still in the process of analyzing the data, but so far we have found some detectable tritium in all five geysers (though always less than 1 TU). This implies that some recent water molecules are part of the total volume erupted. Other methods used by scientists for dating "young" water include measuring the concentrations of chloro-fluorocarbons (CFCs) and noble-gas (mainly argon) isotopes dissolved in water. As with tritium, the data require considerable interpretation. "Older" waters are often dated using radiocarbon methods, but this is problematic in volcanic areas such as Yellowstone because of the input of magmatic carbon. The short answer to Lucille Reilly's question following what she heard during a geyser walk "OF's water supply is about 500 years old" - I don't know how that info came about.... I hope the discussion group finds this helpful and not confusing! P.S. There was some more press coverage of the geyser paper; here are two of them: LiveScience.com - http://www.livescience.com/environment/080603-old-faithful.html Casper Star Tribune - http://www.trib.com/articles/2008/06/04/news/wyoming/doc48469fcdaa2b6592 0643 77.txt Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------- Shaul Hurwitz U.S. Geological Survey MS #439 345 Middlefield Rd. Menlo Park, CA 94025 Tel: (650) 329-4441 shaulh at usgs.gov http://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/hydrotherm/ ----------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In my two brief times there, I saw no other eruptions in the group. Fountain was 0616ie. Grotto 0848ns. Bijou on, Mastiff depth charging at 0700. Daisy 0632 and 0837ie. Oblong 0610ns. Grand 0241E. Uncertain tried to start at about 0718, when a deep drain had all Sawmill Group springs at low levels. Then Sawmill started from that low pool. And then Uncertain decided to erupt anyway, at 0826. Castle 0210E. Lion 0602 and 0709 (end of series). Aurum 0835. Two early Plume intervals, 61 and 53 minutes. And that's it for this day that actually had some sunshine (plus wind). Tomorrow may be so-so, snow is forcast for Wednesday and Thursday. Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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North map: Sprite Pool, not Sprite Spring Riverside is shown a long way from the river. Indicator Spring, not Grotto Pressure Pool Startling Geyser, not Startle Geyser South map: Limekiln Springs, not Lime Kiln Spring Belgian Pool, Old Tardy Geyser, Oval Spring misplaced with respect to the trail. Ear Spring and Beach Spring ditto. Peanut Pool and Butterfly Spring names reversed. Location of Midget is highly questionable, probably belongs much farther north. Labeled location equates with Spume Geyser/Spew Spouter. Ball Cap Geyser (originally Ballcap) probably does not exist. Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080609/5f29d3e8/attachment.html> From birdboy48 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 8 17:45:46 2008 From: birdboy48 at hotmail.com (Robert C. Johnson) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:45:46 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Orange Mound Spring Damage Message-ID: David, Unfortunately we have noticed the same thing at some of our more ecologically sensitive camping areas in Oregon. The Forest Service makes a big show of worrying about user impact on natural resources, and yet when something truly unsettling or egregious happens, it's almost invariably the result of their own maintenance people. The problem seems to be lack of informed supervision. Here they use low-security-risk prisoners from the local jail to do much of the work, and of course none of the higher-ups want to go out and make sure that they don't damage things. So they send someone along who has no clue at all about any of the environmental concerns that may have indeed been discussed in detail on a higher level in the past. In the case of the area I head the user group for, we asked that a biologist accompany any of the crews that get set loose in the area, but the big-wigs just laughed that off. Then you show up to find that all the hundred-year-old wildlife snags that were supposed to be left in place have been cut down and sectioned up for firewood. It's an upsetting pattern, for sure. Robert Johnson. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080608/6bfe0ede/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 9 18:13:42 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:13:42 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain wild phases Message-ID: The greatest of thanks to Lynn and Ralph for the listings of known wild phase activity at Great Fountain. I will note that Marler does seem to describe two wild phase episodes in the Inventory: "On August 8th and 9th [1970] instead of completing the normal eruption cycle, it began splashing from 10 to 15 feet in height about every 15 minutes. (This same situation was observed during the entire day of August 21, 1967.) On the 10th all activity ceased and the water was down about 9 feet. During the 11th and into the night there was steady overflow, but no eruption. It erupted at 7:45 a.m. on the 12th." Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080609/f5d42195/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 9 20:50:59 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:50:59 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ > From: ralpht at fuse.net > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser report Frid June 6 > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:32:29 -0600 > > A quick perusal of the Great Fountain electronic data indicates wild phase activity in September 1999, February 2000, September 2000, November 2001, December 2002, October 2003, and October 2006. I didn't look closely for exact dates; these times are based on very short ( > Ralph Taylor > > Ralph, Looks like you and I have the same list. Note however that the 2006 .txt file on the GOSA web site ends at 9/28/06 so I picked up the October 2006 wild phase activity from the logbook. http://www.geyserstudy.org/geysers/GREATFOUNTAIN/eruptions/Great%20Fountain%20eruptions%20for%202006.txt Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live? Messenger. Add now. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_AddNow_Now From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Jun 10 15:19:55 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:19:55 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report June 10 Message-ID: Mainly Great Fountain.. At 0623, Great Fountain's crater was visually empty but boiling could be heard at a relatively shallow depth. Later, Jim told me he saw the same at about 0515 and it was again the same at around 0900. However, at 1133 there was a visible pool, perfectly quiet and about 1 foot below overflow. While I/we won't know it until we have download data, I think Great Fountain probably erupted some time last night, in the early am hours. Fountain was 0628ie. Early, Plume had an interval of 59 minutes, but about four hours later the interval was just 45 minutes. Beehive in the night. Little Squirt was not active around 0730 but it was playing at 1012. Aurum 0829. Lion 0615, 0721 (very short minor), 0754, away, 0957... Castle 0415E. Grand 0938 (G2C). Daisy 0821 and 1027ie. Grotto 0641 without Grotto Fountain. I was told the same happened yesterday afternoon. It rained this morning, then cleared some and got the temperature into the 50s, but then clouds built in and around 1500 it began to snow. The forecast says a 75% chance of snow at least through the night and into tomorrow with a high temp tomorrow in the 30s. June 10. Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080610/e66abf2a/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 10 17:12:23 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:12:23 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Great Fountain wild phases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ > From: TSBryan at aol.com > I will note that Marler does seem to describe two wild phase episodes in the Inventory: > > "On August 8th and 9th [1970] instead of completing the normal eruption cycle, it began splashing from 10 to 15 feet in height about every 15 minutes. (This same situation was observed during the entire day of August 21, 1967.) On the 10th all activity ceased and the water was down about 9 feet. During the 11th and into the night there was steady overflow, but no eruption. It erupted at 7:45 a.m. on the 12th." > > Scott Bryan Thanks Scott, I missed that as I was scanning through the Inventory. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008 From birdboy48 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 10 18:23:16 2008 From: birdboy48 at hotmail.com (Robert C. Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:23:16 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Dandy Picture on the Webcam. In-Reply-To: <20080609225820.BA24A57F50@lists.wallawalla.edu> References: <20080609225820.BA24A57F50@lists.wallawalla.edu> Message-ID: I don't know if I'm the only one who tried looking at the webcam Tuesday evening, but the opaque gray screen provided a nice example of the wet snow they must have gotten. I can't remember the lens getting completely covered like this during the winter.... Snow the last few nights here in the Oregon/Washington Cascades as well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080610/e76ff6bd/attachment.html> From lohrenzd at msn.com Tue Jun 10 19:27:54 2008 From: lohrenzd at msn.com (Dean L) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:27:54 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report June 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, Yes, I got that Grotto w/o Grotto Fountain yesterday at 14:20. Also, I don't know how common or rare this is, but there were two Rocket Majors called yesterday: one I caught at 10:15 and one I heard called as I was leaving the park around 16:00. I guess I could have told you all this at Pizza last night but forgot -- too hungry! Dean From: TSBryan at aol.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:19 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report June 10 Mainly Great Fountain.. At 0623, Great Fountain's crater was visually empty but boiling could be heard at a relatively shallow depth. Later, Jim told me he saw the same at about 0515 and it was again the same at around 0900. However, at 1133 there was a visible pool, perfectly quiet and about 1 foot below overflow. While I/we won't know it until we have download data, I think Great Fountain probably erupted some time last night, in the early am hours. Fountain was 0628ie. Early, Plume had an interval of 59 minutes, but about four hours later the interval was just 45 minutes. Beehive in the night. Little Squirt was not active around 0730 but it was playing at 1012. Aurum 0829. Lion 0615, 0721 (very short minor), 0754, away, 0957... Castle 0415E. Grand 0938 (G2C). Daisy 0821 and 1027ie. Grotto 0641 without Grotto Fountain. I was told the same happened yesterday afternoon. It rained this morning, then cleared some and got the temperature into the 50s, but then clouds built in and around 1500 it began to snow. The forecast says a 75% chance of snow at least through the night and into tomorrow with a high temp tomorrow in the 30s. June 10. Scott Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080610/258f62e1/attachment.html> From kleany at cox.net Tue Jun 10 19:46:15 2008 From: kleany at cox.net (Kevin Leany) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Interesting capture Message-ID: Not an eruption, but with the snow melting off, this made for an interesting picture. Kevin Leany kleany at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ftn. pool observations: Dropped Overflow Restart Edges Boiling 1237 1252 1257 1312 1319 1324 1336 1350 1355 1413 1421 1424.5 1443 1452 1455 1512 1522.5 1526 1543 1556 1601 1613 1628 nr 1643 1657 On 6 Nov. I was in to help with a download at Gt. Ftn. and noted that overflow began around 1500...it continued steady overflow BUT Gt. Ftn. had not erupted as of 1735 when we left. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Stephens" To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:17 AM Subject: [Geysers] Record of wild phase activity (Stephens) Scott asked: Question: is there a list (whether complete or not) of when wild phase has been observed? Here's a list I developed by looking at the electronic records and the OFVC logbooks. Potential wild phase activity was identified by looking for a short interval--less than 6 hours followed by a long interval--more than 100 hours in the electronic record. Some periods that met this criteria were determined not to be wild phase activity because of reports of "regular" eruptions in the OFVC logbook. One period was reported in the OFVC logbook where the electronic record was not available. Electronic monitoring records were available from 1999 through present on the GOSA website. OFVC logbooks were available from 1995 through late 2007 on the GOSA website. I also reviewed editions of The Sput from 1988 through 1994. 2007 none identified 2006 10/14 and 10/15 in wild phase; next reported eruption 10/19 per OFVC logbook; electronic record not available from 9/28/06 to 12/31/06 2005 none reported in either source; electronic record not availalbe 11/02/05 to 7/12/05 2004 none reported in either source (Note: there was a gap from 1/2 to 1/23 in the electronic record; visual "ie" observations were reported in the OFVC logbook were reported between 1/2 and 1/23, which indicated this was a lack of electronic record rather than wild phase.) 2003 10/29 5:03 interval followed by 134 hour interval with next eruption on 11/03; confirmed by logbook with comments such as "Great Fountain has not erupted for a few days" 2002 12/16 4:15 interval, followed by 12/17 6:05 interval then 12/23 150:45 interval; The only report in the OFVC logbook during this time was an ievr on 12/18. 2001 11/22 2:25 interval followed by 2:40 interval; next eruption 11/28 150:00 interval; no data in OFVC logbook during this period. (Note there were two periods in June where the electronic monitor recorded intervals exceeding 100 hours, but visual observations recorded in the OFVC logbook showed regular, normal eruptions for the days involved in the long intervals.) 2000 2/12 3:47 interval next eruption 2/18 136:32 interval; no reports in OFVC logbook during this period 9/21 4:18 interval; next eruption 9/26 125:08 interval; logbook confirmation 9/21 start wild phase and 9/26 first eruption 1999 9/25 3:53 interval 9/29 102:37 interval; confirmed in logbook with wild phase start on 9/25; end 9/27 first eruption 9/29 End of electronic monitoring data posted on the GOSA website. 1998 no reports in OFVC logbook 1997 1/23/97 possible wild phase per Rick H., 1/24 13:20ie, 1/27 14:53ns 1996 10/19 11:47ie, ~18:30ie probable wild phase, 10/20 wild phase confirmed; 10/23 first since wild phase between 15:30 on 10/22 and 13:00 on 10/23 1995 no reports in OFVC logbook End of electronic version of OFVC logbook Review of "The Sput" 1994 6/13 entered wild phase; ended 6/16 next eruption 6/20 The article references "last observed" wild phase in late September 1986, beginning on 9/24 lasting ~26 hours; "The dry period before the first overflow was 1day8hours in 1986; first eruption started about 24 hours after oerflow began, but notes that records are not available for November through May for those years. I did not find any other references to wild phase activity from Great Fountain in any prior editions of the Sput. Tomas Vachuda's article in Volume I of The Transactions: "With extremely few exceptions, one can expect to obvserve the same elements repeated between each eruption. Two of these anomalies, defined in [Marler, 1973], are periods of long overflow, and low ebb. Another irregularity, [Bryan, 1986] is known as the wild phase. A long overflow can last as long as two days, while during periods of low ebb the water remains well below the rim for several days. During a wild phase Great Fountain erupts continuously, though with much diministed strength, for hours or days. The normal eruptive pattern is reinstated within a day of the conclusion of one of these irregularities. In most recent years, no occurrences of these irregularities have been recorded." Note that Marler identified "periods of long overflow," but I couldn't find anything where Marler described activity comparable to "wild phase" activity in the Inventory. Other sources that might identify periods of "wild phase activity"-- Sam Martinez had a monitor on Great Fountain for many years. His notebooks might identify periods of wild phase activity. Volunteer reports prepared by Sam, Bob Hoffman, and/or Herb Warren Rick Hutchinson's annual reports OFVC logbooks prior to 1995 The OFVC logbooks should be available in the archives. (If I can make copies of the logbooks, I'll start transcribing the 1994 logbook this summer.) It is possible that some of Rick's reports and some of the volunteer reports are also available in the archives. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From ralpht at fuse.net Wed Jun 11 10:45:46 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:45:46 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Orange Mound Spring Damage In-Reply-To: <200806071113.01696.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dave, An NPS person suggested that if you feel strongly about this (as you clearly do) it would be good to send it to the Superintendent. It is an important message and needs to be heard in a way that will require a reply from the NPS! I don't get to Mammoth much, and therefore don't see these things as often as I should. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David Monteith Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:13 PM To: Geyser Reports Subject: [Geysers] Orange Mound Spring Damage While in the park over Memorial Day Weekend, I visited Orange Mound Spring. The activity was fantastic. Water was pouring off the mound, especially on the side closest to the road. New formations are building fast. This leads to the problem. It appears that park maintenance is still up to its old tricks. The damage to the formations next to the road was disgusting. While it was probably necessary for the park service to do something about the formation's encroachment on the road, the way they did it showed no respect for the resource, and left an ugly scar on the landscape. At the time I visited, it was obvious that over the winter, Orange mound had encroached on the road. It appears that the flow of water came off the mound, flowed along the ground beside the road, forming small terraces and areas of travertine ice, the flow then diverted across the road where it started building formations across the entire width of the road. When I arrived, the damage had already been done. I was not pleased at what I saw and tracked down information on what had happened. Maintenace, used heavy equipment to scrape the formations off the road, they dug a very ugly ditch through the formations alongside the road to divert the water towards a small hole, and probably worst of all, they reamed out that hole making it large enough to act as a drain for the water. The drain not only diverted water from the road but dried up an area off the road where some nice formations were building. Of course, when I saw them they were dry and beginning to crumble. No attempt was made to mitigate the impact of these changes are to try to make them fit in with the surroundings. The park service did not learn from Pink Cone. Their resource protection track record especially near roads is not good. They complain about visitors damaging resources but two of the worst examples of deliberate thermal resource damage in the past few years have been through the actions of the park service. It will be interesting to see if there are ramifications from this event. My understanding is that there are individuals in the Park hierarchy that are not pleased with what happened at Orange Mound. To their credit, the park had apparently been trying to come up with a low impact plan to address the issue. Unfortunately, maintenance, went out and did its own thing. The park talks about resource protection and uses it in its arguments for the proposed closure of some thermal areas to the public. This is an interesting argument when some of the worst offenders are in the park service itself. The park administration needs to hold park employees to at least the same standard it holds the public. I would argue, that since they understand the resources better, the park service should be held at a higher standard. In either case, they are failing miserably. Dave Monteith P.S. I'm still working to get some pictures of the damage loaded to my computer. If I'm successful, I'll forward them. _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From EnBBailey at aol.com Wed Jun 11 14:50:57 2008 From: EnBBailey at aol.com (EnBBailey at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:50:57 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report June 10 Message-ID: Here are a few additions to Scott's June 10 report. We recorded Plumes at 07:51, 08:49, 09:43, 10:35, 11:19, 11:57 and 12:55. One additional Aurum at 13:02 We had a Beehive in the afternoon for the third consecutive daylight Beehive. I am sorry to say that I do not have the exact times but after waiting in the cold, wind and hail for over three hours (and about five Plumes), I neglected to record the time. It was 13:3? as Vickie and I mentioned that it had been 26 hours since the Monday eruption at 11:38. Also, from first notice of water in the indicator to Beehive start was probably less than 5 minutes. I'm sure Vickie can provide the exact times of all phases. Besides the weather making things difficult the last few days, we have had problems getting around, especially down basin, because of a herd of bison choosing to hang out on the paths and around boardwalks. Riverside was totally inaccessible yesterday for several hours at least. Today, Wednesday, there was a very short Grotto Fountain at 08:54 with a Grotto also at 08:54. Grand was 08:24. We caught one Daisy at 10:10 before being chased out by snow. Our first winter in Yellowstone turned out to be in June 2008. Emily For I KNOW the plans I have for you says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me and I will listen to you. Jeremiah 29:11-12 **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080611/3659bf47/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Wed Jun 11 16:47:00 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive OF dual screenshot from the Streaming Webcam Message-ID: <0K2B008VAOQFAV37@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> I took a look online today to find out how to capture video screenshots and one comment was that 'overlay' settings can cause video capture problems. So on my Windows XP computer (with Windows Media Player version 11) I did the following (follow along at your own peril with no guarantee it will work for you): 1) Started Windows Media Player (clicked on Start, All Programs, Windows Media Player) 2) Went to the Tools, Options Menu (right click on the title bar, select Tools, Options) 3) Click on the Performance Tab 4) In the Video acceleration box, click on the Advanced button. This opens the Video Acceleration Settings window. 5) In the Video acceleration box on this screen, uncheck the Use Overlays checkbox. 6) Click OK. 7) Click Apply on the Options window and respond Yes to the prompt. Then I restarted the streaming webcam and tried it again and this time I could capture the streaming web page contents (press Alt-Print Screen) and paste them into an image viewer such as Paint to crop and save them (save the files as file type JPEG or some other format to reduce their size). There are some screen capture programs out there that make capturing and saving images easier but you have to download something. Having just written this email, I wanted to send a sample webcam image of something interesting...and I see that Beehive indicator is going and OF is splashing ..so here's Beehive June 11 at 1736 with OF at 1740 webcam time. I call that interesting even though the weather is still 'unpleasant'. Happy Webcam Gazing. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080611/103a4fec/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The trails are very poorly done, probably leading to some of the following problems. Ditto the indication of the river. Why are different scales shown on the supposedly adjoining maps? And how were the scales determined, the smallest division on the north map being the same as 39.6 feet. And why are som many highly-important features not shown whereas a number of minor (in at least two cases, non-existent) things are shown. North map: Sprite Pool, not Sprite Spring Riverside is shown a long way from the river. Indicator Spring, not Grotto Pressure Pool Startling Geyser, not Startle Geyser South map: Limekiln Springs, not Lime Kiln Spring Belgian Pool, Old Tardy Geyser, Oval Spring misplaced with respect to the trail. Ear Spring and Beach Spring ditto. Peanut Pool and Butterfly Spring names reversed. Location of Midget is highly questionable, probably belongs much farther north. Labeled location equates with Spume Geyser/Spew Spouter. Ball Cap Geyser (originally Ballcap) probably does not exist. Scott Bryan Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080612/140b758d/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Jun 12 15:49:39 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:49:39 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Thurs June 12 Message-ID: I never wrote anything yesterday because, though into the park, I was out very early due to rather heavy snowfall. Fountain was 0537ie, Great Fountain 0608 (P=0) (but see below), Castle 0640 minor, Lion 0824, and Grand 0824. Today... Great Fountain is in the process of recovery. As of 1420 this afternoon, it had had four post-wild phase eruptions: (thanks to Ralph for these electronic numbers) 10 June 0424 (first post wild phase eruption) 10 June 1817 (1816 visual) 11 June 0613 (0608 visual) 11 June 2222 (a 1411ie in the logbook is clearly in error) 12 June no eruption as of 1420. This morning, Great Fountain appeared to be empty at 0615. Ralph saw it in heavy overflow at 0800, I saw it in heavy overflow at 1150 and at 1355. Then it dropped, starting at 1410 and was out of sight by 1420. As anticipated, Great Fountain will be unpredictable for a while. Fountain 0541 and 1148ie. Grotto in marathon today, presumable the eruption that began at 08xx yesterday. Note that there have been as many as four consecutive marathons (again, thanks Ralph) with which Giant seemed to not care one bit. Riverside 0606. Daisy 0600, 0812, and 1029. No Oblong call while I was at the UGB. Grand 0017E and 0828 (T2Q). Lion 1326 initial. Aurum 0700 and 1117. Beehive's Indicator 1255, Beehive 1310. Plume at 0719 and then not called again until 0855. That's 96 minutes, but I really don't think I missed an eruption until the next at 1023 (88 minutes). I hope I'm wrong. Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080612/bc4d024c/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Thu Jun 12 17:05:18 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:05:18 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geysir Report Message-ID: <0K2D00LK0K8Y1KM3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> No, that wasn't a typo in the subject line, this is a report about the real "Geysir". One of my colleagues just came back from Iceland and reported that Geysir has reactivated following a magnitude 6.3 earthquake on May 29th. Her comment was that it was erupting every 4 minutes and was quite high. She took some pictures but I have not seen them yet. I have been trying to find out more information on the web but came up with very little. There's one comment that Strokur is also more powerful. See the links below: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/06/07/iceland-earthquake-gladdens-touri sts/ http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05/30/iceland-is-still-shaking/ http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05/29/strong-eartquake-hits-iceland/ I would be interested to see more information if anyone knows where to find it. Go Geysir! Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ralph Taylor From meechg at verizon.net Fri Jun 13 15:10:01 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geysir Report In-Reply-To: <0K2D00LK0K8Y1KM3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0K2F00E6C99RK8X2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Here's a picture of Geysir from my friend. _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Graham Meech Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:05 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: [Geysers] Geysir Report No, that wasn't a typo in the subject line, this is a report about the real "Geysir". One of my colleagues just came back from Iceland and reported that Geysir has reactivated following a magnitude 6.3 earthquake on May 29th. Her comment was that it was erupting every 4 minutes and was quite high. She took some pictures but I have not seen them yet. I have been trying to find out more information on the web but came up with very little. There's one comment that Strokur is also more powerful. See the links below: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/06/07/iceland-earthquake-gladdens-touri sts/ http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05/30/iceland-is-still-shaking/ http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05/29/strong-eartquake-hits-iceland/ I would be interested to see more information if anyone knows where to find it. Go Geysir! Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080613/a76de7e3/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Before and after the big event, Mastiff had strong depth charges and Giant put some water out of the cone. Grotto 1030ns, and off before 1230. Oblong 0945. Grand 0941 (T3Q) -- I saw about 20 seconds of the 3rd burst. Lion 0914 (not initial) and no more. Beehive's Indicator 1322, Beehive 1334 (interval = 24h 24m). Plume 1014, missed I guess, 1212, and 1309. Fountain 0521ie and 1111 (d = 29min) Great Fountain 0525ie. Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Back to West on August 21 for a month or so. > Thanks for all the reports and have a safe trip back to Arizona. I'm still hoping to be in Yellowstone from June 22 to September 19 or so, but don't know how quickly I'll get computer access. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live? Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends From meechg at verizon.net Sat Jun 14 05:44:52 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:44:52 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geysir Report Message-ID: <0K2G00E9JDRUKHB4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Alan Glennon has corrected me and sent the link below that shows that I sent a picture of Strokkur from my friend, not a shot of Geysir. Thanks Alan for setting me straight on that. I will have to quiz my friend about what else was going on over at Geysir when she was there. Maybe its intervals were longer than the time they spent there. Thanks for the info Alan and the area photo below Graham. _____ From: J.A. Glennon Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geysir Report The picture is of Strokkur. Here is a link to the surroundings around Geysir (left side of photograph) and Strokkur (right side of the photograph): http://www.geyserworld.com/maps/iceland.htm Regards, Alan Glennon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080614/3a609da8/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jun 14 15:45:49 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:45:49 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Sat June 14 Message-ID: Grotto was on early, off before 0801, then Grotto Fountain 1326 and Grotto 1328 Riverside 0954. Artemisia 0806ie. Daisy, now tending to go back to a bimodal performance, was 0654, 0921, and 1133. Oblong 0655. Grand 0306E and 0953 (D0/G2C). Castle 0932 major. Lion 1201 initial. Aurum 0546 and before 1000. With Little Squirt active today, Beehive was a bit shorter: Indicator 1046, Beehive 1102. Plume 0721, 0820, 0921, 1015, missed, 1209. Avoca Spring continues to have nice eruptions, and it might be a bit cyclic... at leasst, stronger eruptions (one as high as 20 feet) follow somewhat longer intervals. Today I got: 1244:09, 45:34, 47:07, 52:56 (20 feet), 54:25, 55:52, 58:48, 1300:20, 01:52, and 03:16. All durations are on the order of 8 to 12 seconds. For the first time this year, I got (Silver Globe) Slit Geyser, at 1256, and it had by far the longest duration I've ever seen from it: 4m 12s. Drove up on Great Fountain this morning, 0607 (P=0). At 0630, Pink Cone was recently finished (wet road, wet platform and channels). Scott Bryan Somebody (Bill?) called Fountain as 1010ie. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. 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Plume 0659, 0758, 0858, but after that we were all away from it. On the drive in, Labial 0628. Have fun! Scott Bryan **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080615/d453d00b/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 16 06:35:38 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:35:38 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Old Faithful Intervals Message-ID: This morning Old Faithful had a short interval 06:15nswc to 07:23wc, approximately 68 minutes. Ralph, The electronic file on the GOSA website for Old Faithful shows an interval of 3:05 on 5/24, the last interval on that file (12:52 to 15:57). I assume the interval is incorrect since the Current Geyser Activity Summaries and graphs for 2008 show a maximum interval of 2:00. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on Windows Live? Messenger. Add now. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_AddNow_Now From greinstein at prodigy.net Tue Jun 17 14:36:47 2008 From: greinstein at prodigy.net (Gary Einstein) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:36:47 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] West Yellowstone Worldmark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48582E6F.1080701@prodigy.net> A little off topic, but has anyone had any experiences with the Worldmark time-share in West Yellowstone? Thanks, Gary Einstein From mwjohnson at lanl.gov Wed Jun 18 07:24:06 2008 From: mwjohnson at lanl.gov (Bill Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:24:06 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] West Yellowstone Worldmark In-Reply-To: <48582E6F.1080701@prodigy.net> References: <48582E6F.1080701@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080618082307.039d7f80@nis-mail.lanl.gov> We don't have experience with them, but a favor: if you do get any responses that don't appear on the list, could you forward them to me? We're interested in a West time share as well and are also looking for data. Thanks! -- Bill J. At 03:36 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote: >A little off topic, but has anyone had any experiences with the Worldmark >time-share in West Yellowstone? > >Thanks, >Gary Einstein > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 18:54:59 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:54:59 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] geyser report Monday June 16 thru Wednesday June 18, 2008 Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806181854k785dfeefsa5b5af115fee064d@mail.gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080618/186c5c95/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Penta was reported as seen on 6/17 at 1202 Rocket Major reported as seen 6/18 at 1321 Beehive 0859 (water: 0841, inidicator @ 844) Little Squirt reported as active 2015 6/18, and again ie @ 0719 this AM Plume intervals of 57, 64 minutes. Old Faithful @ 0550, 0728 Lion: initial 0942ns, 1102 Aurum: 1300 Grand: 0039e, 1033 T2Q Oblong: 0700ie and no additional call heard as of 1500 Riverside: one windy eruption midday--did not note time Daisy: 0728, 093, 1131, 1337 Grotto: 1300 (no grotto fountain) Fountain: 1515ie Another clear sunny day, perhaps a bit cooler. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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W Triplet 1049, Rift 1131ie Oblong 1618ie Riverside 0603, 1238 Daisy 0643, 0902, 1118, 1329ie, 1542 Fountain 0847ie ending at 0859 Great Fountain last night at 1815 P=1 Lone Star 0815 and 1132 (VR) Several more gazers left the park this AM. Hopefully reinforcements are on the way! Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080620/4daec6d8/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Fri Jun 20 18:52:55 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:52:55 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant by the numbers Message-ID: <200806201852.55585.dmonteit@comcast.net> Now that we can (sadly) close the book on Giant's remarkable 2005-2008 active phase, I thought it might interest the readers of this list to see some of the statistics I compiled. Giant, August 2005-April 2008 active phase Beginning of active phase: ?August 6, 2005 End of active phase: ?April 29, 2008 Duration of active phase: ?33 months Total eruptions in active phase: ?126* Total eruptions 1955-2004: ?145 Eruptions from April 10-30, 2006, a 3-week period: ?7 Eruptions from April 15, 2002-April 15, 2004, a 2-year period: 2 Eruptions by year: 2005: ?11 2006: ?47 (tied with 1997 for most eruptions in one calendar year since 1955) 2007: ?54* (new record for most eruptions in one calendar year since 1955) 2008: ?14 Longest interval of active phase: ?23d02h10m (August 2005, the first interval of the active phase) Shortest interval of active phase: ?~2d17h10m (April 2006, also the shortest interval since 1955) Longest interval after May 2006: ?16d00h05m (June 17-July 3, 2006) Shortest interval after May 2006: ?4d07h41m (July 24-28, 2007) Of the 126 known eruptions, information about Giant's relation to Grotto is known for 114* eruptions. ?54 of those eruptions occurred on a marathon recovery. ?Of the remaining eruptions, 27 took place during Grotto; 18 of those Grotto eruptions became marathons. ?33 occurred between Grotto eruptions; 13 of the subsequent Grotto eruptions were marathons. Hot period details are known for 64 eruptions: 35 eruptions were preceded by Mastiff 6 eruptions began during a Feather restart 2 eruptions were preceded by a "double Mastiff" 2 eruptions were preceded by Mastiff solos the previous day ? * All statistics include possible December 10, 2007 eruption (webcam report, not confirmed by washed signs) Tara Cross --fanandmortar at hotmail.com From mikeg at math.jhu.edu Fri Jun 20 20:34:49 2008 From: mikeg at math.jhu.edu (Michael Goldberg) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Beehive June 20, 0533wc In-Reply-To: <28ea0c2f0806201735w5a300cfew7fb08be7a86d7225@mail.gmail.com> References: <28ea0c2f0806201735w5a300cfew7fb08be7a86d7225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Beehive was at 0533wc on Friday morning, which fits in quite well with Barbara Lassiter's report of it finishing at 0538. The indicator was ie at 0519wc. Michael Goldberg mikeg at math.jhu.edu From mnewcomb at xmission.com Fri Jun 20 22:09:23 2008 From: mnewcomb at xmission.com (mnewcomb at xmission.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Photos from Mike - Upper Geyser Basin Jun 2008 and more... Message-ID: <20080621050923.88BE031008C@dc3-ws-mail1.ws.ag.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080620/8919133b/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jun 21 07:41:42 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:41:42 EDT Subject: [Geysers] geyser report Thursday, June19, 2008 Message-ID: Now it's my turn -- thank you, Barbara! Scott Bryan **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080621/1258e839/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 19:08:57 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:08:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Saturday 6-21-08 Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806211908t4c861217m510458b38a3063f2@mail.gmail.com> Warmest day to date, but still very comfortable. Clear and sunny. Beehive: 1730 water:1718, indicator 1719. This after an apparent overnight eruption. It looked dead at 0645. Plume intervals of 61,_____ 53, 53, 51 minutes--the last 4 were after 2P, the first before 0900. All 5 bursts. One 6 burst eruption thought to be seen (possibly miscounted?) this season, but I've seen only 5 bursts where I was able to count except for that. Old Faithful: 657ie, 829,______1435, 1606, 1744 Lion: 0655ie______1743 initial Castle: 0551 Grand: 0550, 1341 T1C. W Triplet 1258, off 1331--no Rift Oblong: 0614ns, 1450 Riverside: 0756, 1425 Daisy: 0739, 0948, ____1403, 1610 Grotto: 0612ie, off by 0910. 1114 (no grotto fountain) Artemisia: 1451 Great Fountain: 1735ie 6/20, 0523ie Fountain: [6/19 previously unreported eruption @ 2149 ] 6/20 1553 d=32. On 6/20 Clepsydra was reported off at 0930. And more gazers have arrived! Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080621/d094b110/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Sun Jun 22 17:29:10 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:29:10 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Sunday 6-22-08 Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806221729y1aa3de01x3157cc80859e147e@mail.gmail.com> Keep in mind this data is generated by many gazers' reports and radio calls. In the park just now I have encountered Jim Scheirer, MaryBeth Schwarz, Ralph Taylor, Andrew Bunning, David Goldberg, Dee Dykes, Bill Warnock, Dean Lohrenz, Sree & Karen Koka, Greg & Leslie Gushwa, Bob & Emily Bailey, Hans & Hilde Kaufman, Bill Lewis, and Brad Barth. Lynn Stephens is likely unpacking as I type and Tara Cross and Janet Chapple are probably en route. Kitt Barger and sister, Ingrid Smith, have come and gone as have Vicky Whitledge and Allan Moose, Jere Bush, KC & Julie Thomson, Bill & Carol _____, the rest of the Warnock clan, Mike Newcomb,Mike Lang, and Dirk Anderson. I am sure I left out a bunch I would never choose to forget...that (and spelling) have kept me from mentioning names in prior reports. Beehive: 1138 (water=1123, indicator=1124) Plume intervals of 106 (double), 54, 52, 50, 51, 55, 48, 52 minutes Old Faithful: 0753, 0923, approx 1050, 1230 Lion: 1234 initial, 1350 Aurum: 1339 Observed splashing water out of cone frequently at 0800, with no eruption between then and 1339. Depression: no eruption noted since 0957ie on 6-17. I did not check the log book. Castle: 6 min minor at 0740, major at 1243ie/ns Grand: 0706 and 1337--both T1C Oblong: 0911ie, 1417ie Daisy: 0650, 0850, 1052, 1249, 1436 Riverside: [2054 last night}, 0931, 1526 Grotto: 0809, Grotto Fountain: 0808ie Rocket Major: [2116ie last night] Artemisia: 0904 Great Fountain: [1712 p=0 last night ] 1533 p=0 White Dome: 1444ie, 1457ie, 1535ie, 1554, 1621ie Pink Cone: 1625 ie At Biscuit Basin, Avoca observed to be continuing its large eruptions, Shell Spring is dry. The dark clouds blew away by mid-morning and the sun has been shining. Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080622/2c2ed0e9/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 17:03:22 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday 6-23-08 Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806231703q68253842p8c8a842e3abe77bd@mail.gmail.com> Beehive 0658 (indicator ie @ 0650) Plume 0702 Old Faithful 0547, 0722 Castle 0159e Grand: 0643 G2Q Rift 0559ie Oblong 0653ie Daisy: 0623ns, 0820 Grotto: 0608ie Great Fountain: 1321 Pink Cone 1454ie Fountain: [1848 6/22], prior to 0800 this AM, 1331 (31minutes) spasm: 1314-1332 jet intervals of 6, 8, 7, 8, 6minutes from 1258-1337. After start of Fountain eruption, intervals of 3, 3, 4, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2 minutes (needed to be counted in seconds, not minutes) twig was active the entire time super frying pan 1251-1255 morning's thief had 2 bursts of >30 feet at 1332 and 1334 Nice trip to spray and imperial geysers. Trail in good shape, lots of wildflowers, and more water in fairy falls than I have seen before. Did not see eruptions of features along the trail near the river, however. Perhaps others can fill in the UGB times. Clear and sunny. Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No Lion or Depression observed during this time Aurum: 1112 (splashing nicely at 0800) Castle: 0535ie Grand: 0710ie vr and e, 1429. W Triplet 1436 Oblong: 0840ie Riverside: 0546ie, 1151 Daisy: 0215e, 0415e, 0615e 0815e (at this point the Visitor Center was predicting the next eruption for 0915), 0959, 1159ie, 1344ie Grotto: 0559ie, 1205 (no Grotto Fountain) Rocket Major: 1331 Great Fountain: 1158 Uncertain: 1457ie Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080624/df8b3464/attachment.html> From riozafiro at comcast.net Wed Jun 25 04:42:25 2008 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:42:25 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] FAN AND MORTAR: 6/24/08 @ 0641 In-Reply-To: <009f01c8d60c$7635d450$6401a8c0@OWNER> References: <009f01c8d60c$7635d450$6401a8c0@OWNER> Message-ID: I noticed this "odd steam" on the webcam yesterday morning, and wondered if it was Fan & Mortar--RIverside Geyser had already erupted earlier, and it is normally further to the right, at the "V" in the trees. Pat Snyder On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Bill Warnock wrote: > Tara just called to inform me that Fan and Mortar erupted this > morning at 0641. She just arrived yesterday evening, and we told > her as Empress that she had to get F&M back in order. 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URL: <#/attachments/20080625/104d7203/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 16:18:25 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:18:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fwd: Geyser Report Wed 6-25-08 completed (sent before draft was complete) Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806251618y773bd2c4i5456c1774248c701@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Barbara Lasseter Date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:08 PM Subject: Geyser Report Wed 6-25-08 To: Geyser Observation Reports Beehive 0943 (water 0915, indicator 0916) Plume 0724, 0820, 0915 Old Faithful 0629vr, 0815, 0946 Lion 0648(not initial), 0807, 0926 Castle (1815vr 6/24), 0728--5min minor Grand 0701 T2C W Triplet -713ie Riverside (1745vr 6/24), 0557ie Daisy 0724, 0922 Grotto in marathon early AM--variable & marathom pools down, Bijou weak Plate 0751ie White Dome 1048, 1108 Great Fountain 1050 Fountain 1424 spasm 1214-1228 and 1421-(still full and bubbling but not erupting at completion of Fountain eruption) Clepsydra roared during Fountain Twig 1447ie Lots of Jets, let me know if times are desired Pink Cone was ie 1120 (I understand from Lynn Stephens that it started before Great Fountain). Firehole Lake Dr entrance was closed during the Great Fountain eruption--those who stayed much past the first series got trapped as they stopped exiting traffic by the bridge a bit past Pink Cone to unload a truckload of timbers. Again, if others have more UGB details after Beehive eruption when I left the basin, please supplement this info. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080625/b8b7ec2d/attachment.html> From ralpht at fuse.net Wed Jun 25 20:46:59 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:46:59 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser data updated Message-ID: <6D.F6.16654.64113684@gwout2> I have updated the statistics sheets and all data and graphs for the Upper Geyser Basin including Geyser Hill, and in the Lower Geyser Basin only Fountain and Great Fountain Geysers on the GOSA website. I will try to get a few more Lower Basin geysers done soon, along with Lone Pine. A quick look at the data up to mid-June showed recent intervals of about 24 hours, unfortunately with the eruptions occurring late evening. Ralph Taylor From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Jun 26 15:53:20 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:53:20 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Response to dating geyser water Message-ID: Back about a month ago, we learned of the publication of a paper titled "Climate-induced variations of geyser periodicity in Yellowstone National Park, USA", authored by Hurwitz, Kumar, Taylor and Heasler. The appearance of that paper, and discussions resulting from that, read (in essence): "How do they date geyser water, and where did the figure of '500 years' come from." Via Ralph Taylor, co-author Hurwitz provided an answer, namely: " In short answer to...[the] question ... 'OF's water supply is about 500 years old' -- I don't know how that info came about." Well... since my book(s) would seem to be one source of the "500 years" statement, a huge exclamation point could be part of my answer to Hurwitz. I have held this response for my return to my full library here in Arizona. In my short answer, check USGS publications by such rather well-known authorities as Truesdell, Fournier, Christensen, and White. A primary source, which I cite here, is: Rye, R. O. and Truesdell, A. H., 1993, The question of recharge to the geysers and hot springs of Yellowstone National Park, USGS Open-File Report 93-384. I acknowledge first that a complete lack of detectable tritium in water shows only that it is "older" than 60 years. (Well, the paper in question here seems to say 50 years while all these other USGS things say 60 -- but what's 20% or so when the authors admit they "enhance the signal-to-noise ratio" by "filtering [to eliminate] 15% of the [Old Faithful] intervals from the data set" -- as several people versed in math and statistics, as well as geysers, said upon seeing that: "WHAT!?!?!") Sorry, I digress... In the Rye and Truesdell article are the following items (as samples): -- the deep reservoir residence time of most of the thermal water "should" be less than 1900 years -- the discharge from the deep reservoir is [approximately] 7.5 X 10^10 kg/yr, and per the chloride inventory the residence time is between 370 and 1900 years. -- the above is consistent with water-rock reactions AND with a recoil model for radium isotope supply that yields a maximum of 1150 years. {NOTE: It is in another paper that unfortunately I am unable to locate at the moment in which Friedman states that this value is a "best guess figure" for recharge rate.} -- However, the above authors note that, if the deep reservoir is replenished from multiple sources, then the oldest deep geothermal component(s) could well be as "old" as 10,000 years. -- Finally, the authors hypothesize that there could well have been a major influx of water to the geothermal system during the "Little Ice Age" of the 15th century -- that is, at a time somewhat more than... errr... 500 years ago. I will also point out to the authors that they apparently missed one reference to the matter of surface water influences, supporting my initial reaction to the article of : "Duh." This is: Marler, G. D., 1964, Seasonal changes in ground water in relation to hot spring activity; Am. Jour. Sci, v.262, May 1964, p.674-685. Enjoy. T. Scott Bryan **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080626/5eb42078/attachment.html> From caros at xmission.com Wed Jun 25 23:03:51 2008 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:03:51 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Final preparations Message-ID: <48633147.1010608@xmission.com> We're headed up there Sunday and wondered if someone could please tell us 1) Are the bugs good, bad, or indifferent? Seems like the wet spring would mean bad but the cold spring would mean good. 2) We're having our first experiences with cell phones and are wondering what sort of coverage there is in the park if we need ours for emergencies. We're with T-mobile. Thanks! Karen PS If anyone happens to be cancelling anything in the park from Wednesday forward, please keep us in mind! Go F&M go! -- Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered Robe of Light. From ralpht at fuse.net Thu Jun 26 18:35:09 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Final preparations In-Reply-To: <48633147.1010608@xmission.com> Message-ID: <3C.01.28458.4E344684@gwout1> I noticed mosquitoes for the first time today, both at West Thumb and the Firehole Lake area. Lots of water probably means lots of mosquitos. I get cell coverage around Old Faithful (fading out before Midway) and sometimes a little bit near Grant. I can't comment on the rest of the Park. I'm with Verizon. Ralph Taylor -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Webb Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:04 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: [Geysers] Final preparations We're headed up there Sunday and wondered if someone could please tell us 1) Are the bugs good, bad, or indifferent? Seems like the wet spring would mean bad but the cold spring would mean good. 2) We're having our first experiences with cell phones and are wondering what sort of coverage there is in the park if we need ours for emergencies. We're with T-mobile. Thanks! Karen PS If anyone happens to be cancelling anything in the park from Wednesday forward, please keep us in mind! Go F&M go! -- Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered Robe of Light. _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:23:32 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:23:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] geyser report Thursday 6-26-08 Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806261923h5486330bwd3cf0909b54c939@mail.gmail.com> Beehive 1637--NO indicator Little Squirt ie this AM and reported as bubbling last evening. Plume intervals of 51, 52, 49, 50, 48, 53, 51, 44, 45, 51, 49 minutes (yes, I waited a while for that Beehive!) I counted bursts on 10 of the 12 eruptions, and for the first time this season saw 3 with only 4 bursts. Of those, the before and after intervals were 50-48, 51-44, 44-45 minutes. Old Faithful: 0753, 0922, 1051, 1231, 1404, 1543--it was due again as I hurried thru the visitor center on my way home. Lion: 1128 initial, followed by 2 separate 25-30 foot bursts lasting less than 5 seconds at maybe the 85min and 100min points, then eruptions at 1334, 1439, 1552, 1649. Aurum: 1014, 1405 Castle: minor 0247e, major 0734 Grand: [6/25 1334e, 2229e], 0517e, 1356 T1C West Triplet: 0754ie, 1120 Rift: 1153 Riverside: 0633, 1310 Daisy: 0648, 0849, 1052, 1248, 1440 Oblong: 0611ns, 1300ns uncertain: 0650ie Artemisia: [6/24 @ 0815vr, 6/25 0817vr] I will be out of the basin most of tomorrow and Saturday. Today was cooler with some sprinkles, some sun, and windy on geyser hill--keeps the mosquitoes at bay! Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080626/14577c90/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Jun 27 08:02:28 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:02:28 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geysers 4th Edition Message-ID: Just in case anybody out there might have ordering in mind, I am told that the new, 4th Edition of my book, The Geysers of Yellowstone, should be back from the printer to the publisher within a week or so and, with that, available for distribution by mid-July at the latest. Please note that while the publisher is University Press of Colorado, their distribution agreement is with Oklahoma University Press. Book info: ISBN 978-0-87081-924-7. Price: $24.95 plus shipping. Be sure to specify 4th Edition. Internet orders: _www.upcolorado.com_ (http://www.upcolorado.com) Phone orders: (800) 627-7377 or (405) 325-2000 Mail (checks accepted payable to "OU Press", tax 7.5% only on orders within Oklahoma): OUP Distribution Center 2800 Venture Drive Norman, OK 73069-8216 No doubt the book will also be available via Amazon and such, and in the park, but I can't say how soon. T. Scott Bryan **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080627/ddb3b905/attachment.html> From zerotheproducers at hotmail.com Fri Jun 27 08:09:44 2008 From: zerotheproducers at hotmail.com (Barry Leedy) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:09:44 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Final preparations In-Reply-To: <48633147.1010608@xmission.com> References: <48633147.1010608@xmission.com> Message-ID: I have nation wide service through AllTel. The cell coverage is good at Canyon Village including Hayden Valley, the Grant Village area and Old faithful. I have a weak signal at Mammoth and Gardiner--bring lots of bug spray! Barry Leedy> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:03:51 -0600> From: caros at xmission.com> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Subject: [Geysers] Final preparations> > We're headed up there Sunday and wondered if someone could please tell us> 1) Are the bugs good, bad, or indifferent? Seems like the wet spring > would mean bad but the cold spring would mean good.> 2) We're having our first experiences with cell phones and are > wondering what sort of coverage there is in the park if we need ours for > emergencies. We're with T-mobile.> Thanks!> Karen> PS If anyone happens to be cancelling anything in the park from > Wednesday forward, please keep us in mind!> Go F&M go!> > -- > Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken> Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered> Robe of Light.> > > _______________________________________________> Geysers mailing list> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> _________________________________________________________________ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i?m Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080627/fdf5e5b3/attachment.html> From drforr at pobox.com Fri Jun 27 12:01:02 2008 From: drforr at pobox.com (drforr at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Final preparations In-Reply-To: <48633147.1010608@xmission.com> References: <48633147.1010608@xmission.com> Message-ID: <324cdeddcb707a4d122c0bfec004f8c0@roundcube-imap.mailstore.pobox.com> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:03:51 -0600, Karen Webb wrote: > We're headed up there Sunday and wondered if someone could please tell us > 1) Are the bugs good, bad, or indifferent? Seems like the wet spring > would mean bad but the cold spring would mean good. > 2) We're having our first experiences with cell phones and are > wondering what sort of coverage there is in the park if we need ours for > emergencies. We're with T-mobile. Based on my experience on Verizon, you'll be fine within a mile or two of Old Faithful, and a few miles from West Yellowstone. That's about it. From what I understand the towers are at Old Faithful, Mammoth and West Yellowstone, possibly one in the Canyon area. I've only ever been able to use the tower at Old Faithful, although this year I did get a low-power signal in the Hayden Valley in one particular turnout, which I have to assume was a fluke of the highest order. You'll be using analog roam, which drains more power than the digital service you're probably used to, so keep your phone charger plugged in. > Thanks! > Karen > PS If anyone happens to be cancelling anything in the park from > Wednesday forward, please keep us in mind! > Go F&M go! > > -- > Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the > silken > Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the > broidered > Robe of Light. > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From krmorby at comcast.net Fri Jun 27 16:56:27 2008 From: krmorby at comcast.net (krmorby at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:56:27 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Geysers 4th Edition Message-ID: <062720082356.14141.48657E2B000C7D9E0000373D2209229927970D9D01039D05@comcast.net> Scott, Are you planning a book signing/signings in the Park. Kent -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > Just in case anybody out there might have ordering in mind, I am told that > the new, 4th Edition of my book, The Geysers of Yellowstone, should be back > from the printer to the publisher within a week or so and, with that, available > for distribution by mid-July at the latest. > > Please note that while the publisher is University Press of Colorado, their > distribution agreement is with Oklahoma University Press. > > Book info: ISBN 978-0-87081-924-7. Price: $24.95 plus shipping. Be sure to > specify 4th Edition. > > Internet orders: _www.upcolorado.com_ (http://www.upcolorado.com) > > Phone orders: (800) 627-7377 or (405) 325-2000 > > Mail (checks accepted payable to "OU Press", tax 7.5% only on orders within > Oklahoma): > OUP Distribution Center > 2800 Venture Drive > Norman, OK 73069-8216 > > No doubt the book will also be available via Amazon and such, and in the > park, but I can't say how soon. > > T. Scott Bryan > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From greinstein at prodigy.net Fri Jun 27 22:37:07 2008 From: greinstein at prodigy.net (GARY EINSTEIN) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Geysers 4th Edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <207616.39230.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's available for preorder from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Geysers-Yellowstone-T-Scott-Bryan/dp/0870819240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214631298&sr=1-1 --- TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Just in case anybody out there might have ordering > in mind, I am told that > the new, 4th Edition of my book, The Geysers of > Yellowstone, should be back > from the printer to the publisher within a week or > so and, with that, available > for distribution by mid-July at the latest. > > Please note that while the publisher is University > Press of Colorado, their > distribution agreement is with Oklahoma University > Press. > > Book info: ISBN 978-0-87081-924-7. Price: $24.95 > plus shipping. Be sure to > specify 4th Edition. > > Internet orders: _www.upcolorado.com_ > (http://www.upcolorado.com) > > Phone orders: (800) 627-7377 or (405) 325-2000 > > Mail (checks accepted payable to "OU Press", tax > 7.5% only on orders within > Oklahoma): > OUP Distribution Center > 2800 Venture Drive > Norman, OK 73069-8216 > > No doubt the book will also be available via Amazon > and such, and in the > park, but I can't say how soon. > > T. Scott Bryan > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search > AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From dmonteit at comcast.net Sat Jun 28 17:14:13 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:14:13 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Fan and Mortar Message-ID: <200806281714.13886.dmonteit@comcast.net> Tara said Fan and Mortar erupted Saturday morning around 0700 -- I'm sure some one will report the time and details later. The interval was approximately 4 days. Dave From gosastore at roadrunner.com Sun Jun 29 07:36:25 2008 From: gosastore at roadrunner.com (GOSA Store) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geysers of Yellowstone 4th Edition In-Reply-To: <207616.39230.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <207616.39230.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48679DE9.2050306@roadrunner.com> Normally I do not wish to "hawk" sales via this medium, but when faced with competition like this, well, to heck with that idea. Frankly, I was puzzled about the reasons for advocating the usage of other sources. All booksellers make a profit on sales. I ask that GOSA supporters consider using the GOSA Store to purchase theirs. Then at least those funds will go toward furthering the causes for which GOSA was founded. BTW, Amazon's total cost is $20.46 when shipping is included. Like all items, the GOSA website sells the 4th edition book for a price that includes mailing to U.S.A. addresses. No extra shipping, handling or other charges apply except sales tax, which must be paid only by California addressees. So please consider buying from GOSA despite the inconvenience of mailing a check. (Sadly, we still have not overcome problems with credit card acceptance.) And don't forget that higher level subscribers may use their discounts -- Supporter: $22.46; Sponsor: $21.21; Benefactor: $19.96 - less than Amazon! http://www.computerpoint.net/catalog/gosa00/books/searchresults.htm Udo Freund GARY EINSTEIN wrote: >It's available for preorder from Amazon: >http://www.amazon.com/Geysers-Yellowstone-T-Scott-Bryan/dp/0870819240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214631298&sr=1-1 >--- TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > > > >>Just in case anybody out there might have ordering >>in mind, I am told that >>the new, 4th Edition of my book, The Geysers of >>Yellowstone, should be back >>from the printer to the publisher within a week or >>so and, with that, available >>for distribution by mid-July at the latest. >> >>Please note that while the publisher is University >>Press of Colorado, their >>distribution agreement is with Oklahoma University >>Press. >> >>Book info: ISBN 978-0-87081-924-7. Price: $24.95 >>plus shipping. Be sure to >>specify 4th Edition. >> >>Internet orders: _www.upcolorado.com_ >>(http://www.upcolorado.com) >> >>Phone orders: (800) 627-7377 or (405) 325-2000 >> >>Mail (checks accepted payable to "OU Press", tax >>7.5% only on orders within >>Oklahoma): >>OUP Distribution Center >>2800 Venture Drive >>Norman, OK 73069-8216 >> >>No doubt the book will also be available via Amazon >>and such, and in the >>park, but I can't say how soon. >> >>T. Scott Bryan >> >> >> >>**************Gas prices getting you down? Search >>AOL Autos for >>fuel-efficient used cars. >> >> >> >(http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>Geysers mailing list >>Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080629/d53bbb2e/attachment.html> From cross at bmi.net Mon Jun 30 09:36:28 2008 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:36:28 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive 30 June 08 Message-ID: <20080630162838.1E8A6C008FAE@hans.bmi.net> Moderator: Relay from Tricia Miller I could make out the indicator just at 0446. Beehive at 0458 webcam. Tricia Miller triciamiller at tiscali.co.uk From tsbryan_380 at msn.com Mon Jun 30 10:32:34 2008 From: tsbryan_380 at msn.com (SCOTT BRYAN) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geysers 4th Edition References: Message-ID: Believe me, I didn't mean to slight GOSA in anyway -- somehow, when writing that bit about my book, I just didn't think of the GosaStore. By all means, if Udo is getting the book, order it there! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: TSBryan at aol.com To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: [Geysers] Geysers 4th Edition Just in case anybody out there might have ordering in mind, I am told that the new, 4th Edition of my book, The Geysers of Yellowstone, should be back from the printer to the publisher within a week or so and, with that, available for distribution by mid-July at the latest. Please note that while the publisher is University Press of Colorado, their distribution agreement is with Oklahoma University Press. Book info: ISBN 978-0-87081-924-7. Price: $24.95 plus shipping. Be sure to specify 4th Edition. Internet orders: www.upcolorado.com Phone orders: (800) 627-7377 or (405) 325-2000 Mail (checks accepted payable to "OU Press", tax 7.5% only on orders within Oklahoma): OUP Distribution Center 2800 Venture Drive Norman, OK 73069-8216 No doubt the book will also be available via Amazon and such, and in the park, but I can't say how soon. T. Scott Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080630/90b85751/attachment.html> From barbara.lasseter at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 13:32:45 2008 From: barbara.lasseter at gmail.com (Barbara Lasseter) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:32:45 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday 6-30-08 Message-ID: <28ea0c2f0806301332v6413186eib73ea6eaf971f7e6@mail.gmail.com> Beehive 0458wc. Plume: 0624...0803, 0857, 0949, 1040, 1131 Lion: 1040 Aurum: 0850ie Castle: apparent minor ovrnight and another 0808ie Grand: 0247e, 0910 G1C W Triplet: 0848-0930 Oblong: empty pool at 0630, 1127ie Riverside: 1123 Daisy: 0718, 0928, 1128 Grotto Fountain: 0821, Grotto 0823, Rocket Major 1035ie Artemisia: 1041 Fountain: 0933 D=35 *Biscuit Basin* Shell Spring is performing on a continuous cycle of splashing fill and drain. Jewel Geyser was erupting briefly every 6-7minutes, but continues to have mostly low splashing and some very brief taller bursts. Avoca: erupting every 45sec to 4 minutes with max burst reaching as little as 1 foot to as much as 8 feet. Across the boardwalk in the Silver Globe area, the southernmost feature (most distant from boardwalk) erupted twice, maybe 2 feet high, (ie on arrival) at approx 40min interval, d=5min on 2nd eruption. Barbara Lasseter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080630/772e69bd/attachment.html> From Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu Mon Jun 30 17:05:33 2008 From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Jeff Cross) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:05:33 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday 6-30-08 In-Reply-To: <28ea0c2f0806301332v6413186eib73ea6eaf971f7e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <28ea0c2f0806301332v6413186eib73ea6eaf971f7e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A few questions: <> What is the interval and duration? <> This is probably Silver Globe Slit. It is capable of 10-15 feet, so this activity is clearly anemic. Jeff Cross Jeff.cross at wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080630/69b0147d/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jun 30 20:26:11 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:26:11 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday 6-30-08 Message-ID: 1. It sounds like Shell is normal -- watch it over a span of a few hours, and I'll bet the cycles result in gradually longer fills with gradually higher water levels and stronger splashing. 2. Jewel sounds normal, too. 3. Avoca sounds like it might have weakened some since I was there, as I never saw an interval longer than about 1 1/2 minutes. 4. And that last geyser has to be Slit (Silver Globe" need not be part of the name). I saw just one eruption this year. It had (in my experience) a very long duration, as Barbara saw, but it still reached 8 to 10 feet high, so maybe it is weakening, too. If it is AND Avoca is, too, I might expect to see a higher water level in Silver Globe (which is the deep pool right at the corner of the boardwalk); is it higher? Scott Bryan ------------------------------------------------ In a message dated 6/30/2008 4:55:44 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, barbara.lasseter at gmail.com writes: Shell Spring is performing on a continuous cycle of splashing fill and drain. Jewel Geyser was erupting briefly every 6-7minutes, but continues to have mostly low splashing and some very brief taller bursts. Avoca: erupting every 45sec to 4 minutes with max burst reaching as little as 1 foot to as much as 8 feet. Across the boardwalk in the Silver Globe area, the southernmost feature (most distant from boardwalk) erupted twice, maybe 2 feet high, (ie on arrival) at approx 40min interval, d=5min on 2nd eruption. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. 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Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Cross Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:06 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday 6-30-08 A few questions: <> What is the interval and duration? <> This is probably Silver Globe Slit. It is capable of 10-15 feet, so this activity is clearly anemic. Jeff Cross Jeff.cross at wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20080630/916fd316/attachment.html>