From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Dec 1 06:41:53 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:41:53 EST Subject: [Geysers] Terra Cotta Message-ID: First, define "separate." for example, Terra Cotta "A" has one main vent but at least 3 or 4 others that splash a bit at the same time. And "C" and "D" often erupt simultaneously and so possibly could be two vents of one geyser. Etc. Anyhow, I give five geysers there, with "B" being Dishpan Spring and "C" being Washtub Spring. I think. Probably the one person who would have the answer to this for sure is Mike Keller, who developed the A, B, C, D, E designations. Scott Bryan In a message dated 11/30/2008 6:11:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Je ff.Cross at wallawalla.edu writes: How many separate geysers are found in the Terra Cotta complex? Jeff Cross **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081201/5230399a/attachment.html> From THert at uwyo.edu Mon Dec 1 07:41:58 2008 From: THert at uwyo.edu (Tamsen Leigh Hert) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:41:58 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Is this Improbable Geyser? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robin, I am responsible for obtaining Wyoming materials for the University of Wyoming Libraries. How would how I obtain 2 copies of your book? Thanks, Tamsen Tamsen Emerson Hert, MLS, MA Wyoming Bibliographer Collection Development Department University of Wyoming Libraries Dept. 3334 1000 East University Avenue Laramie, WY 82071 phone: 307-766-6245 email: thert at uwyo.edu =^..^= From: Robin Reynolds [mailto:reynoldshaertle at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:47 AM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Is this Improbable Geyser? Happy Thanksgiving and thanks all for the information! I've made several scrapbooks from my Yellowstone photos. I also made a rolodex of picture of thermal features which sits on my sewing table. Every day I flip to a new picture. Now I'm working on a trail guide of my pictures which I can print on Shutterfly as a book. If you want a look, I've posted a few pages here: http://www.flickr.com/gp/28627387 at N05/mN015j -Robin ________________________________ From: TSBryan at aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Geysers] Is this Improbable Geyser? To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Yes, that is the so-called Improbable. Scott Bryan In a message dated 11/20/2008 5:58:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, reynoldshaertle at hotmail.com writes: I'm trying to identify this for my photo album and I just got my copy of the 4th edition geyser book yesterday. From the 3rd edition, I thought perhaps it was Cascade, but Cascade wouldn't be visible from the boardwalk. The pool is just down the hill from Anemone towards the river. ________________________________ One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today! ________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. Sign up today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081201/fc174bd9/attachment.html> From udo.freund at lmco.com Tue Dec 2 11:27:27 2008 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:27:27 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article Message-ID: Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b 0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt Thanks, Happy Holidays! Udo Freund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Allan Moose ________________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Freund, Udo [udo.freund at lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:27 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt Thanks, Happy Holidays! Udo Freund From decrotty at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 02:11:21 2008 From: decrotty at yahoo.com (DEC) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:11:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article References: Message-ID: <818604.42480.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hello all, I'm not an expert on geothermal but it is not exactly as cheap as mentioned in the Trib article. The environment down there is very corrosive to the equipment. Some of the water that comes up the tubes is very harmful to the environment at the surface. It apparently is difficult to deal with that. Here is an article that seems to be a balanced view. http://www.wikinvest.com/concept/Geothermal_energy There really are a lot of choices and each one has problems. David Crotty ________________________________ From: "Freund, Udo" To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:27:27 PM Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article Casper Trib article Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt Thanks, Happy Holidays! Udo Freund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stephen Ott BYU-Idaho Chemistry Department From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Freund, Udo Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:27 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b 0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt Thanks, Happy Holidays! Udo Freund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081203/237c7d38/attachment.html> From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 19:01:15 2008 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:01:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <919400.87257.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think the problem with Mr. Green is that he simply does not care whether the geysers are damaged or not. Money and opportunity speak to him more eloquently than the preservation of premium natural features. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Kevin Leany wrote: > From: Kevin Leany > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Casper Trib article > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:15 PM > Casper Trib articleAll one has to do is look at what the > idiots in my home state of Nevada did (which NV energy is > now proudly advertising) to Steamboat Springs and Beowawe. > All the geysers are now ruined. Those who forget the past > are condemned to repeat it. Mr. Geen need to put this one > in the round file and deposit it where it belongs. > > Kevin Leany > kleany at cox.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Freund, Udo > To: Geyser Observation Reports > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:27 AM > Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article > > > Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on > this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. > > > http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt > > > Thanks, > Happy Holidays! > Udo Freund > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 19:03:05 2008 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:03:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] RE: Casper Trib article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <273718.84827.qm@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is an excellent idea, and actually, smaller scale geothermal extraction of this same type is being used occasionally in many places already - in some cases far from major volcanic areas. One need not destroy the extraordinary to benefit significantly from the ordinary. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Moose, Allan E. wrote: > From: Moose, Allan E. > Subject: [Geysers] RE: Casper Trib article > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:38 PM > I have a better idea. Why not pipe water into Mt. St. > Helens, and use it to generate steam to run turbines. If you > don't like Mt. St. Helens, pick your favorite volcano. > > Just leave Yellowstone alone! > > Allan Moose > ________________________________________ > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Freund, > Udo [udo.freund at lmco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:27 PM > To: Geyser Observation Reports > Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article > > Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on > this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. > > http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt > > Thanks, > Happy Holidays! > Udo Freund > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From david.schwarz at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 00:46:23 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a link to the original press release by Steve M. Green, the inventor and, apparently, sole proponent of this plan: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS134398+11-Nov-2008+PRN20081111. I hate to resort to ad hominem attacks, but who is this guy? What's his background that he has this incredible, planet-saving insight that has been either missed or irresponsibly dismissed by all of the professional geologists and physicists in the world, who have dedicated their entire lives to the study of their fields? A "self-proclaimed problem solver"? Here's the bio from his own press release: "From NASCAR racing to world-record-holding Tornado Hunter, and creating breakthrough inventions such as his new Water Bomber which will help save life and property while helping to prevent the displacement of people during major wildfires, Steven M. Green has lived a life extraordinaire. He passionately strives for paradigm-shifting achievements that according to Green have the potential to save the planet. Green currently lives in Canton, Ohio, where he is working on promoting his energy plan to key government, media and the alternative energy industry leaders." At least he's modest. I'm sorry, but he doesn't sound like a geophysicist to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I were a geophysicist trying to sell the story he's selling, I'd be sure to mention it in my bio. To me, he sounds like a guy who read some facts that he understood at only a superficial level and put them together to arrive at a ridiculous conclusion. Somehow, I bet that his lobbying campaign doesn't include anything approaching a rigorous engineering analysis of the cost and feasibility of the project he's proposing, nor of its realistic yield. Yes, if you could harness all the energy of an active volcano, you could get a lot of power. Good luck 1) doing so cost-effectively 2) doing so sustainably and 3) doing so at all, or even coming close. As popular as it apparently is to think so, the world's scientific and engineering communities do not consist of idiots. If they haven't latched onto this plan, then maybe, just maybe, it's not as brilliant as its creator says it is. While I'm casting aspersions on people I don't know, I find the complete lack of skepticism by the Tribune reporter pretty appalling. I realize that it's unreasonable to expect every journalist who writes about science to have a thorough understanding of the subject, but I _do_ expect them to ask some pretty detailed questions and do some thorough investigation when someone comes to them claiming to have found a solution to all of the world's energy problems. That's a pretty outlandish claim, and at least as far as his press release and this article are concerned, it's not backed up with a shred of evidence, much less anything convincing. The Tribune might as well have just reprinted his press release for all the legwork that went into their piece. I understand that sloppy, lazy journalism has become the rule of the day, but this is really above and beyond. If I make a press release tomorrow that I, computer scientist, software developer, and problem solver extraordinaire, have come up with a means by which we can feed everyone in the world, and all we have to do is level New York City, I'd like to think that I'd be met with a little more skepticism than, "Perhaps the logistics are smaller than the cultural leap it would take to tackle such world-scale problems." Yes. If only people would get over their silly reluctance to sacrifice two million acres of some of the most beloved and spectacular wilderness in the world--on the word of a single self-proclaimed expert--maybe the human race could finally start making some real progress. I can't help but think that some people living around the park, tired of various environmentalist groups imposing restrictions on their lives and livelihoods (banning snowmobiles, changing visitation rules, introducing and/or protecting species that impact ranching, and so on), think they've finally found a way to stick it to them: Tell them that they can have clean, green energy, but it'll cost them their beloved wilderness, mountains, forests, wildlife, geysers--all of it. That's certainly the impression I get from the gleeful, petty tone of some of the comments on the article's web site, and I wonder if the lack of skepticism in the article isn't due to that sentiment being shared by the Tribune staff and editorial board. If so, it's misguided and the article only makes them look foolish. If not, I'm at a loss to explain how you don't put a little more effort into investigating a guy with dubious credentials who claims he can save the world. David Schwarz From caros at xmission.com Thu Dec 4 17:49:39 2008 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:49:39 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493888B3.2010307@xmission.com> What whoever wrote the bio is, is someone who could use a course in basic grammar! I can't believe the grandiose nature of these claims, and I'm surprised this ended up on Reuters (except that it looks like you can upload your own press releases, or a service can do it for you). I try *not* to be a lazy journalist, but you are sometimes at the mercy of your editor. I had a very fair article on the subject of water flouridation hacked to bits by an editor (guess what went --- all the info no one on the paper had ever included that gave a case against flouridation), but I was surprised this article contained only one measly little comment from someone related to the park. It is a very sad fact of journalistic life that newspapers assign warm bodies with no expertise in specialized areas. Maybe Greene's plan would allow newspapers to extend their budgets to cover unpopular areas like the arts and sciences in addition to everything else he expects his plan to improve. Revitalizing the auto industry? Selling energy to Mexico? I guess he *has* lived a life extraordinaire, if only in the fertile fields of his own imagination. Karen (Like I said in my comment, the article just sounds like people 100 or so years ago saying "Look at all the bison. There's just so darned many that a few white men hunting them for sport won't even put a dent in the population.") David Schwarz wrote: > Here's a link to the original press release by Steve M. Green, the > inventor and, apparently, sole proponent of this plan: > http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS134398+11-Nov-2008+PRN20081111. > > I hate to resort to ad hominem attacks, but who is this guy? > What's his background that he has this incredible, planet-saving > insight that has been either missed or irresponsibly dismissed by all > of the professional geologists and physicists in the world, who have > dedicated their entire lives to the study of their fields? A > "self-proclaimed problem solver"? > > Here's the bio from his own press release: "From NASCAR racing to > world-record-holding Tornado Hunter, and creating > breakthrough inventions such as his new Water Bomber which will help > save life and property while helping to prevent the displacement of > people during major wildfires, Steven M. Green has lived a life > extraordinaire. He passionately strives for paradigm-shifting > achievements that according to Green have the potential to save the > planet. Green currently lives in Canton, Ohio, where he > is working on promoting his energy plan to key government, media and > the alternative energy industry leaders." > > At least he's modest. > > I'm sorry, but he doesn't sound like a geophysicist to me. Maybe > I'm wrong, but if I were a geophysicist trying to sell the story he's > selling, I'd be sure to mention it in my bio. To me, he sounds like a > guy who read some facts that he understood at only a superficial level > and put them together to arrive at a ridiculous conclusion. Somehow, > I bet that his lobbying campaign doesn't include anything approaching > a rigorous engineering analysis of the cost and feasibility of the > project he's proposing, nor of its realistic yield. Yes, if you could > harness all the energy of an active volcano, you could get a lot of > power. Good luck 1) doing so cost-effectively 2) doing so sustainably > and 3) doing so at all, or even coming close. > > As popular as it apparently is to think so, the world's scientific > and engineering communities do not consist of idiots. If they haven't > latched onto this plan, then maybe, just maybe, it's not as brilliant > as its creator says it is. > > While I'm casting aspersions on people I don't know, I find the > complete lack of skepticism by the Tribune reporter pretty appalling. > I realize that it's unreasonable to expect every journalist who writes > about science to have a thorough understanding of the subject, but I > _do_ expect them to ask some pretty detailed questions and do some > thorough investigation when someone comes to them claiming to have > found a solution to all of the world's energy problems. That's a > pretty outlandish claim, and at least as far as his press release and > this article are concerned, it's not backed up with a shred of > evidence, much less anything convincing. The Tribune might as well > have just reprinted his press release for all the legwork that went > into their piece. I understand that sloppy, lazy journalism has > become the rule of the day, but this is really above and beyond. > > If I make a press release tomorrow that I, computer scientist, > software developer, and problem solver extraordinaire, have come up > with a means by which we can feed everyone in the world, and all we > have to do is level New York City, I'd like to think that I'd be met > with a little more skepticism than, "Perhaps the logistics are smaller > than the cultural leap it would take to tackle such world-scale > problems." Yes. If only people would get over their silly reluctance > to sacrifice two million acres of some of the most beloved and > spectacular wilderness in the world--on the word of a single > self-proclaimed expert--maybe the human race could finally start > making some real progress. > > I can't help but think that some people living around the park, > tired of various environmentalist groups imposing restrictions on > their lives and livelihoods (banning snowmobiles, changing visitation > rules, introducing and/or protecting species that impact ranching, and > so on), think they've finally found a way to stick it to them: Tell > them that they can have clean, green energy, but it'll cost them their > beloved wilderness, mountains, forests, wildlife, geysers--all of it. > That's certainly the impression I get from the gleeful, petty tone of > some of the comments on the article's web site, and I wonder if the > lack of skepticism in the article isn't due to that sentiment being > shared by the Tribune staff and editorial board. If so, it's > misguided and the article only makes them look foolish. If not, I'm > at a loss to explain how you don't put a little more effort into > investigating a guy with dubious credentials who claims he can save > the world. > > David Schwarz > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > From dkbrice at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 4 23:20:25 2008 From: dkbrice at blueyonder.co.uk (Derek Brice) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:20:25 -0000 Subject: [Geysers] Thursday Morning References: <20081117122015.9370F770@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4C731DDD29E14EF98FCEBA528B6F2379@athlon3200> At around 7:30am MST, Jimbo reported in the forum that there was a large steam plume rising from the Grand-Giant area so I zoomed the streaming cam in for a closer look. Unlike you guys, I'm no expert, but the steam seemed in about the right place for Giant and it seemed to be very white and rising fast like there was a lot of hot water under it. So can someone please let me know if it was Giant or not. Thanks Derek Brice From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Dec 5 06:52:34 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:52:34 EST Subject: [Geysers] ID of old car Message-ID: OK, so this doesn't have anything to do with geysers, but I really hope the moderators will let this go through, anyway. Attached as a small jpg is a photo that shows famous prospector Shorty Harris with an unidentified person having lunch in front of a car in Death Valley. The photo was just obtained from the historic archives at Utah State University and definitely has never been published before. It is believed that the photo was taken in 1926, but that is not certain. The question: can anybody out there identify the car? I'd sure appreciate. 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Current US and World geothermal power production can only supply about 30 seconds and 79 seconds worth, respectively, of the US need. http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update74.htm Robert Lieb ________________________________ From: "Freund, Udo" To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:27:27 PM Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article Casper Trib article Perhaps some of you would like to read and /or comment on this article in the Casper WY Star-Tribune. http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/11/23/news/business/cbb4b0245e95c4278725750900267a38.txt Thanks, Happy Holidays! Udo Freund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't enlarge that part enough with what you sent for my FIL to see it well. If anyone can ID that car, it's probably him. (84 year old car person) Laurie Brown, Dark Phoenix lauriebr at netw.com http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/103910/laurie_brown.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081206/ab7f1dc5/attachment.html> From Beckykr at aol.com Sat Dec 6 15:05:49 2008 From: Beckykr at aol.com (Beckykr at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:49 EST Subject: [Geysers] Casper Trib article Message-ID: This article is an example of astoundingly poor journalism. It didn't even address whether the "proposal" would even work. Obviously, I'm against this for about a million reasons, but the first question an unbiased journalist should have asked is "Could this work?" and then "Where can I find an actual scientist to address whether it might work?" before even addressing the question of whether it would be a popular idea. I was editor of my lowly college newspaper, and this article wouldn't have gotten past me on that basis alone. Becky **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081206/cff5e13b/attachment.html> From ljl98012 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 19:37:47 2008 From: ljl98012 at gmail.com (Larry Larsen) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:37:47 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] ID of old car In-Reply-To: <00e001c957d4$6861e860$688a2945@Memoria> References: <00e001c957d4$6861e860$688a2945@Memoria> Message-ID: Model T Phaeton? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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US Mountain Standard Time, lauriebr at netw.com writes: Scott, could you scan the photo and crop it to just the front end- the radiator and hood ornement area? I can't enlarge that part enough with what you sent for my FIL to see it well. If anyone can ID that car, it's probably him. (84 year old car person) Laurie Brown, Dark Phoenix **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081207/db3bcb03/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carolyn Loren> From: dkbrice at blueyonder.co.uk> To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:20:25 +0000> Subject: [Geysers] Thursday Morning> > At around 7:30am MST, Jimbo reported in the forum that> there was a large steam plume rising from the Grand-Giant> area so I zoomed the streaming cam in for a closer look.> Unlike you guys, I'm no expert, but the steam seemed in> about the right place for Giant and it seemed to be very> white and rising fast like there was a lot of hot water > under it.> So can someone please let me know if it was Giant or not.> Thanks> Derek Brice > > > _______________________________________________> Geysers mailing list> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081207/a6946e49/attachment.html> From Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu Sun Dec 7 14:18:32 2008 From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Jeff Cross) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:18:32 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Air Geyser in Sweden Message-ID: Here is a link to video of what one might call an "air geyser" in Sweden. It looks very similar to the one circulated on this list 2 years ago from the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, that erupted from the middle of a highway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-ky4_SO0U&feature=related The video allows you to comprehend the eruption's size. Jeff Cross crossj at whitman.edu From david.schwarz at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 18:41:54 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:54 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Obscure Features at Norris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's been a while since I've been there, but I think Amethyst Geyser was one of the first springs encountered when visiting Hundred Springs Plain by going over the hill near Ebony Geyser. The feature I'm thinking of is in a shallow alcove off to the right as you skirt the thermal area. When I saw it (in 1992 or 1993), this feature erupted in a continuous, bursting boil several feet high, churning up and throwing out eerily pale violet sand. It was much weaker and possibly periodic the next time I passed by, a year later, and I think I remember that it was dormant after that. It's possible that Amethyst was a different spring nearby, but I'm pretty sure it was in that area. No idea about any of the others. David Schwarz On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:22 AM, Jeff Cross wrote: > I have been looking through some papers on Norris Geyser Basin, but I have > been unable to place any of the following features on a map. > > Can anyone tell me where the following features are located? > > Amethyst Geyser > Wistful Geyser > Perpetual Geyser (is this the same as Perpetual Spouter, near Firecracker > Spring?) > Fish Geyser > Labial Geyser > Acute Spouter > > I appreciate your help, > > Jeff Cross > crossj at whitman.edu_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081207/a7ae1d2d/attachment.html> From conanvandt at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 08:07:17 2008 From: conanvandt at yahoo.com (Eric Hatfield) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Air Geyser in Sweden Message-ID: <473981.9548.qm@web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm still waiting for anyone who can explain why or how this happens!? ________________________________ From: Jeff Cross To: "geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 4:18:32 PM Subject: [Geysers] Air Geyser in Sweden Here is a link to video of what one might call an "air geyser" in Sweden.? It looks very similar to the one circulated on this list 2 years ago from the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, that erupted from the middle of a highway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-ky4_SO0U&feature=related The video allows you to comprehend the eruption's size. Jeff Cross crossj at whitman.edu_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081208/fbe5262e/attachment.html> From conanvandt at yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 08:17:45 2008 From: conanvandt at yahoo.com (Eric Hatfield) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:17:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Air Geyser in Sweden Message-ID: <462161.88076.qm@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So in self response, I found the full video on YouTube which shows several more "eruptions."? It also contains a bit of an explanation for my own question of how it works, and maybe gives some insight into the Minnesota phenomena.? In Swedish and English: ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9fVALW_HZo&NR=1 ? Vattnet rinner ner i ett schakt och vidare i en tunnel som ?r 17km (!) l?ng, och vid v?rfloden s? sugs det ned massvis med luft som tillslut ?ker tillbaka till ?ppningen, resultatet..ja videon s?ger allt. "Gejsern" varierar i storlek men ligger vanligtvis p? c:a 60m ://: The water runs down a vertical shaft and then into a 17km long pipeline, in the spring the flood also drags down alot of air, and several times an hour the air shoots back up to the opening, causing a man-made geyser. ________________________________ From: Jeff Cross To: "geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 4:18:32 PM Subject: [Geysers] Air Geyser in Sweden Here is a link to video of what one might call an "air geyser" in Sweden.? It looks very similar to the one circulated on this list 2 years ago from the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, that erupted from the middle of a highway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-ky4_SO0U&feature=related The video allows you to comprehend the eruption's size. Jeff Cross crossj at whitman.edu_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081208/80f38a98/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Tue Dec 9 19:55:38 2008 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:55:38 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Terra Cotta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c95a7b$2a5d3ac0$19e6fe04@MikeKeller> Been away from email for a while-hence the delay in answering this. There are 7 independent geysers in the Terra Cotta complex. They are "A", "B", "C", "D", "E", "F", and "J" (as Scott noted, these letters were applied by me towards the naming of the vents). In addition, there are another 9 vents that erupt with "A", "D", "E", and "J", depending on what is happening at the time. These vents are lettered up to "P". There are another 2 vents, "Q" and "R" that overflow, but I have never seen erupt nor have I found any evidence of them having erupted. "A" is the one that looks like Anemone, and erupts every 70-300 minutes. Eruptions last 5-9 minutes and reach up to 15 feet. Every so often it will pause around the 6-7 minute mark and then have a 2nd "burst" (much like Grand) a few seconds later that lasts about 40 seconds or so. "B" erupts in a series, gradually getting larger and larger, and reaches up to 10 feet. The eruptive series lasts about 30 minutes, and they come every 4-8 hours. "C" is the largest vent I have seen in the group. It is dormant most of the time, but when active it erupts every 8-20 minutes and can reach up to 25 feet. "D" is very rare (I have only seen 2 active cycles over the years), but when active erupts every few minutes up to about 5 feet. "E" varies from a cyclic fumarole to a geyser, depending on how recently "A" has erupted. Intervals are 12-20 minutes. For the first 30-45 minutes after "A" has erupted, all "E" does is pulse steam. Gradually the eruptions will start to include spray, then finally they will have true droplets of water to a few feet. "F" is more of an intermittent overflowing vent than a geyser, but sometimes it can splash to a foot or so. "F" is only active when both "A" and "B" have not erupted for at least an hour. "J" is located in the grass a few feet to the south of the main group. When "C" is active, "J" is very active, but I have also seen "J" erupt when "C" is dormant. Intervals vary from a few minutes to a few hours, and the eruptions reach about 4 feet. Someday I will find the time to sum this up in greater detail in a Transactions Article. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Cross Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:35 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Terra Cotta How many separate geysers are found in the Terra Cotta complex? Jeff Cross crossj at whitman.edu_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Tue Dec 9 20:12:31 2008 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:12:31 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Obscure Features at Norris In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c95a7d$86f36640$19e6fe04@MikeKeller> Amethyst Geyser was in 100 Spring Plain and was a perpetual spouter in the early to mid 1990s reaching as much as 8 feet in height. No idea about Wistful or Labial Geysers. Perpetual Geyser is probably the same as Perpetual Spouter, but I am not 100% sure on this. Fish Geyser and Acute Spouter were names given to a couple of vents in the flats by Feisty Geyser in the mid to late 1980's. As to which exact hole they are, or if they even still exist today, I don't know. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Cross Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:23 AM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Obscure Features at Norris I have been looking through some papers on Norris Geyser Basin, but I have been unable to place any of the following features on a map. Can anyone tell me where the following features are located? Amethyst Geyser Wistful Geyser Perpetual Geyser (is this the same as Perpetual Spouter, near Firecracker Spring?) Fish Geyser Labial Geyser Acute Spouter I appreciate your help, Jeff Cross crossj at whitman.edu_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From dmonteit at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 09:17:07 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:17:07 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser Message-ID: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? Dave From Carlton.Cross at wallawalla.edu Wed Dec 10 17:29:12 2008 From: Carlton.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Carlton Cross) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:29:12 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENT: Comcast Problem Message-ID: <1C41A84ADCED6E439EB3E7EDBCD3DF711175C89202@post3.skynet.local> For some reason, comcast.net has been blocking all mail from geysers apparently since December 3. You can access the missing postings at #/ If you don't remember your password, it can be found at the end of your welcome message. If you can't find your welcome message, you're out of luck until I remember how to have the system send you a password reminder. (I may have time a few hours from now.) Carlton Cross Moderator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081210/adb531b2/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Dec 10 17:49:12 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:49:12 EST Subject: [Geysers] Obscure Features at Norris Message-ID: Seems like I should know the location of Acute Geyser, but it slips me. In 1974 we had a Labial Geyser in Porcelain Basin, located somewhere between Constant-Arsenic and Fireball. I think. It was a small thing but erupted from a distinct vent that was somewhat elongated and surrounded by raised sinter, so that it looked like...... Scott Bryan In a message dated 12/7/2008 6:18:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu writes: Can anyone tell me where the following features are located? Amethyst Geyser Wistful Geyser Perpetual Geyser (is this the same as Perpetual Spouter, near Firecracker Spring?) Fish Geyser Labial Geyser Acute Spouter **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081210/803cc7ff/attachment.html> From Carlton.Cross at wallawalla.edu Wed Dec 10 21:53:08 2008 From: Carlton.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Carlton Cross) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:53:08 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR: Retrieving your password Message-ID: <1C41A84ADCED6E439EB3E7EDBCD3DF711175C89225@post3.skynet.local> It does appear that the Comcast problem is over. All wallawalla.edu addresses were being blocked. With all of the spam the flies around, this kind of thing happens every once in a while. >From what I can see, the Comcast addresses will be automatically restored and you will receive an email with your password included. At any time that you need to retrieve your password, here's what you do: mail to: geysers-requests at lists.wallawalla.edu subject: password For other questions about Mailman, here's a link: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html Carlton Cross Moderator From geyser at q.com Thu Dec 11 06:02:58 2008 From: geyser at q.com (Clark Murray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) Message-ID: I found a link to a great new Kamchatka webcam. http://www.wwf.ru/kamchatka/webcam Clark Murray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081211/bcf53935/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pocket.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 1604558 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20081211/bcf53935/attachment.bin> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 10:19:50 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:19:50 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map Message-ID: The question with these is whether old, inactive feature names should be retained on this map. An alternative perhaps is to have two maps, one cleaner with fewer names, and another with as many feature names as can fit. Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081211/4236b574/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UGB_legal_north.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 2736952 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20081211/4236b574/attachment.bin> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 10:23:37 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] UGB south map Message-ID: Here is the third map. Again, let me know if these are usable. Carolyn Loren P.S. We'll be doing a few downloads this afternoon, and I'll check Fan & Mortar for the first time since the 8th. _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081211/1269347d/attachment.html> From geyser1 at netzero.net Thu Dec 11 18:27:21 2008 From: geyser1 at netzero.net (geyser1 at netzero.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:27:21 GMT Subject: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) Message-ID: <20081211.192721.19206.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> I saw this the other day, but couldn't figure out how it works (for example, does it do real time like the Old Faithful web cam). Anyway, if someone can figure it out, please post the secrets. I guess my Russian is a little weak. -- Will Moats ************ I found a link to a great new Kamchatka webcam. http://www.wwf.ru/kamchatka/webcam Clark Murray ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8hZz4BwFBWZGlETwl7Y3vQBLfPJribARbu9WzJ7gFTvt7O6/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081212/824b9224/attachment.html> From david.schwarz at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 19:33:39 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:33:39 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd think that the amount of detail to include in the maps depends on the purpose and target audience. If the purpose is to maintain a record, then everything should be on it, linked, if possible, to copious information. On the other hand, If the target audience is visitors or prospective visitors, then show them the most prominent, visually interesting features, with informative but easily digestible descriptions. As far as showing features that are no longer active, there are several levels of "no longer active." Features that don't put out water anymore but still have an intact vent could very well reactivate at some point. Daisy's Thief, for example, has been quiet for decades, but it's still there. I'd be surprised if we've seen the last of it. Not that I'd put it on a tourist map, but on a reference map, absolutely. Features that have been so thoroughly buried that they can no longer be found probably still ought to go on a reference map, just because we've often seen that new features tend to break out at or near the site of a buried feature. The "Sput" geysers broke out near the site of North and East Triplets, for example. Phoenix Geyser broke out from the buried ruins of Gibbon Hill Geyser. Norris Pool, with its gaping, sinter-lined crater, is probably a spring that was buried long before recorded history that finally dug itself out. Bottom line, unless the water and energy have completely shifted elsewhere, an inactive feature is still there, even if its surface manifestations have been wiped out. Another reason to include inactive features is so that, in 20 or more years, we can match descriptions of an extinct feature to a location. That might not seem important for a relatively stable area like the Upper Basin, but at Norris, where features come and go from year to year and decade to decade, it'd be nice to have a way to match descriptions to locations, even for features that are long gone. ---------------- Comments on this map: Errors: "West Round Spring" is probably Turtle Geyser (The Round Spring Group is not on this map--it's to the south) The southernmost "Null" is East Sentinel Geyser Omissions (these features have dots but aren't labeled): The northernmost dot in the Chain Lakes is "Clasp" Geyser The dot just south of Culvert Geyser is "Persistent" Geyser Variable Spring is one of the dots southeast of Grotto the Giant Indicator Pool is the dot next to the trail just north of the spur to Giant Bijou Geyser is the dot overlapping Catfish Mastiff is one (or two?) of the dots east of a line from Giant to Catfish Pyramid Geyser is the lonely dot just northwest of Splendid Geyser (and apparently not in a thermal area?) Cyclops Spring is the isolated dot due west of Fan Geyser Finally, the dot west of where the two trails around Daisy meet *might *be Punch Bowl Spring Omissions (no dot): West Sentinel Geyser is across the river from East Sentinel, but doesn't seem to have been surveyed most of Biscuit Basin, and the Purple Pool area (northwest and southeast of the areas included on the map, respectively) David Schwarz On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, carolyn loren wrote: > The question with these is whether old, inactive feature names should be > retained on this map. An alternative perhaps is to have two maps, one > cleaner with fewer names, and another with as many feature names as can fit. > > Carolyn Loren > > ------------------------------ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail(R) > account. > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081211/6a6f5b86/attachment.html> From Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu Thu Dec 11 20:27:20 2008 From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Jeff Cross) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:27:20 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] maps, revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Carolyn, Regarding the maps, could I call you tomorrow (Friday)? Or, perhaps, early next week? Thank you, Jeff Cross jeff.cross at wallawalla.edu ________________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of carolyn loren [caroloren98 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:14 AM To: geyser listserve Subject: [Geysers] maps, revisited There are new versions of UGB and Pocket Basin maps for your comments and additions. Feature names at Pocket would be especially welcome. I'm forwarding these without looking at them myself as winter guide training is looming, and the mapmaker is moving to Samoa in January. Yes, Samoa. So time may be short to comment and integrate those comments, as I doubt another GIS person will be available for at least the rest of the winter. I'll attach Pocket here, and send separate messages with UGB north and south. Carolyn Loren ________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. Learn more about Windows Live From caros at xmission.com Thu Dec 11 21:43:52 2008 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:43:52 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4941FA18.8090704@xmission.com> Might the Old Road and Westside groups be gotten on this map? I like the idea of a map that is fairly complete in terms of features with current or recent (eg, Baby Daisy) (but maybe is now just a tiny hole in the ground or filled in completely) activity and a second with what has historically been active added. The first would be helpful in terms of navigation and just knowing what you're looking at: I still can't always judge from the maps in Scott's books, esp in the less well-traveled areas. But the historical stuff is also endlessly interesting. Karen carolyn loren wrote: > The question with these is whether old, inactive feature names should > be retained on this map. An alternative perhaps is to have two maps, > one cleaner with fewer names, and another with as many feature names > as can fit. > > Carolyn Loren > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your > Hotmail? account. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From twogazers at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 22:19:56 2008 From: twogazers at hotmail.com (Tom Kearney) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:19:56 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] UGB south map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you try to send this one again? It didn't come through. Got UGB north + Pocket Basin. Keep sending YNP news, too. Thanks Tom "Ffff..." From: caroloren98 at hotmail.comTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduDate: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:23:37 +0000Subject: [Geysers] UGB south map Here is the third map. Again, let me know if these are usable. Carolyn Loren P.S. We'll be doing a few downloads this afternoon, and I'll check Fan & Mortar for the first time since the 8th. You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. Learn more about Windows Live _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There?s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Dick Powell From jochapple at earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 07:44:52 2008 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (Janet Chapple) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:44:52 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] UGB south map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <520b2acf1f5f1203f6b45782f10e98be@earthlink.net> Carolyn--Please attach the map of UGB south! Janet Chapple ------ On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:23 AM, carolyn loren wrote: > Here is the third map.? Again, let me know if these are usable. > ? > Carolyn Loren > ? > P.S.? We'll be doing a few downloads this afternoon, and I'll check > Fan & Mortar for the first time since the 8th. > ? > > > You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. Learn more about > Windows Live _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1226 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20081212/24544e07/attachment.bin> From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Dec 12 08:39:25 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:39:25 EST Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map Message-ID: I'm sure everybody else also got only the Pocket Basin and UGB north maps. In any case, what if anything are we to do with them? Clearly, as they are, the maps are incomplete. The representation of thermal ground is inaccurate. I also feel that the method used in labeling the individual springs is awkward at best. And I feel that showing the springs with red dots all the same size regardless of the size and/or activity of the feature is questionable. Sometimes having a large-scale map can be handy, but if these are pretending to accurately identify things, then they are too large a scale. (Note: I have dots almost all the same size in my book, but my book doesn't pretend to be a "legal" representation). As for how many names ought to be on the maps -- all of them. If a name has been applied, then it should be noted. Scott Bryan In a message dated 12/11/2008 6:59:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, caroloren98 at hotmail.com writes: The question with these is whether old, inactive feature names should be retained on this map. An alternative perhaps is to have two maps, one cleaner with fewer names, and another with as many feature names as can fit. Carolyn Loren **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081212/3da83e56/attachment.html> From krmorby at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 05:12:05 2008 From: krmorby at comcast.net (Kent Morby) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:12:05 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map References: Message-ID: <7DF294F47CD14B4794911C08A36DBBD1@home> UHB North ends just south of the path that goes over to Daisy. It could use a lot more of the vents in the Giant complex labeled. ----- Original Message ----- From: carolyn loren To: geyser listserve Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map The question with these is whether old, inactive feature names should be retained on this map. An alternative perhaps is to have two maps, one cleaner with fewer names, and another with as many feature names as can fit. Carolyn Loren ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail? account. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081212/92d60dcb/attachment.html> From dkbrice at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Dec 12 10:06:01 2008 From: dkbrice at blueyonder.co.uk (Derek Brice) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:01 -0000 Subject: [Geysers] Streaming Cam References: <20081117122015.9370F770@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <495FCEE496A241589343AE8E19008E0C@athlon3200> Most of you can only experience the Old Faithfull streaming cam as a viewer. Here is a chance for you to operate a similar cam located in Montana. The controls are very similar to the ones myself and the rest of the team use to stear the Old Faithfull cam. http://cateye.msu.montana.edu/ Enjoy. Derek Brice From OTTS at byui.edu Fri Dec 12 12:40:12 2008 From: OTTS at byui.edu (Ott, Stephen) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:40:12 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: Rustic Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David Monteith Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM To: Geyser Reports Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? Dave _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From riozafiro at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 19:59:05 2008 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:05 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) In-Reply-To: <20081211.192721.19206.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081211.192721.19206.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: My Russian friend at work said it says it is just taking occasional snaps of that particular area of the valley. It does not work like the Yellowstone webcam and refresh all day long. She also said one tab means video, and the other tab is stills. Pat Snyder On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:27 PM, geyser1 at netzero.net wrote: > I saw this the other day, but couldn't figure out how it works (for > example, does it do real time like the Old Faithful web cam). > Anyway, if someone can figure it out, please post the secrets. I > guess my Russian is a little weak. > > -- Will Moats > > > ************ > > I found a link to a great new Kamchatka webcam. http://www.wwf.ru/kamchatka/webcam > > Clark Murray > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081212/e06e96f3/attachment.html> From greinstein at prodigy.net Fri Dec 12 21:17:47 2008 From: greinstein at prodigy.net (GARY EINSTEIN) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:17:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) In-Reply-To: <20081211.192721.19206.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <493601.19485.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Google translate version: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwf.ru%2Fkamchatka%2Fwebcam&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0= --- On Thu, 12/11/08, geyser1 at netzero.net wrote: From: geyser1 at netzero.net Subject: Re: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:27 PM I saw this the other day, but couldn't figure out how it works (for example, does it do real time like the Old Faithful web cam).? Anyway, if someone can figure it out, please post the secrets.? I guess my Russian is a little weak. -- Will Moats ************ I found a link to a great new Kamchatka webcam. http://www.wwf.ru/kamchatka/webcam ? Clark Murray ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081212/4fcad1c4/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Dec 13 09:08:24 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:08:24 EST Subject: [Geysers] Death Valley Message-ID: Since Lynn's latest article about the Hebgen Lake earthquake (Sput 22-6, December 2008) mentions the formation of Death Valley, I submit the following: Yes, the valley has, in part, formed by "dropping" along a fault (the Black Mountain Fault, aka Central Death Valley Fault). However, it is more due to regional extension that has opened a series of basin, of which Badwater Basin is just one. See the two small attachment figures (one is a tif but both are small in size). On the pull-apart diagram, the area of Badwater Basin is indicated by the pale orange arrows. Unfortunately, this diagram does not indicate other pull-apart basins, such as Mesquite Basin, Cottonball Basin, etc. this diagram also omits a number of faults that are important to the whole, highly-complex story. The W - E line on the pull apart diagram shows the approximate line of the cross section. Notice that rather than being "straight" normal faults, the dip-slip faults in the Death Valley region flatten with depth (sometimes called listric faults). Also, note that the greater part of regional fault movement has been strike-slip on the Southern and Northern DV Fault Zones, where the fault motion might be as great as 50 miles. And yes, it is active. I must also correct the fact that neither Badwater nor anyplace in DV is the lowest point in the Western Hemisphere. That used to be the belief but there is a Lago del Carbon in Argentina that is (I think, by recollection) at -344 feet. (Badwater is about 279 feet below sea level; North America's low points of 282 b.s.l are about 2 miles to the west of Badwater [and some people (but not the NPS) claim those spots to actually be at -289].) Finally and related to this -- I have had three people tell me their opinions that the car I had posted a few days ago is a Dodge, probably 1926. Thanks! Scott Bryan **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think another question should be whether current feature names that are not officially accepted names should be included on the map. Whether they are appropriate and should be included is another issue, but the inclusion of a not-yet-accepted name can move an inappropriate name along in the parlance to where it then gets accepted, and this is not necessarily the best way to do it. I would say that, for an NPS publication, only including officially accepted place names should be the rule. Let other place names be put through the correct protocol to either have them accepted (and they can then be added to future printings), or rejected (in which case they should properly have been left off). I realize that while pushing a name through the U. S. Board on Geographic Names is a more difficult protocol than trying to print a name in enough places so the USBGN will then have a much more difficult time rejecting it, the former seems to me the better way, and often the better way involves more work. Just one of the rabble, Leslie Quinn ----- Original Message ----- From: carolyn loren To: geyser listserve Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [Geysers] UGB north map The question with these is whether old, inactive feature names should be retained on this map. An alternative perhaps is to have two maps, one cleaner with fewer names, and another with as many feature names as can fit. Carolyn Loren ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail? account. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081213/d833db87/attachment.html> From billwarnock at wyellowstone.com Sat Dec 13 11:02:56 2008 From: billwarnock at wyellowstone.com (Bill Warnock) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:02:56 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) References: <20081211.192721.19206.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: The main picture that comes up on the site has two tabs at the top. The one on the right ending in "OTO" is PHOTO. The tab just to the left ending in "eo" is VIDEO. Click on the Video tab and you will see the latest 15-second videos recorded. It is not a live web cam like at O.F. You can click on the back button at the bottom of the video pages to go to previous months. Some pages at the WWF Russia site are convertable to English in the upper right hand corner, but not the Valley of Geysers page, unfortunately. ----- Original Message ----- From: geyser1 at netzero.net To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Kamchatka Webcam (Clark Murray) I saw this the other day, but couldn't figure out how it works (for example, does it do real time like the Old Faithful web cam). Anyway, if someone can figure it out, please post the secrets. I guess my Russian is a little weak. -- Will Moats ************ I found a link to a great new Kamchatka webcam. http://www.wwf.ru/kamchatka/webcam Clark Murray ____________________________________________________________ Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081213/11a01907/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 15:27:06 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:27:06 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 12/13 Message-ID: <0KBU00E4J958YJZ4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hard to see what was going on in the basin for most of the day on the webcam due to the snow but occasionally it cleared out. Here are a few cam times that might be useful for tomorrow: Beehive 1137 (Pat said it was at 0709 on Friday too so it was either two short intervals or one over 28h). Castle 1219ie H2O, Major Plate 1348ie Daisy 1303, 1517 - interval 2h14m Lion 0803, 0902 minor, 0911 OF 1h26m - 1h45m intervals Plume - too hard to tell with all the snow and steam. I thought I saw an interval of 56 minutes but I had trouble telling if Plume was erupting or not and never got to see another interval during the day. There was a nice big Plume at 1426 though. Maybe all this snow will enable a smooth opening on Monday. The park web site news page indicates there may be some restrictions because there was not enough snow. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! Stay warm, Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From dmonteit at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 17:56:04 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:56:04 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> No one has guessed correctly. So, a couple hints. The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. It is not seen every year. Dave On Friday 12 December 2008 12:40:12 Ott, Stephen wrote: > Rustic Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin > > -----Original Message----- > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David > Monteith > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM > To: Geyser Reports > Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser > > Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? > > > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From david.schwarz at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 18:06:12 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:12 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: It's hard to tell without more of the surrounding area, but it looks kind of like Pear Geyser. David Schwarz On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, David Monteith wrote: > > No one has guessed correctly. So, a couple hints. > > The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. > > It is not seen every year. > > Dave > > On Friday 12 December 2008 12:40:12 Ott, Stephen wrote: > > Rustic Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David > > Monteith > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM > > To: Geyser Reports > > Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser > > > > Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? > > > > > > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081213/32d3f652/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:08:07 2008 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:08:07 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: I am guessing Churn Geyser? Also, on Friday's Beehive time (12/12/08), I meant to let Graham know that was approximate, I have the exact time on my notepad at work but didn't bring it home with me. Indicator started before dawn, and Beehive was just after it got light. Pat Snyder On Dec 13, 2008, at 5:56 PM, David Monteith wrote: > > No one has guessed correctly. So, a couple hints. > > The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. > > It is not seen every year. > > Dave > From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:35:11 2008 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Death Valley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott--Thank you for the corrected information. With respect to the first item, I was using the example of Death Valley has having been formed by the dropping edge of a fault block and did not include the whole complex story. Tom and Genean: Would you print the portion of Scott's post dealing with the formation of Death Valley as a "Lettter to the Editor please." Although I used several sources, including USGS, University of Berkely, and other university resources to cross-reference the statement that movements had dropped Badwater to the lowest spot in the Western Hemisphere, I completely missed the information that Badwater is no longer considered the lowest point in the Western Hemisphere. Interestingly, even the Death Valley National Park website still includes the statement that Badwater Salt Flat is the lowest place in the western hemisphere on the hiking page on the website, although another page on the same site "Lowest Places on Earth" does show Laguna del Carbon in Argentina at -344 ft (-105m). Tom and Genean: I'll send a correction of the statement "Movements in the earth's crust have dropped Badwater in Death Valley to the lowest spot in the western Hemisphere" based on Scott's post to The Sput for inclusion in the February edition, probably using a table from the Death Valley nps website. I'll credit Scott with pointing out the error. Tom and Genean (and Joan Payne): I was going to make one of the articles in the series experiences from readers, etc. But since Jacque sent her experience directly to you, and only one other person has written me, I'll cancel that article and send you Joan Payne's story and you can print it in the February edition. Although it's a little early--Merry Christmas everyone. We (finally) had our first snowfall this weekend so it's actually beginning to look like Christmas here. Lynn Stephens From: TSBryan at aol.comDate: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:08:24 -0500To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduSubject: [Geysers] Death Valley Since Lynn's latest article about the Hebgen Lake earthquake (Sput 22-6, December 2008) mentions the formation of Death Valley, I submit the following: Yes, the valley has, in part, formed by "dropping" along a fault (the Black Mountain Fault, aka Central Death Valley Fault). However, it is more due to regional extension that has opened a series of basin, of which Badwater Basin is just one. See the two small attachment figures (one is a tif but both are small in size). On the pull-apart diagram, the area of Badwater Basin is indicated by the pale orange arrows. Unfortunately, this diagram does not indicate other pull-apart basins, such as Mesquite Basin, Cottonball Basin, etc. this diagram also omits a number of faults that are important to the whole, highly-complex story. The W - E line on the pull apart diagram shows the approximate line of the cross section. Notice that rather than being "straight" normal faults, the dip-slip faults in the Death Valley region flatten with depth (sometimes called listric faults). Also, note that the greater part of regional fault movement has been strike-slip on the Southern and Northern DV Fault Zones, where the fault motion might be as great as 50 miles. And yes, it is active. I must also correct the fact that neither Badwater nor anyplace in DV is the lowest point in the Western Hemisphere. That used to be the belief but there is a Lago del Carbon in Argentina that is (I think, by recollection) at -344 feet. (Badwater is about 279 feet below sea level; North America's low points of 282 b.s.l are about 2 miles to the west of Badwater [and some people (but not the NPS) claim those spots to actually be at -289].) Finally and related to this -- I have had three people tell me their opinions that the car I had posted a few days ago is a Dodge, probably 1926. Thanks! Scott Bryan Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081213/c88e8b82/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Dec 14 09:30:04 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:30:04 EST Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Basin Maps Message-ID: Udo -- see last paragraph please. OK, I'll be a real curmudgeon. My honest opinion is, that unless a lot (read A LOT) of reworking of these new maps is done, then they should not be used. Considering here only the UGB South map, some examples (only a few of the possibilities) of the errors: -- Where is Sawmill Geyser? The name is closer to a mystery red dot than it is to the red dot that presumably represents Sawmill. And I call that a "mystery red dot" because I'll contend that there is no spring (at least not one of any significance) at that location. -- And in that area, what happened to Scalloped? South Scalloped? the Terra Cotta complex? -- The trail(s) as shown are quite inaccurate. Like the jogs next to Sulphide and North Goggles (which is, by the way, North GoggleS). Gee, I wonder where Little Squirt is; right next to Beehive, apparently. -- At Belgian Pool, the trail appears to go across a spring or two, where interestingly there are four seemingly-unidentified dots. Little hardly-ever-noticed Lavender Pool (which is actually Lavender Spring, not Pool) is identified, fer cryin' out loud, but Beauty pool is not identified. -- Indeed, there isn't even a red dot anywhere between Vent Geyser and unidentified Beauty Pool. I quit at that. The maps need a whole lot of work. Now, how's this for curmudgeonly -- the USGS produced a whole series of accurate (surveyed) thermal maps. Once upon a time there were two or three complete sets in the OFVC prep room. I have a personal set given to me by Dr. D. E. White. GOSA makes copies of my set available (well, I think GOSA does so -- I see that they are not listed in the Store's insert in the December 2008 Sput -- Udo comment?). They are accurate (frankly, I believe in at least some cases more accurate that the more recent GPS efforts) and could be updated with great ease. AND THEY ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE!!! [Oh, yeah -- people in the "Spatial Analysis Center" need work. (Sorry) ] Scott Bryan **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081214/5db0c6d4/attachment.html> From gosastore at roadrunner.com Sun Dec 14 10:18:17 2008 From: gosastore at roadrunner.com (Udo Freund) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:18:17 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Basin Maps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49454DE9.8030604@roadrunner.com> The "Sput" insert no longer mentions these maps due to lack of sufficient space to describe them adequately. The insert mentions the GOSA Store website having many more items than can be shown in print. Coincidentally I scanned all of those maps plus USGS Geologic Investigative Series Maps of Upper (I-1371) & Lower (I-1373) Basins on Friday. All of them are available as paper copies on the GOSA Store pages and now also in digital form - on a CD-ROM in both jpg and pdf formats. Considering that GOSA paid to scan them (not a big sum) I was hoping that a few folks would be interested in purchasing them in order to recover costs. I asked the GOSA Board of Directors what, if anything else, GOSA might wish to do with them. I proposed an option to upload them either as-is or in reduced resolution versions to the GOSA website for free downloading. File sizes are not huge (unlike the 1904 Hague Atlas scans) so I think that server space and downloading would not be big issues. Don Might, our webmaster and donator of the website, has not yet responded as to feasibility of all this. Nor has the Board responded to my proposal so far. But I realize everyone is probably busy with the upcoming holiday season. I agree the GIS / GPS mapping efforts recently displayed here need help, so I will take it upon myself to provide a CD to Carolyn free of charge. It will be mailed tomorrow. BTW, the Store's pages show thumbnails of these maps. Not great images but you get an idea of what they are about. Happy Holidays or Bah, Humbug - your preference! Udo TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Udo -- see last paragraph please. > > OK, I'll be a real curmudgeon. My honest opinion is, that unless a lot > (read A LOT) of reworking of these new maps is done, then they should > not be used. Considering here only the UGB South map, some examples > (only a few of the possibilities) of the errors: > > -- Where is Sawmill Geyser? The name is closer to a mystery red dot > than it is to the red dot that presumably represents Sawmill. And I > call that a "mystery red dot" because I'll contend that there is no > spring (at least not one of any significance) at that location. > -- And in that area, what happened to Scalloped? South Scalloped? the > Terra Cotta complex? > > -- The trail(s) as shown are quite inaccurate. Like the jogs next to > Sulphide and North Goggles (which is, by the way, North GoggleS). Gee, > I wonder where Little Squirt is; right next to Beehive, apparently. > > -- At Belgian Pool, the trail appears to go across a spring or two, > where interestingly there are four seemingly-unidentified dots. > > Little hardly-ever-noticed Lavender Pool (which is actually Lavender > Spring, not Pool) is identified, fer cryin' out loud, but Beauty pool > is not identified. > > -- Indeed, there isn't even a red dot anywhere between Vent Geyser and > unidentified Beauty Pool. > > I quit at that. The maps need a whole lot of work. > > Now, how's this for curmudgeonly -- the USGS produced a whole series > of accurate (surveyed) thermal maps. Once upon a time there were two > or three complete sets in the OFVC prep room. I have a personal set > given to me by Dr. D. E. White. GOSA makes copies of my set available > (well, I think GOSA does so -- I see that they are not listed in the > Store's insert in the December 2008 Sput -- Udo comment?). They are > accurate (frankly, I believe in at least some cases more accurate that > the more recent GPS efforts) and could be updated with great ease. AND > THEY ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE!!! [Oh, yeah -- people in the "Spatial > Analysis Center" need work. (Sorry) ] > > Scott Bryan > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites > in one place. Try it now > . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081214/25f7b67f/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sun Dec 14 16:00:56 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:00:56 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 12/14 Message-ID: <0KBW0042S5DND551@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Just a few times from today since the cam was snowed over early in the day and it was a virtual white-out down basin. Castle 1500 Major Riverside 1527 (looked like it was coming from F&M vicinity but then the steam came more from the usual Riverside spot) Plume intervals of 1h29m and 1h22m OF intervals 1h35m and 1h32m Through the snow it looked like Beehive or Lion at ~0722 but it was hard to tell which was erupting since both cams were pretty icy then and OF had just erupted but there was a sustained strong vertical steam column there. I have no idea about Grand or Daisy today. Happy Winter Season! Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081214/390f4f0e/attachment.html> From dmonteit at comcast.net Sun Dec 14 17:07:18 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:07:18 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Thank You -- Sreaming Webcam Operator Message-ID: <200812141707.18529.dmonteit@comcast.net> Thank you to the streaming web cam operators. I particularly enjoyed the coverage of last Thursday's Beehive eruption. I appreciated that the operator showed the geysers at full height and then zoomed in to show the close-to-cone indicator, which started about a minute into Beehive's eruption. Thanks for your efforts -- Dave Now if we could just find a way to keep the camera from focussing at the ice in front of the lens. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2008-12-11_10:42_Beehive.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 159017 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20081214/b50bc1f6/attachment.jpg> From dmonteit at comcast.net Sun Dec 14 17:14:12 2008 From: dmonteit at comcast.net (David Monteith) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:14:12 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> One last hint. Many people watch this geyser from their car. Dave On Saturday 13 December 2008 18:06:12 David Schwarz wrote: > It's hard to tell without more of the surrounding area, but it looks > kind of like Pear Geyser. > > David Schwarz > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, David Monteith wrote: > > No one has guessed correctly. So, a couple hints. > > > > The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. > > > > It is not seen every year. > > > > Dave > > > > On Friday 12 December 2008 12:40:12 Ott, Stephen wrote: > > > Rustic Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David > > > Monteith > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM > > > To: Geyser Reports > > > Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser > > > > > > Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > From mikeg at math.jhu.edu Sun Dec 14 18:23:42 2008 From: mikeg at math.jhu.edu (Michael Goldberg) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:23:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: OK, now that a couple of my first guesses have been eliminated, I'll bite. Little Brother? -Michael Goldberg From ylwstonegirl98 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 18:42:43 2008 From: ylwstonegirl98 at yahoo.com (Kristine Branstetter) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:42:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: <140595.92757.qm@web63201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Rusty Geyser? ________________________________ From: David Monteith To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:14:12 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser One last hint.? Many people watch this geyser from their car. Dave On Saturday 13 December 2008 18:06:12 David Schwarz wrote: >? ? It's hard to tell without more of the surrounding area, but it looks > kind of like Pear Geyser. > > David Schwarz > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, David Monteith wrote: > > No one has guessed correctly.? So, a couple hints. > > > > The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. > > > > It is not seen every year. > > > > Dave > > > > On Friday 12 December 2008 12:40:12 Ott, Stephen wrote: > > > Rustic Geyser.? Heart Lake Geyser Basin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David > > > Monteith > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM > > > To: Geyser Reports > > > Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser > > > > > > Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081214/338cc82d/attachment.html> From ralpht at fuse.net Sun Dec 14 21:30:22 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:30:22 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net><200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mugwump? Ralph Taylor -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David Monteith Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:14 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser One last hint. Many people watch this geyser from their car. Dave On Saturday 13 December 2008 18:06:12 David Schwarz wrote: > It's hard to tell without more of the surrounding area, but it looks > kind of like Pear Geyser. > > David Schwarz > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, David Monteith wrote: > > No one has guessed correctly. So, a couple hints. > > > > The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. > > > > It is not seen every year. > > > > Dave > > > > On Friday 12 December 2008 12:40:12 Ott, Stephen wrote: > > > Rustic Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David > > > Monteith > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM > > > To: Geyser Reports > > > Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser > > > > > > Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From caros at xmission.com Sun Dec 14 21:45:48 2008 From: caros at xmission.com (Karen Webb) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:45:48 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812131756.04653.dmonteit@comcast.net> <200812141714.12966.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4945EF0C.60606@xmission.com> Three Crater, then? It's a little hard to tell if there's a big pool spreading off to the right, the shot is so tight, but the shape of the bursts look about right. BTW, this is a fun way of doing the guess the geyser quizzes that brighten up my winter blahs. Thanks! Karen David Monteith wrote: > One last hint. Many people watch this geyser from their car. > > Dave > > On Saturday 13 December 2008 18:06:12 David Schwarz wrote: > >> It's hard to tell without more of the surrounding area, but it looks >> kind of like Pear Geyser. >> >> David Schwarz >> >> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, David Monteith wrote: >> >>> No one has guessed correctly. So, a couple hints. >>> >>> The geyser is in the Upper Geyser Basin. >>> >>> It is not seen every year. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Friday 12 December 2008 12:40:12 Ott, Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> Rustic Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu >>>> [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of David >>>> Monteith >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:17 AM >>>> To: Geyser Reports >>>> Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser >>>> >>>> Can you name the geyser shown in the linked video? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Geysers mailing list >>>> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Geysers mailing list >>>> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Geysers mailing list >>> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >>> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > From triciamiller at tiscali.co.uk Sun Dec 14 23:38:59 2008 From: triciamiller at tiscali.co.uk (Tricia) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:38:59 -0000 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive December 14th Message-ID: <07BAD594F6E9456F9A2052E56270489B@Miller> Beehive's indicator was ie at 0828 and Beehive 0832 webcam. Tricia Miller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081215/890ffcf7/attachment.html> From rlpowell at indiana.edu Mon Dec 15 10:56:32 2008 From: rlpowell at indiana.edu (Powell, Richard L) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Guess The Geyser In-Reply-To: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> References: <200812100917.07191.dmonteit@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081215135632.z03zycqhw0s0g80w@webmail.iu.edu> Dave; Brother? Dick Powell From pollypanos at earthlink.net Mon Dec 15 16:26:10 2008 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:26:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 12/14 Message-ID: <27780445.1229387171046.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Dec 15 19:11:47 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:11:47 EST Subject: [Geysers] Marler Inventory Message-ID: The coordinates used in Marler's Inventory for locating thermal features were devised by the USGS for their post-15 earthquake mapping in the 1960s and early 1970s. the system consists of a grid of squares that measure 1000 feet east-west and 1000 feet north-south. The northermost tier of these squares is row "A", and these are numbered from west to east -- A1, A2, A3, etc. The next tier to the south is (logically, I trust) B, then C, etc. Within any one of these squares -- say for example H8, a thermal feature is located by measuring eastward, then southward from the northwest corner of the square. So, Daisy Geyser is located in grid square H8, 280 feet east and 55 feet south of the northwest corner of H8. I do not know -- does anybody ? -- just why the apparent origins were chosen where they were, since for example the Upper Basin's A1 is way up on the plateau northwest of Biscuit Basin. I'm sure the USGS had established survey points out there somewhere, but if any exist now, I don't know where they are. Anyhow, this was done for each of the geyser basins -- Upper, Midway, Lower, Norris, West Thumb, and Shoshone (they didn't do Heart Lake or Gibbon) -- as well as Mud Volcano and Mammoth. These grids are shown on the Thermal Maps just discussed on this list in the last couple of days. Scott Bryan ----------- In a message dated 12/15/2008 7:29:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jack.ashe at yahoo.com writes: Apologies if this has been discussed before. I am new to this list so I searched the archives 2 years but could not find a match for this issue. I have been reading Marler's Inventory (from early 70's) and he uses a unique method for defining the location of thermal features that may have been placed on an unpublished USGS map according to the introduction in the GOSA materials It seems that his inventory is more complete than the Research Coordination Network. Is there a method to convert his system to something more traditional (lat-long or UTM)? This would presumably be a spread sheet or a formula for making the conversion or at least a list of the reference points he used. Jacques Ashe Helena, Montana **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081215/429ddfac/attachment.html> From jack.ashe at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 05:17:27 2008 From: jack.ashe at yahoo.com (Jack Ashe) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:17:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Marler Inventory Message-ID: <243773.74323.qm@web59412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> >>Anyhow, this was done for each of the geyser basins -- Upper, Midway, Lower, Norris, West Thumb, and Shoshone (they didn't do Heart Lake or Gibbon) -- as well as Mud Volcano and Mammoth. These grids are shown on the Thermal Maps just discussed on this list in the last couple of days.<< I would very much appreciate if someone can forward those emails to me with the attachments or links with the maps or information about the primary sources that would have the maps. I found the probable emails in the archives from earlier in December, but the email?archive system appears to ?"scrub" the emails and removes files and HTML format. Thanks in advance. Jacques ? ________________________________ From: "TSBryan at aol.com" To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Marler Inventory The coordinates used in Marler's Inventory for locating thermal features were devised by the USGS for their post-15 earthquake mapping in the 1960s and early 1970s. the system consists of a grid of squares that measure 1000 feet east-west and 1000 feet north-south. The northermost tier of these squares is row "A", and these are numbered from west to east -- A1, A2, A3, etc.. The next tier to the south is (logically, I trust) B, then C, etc. Within any one of these squares -- say for example H8, a thermal feature is located by measuring eastward, then southward from the northwest corner of the square. So, Daisy Geyser is located in grid square H8, 280 feet east and 55 feet south of the northwest corner of H8. I do not know -- does anybody ? -- just why the apparent origins were chosen where they were, since for example the Upper Basin's?A1 is way up on the plateau northwest of Biscuit Basin. I'm sure the USGS had established survey points out there somewhere, but if any exist now, I don't know where they are. Anyhow, this was done for each of the geyser basins -- Upper, Midway, Lower, Norris, West Thumb, and Shoshone (they didn't do Heart Lake or Gibbon) -- as well as Mud Volcano and Mammoth. These grids are shown on the Thermal Maps just discussed on this list in the last couple of days. Scott Bryan ----------- In a message dated 12/15/2008 7:29:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jack.ashe at yahoo.com writes: Apologies if this has been discussed before. I am new to this list so I??searched the archives?2 years?but could not find a match for this issue. I have been reading Marler's Inventory? (from early 70's) and he uses a unique method for defining the location of thermal features that may have been placed on an unpublished USGS map according to the introduction?in the GOSA materials ?It seems that his inventory is more complete than the Research Coordination Network. ??Is there a method to convert his system to something more traditional? (lat-long or UTM)? This would presumably be a spread sheet or a formula for making the conversion or at least a list of the reference points he used. Jacques Ashe Helena, Montana ________________________________ Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081217/8aae3c29/attachment.html> From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 14:39:17 2008 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:39:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Message-ID: <960528.6047.qm@web39507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") { var YAHOO = {}; } YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {}; YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = true; YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = ["sensitive_news_terms"]; YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false; YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Lone Star"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = { "lw_1229553533_0": { "text": "Fountain Paint Pots", "extended": 0, "startchar": 1293, "endchar": 1311, "start": 1293, "end": 1311, "extendedFrom": "", "predictedCategory": "", "predictionProbability": "0", "weight": 0.54166, "relScore": 9.9375, "type": ["shortcuts:/us/tag/other/wiki"], "category": ["WIKI"], "wikiId": "Fountain_Paint_Pots", "relatedWikiIds": [], "relatedEntities": [], "showOnClick": [], "context": "to take people out to geyser basins with flashlights (probably Fountain Paint Pots and Black Sand Basin.) Karen Low Karen Low", "metaData": { "visible": "true" } } }; YAHOO.Shortcuts.headerID = "bd813045ff8f86effed3d4e0a95d09d7"; I saw Lone Star this morning at 1034.? ? The south bound snowcoaches did ski drops for employees, because tonight will be the first for guests at the Snowlodge, so there weren't any visitors southbound.? So I got dropped at Kepler (everyone else went to go do Spring Creek and Divide trails) and skied in.? I only had to wait about 15 minutes for?Lone Star?to erupt.? When I got back to the village, I stopped by the VC to tell Katy the eruption time, then headed over to Snowlodge.? Snowlodge was in Fire Alarm, so I couldn't go in.? While we were all waiting outside, Jay, a guide who drives out of West Yellowstone, came over and told us that Beehive Indicator was going.? So I skied over to where I could get a view of Beehive, but? I don't have a beginning time.? (I'd guess that one of you who spends their day glued to the webcam has a start time.) ? One of these days I'll get out in the main basin.? But tonight, I have a Steam, Stars and Soundscapes tour, so I get to take people out to geyser basins with flashlights (probably Fountain Paint Pots and Black Sand Basin.) ? Karen Low -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081217/01adbcde/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 17 12:50:40 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:50:40 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Basin Maps In-Reply-To: <49454DE9.8030604@roadrunner.com> References: <49454DE9.8030604@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Thank you for that idea. Just so everyone knows, the work that's been done has been on an as-time-allows, sometimes volunteer basis. I also apologize for sending them out without checking them first; I've been busy with family things during the break. I'll now read through the comments and send them on, considering the other maps could be the preferred alternative. Carolyn Loren Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:18:17 -0800From: gosastore at roadrunner.comTo: TSBryan at aol.comCC: caroloren98 at hotmail.com; geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduSubject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Basin MapsThe "Sput" insert no longer mentions these maps due to lack of sufficient space to describe them adequately. The insert mentions the GOSA Store website having many more items than can be shown in print. Coincidentally I scanned all of those maps plus USGS Geologic Investigative Series Maps of Upper (I-1371) & Lower (I-1373) Basins on Friday. All of them are available as paper copies on the GOSA Store pages and now also in digital form - on a CD-ROM in both jpg and pdf formats. Considering that GOSA paid to scan them (not a big sum) I was hoping that a few folks would be interested in purchasing them in order to recover costs. I asked the GOSA Board of Directors what, if anything else, GOSA might wish to do with them. I proposed an option to upload them either as-is or in reduced resolution versions to the GOSA website for free downloading. File sizes are not huge (unlike the 1904 Hague Atlas scans) so I think that server space and downloading would not be big issues. Don Might, our webmaster and donator of the website, has not yet responded as to feasibility of all this. Nor has the Board responded to my proposal so far. But I realize everyone is probably busy with the upcoming holiday season.I agree the GIS / GPS mapping efforts recently displayed here need help, so I will take it upon myself to provide a CD to Carolyn free of charge. It will be mailed tomorrow.BTW, the Store's pages show thumbnails of these maps. Not great images but you get an idea of what they are about.Happy Holidays or Bah, Humbug - your preference!UdoTSBryan at aol.com wrote: Udo -- see last paragraph please. OK, I'll be a real curmudgeon. My honest opinion is, that unless a lot (read A LOT) of reworking of these new maps is done, then they should not be used. Considering here only the UGB South map, some examples (only a few of the possibilities) of the errors: -- Where is Sawmill Geyser? The name is closer to a mystery red dot than it is to the red dot that presumably represents Sawmill. And I call that a "mystery red dot" because I'll contend that there is no spring (at least not one of any significance) at that location. -- And in that area, what happened to Scalloped? South Scalloped? the Terra Cotta complex? -- The trail(s) as shown are quite inaccurate. Like the jogs next to Sulphide and North Goggles (which is, by the way, North GoggleS). Gee, I wonder where Little Squirt is; right next to Beehive, apparently. -- At Belgian Pool, the trail appears to go across a spring or two, where interestingly there are four seemingly-unidentified dots. Little hardly-ever-noticed Lavender Pool (which is actually Lavender Spring, not Pool) is identified, fer cryin' out loud, but Beauty pool is not identified. -- Indeed, there isn't even a red dot anywhere between Vent Geyser and unidentified Beauty Pool. I quit at that. The maps need a whole lot of work. Now, how's this for curmudgeonly -- the USGS produced a whole series of accurate (surveyed) thermal maps. Once upon a time there were two or three complete sets in the OFVC prep room. I have a personal set given to me by Dr. D. E. White. GOSA makes copies of my set available (well, I think GOSA does so -- I see that they are not listed in the Store's insert in the December 2008 Sput -- Udo comment?). They are accurate (frankly, I believe in at least some cases more accurate that the more recent GPS efforts) and could be updated with great ease. AND THEY ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE!!! [Oh, yeah -- people in the "Spatial Analysis Center" need work. (Sorry) ] Scott Bryan Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081217/77d78c7d/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 17 13:08:17 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:08:17 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] 12/17 Message-ID: Because of our tiny staff this year (3 instead of 4, including Katy Duffy), we have only one day a week, Friday, when we can go out in the basin and predict geysers as part of our work schedule. So I'm going to try skiing to the basin and then on to work. This morning I saw Castle i.e. steam at 0805, and downloaded Grand. I'm pretty sure I could see Grand on the webcam at 0956 i.e., and based on recent downloads will try 8 hours as a predication interval, as we've had several 6 hour intervals lately. Some of you may have seen Beehive's Indicator at 1231, and Beehive at 1243 on the webcam. Lion was 1301 w.c., and Plume has been closer to an hour today at 1001, 1102 and 1207 w.c. Lone Star was reported at 1034 also. Also because of short staffing, we now have a laptop at the front desk, complete with chair, and I'll try to report more often from up front. In other news, the new Visitor Center is nearly enclosed, and work will continue this winter. The west side still has insufficient snow for grooming the road, so only mattracks are coming in from there for the moment. Snowmobiles will start coming in from the south tomorrow. There were fresh wolf tracks at Biscuit Friday (before the big storm), and a bobcat was seen crossing the road near Biscuit a few days before that. 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Here is the correct address: mail to: geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu subject: password You can also obtain more information as follows: mail to: geysers-request at lists.wallawalla.edu subject: help Carlton Cross Moderator From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 21:43:06 2008 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:43:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Avoca Spring Message-ID: <974834.66101.qm@web39502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Avoca Spring at Biscuit Basin has changed its behavior since fall.? For those who didn't see it this summer, the fissure on the right had been erupting in a wall of water about every two minutes, and the left pool water level was way down. ? Tonight, the left pool had water to about a foot down from the rim, and that side was splashing slightly.? The fissure to the right was quiet. ? Other activity at Biscuit Basin: Jewel was active, Shell Spring was active, Mustard Spring was active ? I'll make more detailed observations when I have a tour there in daylight, or ski out there on my next day off. ? Karen Low ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081217/6aa6677d/attachment.html> From ralpht at fuse.net Wed Dec 17 22:18:52 2008 From: ralpht at fuse.net (Ralph Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:18:52 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... In-Reply-To: <0KC100427QY0U5Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KC100427QY0U5Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4C448739EC21496D8AB2B9DB890CC086@MyNewLaptop> Morning's Thief? Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Graham Meech Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:35 PM To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Since Dave kicked off the winter mystery season with a video, I thought it was time to start the mystery pictures. So here goes with my first one..can you identify it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081218/5a68c70a/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Thu Dec 18 08:53:33 2008 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (stepheneide at cableone.net) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:53:33 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Message-ID: <1182.1229619213@cableone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081218/18d84276/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 11:55:54 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:55:54 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] 12/18 Message-ID: Castle major now, started 1235, thanks to David Goldberg out there skiing Grand 0952 on the webcam, Riverside 1001 Beehive's boardwalk was a major ice skating rink this morning, so we may be out of luck today... Snowmobiles are coming in via the south entrance today, and snow's forecast for tomorrow, Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081218/602bf802/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:26:04 2008 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:26:04 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... In-Reply-To: <0KC100427QY0U5Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KC100427QY0U5Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Cliff Geyser? Tara Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:34:40 -0500 From: meechg at verizon.net To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Since Dave kicked off the winter mystery season with a video, I thought it was time to start the mystery pictures. So here goes with my first one??can you identify it? _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081218/11be2842/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Thu Dec 18 17:47:53 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:47:53 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0KC300C56OXZB9H0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Tara is correct, #1 is a nice big burst from Cliff. It's also one of the few pictures I took this year thinking it would be a good mystery geyser selection. Here's another one (#2). I like the way the droplets look in this shot..which geyser is it? _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Cliff Geyser? Tara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081218/0c3dfda0/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sunday I'll move the danger sign to take its place to know something of future activity. The signs were last checked by us on the 11th. All other platform signs were in place. There was a big steam cloud yesterday morning visible in the sun shortly after 8, but I was downloading Grand then and it looked like Grotto to me. The sinter boardwalk-side of Fan & Mortar was also completely snow-covered this morning. I dug through it to place a new marker, why I don't know. The storm made the difference so that snowmobiles and Bombardiers can now come in from West. The only winter road with restrictions is Mammoth to Norris as of mid-morning. Castle's having many minors, sometimes in a row. Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081219/6d246fe1/attachment.html> From david.schwarz at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 16:58:11 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:58:11 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 In-Reply-To: <0KC300C56OXZB9H0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KC300C56OXZB9H0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Yellow Funnel Spring? David Schwarz On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Graham Meech wrote: > Tara is correct, #1 is a nice big burst from Cliff. It's also one of the > few pictures I took this year thinking it would be a good mystery geyser > selection. > > > > Here's another one (#2). I like the way the droplets look in this > shot??which geyser is it? > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto: > geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Tara Cross > *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM > *To:* geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > *Subject:* RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... > > > > Cliff Geyser? > > Tara > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081219/7942c89a/attachment.html> From anglgrlsnt at aol.com Fri Dec 19 17:26:17 2008 From: anglgrlsnt at aol.com (anglgrlsnt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 In-Reply-To: <0KC300C56OXZB9H0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8CB305916CC6112-A0C-E87@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com> #2? Rusty???????????? Rich G -----Original Message----- From: Graham Meech To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' Sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 6:47 pm Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 Tara is correct, #1 is a nice big burst from Cliff.? It?s also one of the few pictures I took this year thinking it would be a good mystery geyser selection. ? Here?s another one (#2).? I like the way the droplets look in this shot??which geyser is it? ? From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... ? Cliff Geyser? Tara _______________________________________________ eysers mailing list eysers at lists.wallawalla.edu ttps://lists.wallawalla.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers [Image Removed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara CrossSent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PMTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduSubject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Cliff Geyser?Tara _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081219/872a49e1/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Dec 19 18:25:43 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:25:43 EST Subject: [Geysers] Graham's Mystery Geyser #2 Message-ID: OK, my first guess will be Forgotten Fumarole. Scott Bryan In a message dated 12/19/2008 5:56:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, meechg at verizon.net writes: Here?s another one (#2). I like the way the droplets look in this shot?? which geyser is it? **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081219/72f2e5b3/attachment.html> From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Sat Dec 20 04:59:49 2008 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:59:49 EST Subject: [Geysers] 12/19 report Message-ID: Good morning everyone, Yesterday Doug's tour did catch Fountain near start at 13:16. It's beginning to pick today, as we will have 3 coaches in, to hopefully the geyser reports will get better with more of us out there. On a side note, Yellowstone is opening to snowmobiles this morning. Jim Holstein Yellowstone Tour Guides **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081220/cf079494/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:07:39 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:07:39 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] no Giant, sorry Message-ID: I missed the sign in the blowing snow yesterday; in the frigid sunshine Megan just reported it's in place, so no recent Giant. Sorry! Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I like the way the droplets look in this shot..which geyser is it? _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Cliff Geyser? Tara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081220/21a788c1/attachment.html> From gosastore at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 20 10:36:40 2008 From: gosastore at roadrunner.com (Udo Freund) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:36:40 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails Message-ID: <494D3B38.7080301@roadrunner.com> The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article in today's edition about rules changing for mountain bikes on trails. URL: http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt Comments anyone? I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a bad mix and resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers and trail bikers are almost as bad a mix. Perhaps signed written waivers should be required. 2) Keeping bikes on trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated roads. There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they want. Of course they wouldn't care about any damage they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility (liability again) for that. 3) Bikes do carve ruts in trails so who will be financially and physically responsible for trail upkeep? As I understand things, there are limited resources for hiking trails, which probably require less maintenance. Udo From meechg at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 16:41:21 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:41:21 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam times 12/20 Message-ID: <0KC700IAOB8TC134@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Here are a few webcam times from 12/20. Given the snow it was not always easy for me to see what was going on. Beehive was very splashy and steamy but did not erupt before dark. Plume 0929, 1417, 1631 - hard to catch the eruptions to know what the intervals were but if the last one was a double interval it would have been an average of 67min intervals Daisy 1203, 1432, 1656 - 2h29m and 2h24m intervals Grand 1404 looked like 2 bursts through the snow Lion 1342 Initial, 1504, series of just 2 I saw Riverside and probably Oblong but didn't write them down. Sorry about that. Nice to see the snow is building up. Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081220/50fabc21/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 21 09:55:22 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:55:22 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar 0907 12/21! Message-ID: Fan 0907, Mortar joining in 0909. Mortar in strong pulsing steam by 0915. Less frequent but strong steam pulses from Mortar, intermittent water still from Fan, by 0930. I got lucky. I was trying to grease pen a 1415 prediction for Riverside (hard to do when it's below zero) when I saw quite a bit of steam behind the trees. Plenty of steam when I got it in sight, but I figured I was seeing the end. Then I saw the beginning. Ski grooming is happening from the lower store to Morning Glory, and groomer Franklin caught about half the eruption too, his first. Oh yeah, Grand 0830 i.e. (0825e), watch for Castle around 1315, and maybe Daisy then too. Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/833c7ea1/attachment.html> From meechg at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 18:10:08 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #2 and new #3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0KC700GY5FCSUFQ1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Chris and David Schwarz were both correct, #2 is Yellow Funnel Spring. It was a very dirty brown color and had more water in it in September than I had seen before. And now for something completely different, just sky and water for Mystery #3 which you might find really easy . or not. _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Daubert Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:27 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 Yellow Funnel Spring. Chris Daubert _____ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:47:53 -0500 From: meechg at verizon.net Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Tara is correct, #1 is a nice big burst from Cliff. It's also one of the few pictures I took this year thinking it would be a good mystery geyser selection. Here's another one (#2). I like the way the droplets look in this shot..which geyser is it? _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Cliff Geyser? Tara _____ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail R account. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still vividly remember being out at Lone Star and seeing an adolescent male using the cone of Sputtering Mound geyser for a bike jump... This is a really bad idea. I hope it never happens. Jeff Cross jeff.cross at wallawalla.edu ________________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Udo Freund [gosastore at roadrunner.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:36 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article in today's edition about rules changing for mountain bikes on trails. URL: http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt Comments anyone? I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a bad mix and resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers and trail bikers are almost as bad a mix. Perhaps signed written waivers should be required. 2) Keeping bikes on trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated roads. There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they want. Of course they wouldn't care about any damage they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility (liability again) for that. 3) Bikes do carve ruts in trails so who will be financially and physically responsible for trail upkeep? As I understand things, there are limited resources for hiking trails, which probably require less maintenance. Udo _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Sun Dec 21 05:34:15 2008 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:34:15 EST Subject: [Geysers] 12/20 report Message-ID: Yesterday we have Great Fountain @ 10:33 ie. I'll be back in today. Jim YTG **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/b3774a14/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 11:04:04 2008 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:04:04 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar 0907 12/21! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4623F30D-933E-40D8-AC03-F95B2ABEF3BA@gmail.com> Congratulations, Carolyn! Thanks for the report! You deserve it for being out there with a grease pencil in zero temperatures!!! Nice to hear that Fan & Mortar is remaining active, too. Pat Snyder On Dec 21, 2008, at 9:55 AM, carolyn loren wrote: > Fan 0907, Mortar joining in 0909. Mortar in strong pulsing steam by > 0915. Less frequent but strong steam pulses from Mortar, > intermittent water still from Fan, by 0930. > > I got lucky. I was trying to grease pen a 1415 prediction for > Riverside (hard to do when it's below zero) when I saw quite a bit > of steam behind the trees. Plenty of steam when I got it in sight, > but I figured I was seeing the end. Then I saw the beginning. > > Ski grooming is happening from the lower store to Morning Glory, and > groomer Franklin caught about half the eruption too, his first. > > Oh yeah, Grand 0830 i.e. (0825e), watch for Castle around 1315, and > maybe Daisy then too. > > Carolyn Loren > > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail? account > now._______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/5056ca17/attachment.html> From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 12:39:21 2008 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:39:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails In-Reply-To: <494D3B38.7080301@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <899633.12743.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My feelings exactly. Bikes on narrow fotopaths, anything less than fairly wide dirt roads really, do nothing to foster either preservation or appreciation of nature, open the door to damage both incidental and unintentional, and tend to make life riskier for those who choose to take their nature study at a pace that permits greater detail. I am cyclist and make no mistake - I am thankful that we can get a headstart on trails to places like Shoshone Geyser Basin and Osprey Falls - but that is not an excuse to create miles of new trails to chew up pristine lands or widen wilderness pathways into vehicular freeways. Not only for Yellowstoen, but for all parks and wilderness areas. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Udo Freund wrote: > From: Udo Freund > Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:36 AM > The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article > in today's edition about rules changing for mountain > bikes on trails. URL: > http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt > Comments anyone? > > I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a > bad mix and resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers > and trail bikers are almost as bad a mix. Perhaps signed > written waivers should be required. 2) Keeping bikes on > trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated roads. > There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they > want. Of course they wouldn't care about any damage > they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility > (liability again) for that. 3) Bikes do carve ruts in > trails so who will be financially and physically responsible > for trail upkeep? As I understand things, there are limited > resources for hiking trails, which probably require less > maintenance. > > Udo > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From janet.johns5 at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 19:59:44 2008 From: janet.johns5 at verizon.net (Jan and Lew) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:59:44 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails References: <494D3B38.7080301@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <5CC130688A9A46F3A633E0C5EBD02CF8@Grotto> I could finally make it out to Shoshone, bad foot and all---wow. We've biked many trails in many states. Al l of the bike trails we've been on are also hiking trails and generally speaking hikers and bikers are fine together. Bears....well....I don't want to meet one walking or on a bike. Groups and noise are the best policy same as always. The ruts are because the trail isn't being properly maintained for either bikes or hikers. A well maintained trail does not have ruts. That is an issue that should be addressed and would make a better trail for both. As for off trail biking...yep a problem...so is off trail everything. A risk to both the rider and the features if not properly informed and fined. Jan Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Udo Freund" To: "Geyser Observation Reports" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails > The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article in today's > edition about rules changing for mountain bikes on trails. URL: > http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt > Comments anyone? > > I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a bad mix and > resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers and trail bikers are almost > as bad a mix. Perhaps signed written waivers should be required. 2) > Keeping bikes on trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated > roads. There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they want. > Of course they wouldn't care about any damage they cause nor would they > want to accept responsibility (liability again) for that. 3) Bikes do > carve ruts in trails so who will be financially and physically responsible > for trail upkeep? As I understand things, there are limited resources for > hiking trails, which probably require less maintenance. > > Udo > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From washpark at xmission.com Sun Dec 21 08:05:08 2008 From: washpark at xmission.com (Washington) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:05:08 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails In-Reply-To: <494D3B38.7080301@roadrunner.com> References: <494D3B38.7080301@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <494E6934.7010506@xmission.com> We mountain bike all of the time in the mountains and have spent 16 years in Yellowstone (and I grew up in Livingston). 1 We have hiked in Yellowstone for all 16 years and once off the road by about 3 blocks, hikers are very few and far between. We bike the mountains of Utah all of the time and liability has never been an issue. It's only a bad mix in the "main" areas where there are many walkers - the trail between the Inn and Morning Glory Pool comes to mind, not the backcountry. 2 There will always be a few idiot hikers who bushwack wherever they want, too, and Andy and I have seen them. 3 Bikes do carve ruts but usually only in the spring or sometimes after a major rainstorm. Most mountain bikers are pretty responsible now and understand that and don't use the trails at that time. And bear bells can be attached to bicycles just like many of us use some sort of horn to warn of our approach. 4 Mountain bikers volunteer many, many hours repairing trails all over the nation. 5 In the big scheme of things, there won't be very many people who bring mountain bikes with them on vacation. 6 It would be wonderful to access more of Yellowstone one bikes. And, this rule isn't specifically for just Yellowstone but for other parks, too. Jane Washington Udo Freund wrote: > The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article in today's > edition about rules changing for mountain bikes on trails. URL: > http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt > > Comments anyone? > > I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a bad mix and > resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers and trail bikers are > almost as bad a mix. Perhaps signed written waivers should be > required. 2) Keeping bikes on trails is similar to keeping vehicles > on designated roads. There will always be a few idiots who will go > anywhere they want. Of course they wouldn't care about any damage > they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility (liability > again) for that. 3) Bikes do carve ruts in trails so who will be > financially and physically responsible for trail upkeep? As I > understand things, there are limited resources for hiking trails, > which probably require less maintenance. > > Udo > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 21 15:15:51 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:15:51 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] other things on Solstice Message-ID: Castle 1504 i.e. Lone Star 1135 i.e. Webcam times: Beehive 1406 i.e. Lion 1506 i.e. And thanks for those webcam times you've reported; they're very helpful! I'll be off a couple days, but when working will check when I can for recent sightings. Carolyn Loren And it looks like Grand is erupting now, 1610 i.e. _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/8f88b61e/attachment.html> From sgryc at comcast.net Sun Dec 21 18:29:41 2008 From: sgryc at comcast.net (sgryc at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Carol for 2008 In-Reply-To: <0KC100427QY0U5Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <660241083.412161229912981691.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Dear All, Yes, here is yet another seasonal tune that I have ripped off to add gazer-appropriate words. This is something that I have been doing every year since posting "I'm Dreaming of a Mastiff Function" back in 1997. Some dyspeptic critics find my poetry wanting, but others are so starved for geyser-related activities that they belt out these songs unmindful of their strained rhymes. To the latter I send the following geyser carol along with my best wishes for a great year of geyser gazing in 2009. Steve Gryc Silver Globes (to the tune of ?Silver Bells?) Silver Globes, Silver Globes, It?s gazing time in the basin. Pool and Cave, please behave, Soon it will be closing day. Basin boardwalks, busy boardwalks, Round with sinter all white In the air there?s the sweet smell of brimstone. Tourists shouting, gazers pouting >From the dawn to the night As they stare all day waiting to see, Silver Globes, Silver Globes, It?s gazing time in the basin. Slit and Twin, please begin, Soon it will be closing day. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bikes move much faster than people or horses and can surprise bears that would ordinarily be out of the way by the time hikers or equestrians reached a given spot. Rangers on mountain bikes might be a good thing for? improving patrols in the backcountry.? My biggest problem is that it was proposed by the Bush Administration, largely?at?behest?of W. and his use of mountain bikes. Another Republican act of self interest. Jack ________________________________ From: Bruce Jensen To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:39:21 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails My feelings exactly.? Bikes on narrow fotopaths, anything less than fairly wide dirt roads really, do nothing to foster either preservation or appreciation of nature, open the door to damage both incidental and unintentional, and tend to make life riskier for those who choose to take their nature study at a pace that permits greater detail. I am cyclist and make no mistake - I am thankful that we can get a headstart on trails to places like Shoshone Geyser Basin and Osprey Falls - but that is not an excuse to create miles of new trails to chew up pristine lands or widen wilderness pathways into vehicular freeways. Not only for Yellowstoen, but for all parks and wilderness areas. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Udo Freund wrote: > From: Udo Freund > Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:36 AM > The Billings Gaz-bag? ... err, Gazette ...? has an article > in today's edition about rules changing for mountain > bikes on trails.? URL: > http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt > Comments anyone? > > I offer a few of my own.? 1) Bikes in bear country are a > bad mix and resultant liability will be an issue.? Hikers > and trail bikers are almost as bad a mix.? Perhaps signed > written waivers should be required.? 2) Keeping bikes on > trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated roads. > There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they > want.? Of course they wouldn't care about any damage > they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility > (liability again) for that.? 3) Bikes do carve ruts in > trails so who will be financially and physically responsible > for trail upkeep?? As I understand things, there are limited > resources for hiking trails, which probably require less > maintenance. > > Udo > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/d5cb4e21/attachment.html> From conanvandt at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 19:53:05 2008 From: conanvandt at yahoo.com (Eric Hatfield) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:53:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails Message-ID: <723675.2551.qm@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree that bikes should not be allowed in the backcountry. I think that bikes in Yellowstone should be allowed on paths that were recently roads (which are many, and make for boring and dusty drudgery rather than?wilderness hikes.)? The road in the upper basin, the (old) road to Osprey Falls, the road behind Midway that continues to Ojo Caliente (though I'm not sure this allows bikes, in fact I think it doesn't, though it should.) On the other hand, you shouldn't be able to bike to Spray, or Artist Paint Pot, or Shoshone.? We all know how well the average tourist mob obeys the rules on foot (entire bus loads at once occasionally walking into the runoff at Excelsior.)? Imagine that same bus load with their rented bikes up White Creek, or just the average couple of slightly more adventurous than average tourists riding up to peer into Skeleton Pool....... Bikes can be handled well, but definitely have an increased impact over travel on foot--no reasonable counterargument.? They will also increase access to the backcountry.? This has pluses and minuses.? But from the point of view of preservation of the features, its all minuses. I would like to be able to ride a bike halfway back to Glen Africa (on a closed road), but know I don't want to see one on Minute Man's cone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/e02a32b5/attachment.html> From washpark at xmission.com Sun Dec 21 21:04:47 2008 From: washpark at xmission.com (Washington) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails In-Reply-To: <899633.12743.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <899633.12743.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494F1FEF.2080004@xmission.com> We're now making miles of new trails? I didn't get that impression at all. Most mountain bike trails are one bike width ... much narrower than hiking/walking trails usually are. We're not making new trails, anyway, just allowing responsible use of the existing back country trails. It is so rare to see anyone more than 3 blocks from a main road...this is a nation of drivers, not hikers. Jane Washington Bruce Jensen wrote: > My feelings exactly. Bikes on narrow fotopaths, anything less than fairly wide dirt roads really, do nothing to foster either preservation or appreciation of nature, open the door to damage both incidental and unintentional, and tend to make life riskier for those who choose to take their nature study at a pace that permits greater detail. > > I am cyclist and make no mistake - I am thankful that we can get a headstart on trails to places like Shoshone Geyser Basin and Osprey Falls - but that is not an excuse to create miles of new trails to chew up pristine lands or widen wilderness pathways into vehicular freeways. > > Not only for Yellowstoen, but for all parks and wilderness areas. > > Bruce Jensen > > ************** > "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" > -Anatole France > > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Udo Freund wrote: > > >> From: Udo Freund >> Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails >> To: "Geyser Observation Reports" >> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:36 AM >> The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article >> in today's edition about rules changing for mountain >> bikes on trails. URL: >> http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt >> Comments anyone? >> >> I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a >> bad mix and resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers >> and trail bikers are almost as bad a mix. Perhaps signed >> written waivers should be required. 2) Keeping bikes on >> trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated roads. >> There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they >> want. Of course they wouldn't care about any damage >> they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility >> (liability again) for that. 3) Bikes do carve ruts in >> trails so who will be financially and physically responsible >> for trail upkeep? As I understand things, there are limited >> resources for hiking trails, which probably require less >> maintenance. >> >> Udo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081221/35959968/attachment.html> From janet.johns5 at verizon.net Mon Dec 22 17:07:40 2008 From: janet.johns5 at verizon.net (Jan and Lew) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:07:40 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Carol for 2008 References: <660241083.412161229912981691.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <50495693050E46D4A011921DCAF299E6@Grotto> Thank you Steve...I am a big fan of your songs (as you know)...I just sang this at our family get together! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: sgryc at comcast.net To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Carol for 2008 Dear All, Yes, here is yet another seasonal tune that I have ripped off to add gazer-appropriate words. This is something that I have been doing every year since posting "I'm Dreaming of a Mastiff Function" back in 1997. Some dyspeptic critics find my poetry wanting, but others are so starved for geyser-related activities that they belt out these songs unmindful of their strained rhymes. To the latter I send the following geyser carol along with my best wishes for a great year of geyser gazing in 2009. Steve Gryc Silver Globes (to the tune of ?Silver Bells?) Silver Globes, Silver Globes, It?s gazing time in the basin. Pool and Cave, please behave, Soon it will be closing day. Basin boardwalks, busy boardwalks, Round with sinter all white In the air there?s the sweet smell of brimstone. Tourists shouting, gazers pouting >From the dawn to the night As they stare all day waiting to see, Silver Globes, Silver Globes, It?s gazing time in the basin. Slit and Twin, please begin, Soon it will be closing day. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081222/bce841ba/attachment.html> From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 18:35:59 2008 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails In-Reply-To: <494F1FEF.2080004@xmission.com> Message-ID: <959533.51053.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Washington wrote: > From: Washington > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:04 PM > We're now making miles of new trails? I didn't get > that impression at > all. More than once, I have read that part of the program is to do some conversion from footpath to double-track. Also, to duplicate some routes to allow separate pathways to the same spots. In my mind anyway, that equates to miles and miles of new trails. Bruce From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 18:38:15 2008 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Also, probable Vault at 0853 In-Reply-To: <672452.46680.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <256465.83533.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, we were able to watch the Giantess eruption from just after daylight to well into the afternoon, until the snow became rather heavy - a fascinating day to have the streaming cam. It appeared to us that Vault played more than once, more than an hour apart, which we did not expect. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Bruce Jensen wrote: > From: Bruce Jensen > Subject: [Geysers] Also, probable Vault at 0853 > To: "Geysers" > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 7:55 AM > Probable Vault ns 0853 per webcam; large additonal plume of > steam left rear of Giantess crater. > > Bruce Jensen > > ************** > "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's > soul remains unawakened" > -Anatole France > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From mnewcomb at xmission.com Mon Dec 22 20:43:23 2008 From: mnewcomb at xmission.com (Mike Newcomb) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:43:23 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward In-Reply-To: <965535.1262.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <965535.1262.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would bet my wife's dogs or even my wife that that was Giantess. Having seen a few Giantesses in my lifetime that was certainly what I saw this morning at 0947 ie on the streaming cam. It appeared to have erupted at least several hours prior by the looks of the steam phase I saw at that time. Mike Newcomb -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:38 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward Sure looks like Giantess on the streaming cam...large puffs of heavy steam from an apparently drained crater... Bruce Jensen _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Dec 23 12:46:11 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:46:11 EST Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #2 and new #3 Message-ID: Guesses can only be wrong! So I'll say Grand. Scott Bryan In a message dated 12/21/2008 6:01:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, meechg at verizon.net writes: And now for something completely different, just sky and water for Mystery #3 which you might find really easy ? or not. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081223/e3c4cd45/attachment.html> From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 14:07:47 2008 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Hill, 12/23/2008 Message-ID: <134971.88308.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was at the Bus Barn checking my schedule when Beehive Indicator was called, so I skipped lunch and skied over to part way on the trail to Blue Star to watch it.? Start time was 1259.? I let Brad (guide from West Yellowstone) call it, because my radio is having issues.? Carolyn called Castle at 1218, and it was a major.? Geyser Hill was actually decent skiing for once, Little Cub was ie 1221.? Someone called Plume at 1233, but I?could hardly see it from the back side of the hill.? Aurum was splashing very nicely, so I hung around and it erupted at 1248.? Vault and Giantess are very empty, and Infant is full.? Lion was 1253 ie.? ? If you saw someone waving to the webcam with antlers on, that was me. ? Cupid Spring, Vixen Geyser, Comet Geyser:?thermal features and reindeer. ? Karen Low -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And now for something completely different, just sky and water for Mystery #3 which you might find really easy . or not. _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Daubert Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:27 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 Yellow Funnel Spring. Chris Daubert _____ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:47:53 -0500 From: meechg at verizon.net Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Tara is correct, #1 is a nice big burst from Cliff. It's also one of the few pictures I took this year thinking it would be a good mystery geyser selection. Here's another one (#2). I like the way the droplets look in this shot..which geyser is it? _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... Cliff Geyser? Tara _____ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail R account. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081223/3c1d9bfc/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bruce Jensen _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Tue Dec 23 16:07:50 2008 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:07:50 EST Subject: [Geysers] 12/23 geyser report Message-ID: It's tough to catch good geysers in the winter, however every now and then you get a good day (although I didn't make it in yesterday and missed Giantess). Here is today's action: Great Fountain 9:57 ie Beehive 11:59 Castle 12:18 major Lion 12:53 ie Fountain 13:20 ie (nf- near finish, we made it up for the last burst, oh well) Hopefully I have more days like today. Jim YTG **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081223/8f07bfc7/attachment.html> From johnwarnock at msn.com Tue Dec 23 07:26:16 2008 From: johnwarnock at msn.com (JOHN WARNOCK) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:26:16 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails In-Reply-To: <62441.70212.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <899633.12743.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <62441.70212.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jacks' political views are of absolutely no concern to me...he is certainly welcome to them but I don't believe this is the proper place for sharing them. John Warnock Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:36:23 -0800From: jack.ashe at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trailsTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu If I remember correctly, bikes are allowed on many trails in Waterton Park. I have often wished that many of the service roads and trails were open to bikes in Yellowstone. I think a trial is worth the effort. My impression is that horses cause more problems with trails, noxious weeds and destruction to meadows than bikes. I suspect that if horses had not been "grandfathered in" and someone proposed bringing in horses, there would be objections. Certainly the grizzly bear issue is a concern and that may be the biggest problem. Bikes move much faster than people or horses and can surprise bears that would ordinarily be out of the way by the time hikers or equestrians reached a given spot. Rangers on mountain bikes might be a good thing for improving patrols in the backcountry. My biggest problem is that it was proposed by the Bush Administration, largely at behest of W. and his use of mountain bikes. Another Republican act of self interest. Jack From: Bruce Jensen To: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:39:21 PMSubject: Re: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trailsMy feelings exactly. Bikes on narrow fotopaths, anything less than fairly wide dirt roads really, do nothing to foster either preservation or appreciation of nature, open the door to damage both incidental and unintentional, and tend to make life riskier for those who choose to take their nature study at a pace that permits greater detail.I am cyclist and make no mistake - I am thankful that we can get a headstart on trails to places like Shoshone Geyser Basin and Osprey Falls - but that is not an excuse to create miles of new trails to chew up pristine lands or widen wilderness pathways into vehicular freeways.Not only for Yellowstoen, but for all parks and wilderness areas.Bruce Jensen**************"Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened"-Anatole France--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Udo Freund wrote:> From: Udo Freund > Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails> To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 10:36 AM> The Billings Gaz-bag ... err, Gazette ... has an article> in today's edition about rules changing for mountain> bikes on trails. URL:> http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/12/20/news/wyoming/20-bikes.txt> Comments anyone?> > I offer a few of my own. 1) Bikes in bear country are a> bad mix and resultant liability will be an issue. Hikers> and trail bikers are almost as bad a mix. Perhaps signed> written waivers should be required. 2) Keeping bikes on> trails is similar to keeping vehicles on designated roads. > There will always be a few idiots who will go anywhere they> want. Of course they wouldn't care about any damage> they cause nor would they want to accept responsibility> (liability again) for that. 3) Bikes do carve ruts in> trails so who will be financially and physically responsible> for trail upkeep? As I understand things, there are limited> resources for hiking trails, which probably require less> maintenance.> > Udo> > > _______________________________________________> Geysers mailing list> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu> _______________________________________________Geysers mailing listGeysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081223/fa47fdc8/attachment.html> From udo.freund at lmco.com Tue Dec 23 06:24:02 2008 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:24:02 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Mountain Bikes on Nat'l Park trails In-Reply-To: <723675.2551.qm@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <723675.2551.qm@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The current YNP map shows the entire road from Fountain Flats parking area to the Iron Bridge at the southern end of Midway is a bike trail. The bike symbol is next to Goose Lake. I'll ride my mountain bike in the back country but only with my trusty loaded pistol strapped to my side. Can't trust those varmints out there, especially the 2-legged ones. (c:) Happy Holidays! Udo Freund ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Hatfield the road behind Midway that continues to Ojo Caliente (though I'm not sure this allows bikes, in fact I think it doesn't, though it should.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081223/e5358131/attachment.html> From jochapple at earthlink.net Tue Dec 23 19:43:03 2008 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (Janet Chapple) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:43:03 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #2 and new #3 In-Reply-To: <0KCC00DTJRHPH8U0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KCC00DTJRHPH8U0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <9b9028ee24c2db26e1bcdbe69eb40a50@earthlink.net> Well, of course, it *looked* like enough steam & spray to be Giant's against a winter sky, but should I dare go out on a limb? Thanks to Steve Gryc for another great Christmas lyric and to Carolyn and Karen for those hardy winter UGB reports! And to all I wish a Merry Christmas, Hanukkah, etc.! Janet Chapple ------- On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Graham Meech wrote: > > Since nobody has guessed Mystery #3 I will post the hint, a BIG hint.? > How soon we forget what it looks like! > ? > Merry Christmas! > ? > Graham > ? > > From: Graham Meech [mailto:meechg at verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:10 PM > To: 'Geyser Observation Reports' > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #2 and new #3 > ? > Chris and David Schwarz were both correct, #2 is Yellow Funnel > Spring.? It was a very dirty brown color and had more water in it in > September than I had seen before. > ? > And now for something completely different, just sky and water for > Mystery #3 which you might find really easy ? or not. > ? > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Chris > Daubert > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:27 PM > To: geyser observation reports > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new #2 > ? > Yellow Funnel Spring. > ? > Chris Daubert > > > ? > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:47:53 -0500 > From: meechg at verizon.net > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo....Answer for #1 and new > #2 > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Tara is correct, #1 is a nice big burst from Cliff.? It?s also one of > the few pictures I took this year thinking it would be a good mystery > geyser selection. > ? > Here?s another one (#2).? I like the way the droplets look in this > shot??which geyser is it? > ? > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:26 PM > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Mystery geyser photo.... > ? > > Cliff Geyser? > > Tara > ? > > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your > Hotmail? account. > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It appeared to have erupted at > least several hours prior by the looks of the steam phase I saw at that > time. > > Mike Newcomb > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:38 AM > To: Geyser Observation Reports > Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > > Sure looks like Giantess on the streaming cam...large puffs of heavy steam > from an apparently drained crater... > > Bruce Jensen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > From william.beverly at att.net Tue Dec 23 20:23:59 2008 From: william.beverly at att.net (william.beverly at att.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:23:59 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery #3 Message-ID: <005301c9657f$71c30cf0$4001a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Those look like "Giant" dropplets to me!!!!! 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Lucille _____ From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of sgryc at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 7:30 PM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: [Geysers] Re: Geyser Carol for 2008 Dear All, Yes, here is yet another seasonal tune that I have ripped off to add gazer-appropriate words. This is something that I have been doing every year since posting "I'm Dreaming of a Mastiff Function" back in 1997. Some dyspeptic critics find my poetry wanting, but others are so starved for geyser-related activities that they belt out these songs unmindful of their strained rhymes. To the latter I send the following geyser carol along with my best wishes for a great year of geyser gazing in 2009. Steve Gryc Silver Globes (to the tune of "Silver Bells") Silver Globes, Silver Globes, It's gazing time in the basin. Pool and Cave, please behave, Soon it will be closing day. Basin boardwalks, busy boardwalks, Round with sinter all white In the air there's the sweet smell of brimstone. Tourists shouting, gazers pouting >From the dawn to the night As they stare all day waiting to see, Silver Globes, Silver Globes, It's gazing time in the basin. Slit and Twin, please begin, Soon it will be closing day. ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hgidJHQ2A4rp8BsIdzNjnFf1LrEmHtNrxSW8egkJO1wSeW/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081224/9b859137/attachment.html> From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 14:00:34 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:00:34 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] snow and geysers! Message-ID: Thanks for the Giantess details. I saw an empty Vault about 1430 12/22, and a fairly low water session in Giantess around the same time. Yesterday 12/23 I caught an 8-10' Slit, no pen and paper on hand, but 1330ish, and Opal and Black Diamond were bluer than they'd been on the guide training walk 12/16. The Castle major yesterday was 1218 i.e. H2O by the way. And today we've seen 3 Plumes in a row: 1304, 1355vr and 1442. Beehive was seen early on the webcam, 1709 ie. They say another big storm is coming... Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One is spirited objection to bicycles on the trails and one is a follow up on another proposed rule change that would permit fire arms within YNP. One of the messages is a reminder that there are other sites where political discussions occur without objections. For example, http://www.yellowstone.net/forums/index.php Several express dismay over the Moderator's failure to reject the original political comment. Be it understood that I stand rebuked and will diligently attempt to keep discussions pertinent to geysers and geyser viewing. It is the season for the Festival of Lights, and the days are getting longer. Peace and blessings to all. Sing the geyser carol and check the geyser heights. Carlton Cross Moderator From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 25 08:44:15 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:44:15 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive correction, and... HELP! no, never mind Message-ID: Sorry about the typo, Beehive was at 0709i.e. and 1555 per the webcam yesterday 12/24. And this morning with 7 new inches on the ground and more falling, we haven't seen Old Faithful. If anyone has discerned it, oops it just went, so 11:00 prediction. Whew, Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081225/cba3befc/attachment.html> From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 10:03:03 2008 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:03:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward In-Reply-To: <4951B1C4.7000703@xmission.com> Message-ID: <243551.42824.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent out several cam captures the other day, but perhaps they did not get through? I do not have access to those just now. I am certain it was Giantess, for many reasons, including the cam captures, seismic records, and onsite VC conformation. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Karen Webb wrote: > From: Karen Webb > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:51 PM > Has anyone got a cam capture or photo? > Karen > > Mike Newcomb wrote: > > I would bet my wife's dogs or even my wife that > that was Giantess. Having > > seen a few Giantesses in my lifetime that was > certainly what I saw this > > morning at 0947 ie on the streaming cam. It appeared > to have erupted at > > least several hours prior by the looks of the steam > phase I saw at that > > time. > > > > Mike Newcomb > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On > Behalf Of Bruce Jensen > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:38 AM > > To: Geyser Observation Reports > > Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > > > > Sure looks like Giantess on the streaming cam...large > puffs of heavy steam > > from an apparently drained crater... > > > > Bruce Jensen > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From upperbasin at comcast.net Thu Dec 25 13:20:12 2008 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:20:12 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward In-Reply-To: <243551.42824.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4951B1C4.7000703@xmission.com> <243551.42824.qm@web31107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hope there isn't any doubt about Giantess erupting. I watched it for quite a while on the streaming cam beginning around 0930 MST; the tallest jets I saw were probably about 70' or so. It was definitely several hours into the eruption because I also saw Vent i.e. Paul Strasser -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Jensen Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 11:03 AM To: Geyser Observation Reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward I sent out several cam captures the other day, but perhaps they did not get through? I do not have access to those just now. I am certain it was Giantess, for many reasons, including the cam captures, seismic records, and onsite VC conformation. Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Karen Webb wrote: > From: Karen Webb > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:51 PM > Has anyone got a cam capture or photo? > Karen > > Mike Newcomb wrote: > > I would bet my wife's dogs or even my wife that > that was Giantess. Having > > seen a few Giantesses in my lifetime that was > certainly what I saw this > > morning at 0947 ie on the streaming cam. It appeared > to have erupted at > > least several hours prior by the looks of the steam > phase I saw at that > > time. > > > > Mike Newcomb > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On > Behalf Of Bruce Jensen > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:38 AM > > To: Geyser Observation Reports > > Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > > > > Sure looks like Giantess on the streaming cam...large > puffs of heavy steam > > from an apparently drained crater... > > > > Bruce Jensen > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu From meechg at verizon.net Thu Dec 25 14:51:34 2008 From: meechg at verizon.net (Graham Meech) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Webcam report 12/25 Message-ID: <0KCG002EUFI0XGK1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Based on what was observed on the webcam, nothing erupted today! In fact Old Faithful could be dormant for all I know. The only suspicious activity was that people came and gathered on the boardwalk and then left after a period of time. One might infer that OF erupted sometime before they departed but I had no visual confirmation of an eruption from the cameras. Also I wish to report that it appears that someone has stolen all the benches in front of OF. The people standing on the boardwalk were seen to be searching for them at various times but they never appeared to find them. Of course someone may have painted them all white or maybe there has been sufficient snow to cover them? Maybe something will erupt tomorrow. Merry Christmas Graham Meech -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kitt Barger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Jensen" To: "Geysers" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: [Geysers] Giantess webcam shots 12/22 > Attached are a few Giantess shots from this morning...snowy, but the steam > cloud is clearly big. > > Bruce > > ************** > "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" > -Anatole France > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From cross at bmi.net Thu Dec 25 21:17:08 2008 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:17:08 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Cross Mysteries 1 and 2 Message-ID: <20081226050909.83E24C000926@hans.bmi.net> CrossMystery1: A minor mystery, probably more of a curiosity than a mystery. What is that geyser on the left? CrossMystery2: A serious non-erupting mystery. 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And not only the OF benches are missing... I spent the morning and then some putting out orange poles to mark the trail between Castle and the bridge, between Oblong and Grand, and then I ran out of poles. The Grand and Riverside benches are gone for now, too. In my winter time here, I've not seen anything lilke this storm. Oh, and Fan & Mortar went post-storm last night; there was hardly any snow in the right places this morning, and spiky icy snow on the boardwalk. Also on 2/26: Riverside 1051 i.e. Daisy 0924 i.e. (end), 1332 reported later West Triplet 1142 i.e. Grotto 1206 near beginning Oblong 1216 i.e. Our one-morning-a-week geyser prediction schedule... Lion 1420 i.e. w.c. And looks like Grand i.e. at 1422. Carolyn Loren Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:51:34 -0500From: meechg at verizon.netTo: geysers at lists.wallawalla.eduSubject: [Geysers] Webcam report 12/25 Based on what was observed on the webcam, nothing erupted today! In fact Old Faithful could be dormant for all I know. The only suspicious activity was that people came and gathered on the boardwalk and then left after a period of time. One might infer that OF erupted sometime before they departed but I had no visual confirmation of an eruption from the cameras. Also I wish to report that it appears that someone has stolen all the benches in front of OF. The people standing on the boardwalk were seen to be searching for them at various times but they never appeared to find them. Of course someone may have painted them all white or maybe there has been sufficient snow to cover them? Maybe something will erupt tomorrow. Merry Christmas Graham Meech _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bruce Jensen ************** "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened" -Anatole France --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Paul Strasser wrote: > From: Paul Strasser > Subject: RE: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > To: "'Geyser Observation Reports'" > Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 1:20 PM > I hope there isn't any doubt about Giantess erupting. I > watched it for > quite a while on the streaming cam beginning around 0930 > MST; the tallest > jets I saw were probably about 70' or so. It was > definitely several hours > into the eruption because I also saw Vent i.e. > > Paul Strasser > > -----Original Message----- > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On Behalf Of > Bruce Jensen > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 11:03 AM > To: Geyser Observation Reports > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 onward > > I sent out several cam captures the other day, but perhaps > they did not get > through? I do not have access to those just now. I am > certain it was > Giantess, for many reasons, including the cam captures, > seismic records, and > onsite VC conformation. > > Bruce Jensen > > ************** > "Until one has loved an animal a part of one's > soul remains unawakened" > -Anatole France > > > --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Karen Webb > wrote: > > > From: Karen Webb > > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 > onward > > To: "Geyser Observation Reports" > > > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:51 PM > > Has anyone got a cam capture or photo? > > Karen > > > > Mike Newcomb wrote: > > > I would bet my wife's dogs or even my wife > that > > that was Giantess. Having > > > seen a few Giantesses in my lifetime that was > > certainly what I saw this > > > morning at 0947 ie on the streaming cam. It > appeared > > to have erupted at > > > least several hours prior by the looks of the > steam > > phase I saw at that > > > time. > > > > > > Mike Newcomb > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > [mailto:geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu] On > > Behalf Of Bruce Jensen > > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:38 AM > > > To: Geyser Observation Reports > > > Subject: [Geysers] Giantess??? 12/22/2008 0830 > onward > > > > > > Sure looks like Giantess on the streaming > cam...large > > puffs of heavy steam > > > from an apparently drained crater... > > > > > > Bruce Jensen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Geysers mailing list > > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geysers mailing list > > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 13:51:37 2008 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:51:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 Message-ID: <146805.53440.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw Uncertain Geyser ie at 1237, which was cool.? I can't remember how long it has been since I'd seen Uncertain in winter. ? Old Tardy was active.? I saw it 1239 ie, and again at 1302. ? Penta had erupted since the big storm yesterday. ? I watched a couple of Turban eruptions, but the water in Grand was pretty low, so I didn't stick around. ? On my way towards the hill, I paused and looked back and caught Castle 1309 ie.? I waited near North Goggle to see it switch into steam phase at 1325.? Meanwhile, I saw Little Cub at 1319. ? There were two bison near the boardwalk, up where the trail splits off to go to Solitary Geyser, so I didn't check on Aurum. ? There are a couple of small things on the hill that I saw erupting, that I can't recall seeing before.? About 5 feet north of the boardwalk, between the Dwarf group and Marmot Cave, there is a slit 1" x 4" which had water erupting about ten inches.? Also, about 20' west of Plume there are two vents that I've seen erupt to about 8". ? Beehive wasn't splashing, so probably won't erupt in daylight today. ? I saw Daisy at 1332ie as a cloud from a distance. ? Oh, news about the construction of the new Visitor Education Center.? There is propane leaking from where the tanks for the heating of the VEC?are buried behind the post office.?? I know there were also issues this fall, with the line that they dug a trench for?across the parking lot.? ? Karen Low (Windchill really limits how much time I'm willing to spend outside!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081226/f6b390a2/attachment.html> From david.schwarz at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 18:54:42 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:54:42 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Cross Mysteries 1 and 2 In-Reply-To: <20081226050909.83E24C000926@hans.bmi.net> References: <20081226050909.83E24C000926@hans.bmi.net> Message-ID: I'll bite. Number 1 is the spray from the geyser on the right, which looks like Grotto Fountain. Number 2 looks like a hole at West Thumb near the lake shore. David On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Carlton Cross wrote: > CrossMystery1: A minor mystery, probably more of a curiosity than a > mystery. What is that geyser on the left? > > CrossMystery2: A serious non-erupting mystery. > > Carlton Cross > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081226/7e662a4a/attachment.html> From srlb at eskimo.com Fri Dec 26 19:48:58 2008 From: srlb at eskimo.com (srlb at eskimo.com) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:48:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 In-Reply-To: <146805.53440.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <146805.53440.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1169.205.232.205.84.1230349738.squirrel@205.232.205.84> (Saved w/o pic) "Karen Low" > I saw Uncertain Geyser ie at 1237, which was cool.? I can't remember how > long it has been since I'd seen Uncertain in winter. > ? > Old Tardy was active.? I saw it 1239 ie, and again at 1302. > ? > Penta had erupted since the big storm yesterday. > ? > I watched a couple of Turban eruptions, but the water in Grand was pretty > low, so I didn't stick around. > ? > On my way towards the hill, I paused and looked back and caught Castle > 1309 ie.? I waited near North Goggle to see it switch into steam phase at > 1325.? Meanwhile, I saw Little Cub at 1319. > ? > There were two bison near the boardwalk, up where the trail splits off to > go to Solitary Geyser, so I didn't check on Aurum. > ? > There are a couple of small things on the hill that I saw erupting, that I > can't recall seeing before.? About 5 feet north of the boardwalk, between > the Dwarf group and Marmot Cave, there is a slit 1" x 4" which had water > erupting about ten inches.? Also, about 20' west of Plume there are two > vents that I've seen erupt to about 8". > ? > Beehive wasn't splashing, so probably won't erupt in daylight today. > ? > I saw Daisy at 1332ie as a cloud from a distance. > ? > Oh, news about the construction of the new Visitor Education Center.? > There is propane leaking from where the tanks for the heating of the > VEC?are buried behind the post office.?? I know there were also issues > this fall, with the line that they dug a trench for?across the parking > lot.? > ? > Karen Low > (Windchill really limits how much time I'm willing to spend outside!) > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu Fri Dec 26 21:07:00 2008 From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Jeff Cross) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:07:00 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] UNNG near Occasional Message-ID: Years ago, I remember being at Occasional Geyser and noticing that a crater to the right of Occasional (and much nearer to the road) had thrown out a large quantity of rubble. I have recently been informed that this crater is NOT Guidebook Spring. Therefore, I am wondering: 1) Does this crater have a name? 2) Has anyone actually seen it erupt? Jeff Cross jeff.cross at wallawalla.edu From stepheneide at cableone.net Fri Dec 26 23:09:47 2008 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (stepheneide at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 Message-ID: <1515.1230361787@cableone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081227/f5d9537b/attachment.html> From stepheneide at cableone.net Fri Dec 26 23:19:48 2008 From: stepheneide at cableone.net (stepheneide at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:19:48 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Cross Mysteries 1 and 2 Message-ID: <1558.1230362388@cableone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081227/3b3f2736/attachment.html> From mckfgkwinteroaks at hughes.net Fri Dec 26 17:38:17 2008 From: mckfgkwinteroaks at hughes.net (FREDERICK KALLIEN) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:38:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Geysers] streaming webcam Message-ID: <306265396.229489.1230341897946.JavaMail.mail@webmail02> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081227/614e98a0/attachment.html> From srlb at eskimo.com Sat Dec 27 19:09:58 2008 From: srlb at eskimo.com (srlb at eskimo.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:09:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 In-Reply-To: <1169.205.232.205.84.1230349738.squirrel@205.232.205.84> References: <146805.53440.qm@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1169.205.232.205.84.1230349738.squirrel@205.232.205.84> Message-ID: <1237.205.232.205.46.1230433798.squirrel@205.232.205.46> OOPS! Sorry to have cluttered up the listserv with that. It was generated by an archiving program I wrote some time back to retain copies of all posts to this group. Yesterday, after I'd added an external harddrive to the system, that (and a couple other pieces of my software) went nuts. I'm working on a fix. (Isn't that what all software writers say)?... :-) Bob Berger srlb at eskimo.com > (Saved w/o pic) > "Karen Low" > >> I saw Uncertain Geyser ie at 1237, which was cool.? I can't remember how >> long it has been since I'd seen Uncertain in winter. >> ? >> Old Tardy was active.? I saw it 1239 ie, and again at 1302. >> ? >> Penta had erupted since the big storm yesterday. >> ? >> I watched a couple of Turban eruptions, but the water in Grand was >> pretty >> low, so I didn't stick around. >> ? >> On my way towards the hill, I paused and looked back and caught Castle >> 1309 ie.? I waited near North Goggle to see it switch into steam phase >> at >> 1325.? Meanwhile, I saw Little Cub at 1319. >> ? >> There were two bison near the boardwalk, up where the trail splits off >> to >> go to Solitary Geyser, so I didn't check on Aurum. >> ? >> There are a couple of small things on the hill that I saw erupting, that >> I >> can't recall seeing before.? About 5 feet north of the boardwalk, >> between >> the Dwarf group and Marmot Cave, there is a slit 1" x 4" which had water >> erupting about ten inches.? Also, about 20' west of Plume there are two >> vents that I've seen erupt to about 8". >> ? >> Beehive wasn't splashing, so probably won't erupt in daylight today. >> ? >> I saw Daisy at 1332ie as a cloud from a distance. >> ? >> Oh, news about the construction of the new Visitor Education Center.? >> There is propane leaking from where the tanks for the heating of the >> VEC?are buried behind the post office.?? I know there were also issues >> this fall, with the line that they dug a trench for?across the parking >> lot.? >> ? >> Karen Low >> (Windchill really limits how much time I'm willing to spend outside!) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > From cross at bmi.net Sat Dec 27 21:11:13 2008 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:11:13 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Re: Cross Mysteries 1 and 2 Message-ID: <20081228050349.9921BC000925@hans.bmi.net> David Schwarz is right on both 1 and 2. What looks like a side kick on Grotto Fountain is just a down draft, or whatever you might call it. Stephen Eide also got number 2. However, Mystery 2 was really a question. Does this thing have a name? Is it new? What does it do? Do any of those holes have names? Carlton Cross From pollypanos at earthlink.net Sun Dec 28 07:55:54 2008 From: pollypanos at earthlink.net (Polly Panos) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:55:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Geysers] quakes Message-ID: <21087230.1230479754691.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There has been an interesting series of earthquakes the last couple of days south of Lake. There have been 5 so far in the 3._ range and also some in the 2._ range. http://www.seis.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html Polly Panos From Seeyellowstone at aol.com Mon Dec 29 06:51:48 2008 From: Seeyellowstone at aol.com (Seeyellowstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:51:48 EST Subject: [Geysers] 12/28 report Message-ID: Good morning everyone, Yesterday in the park at Black Sand the small geyser behind Green Spring is now erupting about twice as high, it's now shooting 3 to almost 4 feet high. This geyser is cyclical as it was now erupting as I was heading back. We also had the last couple of bursts of Fountain with it quitting at 13:23, I fist saw it ie @ 13:17. One of these days I may get up there for more than a few seconds of the eruption. In the Mammoth area, there is a new spring in the ditch of the Grand Loop road, just below Palette's parking lot. This spring is causing the southbound lane of the GLR to sink in. Keith (LE, North District) had told me the water temp was 150 degrees. This spring formed about 1 month ago. Also I had meant to pass this on sooner. We have gotten the road construction list for the upcoming summer, It looks like a fun one: Norris to Madison- expect 30 minute delay beginning April 17th. Beginning May 26th, to August 16th there will be night closures between 10 pm and 8 am. On August 17th the road will close for the season. In 2010, the road will once again have night closures. East Entrance (for Kitt), 30 minute delays, no closures Northeast Entrance Road: 30 minute delays between the Northeast Entrance and Cooke City, There will also be 30 minute delay between the Long Lake gate and the Montana/ Wyoming state line (mp 32.5 to 43.1) on top of the Beartooth Pass. U.S. 191 between West Yellowstone and Bozeman will remain closed to thru truck traffic at least through the end of 2009. Expect 20 minute delays, mainly at night during the summer of 2009. Trucks are not allowed this winter and there are no delays, just 1 detour around the Swan Creek bridge. Hopefully I will get to see more geysers tomorrow when I'm in. Jim YTG **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The crater was very close to a gray sign with red painted engraved letters reading "Dangerous Thermal Area" (a sign on a thin post and not one of those signs attached to a log on the ground). The crater and sign were at least 20 feet south of Occasional Geyser along the road. The crater was close to the road and it had rocks spread around it that appeared to have been ejected at some earlier point. The water level in the crater was about a foot below overflow every time I watched the feature. This was the same week that Silex Spring was experiencing renewed eruptive activity, so I never spent more than an hour in the vicinity of Occasional Geyser or this feature but I still managed to see several brief splashing eruptions every time I visited that area. During the eruption the water splashed upward only on the south end of the pool to at most a foot over the water level. The water level did not change during or after the eruption, and the surface of the pool looked hot but was not agitated until the splashing eruption began. The duration of the eruption was significantly less than one minute and the interval was less than 30 minutes. I could easily see into this crater while standing on the shoulder of the road, so it was very near the road and it had rocks spread around it thrown out by something more powerful than I witnessed. Some of the rocks were roughly the size of a softball, and the debris seemed to be mostly within about five feet of the crater. The area around the feature was dry enough to suggest that there wasn't any recently unseen activity that was more powerful. Neil Cochran > From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu > To: geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:07:00 -0800 > Subject: [Geysers] UNNG near Occasional > > Years ago, I remember being at Occasional Geyser and noticing that a crater to the right of Occasional (and much nearer to the road) had thrown out a large quantity of rubble. I have recently been informed that this crater is NOT Guidebook Spring. > > Therefore, I am wondering: > > 1) Does this crater have a name? > 2) Has anyone actually seen it erupt? > > Jeff Cross > jeff.cross at wallawalla.edu_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081229/e1b9a28a/attachment.html> From carolyn at landform.com Mon Dec 29 18:01:25 2008 From: carolyn at landform.com (carolyn at landform.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:01:25 +0000 Subject: * ! * Re: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 Message-ID: <1500872876-1230602426-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1214003511-@bxe109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Z ------Original Message------ From: srlb at eskimo.com Sender: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu To: Geyser Observation Reports ReplyTo: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Dec 26, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: * ! * Re: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 (Saved w/o pic) "Karen Low" > I saw Uncertain Geyser ie at 1237, which was cool.? I can't remember how > long it has been since I'd seen Uncertain in winter. > ? > Old Tardy was active.? I saw it 1239 ie, and again at 1302. > ? > Penta had erupted since the big storm yesterday. > ? > I watched a couple of Turban eruptions, but the water in Grand was pretty > low, so I didn't stick around. > ? > On my way towards the hill, I paused and looked back and caught Castle > 1309 ie.? I waited near North Goggle to see it switch into steam phase at > 1325.? Meanwhile, I saw Little Cub at 1319. > ? > There were two bison near the boardwalk, up where the trail splits off to > go to Solitary Geyser, so I didn't check on Aurum. > ? > There are a couple of small things on the hill that I saw erupting, that I > can't recall seeing before.? About 5 feet north of the boardwalk, between > the Dwarf group and Marmot Cave, there is a slit 1" x 4" which had water > erupting about ten inches.? Also, about 20' west of Plume there are two > vents that I've seen erupt to about 8". > ? > Beehive wasn't splashing, so probably won't erupt in daylight today. > ? > I saw Daisy at 1332ie as a cloud from a distance. > ? > Oh, news about the construction of the new Visitor Education Center.? > There is propane leaking from where the tanks for the heating of the > VEC?are buried behind the post office.?? I know there were also issues > this fall, with the line that they dug a trench for?across the parking > lot.? > ? > Karen Low > (Windchill really limits how much time I'm willing to spend outside!) > > >_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From carolyn at landform.com Mon Dec 29 18:04:41 2008 From: carolyn at landform.com (carolyn at landform.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:04:41 +0000 Subject: * ! * Re: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 Message-ID: <1171391471-1230602622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-830793887-@bxe109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> ------Original Message------ From: srlb at eskimo.com Sender: geysers-bounces at lists.wallawalla.edu To: Geyser Observation Reports ReplyTo: Geyser Observation Reports Sent: Dec 26, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: * ! * Re: [Geysers] Upper Geyser Basin, 12/26/2008 (Saved w/o pic) "Karen Low" > I saw Uncertain Geyser ie at 1237, which was cool.? I can't remember how > long it has been since I'd seen Uncertain in winter. > ? > Old Tardy was active.? I saw it 1239 ie, and again at 1302. > ? > Penta had erupted since the big storm yesterday. > ? > I watched a couple of Turban eruptions, but the water in Grand was pretty > low, so I didn't stick around. > ? > On my way towards the hill, I paused and looked back and caught Castle > 1309 ie.? I waited near North Goggle to see it switch into steam phase at > 1325.? Meanwhile, I saw Little Cub at 1319. > ? > There were two bison near the boardwalk, up where the trail splits off to > go to Solitary Geyser, so I didn't check on Aurum. > ? > There are a couple of small things on the hill that I saw erupting, that I > can't recall seeing before.? About 5 feet north of the boardwalk, between > the Dwarf group and Marmot Cave, there is a slit 1" x 4" which had water > erupting about ten inches.? Also, about 20' west of Plume there are two > vents that I've seen erupt to about 8". > ? > Beehive wasn't splashing, so probably won't erupt in daylight today. > ? > I saw Daisy at 1332ie as a cloud from a distance. > ? > Oh, news about the construction of the new Visitor Education Center.? > There is propane leaking from where the tanks for the heating of the > VEC?are buried behind the post office.?? I know there were also issues > this fall, with the line that they dug a trench for?across the parking > lot.? > ? > Karen Low > (Windchill really limits how much time I'm willing to spend outside!) > > >_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From Carlton.Cross at wallawalla.edu Mon Dec 29 22:19:02 2008 From: Carlton.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Carlton Cross) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:19:02 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENT Message-ID: <1C41A84ADCED6E439EB3E7EDBCD3DF711179CC1656@post3.skynet.local> By the will of some strange computer god, you have received the previous two postings. I have no communication with this god, and, so far, I don't like him/her. Carlton Cross Moderator From jack.ashe at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 08:00:26 2008 From: jack.ashe at yahoo.com (Jack Ashe) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:00:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Seismic Activity References: <1C41A84ADCED6E439EB3E7EDBCD3DF711179CC1656@post3.skynet.local> Message-ID: <65399.6077.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Recent reports in the press about small quakes in Yellowstone. Does anyone know what the geologist perception of this swarm tends to suggest in Yellowstone? Not looking for prediction, just prevailing interpretation of this sort of seimic activity might mean in Yellowstone-- does it represent small movements along a single fault, multiple fractures at multiple sites, expansion, contraction,shearing parallel to surface, etc.? Jack Ashe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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RUSSIAN Volcano VIDEO FOOTAGE http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7805018.stm A larger Video Story on Volcano from Reuters http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=96167&videoChannel=1 ~ sent by Vicky Frangos From riozafiro at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 16:15:06 2008 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:15:06 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Possible Fan & Mortar, 12.30.08 Message-ID: <14014547-2F61-4F70-8C23-12337186B887@gmail.com> Fan & Mortar possibly erupted around 1700 on 12.30.08, the reason I think so is that Riverside was not due, having gone less than five hours before this steam cloud. Also it was nicely seen on the streaming cam as well as in this beautiful sunset light on the still cam. Hope it can be confirmed. Thanks. Pat Snyder -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've talked with the interp at Grant who has felt them, and heard from people at Lake that have felt them. ? At a guess (and remember I only have a BSc in Geology) it is probably hot briny fluid movement.? Dr. Bob Smith said at a lecture I attended that that is what causes most quakes here in the park. ? I still haven't felt any quakes in the park in 2008, but I felt 5 in the park in 2007. ? Karen Low --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Jack Ashe wrote: From: Jack Ashe Subject: [Geysers] Seismic Activity To: "Geyser Observation Reports" Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 9:00 AM Recent reports in the press about small quakes in Yellowstone. Does anyone know what the geologist perception of this swarm tends to suggest in Yellowstone? Not looking for prediction, just prevailing interpretation of this sort of seimic activity might mean in Yellowstone-- does it represent small movements along a single fault, multiple fractures at multiple sites, expansion, contraction,shearing parallel to surface, etc.? ? Jack Ashe _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081230/06b0a1ec/attachment.html> From marrett at mail.utexas.edu Tue Dec 30 22:02:49 2008 From: marrett at mail.utexas.edu (Randall Marrett) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:02:49 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Seismic Activity In-Reply-To: <65399.6077.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1C41A84ADCED6E439EB3E7EDBCD3DF711179CC1656@post3.skynet.local> <65399.6077.qm@web59401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not a seismologist and I don't know specific details about this swarm, but.... The most common earthquake swarm follows on the heels of a larger earthquake, in the form of aftershocks. Swarms without a main shock commonly occur in areas of active volcanism, and are thought to be a consequence of magma movement. The movement can be sudden flow of magma into a crack, resulting in a dike. The magma movement alternatively can induce indirect deformation of rock surrounding a larger magma body, such as a magma chamber. With large enough quakes from dike inflation, the interpretation can be corroborated by focal mechanisms (the pattern of seismic energy radiation is different for shear motion along a fault vs opening motion along a dike). No doubt, Bob Smith of Univ Utah could provide more authoritative answers. He's a seismologist, and has been working on Yellowstone for decades. http://www.seis.utah.edu/EQCENTER/PRESS/yell_press.htm#12292008 At 8:00 AM -0800 12/30/08, Jack Ashe wrote: >Recent reports in the press about small quakes in Yellowstone. >Does anyone know what the geologist perception of this swarm tends >to suggest in Yellowstone? Not looking for prediction, just >prevailing interpretation of this sort of seimic activity might mean >in Yellowstone-- does it represent small movements along a single >fault, multiple fractures at multiple sites, expansion, >contraction,shearing parallel to surface, etc.? > >Jack Ashe -- Randall Marrett Professor Department of Geological Sciences Jackson School of Geosciences University of Texas at Austin 1 University Station C1100 Austin, Texas 78712-0254 phone: (512) 471-2113 fax: (512) 471-9425 e-mail: marrett at mail.utexas.edu web: http://www.geo.utexas.edu/faculty/marrett/ From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 14:33:32 2008 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] geysers and quakes Message-ID: Quakes: We're still seeing good-sized quakes on our seismo. You might check the Yell. Volcano Observatory website for a press release - the largest swarm in some years, no specific info. as someone requested, yet. More analysis is needed. Geysers: Rift and W. Triplet i.e. at 0815 or so, but Grand went anyway at 0836. Kitt is here! so we know of 3 Daisies at 0809 i.e., 1020 and 1244. Riverside 1256, Beehive at 1435. If you can see anything, watch for Castle and another Grand. At Fan & Mortar, it sounded like post-eruption ice from Kitt's description... Carolyn Loren _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081231/94aa4e8f/attachment.html> From Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu Wed Dec 31 17:16:44 2008 From: Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu (Jeff Cross) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:16:44 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery Geyser Message-ID: Here is a mystery geyser: http://minerals.cr.usgs.gov/projects/yellowstone/index.html Photograph not by me. Unusual perspective. See if you can identify it. Jeff Cross From cross at bmi.net Wed Dec 31 17:44:49 2008 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:44:49 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Happy 2009 Message-ID: <20090101013625.C8844C00091A@hans.bmi.net> Happy New Year to all 404 of you. Carlton Cross From david.schwarz at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 18:36:42 2008 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery Geyser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Given the lake behind it, that must be Lone Pine, but if so, yes, that's a very unusual perspective. David Schwarz On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Jeff Cross wrote: > Here is a mystery geyser: > > http://minerals.cr.usgs.gov/projects/yellowstone/index.html > > Photograph not by me. Unusual perspective. > > See if you can identify it. > > Jeff Cross_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20081231/d46a5c8a/attachment.html> From riozafiro at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 18:37:21 2008 From: riozafiro at gmail.com (Pat Snyder) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:37:21 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Mystery Geyser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could it be Aurum? Pat Snyder On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jeff Cross wrote: > Here is a mystery geyser: > > http://minerals.cr.usgs.gov/projects/yellowstone/index.html > > Photograph not by me. Unusual perspective. > > See if you can identify it. > > Jeff Cross_______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at lists.wallawalla.edu > From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Dec 31 19:00:04 2008 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:00:04 EST Subject: [Geysers] Mystery Geyser Message-ID: Methinks this is Lakeshore Geyser. You do, of course, notice the lake in the background. Scott Bryan In a message dated 12/31/2008 6:42:21 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Jeff.Cross at wallawalla.edu writes: Here is a mystery geyser: http://minerals.cr.usgs.gov/projects/yellowstone/index.html Photograph not by me. Unusual perspective. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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