As it turns out, most of us have untrained eyes. The _Sput_ has an article circa 1989 describing an experiment in which three geyser gazers measured (with instruments) the height of an eruption of Grand from three different vantage points. Their results disagreed wildly. That discouraged everyone from trying to measure Grand for a while. When the old boardwalks were removed, the surveyed benchmarks at Grand and other geysers came with them. There is a tradition as old as the Park itself of guidebooks repeating the same geyser descriptions and height estimates without question*. Grand Geyser is believed to erupt as high as 200 feet because the Hayden survey estimated so back in 1871. Well, that and the fact that it's still a plausibly optimistic figure... There is only one reliable method I know of to make off-the-cuff height estimates, which is to know in advance the apparent eruption height corresponding to a fixed benchmark. The old visitor center used to measure Old Faithful relative to a tree in the foreground**. This worked because the viewing location was very well standardized. Similarly, the horizon behind Steamboat/New Crater Geyser corresponds to an eruption height of ~25 feet. There's no reason we couldn't do the same for Grand. Caveat: since the eruptions are not precisely vertical, it would be best to do this from a distant vantage point. Completely unreliable methods include: comparing to a geyser of known height (i.e. Grand was twice as tall as Riverside) and gauging how long water droplets hang in the air before returning to earth. Collectively, I think gazers have are OK at comparing two eruptions of the same geyser. We're much worse at deciding if Beehive is typically taller than Grand and Old Faithful, or some other way around. And we are terrible at assigning actual numbers, in part because so few careful measurements have been taken in recent memory. For what it's worth, my personal strategy for most geysers over 30 feet is to take the height that I "would like" the eruption to be, then subtract 20 percent. Here's how this works in practice: Let's suppose I am watching Castle erupt, and it has a rather nice episode of jetting. I could stretch to convince myself that it was 75 feet tall. But with Castle I can also perform a reality check, using the 12-foot cone as a measuring stick. Chances are the objective result would come up 20% lower, near 60 feet. You tell me -- which number sounds better, 60 or 75? Michael Goldberg mikeg at math.jhu.edu * It's not just geyser gazers. According to Richard Feynman's memoirs, it took scientists years to correctly determine the charge of the electron, because of a collective deference to Sir Robert Millikin's original measurements. Which were a bit off. ** If someone could create a measurement scale for Old Faithful eruptions on the webcam, I'd really appreciate their efforts, and I'd love to know the eruption height in the attached screenshot. On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, John Taliaferro wrote: > Thanks to those gazers who put up with my lame questions during my > initiation into earnest gazing on 14-15 June. Everybody has firsts, and > mine were marvelous: Grand (twice), Daisy, Castle, Riverside, and Lion, > to name the high points. Among the many things my untrained eye had > trouble evaluating was the height of any given eruption. For instance, I > guestimated Grand's bursts at roughly 100 feet. I was informed that they > were at least 150, perhaps 180 feet high. Question: Is there a > recognized technique for measuring eruption height without relying on > actual instrumentation? How do you guys do it -- or is it best not to > try? Thanks. John Taliaferro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2007.0517.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 50838 bytes Desc: URL: </geyser-list/attachments/20070618/161cdf41/attachment.jpg>