From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 1 05:39:49 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:39:49 EDT Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand Message-ID: <246.d6398ad.31d7c715@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2006 10:40:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, caroloren98 at hotmail.com writes: For some, VC means viet cong and brings back terrible memories. And since designer John Sinnock's initials could mean Josef Stalin, even though Stalin has been dead for over 50 years, some people still want to ban, or at least have the initials removed from, the Roosevelt dime. Oh, well-- but at least in 3(?) years we'll be able to say "VEC". HOWEVER, in practice I'd certainly recommend that people always say "Visitor Center" on the radio, since the longer phrase might be more readily heard in a "VC" where they already have difficulties. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060701/fac1c1c5/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 1 06:52:51 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:52:51 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Sput and Morning Message-ID: <277.bbe011d.31d7d833@aol.com> Although both the producers and the distributor of The Sput are now in Yellowstone, this announces that yesterday's (June 30) mail delivered my copy of the June 2006 Sput. Now, this is to Ralph Taylor most specifically: Thanks for the info (in the Sput) about the electronic temperature log at Fountain Geyser at the time of the reported-apparent eruption of Morning Geyser, on March 2, 2006. However, the accompanying chart brings up two questions: 1. The temperature trace on the chart implies a similarly long, if not longer, interval on March 13. Yes? Was that associated with some sort of long duration eruption by Fountain, or by any known "aberrant" behavior? 2. Was the park still open on March 13 (I think so, but am not sure). If so, did anybody see anything odd on or about March 13? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060701/d31c24c8/attachment.html> From ruthleslie at ispwest.com Sat Jul 1 09:57:45 2006 From: ruthleslie at ispwest.com (Ruth & Leslie Quinn) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:57:45 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand References: Message-ID: <000801c69d2f$7ab0aae0$86300543@YOUR0D4968B766> Ah, language -- a few months ago when the Secretary of the Interior was making a winter visit, the NPS asked us to refrain from our time-honored tradition of referring to our Bombardier Snow Coaches as "Bombs" on the radio. As an alternative, perhaps we can call the current VC the THOFIR, the "temporary hang out for interp rangers." Just one of the rabble, Leslie Quinn ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn loren" To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand > For those in the Old Faithful area, there has been a visitor request not > to > say "VC" for "Visitor Center." For some, VC means viet cong and brings > back > terrible memories. > > Thanks, > > Carolyn/OFVC > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From riozafiro at comcast.net Sun Jul 2 01:26:00 2006 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand In-Reply-To: <000801c69d2f$7ab0aae0$86300543@YOUR0D4968B766> References: <000801c69d2f$7ab0aae0$86300543@YOUR0D4968B766> Message-ID: <7C6DF490-5C7E-41E8-8004-F1F122CE2ABB@comcast.net> How about we call it the Public Center? Can't be more correct than PC. Pat S. P.S. I also vote for Doublewide. Hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle, David. On Jul 1, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Ruth & Leslie Quinn wrote: > Ah, language -- a few months ago when the Secretary of the > Interior was > making a winter visit, the NPS asked us to refrain from our time- > honored > tradition of referring to our Bombardier Snow Coaches as "Bombs" on > the > radio. > As an alternative, perhaps we can call the current VC the THOFIR, > the > "temporary hang out for interp rangers." Just one of the rabble, > Leslie Quinn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carolyn loren" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:08 PM > Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand > > From thedulcimerlady at juno.com Sun Jul 2 18:40:42 2006 From: thedulcimerlady at juno.com (Lucille Reilly) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:40:42 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand In-Reply-To: <7C6DF490-5C7E-41E8-8004-F1F122CE2ABB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ah, The Pub! Lucille -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Pat Snyder Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 2:26 AM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand How about we call it the Public Center? Can't be more correct than PC. Pat S. P.S. I also vote for Doublewide. Hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle, David. On Jul 1, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Ruth & Leslie Quinn wrote: > Ah, language -- a few months ago when the Secretary of the > Interior was > making a winter visit, the NPS asked us to refrain from our time- > honored > tradition of referring to our Bombardier Snow Coaches as "Bombs" on > the > radio. > As an alternative, perhaps we can call the current VC the THOFIR, > the > "temporary hang out for interp rangers." Just one of the rabble, > Leslie Quinn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carolyn loren" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:08 PM > Subject: [Geysers] GOSA radio shorthand > > _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jul 3 17:33:59 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:33:59 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Three geysers of note Message-ID: <1bf.6cdc533.31db1177@aol.com> Driving tours and so not having time in the basins, but still three geysers of note yesterday and today: Yesterday I saw Frolic in eruption. It was not particularly vigorous, splashing to not more than 3 feet, but playing nonetheless. Today I saw Frolic again, and this time it was jetting to probably 10 feet high. This was at 1034. And at the same time I saw Old Bellefontaine splashing to a foot or two. And today, while driving into the Old Faithful area, I saw Middle (yes, Middle) Three Sister splashing to what had to be not less than 3 feet. This was about 5 minutes before the start of Beehive's Indicator, so at about 1116. (Which means that the Indicator started at 1121, and Beehive went at 1134.) Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060703/febda7c9/attachment.html> From cross at bmi.net Mon Jul 3 20:59:08 2006 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant Erupts (no details) Message-ID: <20060704035912.A2211C18053@zapp.wwc.edu> We got a call from Tara saying that Giant has just erupted. Details will have to come from someone else since I was out and there wasn't much of a message. Probably, shortly after 1900 (Monday). Carlton Cross From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Jul 4 14:55:17 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:55:17 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 4 Message-ID: <431.3f574ea.31dc3dc5@aol.com> Happy 4th! I missed yesterday's 1925 (interval 16d 00h 05m) Giant after having driven a "trip from Hell" tour. But... Giant has recovered _very_ quickly. At 0741 this morning, I found Mastiff to be depth-charging accompanied by jetting in Catfish. I interpret this as having just missed seeing a bathtub -- there had not been a hot period as there was no runoff. However, then hot periods were seen at 1206 (d~2 min) and 1329 (d>3 min with Mastiff to about 2 feet). We all agree that this is an extraordinarily rapid system recovery. Working back up basin today: The marker at Fan and Mortar remains in place. Grotto Fountain was at 0824ie, Grotto at 0827. Daisy had intervals of 2h 09m and 2h 21m. Oblong was at 0804 and 1326 (I = 5h 22m). Grand was 0455E and 1154 (I = 6h 59m, 1 burst). Castle had a short duration minor at 1348. Beehive made us wait until 1245 (I = 25h 11m) and had a 12 minute Indicator. The only three Plume intervals I recorded were of 58, 61 and 55 minutes. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060704/52dd7d44/attachment.html> From yellowstone17 at bridgernet.com Tue Jul 4 21:12:22 2006 From: yellowstone17 at bridgernet.com (Mario Durrant) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:12:22 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Three geysers of note References: <1bf.6cdc533.31db1177@aol.com> Message-ID: <03f401c69fe9$388e3d00$eb67adcf@EBONY> <> I have been thinking about Echinus and there are a couple of questions I have to throw out-- seems like this geyser currently has plenty of water but (?) has gradually lost its heat source-- Or is it possible that it has damaged itself like Excelsior and Monarch are speculated to have done to themselves?... I wondered this since Norris is the hottest basin in the Park and is likely to still have plenty of heat. I remember Echinus 20 years ago and have looked through several pictures I have from 1986 and 1989 and it seems like it used to erupt from a lower pool and had (of course memory is fickle) longer and more frequent eruptions than I had seen over the past 6 years until this current dormancy. I do remember it used to drain completely, but eruptions I watched in 2002, 2003 and 2004 seemed to have very little drain comparatively-- the water would drop maybe 1/3 or so from overflow and then start gradually filling to the next eruption... so anyway, my big question I guess is whether it's possible that an increase in the water supply to Echinus would affect eruptions negatively-- or as mentioned above whether it could have damaged itself at depth. Echinus has always been a favorite, I hate to have it dormant! Thanks for letting me babble-- Mario Durrant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060704/b0a63ff2/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:48:35 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:48:35 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 6 Message-ID: <388.71d8ac2.31dec313@aol.com> Before the geysers, yesterday was the meeting between GOSA and the NPS. Thorough notes were taken by others, but a couple of points of interest. Approval was very near for the Old Faithful Webcam to be placed on the chimney of the OF Lodge. That should provide a view of not only Old Faithful, but also down basin -- just what would be visible will depend on the aiming, but almost certainly it will include Castle, Grand area and Daisy, and perhaps some of Geyser Hill. The contract bid period for the demolition of the old VC (I mean visitor center) and construction of the new VEC closes next week, and the contract is ex pected to be issued quickly. Demolition is now loosely scheduled for late August-early September, followed by groundwork. No construction this winter, but then work should be ongoing throughout next summer and through the winter 2007-2008. The new VEC will hopefully be completed in late 2008, but perhaps not until 2009. For those who are out at night, shielding of the lights at the Lower Station was accomplished last Monday. On Wednesday, July 5, it seemed like I was in the basin for a relatively long time, but my notes seem to bear only a couple of "reportable" things: Beehive made up for the previous day's 25+ hour interval by erupting after 21h 40m; Indicator of 16 minutes. Daisy had an interval of 2h 11m. Today, July 6: The only Plume interval I recorded was 58 minutes. Beehive had an interval of 23h 51m, and a long-ish Indicator of 19 minutes. Grand was slightly "rifted", with an interval of 8h 05m. Perhaps the more exciting info is about Fountain. Durations of around 40 minutes have been common this summer, and last evening's eruption had a duration of just that, 40 minutes. It was followed by an interval of about 9h 52m, being seen in eruption at 0624. It didn't end until 0733, giving a duration of at least 69 minutes. Durations of around 60 minutes were common in the early 1990s, but not since then. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He said that there was a new feature above Echinus that had a very, very low ph- low even for Norris. It was running off down into Echinus' pool, and his theory was that the acidity was eating away Echinus' throat, thus robbing it of it's ability to build pressure to erupt. I have no idea if he was right, but thought I'd pass that along. Laurie, Dark Phoenix lauriebr at netw.com Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; give him a freshly-charged Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again. -- Tanuki -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably, shortly after 1900 (Monday). > > Carlton Cross > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Jul 6 19:38:57 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:38:57 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Three geysers of note Message-ID: <2a7.72f1fa4.31df2341@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2006 6:15:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, lauriebr at netw.com writes: and his theory was that the acidity was eating away Echinus' throat, thus robbing it of it's ability to build pressure to erupt. Nonsense. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This morning the water level in Morning was significantly higher than in Fountain, but in my hour and a half there, I could not definitely note any change in the water level. Lynn was there when I left at about 0820 and I think I saw her truck still in the parking lot as I drove out at around 1330. For myself and most other gazers, there will be relatively little gazing during the day tomorrow, as we will be at Steve and Tonya's wedding at Sand Point. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060707/a3fb11f1/attachment.html> From david.schwarz at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 17:41:53 2006 From: david.schwarz at gmail.com (David Schwarz) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:41:53 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Three geysers of note In-Reply-To: <2a7.72f1fa4.31df2341@aol.com> References: <2a7.72f1fa4.31df2341@aol.com> Message-ID: I was going to write a detailed rebuttal once I had time--you know, estimate the volume of Echinus' system, the maximum reasonable inflow from an external source, the amount immediately put out by overflow and/or eruptions, and so on--but I think Scott just said everything that needed to be said. David On 7/6/06, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/6/2006 6:15:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, > lauriebr at netw.com writes: > > and his theory was that the acidity was eating away Echinus' throat, thus > robbing it of it's ability to build pressure to erupt. > > Nonsense. > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060707/438898e0/attachment.html> From sjstrasser at comcast.net Fri Jul 7 22:09:17 2006 From: sjstrasser at comcast.net (Suzanne Strasser) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:09:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant Erupts (no details) In-Reply-To: <539.30a0979.31e044be@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c6a24c$aa4a2d40$6600a8c0@GIANT> Stay tuned for more information. Tara informed me that she will post a message to the list server after she returns home from Yellowstone on Sunday. It will contain lots of details about the July 3 Giant eruption and the activity leading up to it. Suzanne _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 5:14 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giant Erupts (no details) In a message dated 7/7/2006 4:58:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, riozafiro at comcast.net writes: Scott didn't mention in his report...was this a "normal" function eruption, or did Mastiff erupt as well? Thanks for any info...I realize some of the observers probably don't have email access at this time. The eruption of July 3 was a normal, or Giant, function. Mastiff did some before the eruption but then, as stated by the observers, "Mastiff quit and drained but Feather etc. didn't know it." Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060707/5b4e5399/attachment.html> From seide1 at mindspring.com Sat Jul 8 04:07:18 2006 From: seide1 at mindspring.com (Stephen J. Eide) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:07:18 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Morning!?! Message-ID: <44AF91E5.B4521A9A@mindspring.com> Greetings and Salutations, I just returned from Yellowstone about 24 hours ago. I have more to post but thought I'd post the info on the Fountain area prior to the Morning eruption and the Morning eruption first and save the rest for tomorrow. First the background Fountain eruptions. I saw most of the eruption on 7-2-06 at 1541 but I arrived out on the overlook a few minutes after the start. About 5-7 minutes after the start of Fountain Morning's Thief gave two big bursts I thought were in the 30-40 foot range, perhaps even higher. These were the biggest bursts from Morning's Thief I have seen to date. On 7-3 I saw Fountain from the road i.e. at 1951 but did not stop. On 7-4 I spent most of the day out at Fountain and saw two Fountain eruptions at 951 D=33 and 1602 D=35. Both were relatively normal Fountain eruptions. For the morning eruption Spasm started like usual then stopped and drained prior to the start of Fountain. For the afternoon eruption Fountain started while Spasm was still in eruption. Jets were in the 7-13 minute range up to the start of Fountain and then every 1-3 minutes during the Fountain eruption. With the morning eruption Morning's Thief had two bursts to about 30 feet six minutes into Fountain's eruption. Clepsedrya (or some such spelling) stopped 13 minutes after Fountain stopped and was only off for three minutes. For the afternoon eruption I did not record the time for Morning's Thief but I think it was about 6-7 minutes after the start of Fountain and was about 25 feet high. Clep shut off 16 minutes after Fountain quit and was off for about three minutes. On 7-5 Fountain was i.e. at 557 from the road and again I did not stop for additional information. Fountain erupted again at 1334 D=34 starting after Spasm quit and drained but otherwise everything else as active as usual. (If anyone wants all the Jets, Bear claw, Twig, and Super Frying Pan times you can e-mail me). Fountain next erupted at 2032 D=40 and the hour prior to the eruption had normal activity from Jet, Spasm, and the other cast of geysers. On 7-6 I saw Fountain i.e. from the road at 0624 and decided to walk out. When I reached the boardwalk in front of Fountain Spasm was off, Jelly was half full, Jets were every 1-3 minutes but I did not record any Jet times, and due to the steam I could not see Morning or Morning's thief. At about 700 I realized this was starting to be a very long Fountain eruption and again did a review of the system. Jelly had drained out of sight, Clep was still active with some vents water, some steam, Jets were still about every 1-3 minutes but alternated normal eruptions with weak eruptions, and now I could see that I could not see any water in Morning even from the top of the stairs. There was pooled water to the east of Morning's Thief so I think it erupted earlier in the Fountain eruption but I cannot prove it. Fountain continued until 733 for a duration of 69+ minutes. I reached the Fountain area again at 1246 with nothing active. Jelly was about half full and bubbling or boiling weakly from the front of the pool. Nothing erupted (but Clep) until Super Frying Pan at 1336. I watched it for several minutes because while the eruption was normal height it never reached overflow and did not wet the runoff channel. I looked at Fountain and could see no water in Fountain when MORNING gave a vertical column of water to about 30 feet at 1342 and then continued to erupt at various angles in the 5-20 foot range. After yelling Morning several times to the folks on the observation deck, I called it on the radio and ran past the people coming down because my camera was in my backpack on the observation deck. By the time I retrieved my camera and returned to the front of Fountain's pool Morning's eruption had weaken and then stopped. I didn't look at my watch until later but I think the duration was in the 1-2 minute range. For a while we just looked at each other and tried to make sense out of what just happened when Fountain started at 1347 D=29. I did look at Fountain about a minute before it started and could not see any water in Fountain. After Fountain started Spasm started at 1351 and the first Jet of the afternoon did not happen until 1415 just before Fountain stopped. I don't think anyone stayed around to see if Clep shut off. The lead up to the evening eruption 7-6 was basically normal Fountain group activity with Super Frying Pan erupting as I walked into the Fountain area (but I did not write down the start time, others do have it if needed). Spasm started at 1857 and stopped at 1957. Jets were in a very tight 7-9 minute range for 2+ hours prior to the start of Fountain at 2124. I left Fountain just prior to the start of Fountain and heard the time called from the parking lot as I had to drive 7 hours to home that night. I think Kitt saw the whole Fountain eruption Now I have to wait at home to see if Morning will erupt again. The rest should follow tomorrow. Stephen J. Eide From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 06:24:35 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:24:35 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report 7/7 (Stephens) Message-ID: THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV AND MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE. As Scott noted, I spent the day (7/7) at Fountain. Fountain erupted at 0935 (d = 33) and 1905 (d = 34). Clepsydra did not pause after either of the Fountain eruptions. Morning's Thief erupted at 0943, 0947 (30-35 ft) and 1920 and 1922 (20 ft). It's easy to understand why visitors think the geyser behind Fountain that is erupting is Morning. They see a wall of water behind Fountain, look at the map and the only other feature listed on the map is Morning, so they assume the eruption is coming from Morning. When Fountain is not erupting, it is easy to see whether the water is coming from Morning or from Morning's Thief, if you know that both features exist. When Fountain is erupting the steam is frequently blown in the direction of Morning and Morning's Thief so you have to be standing where you can see both openings to determine which opening is ejecting the water. Spasm erupted at 08:39 (duration 42 minutes) and 14:51 (duration 60 minutes) for an interval of 6h12 minutes. (Spasm had ended both times before Fountain erupted.) Twig erupted at 10:10 (duration of 2h37m), starting just after Fountain ended. Twig erupted again at 17:05, I = 6h55m, duration 2h44 minutes. This time Twig started before exactly 2 hours before Fountain started, continued through Fountain's eruption, and ended 10 minutes after Fountain ended. (I think I have seen all combinations of Twig starts and ends with respect to Fountain's eruptions.) Super Frying Pan erupted at 1012, 1235, 1446, and 1802--intervals of 2h23m, 2h11m, and 3h16m. Durations were 7 to 10 minutes. Jet--For the 1 1/2 hours prior to Fountain's 0935 eruption, Jet was erupting at 7 to 9 minute intervals. Jet had an eruption seconds after Fountain ended at 1008, then didn't erupt again until 1502, an interval of 4h54m. Jet's first interval after it resumed erupting was 24 minutes, then intervals dropped to the 7-9 minute range until Fountain erupted again at 1905. After ended at 1939, Jet had a regular eruption seconds after Fountain ended, then two minor eruptions at 2 minute intervals (it was as if Jet hadn't realized that Fountain had ended). Then Jet had a regular eruption five minutes later and another regular eruption 6 minutes later. At that point I left and did not wait to determine how long Jet was going to continue erupting after Fountain had ended. (On May 31 Jet continued erupting for 34 minutes after Fountain ended before taking a break for 2h49 minutes.) I did not take any times for Bearclaw or any of the features in the Kaleidoscope Group on July 7. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 06:58:38 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Addendum -- Geyser Report 7/7 Stephens Message-ID: I forgot to mention--although we have been trying to get the word out, it seems not every one is listening--Fountain is erupting from a LOW pool. When Fountain erupts at 7 to 8 hours, I can barely see water in Fountain's crater. Yesterday evening when Fountain had a 9 1/2 hour interval, I could see water in the crater, but the water hadn't moved out into the neck. Roughly an hour or so before Fountain erupted at 1905, a gazer walked through, said they had planned to wait for Fountain but since it had obviously erupted recently, they weren't going to wait. Fountain had not erupted since 0935, it's just that the water level is not recovering as quickly as it has in recent years (maybe because the durations have increased compared to recent years). So, once again, we are repeating, Fountain is erupting from a LOW pool. Don't be surprised if you can't see water in the crater and Fountain erupts within an hour after you have passed by. On another note--the 2006 electronic version of the OFVC logbook has been updated through June 30 and should be available soon on the GOSA website. (It doesn't take much time to enter the logbook into the electronic spreadsheet now since the interpretive staff are swamped in the VEC, the accoustics are such that there is a lot of noise, and they can't hear the radios. Since very few gazers are going to the VEC to turn in times the logbook has very, very few entries in it. When I went in this morning to put in my times from Fountain complex observations yesterday, there were fewer than 5 entries other than entries for predictable geysers of Castle, Daisy, Grand, Great Fountain, Riverside, Beehive and Plume. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Sat Jul 8 13:16:51 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:16:51 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Heart Lake 02 July Message-ID: <44B0E7ED@webmail.colostate.edu> I visited Heart Lake Geyser Bason on 02 July. Findings are as follows: In the Fissure Group, Glade Geyser is active. Based on filling rates, I estimate that its intervals are around 12 hours. Shell Geyser was unusually active. Frequent surges filled the crater and sent heavy water over the rim into Witch Creek. A few surges crossed the stream completely. It has been many years since I saw this much activity from it. Pit Geyser was also active, with intervals of 7 minutes and highly regular. One eruption cleared the rim. The small cone next to Shelf Spring may be active. The splash basin was washed and the cone was full, boiling, and overflowing lightly. Splurger Geyser was erupting whenever seen. The small geyser just above it was also active and cycling. Wisp Geyser looked completely dead, with no sign of any eruptions in the last year. In the Upper Group, Deluge Geyser continues the severly enfeebled activity I noted last July. A single cycle took 22 minutes to complete. It overflows only through the main channel. The terrace in front of the pool is completely dry, with vegetation starting to grow in one place. The two vents in front of Deluge were both geysers, with intervals of 4 and 5 minutes, respectively. Neither one overflowed, and in the geyser furthest from Deluge no water could be seen during the eruption. Spike Geyser was also nearly dead. There is still plenty of heat in the complex, but only one vent overflowed (the one at the base of the spike) a trickle of water. Yellow Funnel, on the other side of the stream, was ebbed 3 feet. The crater is severely weathered. In the Rustic Group, Rustic was active with intervals of 29 and 38 minutes. Composite's formation was clean, but the wash was not recent. The subterranean geyser downhill from Rustic was dormant. In the Lower Group, Ivory Geyser was active, with majors occuring every 14 minutes. The "Reciprocal Springs" next to it were active, the south spring erupting to the grand height of 6 inches with substantial overflow. Paperiello #19 may have been active. Paperiello #7a has also reactivated, with eruptions every minute to 6 inches. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Sat Jul 8 13:38:11 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:38:11 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Shoshone Geyser Basin, 05 July Message-ID: <44B0F599@webmail.colostate.edu> I visited Shoshone Geyser Basin on 05 July. Findings are as follows: I saw two eruptions of Frill Spring. For at least 23 minutes prior to the first eruption, the pool was heavily agitated and the pool burst to 1-3 feet, gathering strength as the eruption approached. The little drinking fountain vent next to the crater was in a powerful steam/spray eruption to 4 feet, while the little hole next to it sputtered. After the first eruption, water drained several feet down in the crater. It slowly rose, boiling violently. When it reached overflow 18 minutes later, the second eruption occurred. It was about 20-25 feet high. After the second eruption, events proceeded as before, but when the third eruption seemed imminent, 22 minutes later, the boiling suddenly stopped and the crater went completely quiet. The water drained down 2.5 feet. Over the next few hours it rose slowly, with at least one powerful roiling overflow but no further eruptions. Typically Frill Spring erupts in series every 5 days, with series lasting around 8 hours and around 15-20 minutes between individual eruptions. This activity was distinctly different. It probably represents an aborted series. Bead Geyser was nicely active, with intervals of 70-100 minutes and durations of just under 2 minutes. Double Geyser was active, with two intervals of ~60 and 80 minutes. Other geysers seen active were: Trailside, Soap Kettle, Little Bulger's side vent, Minute Man, Minute Man's Pool (minors to 4 feet), Gourd and Shield, Iron Conch, Mangled Crater, Knobby, and an unnamed geyser south of Flake Spring. The Hydra is almost certainly active (fresh wash) but was not seen. Meander Geyser was dormant. I have not seen it erupt for a few years now. Union Geyser and all vents to the east were drained to alarming depths. The water level in Union is at around -6 feet in the main cone, -4 feet in the north cone. Sea Green pool is at -4 feet and was actually periodic (though I do not regard this as a positive sign). Vents north and west of Union were active at fair levels, with flow from one ponding on the trail. Slosh Geyser is probably dormant (no recent wash), though it is hot, clear, and splashed a little during long pauses in Knobby's activity. Lion Geyser may have been active but was not seen. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Sat Jul 8 13:51:18 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Gibbon Geyser Basin, 03 July Message-ID: <44B0FE3B@webmail.colostate.edu> Phoenix Geyser is active, with one duration timed at an 83 minutes. At Geyser Creek, Avalanche Geyser was active as usual. The steam vent under the large rock between the geyser and Geyser Creek was also active. I was able to confirm, during 2 hours of observation, that the steam vent's eruptions are NOT related to those of Avalanche. Its intervals are regular, but are just a little longer than Avalanche's, so that they occur progressively later and later in Avalanche's cycle as time passes. Subterranean Blue Mud Geyser was also weakly active, cycling every 2 minutes. Tiny Geyser, Anthill Geyser, and the UNNG in the black pool next to the sand pile upstream from Anthill (how about "Sand Pile Geyser"?) all looked dormant. Bullseye Spring was splashing to 3 feet as usual. Bat Pool was also boiling as usual, and the bats are in residence. Bone Spring is ebbed 4.5 inches. Its water level seems to be rising slowly from year to year. I also found an old tree stump, perhaps 100-200 feet from the lower margin of the thermal area. The stump was steaming. It was 8 inches across, flush with the ground, and had a temperature of 169F at a depth of 4 inches. However, the activity didn't look thermal. Perhaps lightning had struck the stump and ignited the roots, which were still smoldering underground. Weird. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Sat Jul 8 13:53:17 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:53:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Logbridge Geyser Message-ID: <44B0FF43@webmail.colostate.edu> On July 6th, we obtained a 69 minute closed interval on Logbridge Geyser in the White Creek Group. The eruptions were short, around 40 seconds, and 8 feet high. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Sat Jul 8 14:17:26 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:17:26 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Three geysers of note Message-ID: <44B113B9@webmail.colostate.edu> I suspect that most changes in geyser activity are caused entirely by changes in the subsurface water and heat flow patterns, not by changes in the plumbing system. Why do I say this? Changes in flow patterns are reversible. Thus, geyser like Plume, Giant, Fan and Mortar, etc. can enter dormant phases and then recover to erupt on precisely the same patterns as before. Changes in the plumbing systems (blowing out constrictions, plugging channels, etc.) are not reversible. Typically these involve the expulsion of sand, gravel, or larger blocks of sinter. The formation of Plume's lower (largest) vent, the destruction of the former "Pathetic Little Hole," post-1959 Sapphire Pool, all represent permanent, irreversible changes. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu >I have been thinking about Echinus and there are a couple of questions I have to throw out-- seems like this geyser currently has plenty of water but (?) has gradually lost its heat source-- Or is it possible that it has damaged itself like Excelsior and Monarch are speculated to have done to themselves?... I wondered this since Norris is the hottest basin in the Park and is likely to still have plenty of heat. > Mario Durrant > > ************** > Quite a number of years ago we ran into a ranger on a visit to Norris, at the time when Echinus was first having it's problems. He said that there was a new feature above Echinus that had a very, very low ph- low even for Norris. It was running off down into Echinus' pool, and his theory was that the acidity was eating away Echinus' throat, thus robbing it of it's ability to build pressure to erupt. From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 8 16:20:21 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:20:21 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Sand Point report Message-ID: <2de.91fcf09.31e197b5@aol.com> All went well, and we all wish the Steve and Tonya the very best for all of the future... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Wedding%201%20hour%20later.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 26847 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060708/5253f21a/attachment.jpg> From r.keam at auckland.ac.nz Sat Jul 8 17:25:07 2006 From: r.keam at auckland.ac.nz (Ron Keam) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:25:07 +1200 Subject: [Geysers] Three geysers of note In-Reply-To: <44B113B9@webmail.colostate.edu> References: <44B113B9@webmail.colostate.edu> Message-ID: I would agree with Jeff's comment, judging from my own experience with geysers in New Zealand. Examples: Rotomahana lake has no natural surface outflow. Its water level is therefore controlled by rainfall and evaporation and percolation. As its water level rises and falls in response to rainfall patterns particular suites of geysers along the lake margin become active or become dormant. and the suites are consistent - perhaps with some delay in becoming re-established when there has been prolonged dormancy. (Such delay can be attributed to the rising water needing to heat sufficiently the rock with which it is coming into contact.) At Orakeikorako, the sinter-covered flat known as "Artists' Palette" has of order 60 to 70 vents in it. Many of these from time to time become discharging springs and even geysers, and usually these active features are grouped. At any given time the water level varies from place to place under the flat and with the progress of time the higher portions move their locations. I am not aware of any project having been undertaken to study why this is so. Sometimes almost the whole flat has water discharging from the features, and at other times the discharging features are very limited in extent. Significant redistributions of heat flow have been apparent in portions of New Zealand thermal areas, this is indicated by vegetation becoming prolific or dying off in particular places. I am personally aware of this having happened at two places at Waimangu. One very large area which supported very little vegetation on "Rainbow Mountain" (Waiotapu thermal area) before the 1886 Tarawera eruption is now well covered, and it is now hard to see the coloured earth from which the feature received its name. Ron Keam >I suspect that most changes in geyser activity are caused entirely by changes >in the subsurface water and heat flow patterns, not by changes in the plumbing >system. > >Why do I say this? > >Changes in flow patterns are reversible. Thus, geyser like Plume, Giant, Fan >and Mortar, etc. can enter dormant phases and then recover to erupt on >precisely the same patterns as before. > >Changes in the plumbing systems (blowing out constrictions, plugging channels, >etc.) are not reversible. Typically these involve the expulsion of sand, >gravel, or larger blocks of sinter. The formation of Plume's lower (largest) >vent, the destruction of the former "Pathetic Little Hole," post-1959 Sapphire >Pool, all represent permanent, irreversible changes. > >Jeff Cross >jacross at lamar.colostate.edu > >>I have been thinking about Echinus and there are a couple of questions I have >to throw out-- seems like this geyser currently has plenty of water but (?) >has gradually lost its heat source-- Or is it possible that it has damaged >itself like Excelsior and Monarch are speculated to have done to >themselves?... I wondered this since Norris is the hottest basin in the Park >and is likely to still have plenty of heat. >> Mario Durrant >> >> ************** >> Quite a number of years ago we ran into a ranger on a visit to Norris, at >the time when Echinus was first having it's problems. He said that there was a >new feature above Echinus that had a very, very low ph- low even for Norris. >It was running off down into Echinus' pool, and his theory was that the >acidity was eating away Echinus' throat, thus robbing it of it's ability to >build pressure to erupt. > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -- ##################### Ron Keam The Physics Department The University of Auckland Private Bag 92-019 Auckland New Zealand Phone +64 9 373-7599 extension 87931 FAX +64 9 373-7445 EMail r.keam at auckland.ac.nz ##################### From CrosCa at wwc.edu Sun Jul 9 11:14:24 2006 From: CrosCa at wwc.edu (Carlton Cross) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] More About Nonsense Message-ID: \Well, while we're correcting geyser knowledge (why Echinus ain't what it used to be), I can no longer resist spouting off about the thing that bugs me. The statement, "...thus robbing it of it's ability to build pressure to erupt," is also pure nonsense. Geysers do not build up pressure before erupting. In fact, the eruption is started by a pressure drop. There are two obvious processes involved in an eruption. First, inside a geyser, the hydrostatic pressure increases with depth just as it does in a swimming pool. Water at depth can be hotter than the boiling point at the surface because the boiling point increases as pressure increases. (That's why things get hotter and cook faster in a pressure cooker.) Thus, if the water at some depth gets to the boiling point and continues rising, it will start to boil just above that depth because the pressure will be just a little bit lower. The boiling will then produce bubbles which will push off water above that point which, in turn, further reduces the pressure below. If the water below is hot enough, it will then boil to keep the eruption going. Second, when water passes through a constriction the velocity increases which causes the static pressure to drop. Thus, when water that is close to boiling passes through a constriction, it will boil on the outlet side. In both cases, the steam pushes itself and the remaining water out of the vent. Since the volume of the steam is about 1600 times greater than the volume of the water that vaporized, it can develop considerable velocity to make room for itself. Clearly, it does take pressure to push the water and steam upward during an eruption. Where does the pressure come from? A geyser such as Old Faithful that is known to have a long nearly vertical tube is probably the easiest to understand. As the hot water rises it pushes off cooler water until the top of the column reaches the boiling point at the surface pressure (atmospheric pressure). As soon as bubbles start forming, the pressure below will be decrease slightly. If the water below is hot enough, it will be above its boiling point when the static pressure drops and will also boil, thus forming more bubbles. Heat from the water causes the steam to expand, which pushes off more water. In this way, the boiling action at the surface of the water will keep the eruption going while it drops down the tube. Since the steam is pushing against water that has been held at pressure below the water above, it must move upward rather than downward. Thus, the pressure of the steam can be as great as the pre-eruptive hydrostatic pressure at the depth of the boiling surface, but no greater. Otherwise, the boiling will stop. However, steam at the previous hydrostatic pressure can push up a rather tall column of water and steam. If the boiling surface is 10 feet below the outlet, the steam pressure can be as high as 10 feet of water, or about 1/3 atmosphere. That is plent of pressure to push up a good column of water. Jeff and I have data from our model geysers showing this process very clearly. Although natural geysers are much more complex than our models, there's little reason to think that the models are misleading. One more point relates to the height variation during an eruption of Old Faithful. First, it clears out the top water and pushes up to its maximum height which it holds briefly. Then, the height gradually decreases. Since the boiling level is dropping to depths where the pressure was greater, shouldn't the height increase because of the higher steam pressure? I think it would except that the steam has to push through a longer length of the tube. Since the tube is rough, there is considerable drag which decreases the exit velocity as the distance increases. At least for me, the gradual decrease of the height is what I expect. Because Beehive holds its height much longer, I speculate that it erupts from a relatively shallow water chamber through a shorter tube. Thus, the height doesn't drop until the remaining water in the chamber is cooled by boiling off its steam. An eruption from a chamber and short tube is also consistent with the higher proportion of steam in Beehive's column. (I don't remember how much has been determined about Beehive's plumbing, but I suppose my theory could get shot down.) At any rate, the next time you hear that a geyser is building up pressure to erupt, just close you ears. I'll be more likely to shout "NONSENSE," but that's not such a good idea. Carlton Cross From jereb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 9 11:30:39 2006 From: jereb at earthlink.net (Jere Bush) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Sand point later Message-ID: <4170-22006709183039365@earthlink.net> from Jere Bush Scott, Could I have this again as an attachment? Still cannot find a way to see embedded photos. TIA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: geysers at wwc.edu Sent: 7/8/2006 5:28:58 PM Subject: [Geysers] Sand point later ... about one hour later, actually, we came to recognize them... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060709/5e4e21be/attachment.html> From riozafiro at comcast.net Sun Jul 9 11:35:49 2006 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:35:49 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] More About Nonsense In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <994F6919-3B94-49D7-BC4B-BA6FD4927889@comcast.net> Thank you, Carlton, for the excellent clarification on this issue. Much appreciated. Pat S. On Jul 9, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Carlton Cross wrote: > \Well, while we're correcting geyser knowledge (why Echinus ain't > what it used to be), I can no longer resist spouting off about the > thing that bugs me. The statement, "...thus robbing it of it's > ability to build pressure to erupt," is also pure nonsense. > Geysers do not build up pressure before erupting. In fact, the > eruption is started by a pressure drop. From lmfrock at one.net Sun Jul 9 19:50:01 2006 From: lmfrock at one.net (Lynn Frock) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:50:01 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Sand point later References: <4170-22006709183039365@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601c6a3cb$8c380d10$105e17d8@DESKTOP3GHZ> Can someone help me with how to join this forum? I never post but read every day and I can't remember how I joined. Someone I know wants to join Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jere Bush To: geyser observation reports Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Sand point later from Jere Bush Scott, Could I have this again as an attachment? Still cannot find a way to see embedded photos. TIA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: geysers at wwc.edu Sent: 7/8/2006 5:28:58 PM Subject: [Geysers] Sand point later ... about one hour later, actually, we came to recognize them... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060709/1550f42e/attachment.html> From lauriebr at netw.com Sun Jul 9 20:48:07 2006 From: lauriebr at netw.com (Laurie Brown) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:48:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] More About Nonsense References: Message-ID: <004101c6a3d3$a8d84310$b636b2d8@memoria> > \Well, while we're correcting geyser knowledge (why Echinus ain't what it > used to be), I can no longer resist spouting off about the thing that bugs > me. The statement, "...thus robbing it of it's ability to build pressure > to erupt," is also pure nonsense. Geysers do not build up pressure > before erupting. In fact, the eruption is started by a pressure drop. > At any rate, the next time you hear that a geyser is building up pressure > to erupt, just close you ears. I'll be more likely to shout "NONSENSE," > but that's not such a good idea. > > Carlton Cross Hey, I was just repeating what the ranger was telling a bunch of us standing around at Echinus. Could we all take up a collection to buy copies of T.Scott's book for the rangers at the geyser basins? Great explanation, BTW. Thanks! Laurie, Dark Phoenix lauriebr at netw.com Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; give him a freshly-charged Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again. -- Tanuki From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jul 10 05:40:47 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:40:47 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Sand point later Message-ID: <56d.149963f.31e3a4cf@aol.com> In a message dated 7/9/2006 7:22:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, jereb at earthlink.net writes: from Jere Bush Scott, Could I have this again as an attachment? Still cannot find a way to see embedded photos. TIA Here goes the attempt -- I thought I'd attached this, but... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060710/0e62d26f/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob has pictures of the full, overflowing very red crater and speaks about not seeing any activity from it at all. Just like the hot period during the "disturbance" activity around Porkchop in 2003. It has happened before! It will most likely happen again. Norris Geyser Basin is the most dynamic and changing basin in the Park. It isn't stagnant and predictable. When things "change" there, it isn't necessarily "new" activity. So, before we all go diving off into the case of "OH MY! Something incredible and new is happening at Norris" platform.... go back and read some of the history of Norris and see what has gone on in the past. Thanks for letting me step up on the soapbox. Take Care, Smokey > From service at snapfish.com Mon Jul 10 09:34:27 2006 From: service at snapfish.com (Becky Kraegel) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Iceland Photos Message-ID: <17243287.1152549267136.JavaMail.dev@ukn9.snapfish.com> A friend of mine just returned from a trip to Iceland. She's not a member-she's never even been to Yellowstone. But I was able to impress upon her the significance of taking pictures of thermal areas for me. Here's her album, of just thermal stuff, on Snapfish. You have to sign up and get a password to view it, but it only takes a second and they have never spammed me. I think you'll enjoy them. Becky Woodstock, GA --------------------------------------------------- Get FREE 4x6 prints from my album(s)!* View my photos! 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Just click the "order prints" button while viewing my photos to place an order. *First-time customers only. http://www.snapfish.com/infothreefree/otsc=SYE/otsi=SALB Snapfish - the best value in photography. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060710/74340939/attachment.html> From CrosCa at wwc.edu Mon Jul 10 17:16:22 2006 From: CrosCa at wwc.edu (Carlton Cross) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] More About Nonsense Message-ID: This is a relay from Ron Keam. (Because the Internet gods were in a bad mood when his original was launched.) Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator From: Ron Keam It has been documented in Yellowstone that certain hot springs will erupt when a large animal falls into them and gets cooked. Scalloped Spring is the best example of this, but I have heard that it happened at Solitary Geyser (in that case increasing the power of the eruptions above normal) and at other springs. Perhaps the fat from the boiled animal forms a layer on top of the water and holds the heat in, allowing eruptions to occur. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu >When soap was introduced, the vent above the water surface quickly filled with a mass of soap-suds, and thus it remained, with occasional upward surges of suds, for the twenty minutes. In my opinion the suds formed an "insulating layer" above the water surface, reducing the churning and preventing the previously steadily boiling water from releasing the steam directly into the atmosphere, and thus trapping the heat within the suds and the water below. The reduced churning would allow temperatures to rise gradually in the top of the water column within the vent. Eventually water would reach boiling temperature at lower depths in the column, and when sufficiently vigorous boiling resulted there, projecting water out, pressures further down still would momentarily reduce, and the runaway eruption would be initiated. So, Wairoa, I think, is an example of heat-trap triggering. (It is an interesting fact that when it was >soaped very little of the (sudsy) water was expelled from this geyser before the eruption started.) > >Ron Keam > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From caverns at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 19:07:17 2006 From: caverns at gmail.com (caverns) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:07:17 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Iceland geyser maps Message-ID: <523a607b0607101907j401cbd4bh7b8712c8b104bb01@mail.gmail.com> During my last trip to Iceland in 2003, I sketched the geyser fields I visited. I have placed most of these drafts online at: http://geyserworld.com/maps/iceland.htm Eventually, I will publish something more descriptive and update these maps. Until then, I hope someone finds these useful. Alan Alan Glennon UCSB Geography From caros at aros.net Mon Jul 10 20:10:40 2006 From: caros at aros.net (Karen Webb) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:10:40 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Kudos to Xanterra Message-ID: <44B316B0.2000201@aros.net> Hoping Mike Keller might be reading, as I couldn't dig up his direct address from past posts... Since we complained so vociferously last year about the abysmal conditions during both our Old Faithful Lodge cabins stay (July) and Snow Lodge cabins stay (August) last year, thought it behooved us to compliment as vociferously this year. We stayed in the Snow Lodge cabins. Either someone took our suggestions about training personnel seriously or by dumb luck they got an exceptionally good crew this year. Our housekeeping service was excellent and the desk staff were courteous and helpful and, to a one, seemed to have adopted the idea that the customer is always right rather than that the customer is always wrong. The one time we had to mention that our dirty towels were being taken out but not replaced, they actually acknowledged that it was housekeeping's fault rather than ours (blaming the customer has been the de rigeur response in past years for problems like this, at least over at the OFLodge -- you slept too late, you left the linens where it wasn't clear you wanted them exchanged, etc, etc, ad nauseum). Now if we could just get Delaware North to get over the attitude that the basic four food groups are booze, chips, Twinkies, and soda... Webbs (PS -- not quite fair on that last -- Canyon had a very nice selection of stuff including good produce, but it was a shock to see that the store formerly known as Lower Ham's had pulled its stock of produce completely and that Upper Ham's had reduced its produce area to one the size of a postage stamp.) -- Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered Robe of Light. From caros at aros.net Mon Jul 10 20:32:34 2006 From: caros at aros.net (Karen Webb) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:32:34 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Boulder Spring and Artemesia Message-ID: <44B31BD2.3000907@aros.net> Just two thoughts for people who might have the time to spend with a short research project: 1) Boulder Spring (S-SW of Ojo Caliente), described variously as being a perpetual spouter and as having a second vent that exhibits periodic behavior, might be worth a look. The day we did the River Group area, it was definitely putting up an eruptive (ie, pulsatile) steam could; by the time we got to it, everything had ceased except for a small bit of post-eruptive steam. Observed from the Fountain overlook, the cloud was definitely not the consistent one of a typical perpetual spouter but definitely waxed and waned. I'd like to spend some time out there when we return in August, but in the meantime it might make a nice little article for Sput or the upcoming Transactions. 2) I guess all the Artemesia watchers are aware that Artemesia is kind of a mess to try and catch this year. Had two observations on this. One is, to look at the data logger data Ralph has posted on the GOSA site, there seems to be a definite cyclicity to the intervals, at least in the last few months (meaning if you look at the graph, instead of the eruptions being completely random, they tend to be long interval followed by one or two intervals somewhere around the mean/median/distributive norm, then a short interval, followed by one or two around the "central tendency" figure followed by a long. I wondered if someone who's sharper with statistics than I could make something of this? Two, I've noticed that when Artemesia's intervals are longer or goofier, nearby Pinto and Calthos are higher and (at least in Pinto's case) hotter, while the reverse has seemed to be true in years that Artemesia's intervals have been shorter. (Definite informal observation by an Artemesia-o-phile!) I thought I remembered a project Cathy Nist undertook where she tossed a substance (I'm thinking an isotope of strontium or iodine?) into Splended to see how long it would take to appear in Daisy. I imagine this would take a whole lot of paperwork if permission could even be obtained, but I've wondered if work could be done on the possible underground connections amongst the three features. (Also curious if anyone else has noticed this tendency or if the fact that I noticed it just meant I got too bored waiting for Artemesia...) Isn't anybody going to post info about that Giant eruption on the 3rd? Thomas Barger and David Monteith invested a whole bunch of hours watching the Grotto group that morning and afternoon (based on Grotto Fountain looking like it would start...and looking...and looking...) GF's eventual start led Grotto by less than a minute (so, not a great GF), but the Grotto was (I was told) the first non-marathon since Giant had last erupted on 6/17. Kitt saw some behavior out of the Giant group (like Mastiff leading the actual start of a hot period) that made her tell me "You'll be back!" when I headed off to Grand. Two thunderstorms were kind enough to split and go around the Upper Basin, one in each direction, and of course the eventual Giant eruption and the hot period leading into it got Tara's inimitable, enthusiastic commentary. Please could some of you guys give details? Karen -- Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered Robe of Light. From obrien at rush.aero.org Tue Jul 11 10:58:54 2006 From: obrien at rush.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] More About Nonsense In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:42:41 CDT." <44B27571.1040804@weststartv.com> Message-ID: <200607111758.k6BHws920031@rushe.aero.org> Smokey sez: > Just like the hot period during the "disturbance" activity around > Porkchop in 2003. It has happened before! It will most likely happen > again. I still obsess over this. I have always wondered why, if this sort of disturbance has occurred before, it was necessary to close the basin. I talked to a ranger who was there and she said it was because visitors expected trails to be safe and weren't prepared to have their feet scorched by high ground temperatures, which is what was happening. The answer I came up with sounds really dumb, but I'm starting to believe it. I mean, one explanation is that the Park Service is just following the rest of U.S. society along the "eliminating all danger eliminates all liability" path, but I resist that. Let's take it that the proximate reason they closed the basin was due to visitor complaints of foot-scorching. Anyone who knows different, please post. So, why were people getting their feet burned this time, but not the last time things got this hot? I think it's because footwear has changed. I think that modern sneakers are much more comfy than what people used to wear, but are much worse at thermal insulation. Some very real foot blisters would be likely reason enough to close the basin even if the people in charge did know these sorts of ground temperatures had occurred before. I don't think people were getting burned before. Therefore I think we can expect more closures in the future, at least until a future generation of footwear displays better thermal insulation. FWIW back in 1966 I owned one pair of shoes I found I couldn't wear on the streets of Tucson, where I spent that summer, because the sidewalks burned my feet right through the soles. They were made of some sort of synthetic: quite thick but terrible insulators. My other pairs of shoes, no problem. Mike O'Brien From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 11 15:56:32 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:56:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Electronic logbooks and Miscellaneous (Stephens) Message-ID: I just sent the electronic versions of the OFVC logbooks for 1996 and 1995 to Don Might for posting on the GOSA website. Hopefully I attached the correct files and the files were complete. They should be available for your perusal in a few days. Answers to two questions I've been asked recently: 1. Size of Great Fountain's crater--according to Marler, the dimensions are 13.5 x 19.5 feet and it had been plumbed to a depth of 42 feet. 2. RV's running generators in parking lots: Quiet hours, 10 pm to 6 am apply but other wise there are no prohibitions against running generators in parking lots. Reporting geyser times: I would encourage you to report any geyser time you have. Recording even just one time for a particular geyser will tell researchers 50 years from now that "Yes, that geyser was active that day, week, or month." Lemon Spring: In all my trips to Great Fountain Geyser, I had always seen Lemon Spring full and overflowing. This morning when I went out for the morning eruption of Great Fountain, Lemon Spring was down below overflow about 4 inches. After Fountain's eruption, when I went back to try to get the start of Pink Cone (I was too late and Pink Cone was ie), Lemon Spring had refilled to overflow. Thad and Pat Nelson arrived yesterday and will be here through early August and will be doing the daytime Great Fountain eruptions. It's certainly good to have them back this year. I'm leaving the Park this evening to take my week's vacation from the geysers. I'll be in the Old Faithful area part of that week, but will have my 4-year-old granddaughter with me so won't be doing much geyser gazing. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From r.keam at auckland.ac.nz Tue Jul 11 17:29:47 2006 From: r.keam at auckland.ac.nz (Ron Keam) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:29:47 +1200 Subject: [Geysers] Heat Traps In-Reply-To: <44B7F04A@webmail.colostate.edu> References: <44B7F04A@webmail.colostate.edu> Message-ID: This specific effect has been reported in New Zealand as well. I remember having read that an eruption of Parekohoru at Whakarewarewa was precipitated by too many food baskets having been introduced when a Xmas dinner was being cooked in it by the Maori people (about 1900-1905). Normally Parekohoru is a crypto-geyser, but on that occasion it became a real one. Ron Keam >It has been documented in Yellowstone that certain hot springs will erupt when >a large animal falls into them and gets cooked. Scalloped Spring is the best >example of this, but I have heard that it happened at Solitary Geyser (in that >case increasing the power of the eruptions above normal) and at other springs. > >Perhaps the fat from the boiled animal forms a layer on top of the water and >holds the heat in, allowing eruptions to occur. > >Jeff Cross >jacross at lamar.colostate.edu > -- ##################### Ron Keam The Physics Department The University of Auckland Private Bag 92-019 Auckland New Zealand Phone +64 9 373-7599 extension 87931 FAX +64 9 373-7445 EMail r.keam at auckland.ac.nz ##################### From upperbasin at comcast.net Tue Jul 11 18:53:25 2006 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:53:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c6a555$f71ca290$6600a8c0@GIANT> Two notes. Lynne mentioned lemon springs. I'll have to dig through my books, but there was one year (2001?) in which this feature was seen well below overflow on several occasions. It was probably noted in the geyser listserv at the time. Re Mike O'Brien's question about hot trails and what the NPS used to do. In 1973 we arrived at Norris when a disturbance was underway. The naturalist told us the following: "The back basin trail is great right now - but look out for some hot springs that broke out in the middle of the trail, okay?" We said okay, and sure enough there were some small hot springs in the middle of the trail. The naturalist was also right about something else - it WAS great. Paul S. From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Jul 11 19:14:48 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:14:48 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Kudos to Xanterra Message-ID: <231.dc75241.31e5b518@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/2006 6:13:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, caros at aros.net writes: Now if we could just get Delaware North to get over the attitude that the basic four food groups are booze, chips, Twinkies, and soda... Webbs (PS -- not quite fair on that last -- Just remember that the initials of Delaware North Corporation (DNC) actually stand for Does Not Care. TSB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060711/a6c7319c/attachment.html> From mabdepot at msn.com Tue Jul 11 23:08:23 2006 From: mabdepot at msn.com (MA Bellingham) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:08:23 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Lemon Drops In-Reply-To: <000901c6a555$f71ca290$6600a8c0@GIANT> Message-ID: In about 1997 I recall Great Fountain-Meister Mike Thompson describing Lemon Spring as "in eruption" when it would have those periodic drops and overflows. I also recall a VERY memorable Paul Strasser comment about describing geysers in the mode of their eruptions, Lemon Drops, and Rift Sucks. Later, MA MA Bellingham mabdepot at msn.com From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 00:16:24 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:16:24 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Morning!?! Message-ID: Big thank you to Steve E. for posting the details of the unusual eruptions of Fountain and Morning on July 6. I managed to get one picture of Morning before the eruption ended, and you can see it at the following link: http://students.washington.edu/tmc22/Morning.html Sorry, no exciting video this time.... --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 03:08:13 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:08:13 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant details - Part 1 Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross My apologies that this report is more than a week late--I did not have Internet access until I returned home from the park. I spent a great deal of time in the Giant area starting on June 28, so my report is quite extensive. I am therefore breaking it into 3 parts. Part 1 -- Activity at Grotto/Giant, June 27-July 2 June 27 0713 Giant hot period, d~6m. India 80%. 0719 Oblong 0904 Giant hot period, d~4m. 1026 Giant hot period, d~9m. Mastiff 5 feet, India 100% 1112 Grotto Fountain 1126 Grotto - marathon, unknown duration (ended overnight) 1152 Giant hot period, d=2m22s. 1221 Oblong 1324 Giant hot period, d=3m40s. 1503 Bathtub A Grotto marathon had ended at some unknown time overnight. We weren't absolutely sure, but it is likely that the 0713 hot period was not the first after the end of Grotto. June 28 0613 Giant hot period, d=9m45s. M4, India 100%. Post-marathon hot period. 0854 Oblong 1122 Giant hot period, d=7m02s. Mastiff 4 feet, India 80% 1354 Oblong 1356 Giant hot period, d=6m44s. Mastiff 3 feet 1504ie Grotto Fountain 1505 Bathtub 1516 Grotto, d~5m 1600 Giant hot period, d=9m40s. Mastiff 4 feet, Cave 6 inches 1659 Bathtub 1720 Grotto Fountain 1731 Grotto, d>4h (not a marathon) 1816 Giant hot period, d=2m08s. 1948 Giant hot period, d=1m42s. 2009 Oblong Based on observations made at Grotto in the early morning hours, and the timing of the post-marathon hot period, Grotto had been off for quite some time when gazers got there at 0500. Lynn and I were discussing how there really was no logical explanation for how long Grotto was off, so we were watching Giant closely. I was encouraged by the four strong hot periods throughout the day, but for whatever reason Giant did not manage to erupt. We thought the 1731 Grotto would be a marathon--it was still going the last time it was checked at 2130--but it was clear the next morning that it had simply been a rather long non-marathon (duration probably 4.5-5 hours). June 29 0538 Grotto Fountain 0550 Grotto - marathon, unknown duration (ended overnight) 0631ie Giant hot period 0744 Giant hot period, d=8m12s. Mastiff 4 feet, India 95% 0910 Bathtub 1102 Oblong June 30 0711ns Oblong 0728 Giant hot period, d=5m23s. Post-marathon GHP. 1105 Giant hot period, d=9m25s. Mastiff 7 feet 1131ns Grotto Fountain, d>30m. 1156 Grotto (took 10 minutes to start) 1207 Giant hot period, d~2m30s. 1327 Oblong 1441 Giant hot period, d=5m09s. Mastiff 1 foot 1733 Giant hot period, d=2m59s. 1928 Giant hot period, d~8m30s. 2122 Giant hot period, d~3m. 2202 Grotto - marathon The 0728 post-marathon hot period was disappointingly weak. Mastiff did not boil much and the runoff got only the outskirts of India damp. The follow-up hot period at, which came before the next Grotto, was impressive, however. Mastiff reached 7 feet high within the first 3 minutes, but after the 4-minute mark it did not surge steadily and only reached about 4 feet. After the hot period, I saw Grotto Fountain near start at 1131. At 1146, the first spits of water came out the large hole in the back of Grotto's cone. At 1147 the first small push of overflow came out. At 1152 there was a bigger surge that increased the overflow slightly. Finally at 1156 there was a cone-filling surge, but it did not send water shooting out of the holes like usual. As I described it at the time, Grotto oozed into eruption. Grotto Fountain ended at 1201 for a duration of at least 30 minutes. Grotto had a pretty normal duration--I did not write it down, however. July 1 0619 Oblong 1055ie Oblong 1331 Giant hot period, d=9m06s. Mastiff 4 feet, India 70% 1542 Oblong 1929 Giant hot period, d=8m48s. Mastiff 3 feet 2013 Oblong (mid-cycle boiling seen by J. Thomson) 2223ie Grotto (started 2210-2215) - marathon, d~15h July 2 0603 Oblong 1234 Oblong ~1315 Grotto off 1723 Oblong 1756 Giant hot period, d=9m55s. Mastiff 3 feet, India 75% ----- To correct some misinformation that was apparently given to Karen Webb, there were several non-marathon eruptions of Grotto between June 27 and July 3, and these can be seen in the above listing. I cannot speak for anything prior to June 27, since I was not in the park. It is true that Grotto was having a lot of marathons, and the eruptions that were not marathons were often abnormal in some way. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 04:35:03 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:35:03 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant details - Part 2 Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross Part 2 - Activity at Grotto/Giant on July 3 prior to the eruption After major storms moved through overnight, gazers were not eager to get up in the cloudy dawn to check Giant. The first person to venture down-basin was Thomas Barger, who at 0700 reported that Grotto was off and Giant had not erupted overnight. From this time on, gazers observed a lot of weird activity in the Giant/Grotto area. There are a lot of details; I will try to report them as fully and accurately as possible. After his initial reports, Thomas stayed in the Grotto area. Since we did not know what Grotto had done overnight, we could only guess that Grotto might be getting close to erupting, because at 0711, Thomas reported that Grotto Fountain was overflowing and boiling. Then he called South Grotto Fountain at 0714, and it quickly became apparent that something wasn't right. Spa had risen to overflow after Thomas's arrival, and he saw it have one burst to 5 feet at 0715. >From that time on, Spa was full and pulsating, and South Grotto Fountain continued to erupt at intervals of 7-15 minutes (except once when it had a 30-minute interval). When Dave Monteith arrived, he noted that Grotto Fountain was overflowing when South Grotto Fountain was not erupting, and at these times the Indicator Spring was also high. The water level in Grotto Fountain and the Indicator Spring would begin to drop before the eruption of South Grotto Fountain began, and likewise begin to rise before South Grotto Fountain had ended. The Indicator Spring never dropped more than 4 inches. Grotto Fountain put out enough water to fill its runoff channel for most of the day. Thomas called the first observed hot period of the day at 0737, which lasted 8m15s and covered 85% of India. Mastiff surged to as much as 5 feet, but the thing that got us really interested was that Cave vent had a full eruption to 3 feet starting about 4 minutes into the hot period. This was a fairly major change from the hot periods seen in the previous week; Cave had never done more than bubble to a few inches. After the hot period, Dave and Thomas returned to wait for Grotto Fountain. Oblong erupted at 0814, and at 0934 Skip Manry observed a bathtub at Giant. After this, most gazers moved to either Grand or Beehive--it took us a while to figure out that things weren't just weird at Grotto, they were weird at Giant, too. After the bathtub, Bijou came on very strong with mixed water and steam, and Mastiff was depth charging energetically. From 1000 on, Dave and Thomas observed that there was occasional gurgling in Grotto, and sometimes a visible splash or two. Then gazers at Grand noticed that Bijou was off, and Thomas called that Feather was i.e. at 1029. The duration of the hot period was at least 3 minutes, but from Grand it appeared that Mastiff never got higher than 1 foot. After Grand, many gazers moved to Geyser Hill to wait for Beehive, leaving only Dave and Thomas in the Giant/Grotto area. Around 1100 there was another boiling episode in Grotto Fountain, but it did not lead to anything. Then at around 1135 Thomas noticed that Bijou was off and rushed over to Giant. When he arrived, Feather had already shut off. He reported that India was about 75% covered, and then called a Feather restart at 1140. The restart was short, but Giant had a vertical, cone-filling surge--in fact, it was so large that Dave could see water over the top of Giant's cone from where he was standing at Grotto Fountain. The duration of the hot period remains a mystery, but it couldn't have been more than 5 mintues or so, because Dave and Thomas had been keeping an eye on Bijou. Despite this big hint that we should be watching Giant closely, we still hadn?t quite caught on to the fact that there were hot periods occurring hourly at Giant. So, after gazers returned to Giant from Beehive, Feather was once again seen i.e. at 1238 by Julie Thomson, who was hurrying to Oblong. She saw the high water in the GIP as she passed by and called the hot period in progress, so the duration was unknown. Based on the lack of overflow from Mastiff, it was probably in the 1-3 minute range. After the hot period I went to Oblong and watched a fill, then returned to Grotto Fountain where it was still having its back-and-forth battle with South Grotto Fountain. From this time on I was watching Bijou carefully, and it continued as it had been all morning--erupting powerfully with mixed water and steam. As I was hoofing it back to Oblong for the next fill, I took one more glance at Bijou and saw that it was off. So, I did a U-turn back to the Giant platform to find water rising in Mastiff. The Southwest Vents began at 1338.40, and Feather began at 1339.18. Mastiff boiled to a few inches and put out a tiny bit of overflow. The duration was 2m10s. Afterwards, the powerful Bijou and depth charging in Mastiff resumed. Oblong had also erupted at 1338, so I went back to Grotto Fountain, where there was a boiling episode at around 1400, but once again, nothing further happened. With the next Bijou pause, water was rising in Mastiff again. The Southwest Vents started at 1440.45 and Feather was on at 1441.15. Mastiff boiled to about 6 inches and put out a small amount of overflow that barely trickled off of the platform. Cave bubbled to about 3 inches. The duration of Feather was 4m33s. I went back to Grotto Fountain and watched yet another boiling episode around 1520, and once again it cycled back down without erupting. Just about the time I was thinking that it was time to return to Giant for the next hot period, I noticed from Grotto that Bijou had paused. As I hurried towards Giant, gazers waiting at Giant were surprised to see a sudden surge from Mastiff. It appeared to come mainly from the back vent and was sustained to half the height of Giant's cone for at least 5-7 seconds. Kitt Barger described it as a white wall of water 6-8 feet wide and 4-5 feet tall, holding there long enough for her to spring up from a reclined position and observe it before the water level dropped again. Her comment afterwards was, "I thought Mastiff was just going to start erupting, right then, without a hot period." Then water was seen rising in Mastiff--normally. Once again the Southwest Vents preceded feather by about 30 seconds, and the hot period started at 1533. The duration was just 58s, and Mastiff did not overflow. Starting after this hot period, the depth charging in Mastiff was so strong that the back vent was throwing a sizeable amount of water over its front rim. Bijou continued its powerful play. After the hot period, Grotto Fountain had a strong boiling episode, and this one finally led to an eruption at 1547. The eruption was relatively weak, reaching only 20 feet, and lasted only 5 minutes. At 1548, Grotto started normally. The next hot period was at 1633, with the Southwest Vents starting about 30 seconds before Feather. This hot period included Feather Satellite, but the duration was 4m33s and Mastiff did not boil appreciably. After this, most gazers headed to Grand. Since it was now very clear that there would be hot periods hourly with each Bijou pause, I decided that I needed to go in and get some food and supplies. It looked like there was a storm moving in, and I did not want to miss the next big hot period. As I unlocked my bike at Grotto, I commented to K.C. that Giant needed to figure out how to not have a hot period every time Bijou paused. He asked me when I thought the "big" hot period might be. I said I'd like for it to wait a bit longer--maybe 1930 or so. While I was away, there was a call that Grotto was off by 1704, for a duration of approximately 75 minutes. Then at 1714, Oblong erupted. Right on time, Bijou paused again and the Southwest Vents started at 1736.37. Feather was on at 1737.20 for a hot period lasting 1m36s. There was only a dribble of overflow from Mastiff. Around the same time, Mary Beth called that there was a delay at Grand. Some gazers headed in for dinner while others stayed at Grand. At Giant, Andrew Bunning, Dave Goldberg, and Thomas and Kevin Barger were busy playing various card games while Kitt Barger, Nellie Daugherty, Donna Friz, Julie Thomson, and I patiently waited for the next pause. At 1833 water was seen in Mastiff--just barely visible to those standing on the lower rung of the railing. It bobbed up and down several times, and then sank again for a footbath. In the cage, we cheered. Sort of strange to be cheering because, in fact, NOTHING had happened. But it was the sign I had been waiting for. I announced on the radio that this was the first Bijou pause since 0935 that had not resulted in a Giant hot period. Then, at 1901 Bijou paused again. After this pause, Bijou came on more weakly, and there was less activity in Mastiff--in fact, it had almost stopped having visible splashes. Following this there was another pause at 1913, and this time we could see water purposefully rising in Mastiff?. ...To be continued in Part 3, which is going to have to wait just a bit longer. Here's a quick run-down of the events at Giant/Grotto on July 3, since there were so many of them?. 0737 Giant hot period, d=8m15s. 0814 Oblong 0934 Bathtub 1029ie Giant hot period, d>3m. ~1135 Giant hot period, d=? 1238ie Giant hot period, d>1m. 1338 Oblong 1339 Giant hot period, d=2m10s. 1441 Giant hot period, d=4m33s. 1533 Giant hot period, d=58s. 1547 Grotto Fountain, d=5m. 1548 Grotto, d~1h15m. 1633 Giant hot period, d=4m33s. 1714 Oblong 1737 Giant hot period, d=1m36s. 1833 Footbath 1901 Bijou pause 1913 Bijou pause 1916 Giant hot period 1925 GIANT (d=104) 1953 Grotto Fountain 1958 Grotto 2200ie Oblong _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 04:47:12 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:47:12 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Addition to Part 2 Message-ID: Believe it or not, I realized that I left a detail out of my summary of the activity at Grotto on July 3. The back-and-forth activity between Grotto Fountain and South Grotto Fountain had stayed essentially the same, except for two stronger boiling episodes in Grotto Fountain, from 0700 until about 1445. Then Dave and Thomas noted that the Central Vents began to erupt at Grotto, and after that Grotto Fountain's cycles were stronger. Dave said that the Central Vents signaled some sort of energy shift, and Grotto Fountain finally started about an hour later (1547). --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 17:01:47 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:01:47 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant details - Part 3 Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross Part 3 - The Eruption ...Let's see, where was I? Oh, right. After Bijou paused at 1913, water was seen rising in Mastiff, this time quite purposefully. As Mastiff neared overflow the Southwest Vents began to sputter, and went into full eruption at 1916.19. Feather overflowed and tried to start once, then dropped, then started for good at 1916.59. For nearly a minute, the hot period looked a lot like all of the others; Feather, Southwest Vents, and Mastiff just at overflow. Then Mastiff began to overflow a little more, and Feather Satellite came on 54 seconds after Feather. Immediately Mastiff began to boil, mostly a few inches to a foot. After the 2-minute mark Mastiff's boiling began to widen. First it could be seen sizzling along to the left on the back side of the vent, then wide surges began to push outward and upward to 1, 2, and then 3 feet. The surging was wide and sustained to 2-4 feet, and copious overflow began to pur off of the platform. Cave's activity progressed from bubbling to vigorous boiling, increasing in height to about 6 inches by the 3-minute mark. Mastiff had continuous boiling to 1-4 feet, then more sustained surging to 5 feet, accompanied by a huge wave of discharge. The surging was so strong that it was almost bursting. Then Mastiff went flat for about 20 seconds around the 4-minute mark, but already India was covered. When boiling resumed, it burst up to 2-3 feet immediately. Several shouted out that Cave was erupting, and indeed it was, sustained to a full 3-4 feet. Mastiff's boiling was holding at 3-4 feet high. Then it pushed upward to 5 feet, then wider, then 6 feet. With Julie, Kitt, Nellie, and Donna urging Mastiff on, I had to move out to the main boardwalk to make my calls. I looked towards Oblong and saw the procession of gazers arriving breathlessly from Grand, with interested visitors tagging along to see what all the fuss was about. Mastiff surging continued to strengthen until it was bursting, with spikes reaching to the top of the cone and then over the top. Even with gazers cheering, Mastiff was so noisy that it could easily be heard. I glanced at Bijou and saw it have several blips while Mastiff was still surging (it later built to full eruption). For a moment I thought that Mastiff would start erupting, but the surging died down again. I looked at my watch in disbelief--it had been only 6 minutes since the start of Feather. Mastiff was suddenly very calm, hovering at overflow for 20-30 seconds. Then, at approximately the 6:30 point in the hot period it quickly dropped out of sight. Ordinarily I might have worried that Feather and Feather Satellite would slow down, but they must have missed the memo that Mastiff had dropped because they showed no signs of stopping. Instead, Giant quickly began to have large surges within its cone--first to one-third of the way up, then two-thirds. The surges were voluminous and dumped water out of the cone. With every surge the excitement in the monkey cage grew. When the surges reached the top of the cone, mass hysteria overtook the assembled throng as inch-high waves of water poured off the front of the platform. The geyser wanted OUT. At about 1925.15, Giant burst up with a thick surge to 30 feet. I called "Giant, 1925!" Then the water disappeared, and I had to say, "...I think." After a few low bursts, Giant rose again, this time with a sustained surge that rose upwards and outwards, almost precisely 2 minutes after Mastiff had dropped. "GIANT, 1925!!! GIANT, 1925!!!!!!!" This time the water held, lifting out of the cone in a massive flood. The signs rolled and the column rocketed skyward. I craned my neck to see the top spikes, and the water came crashing down in front of us. On the boardwalk at Old Faithful, Dave Monteith managed to get about half of the crowd to turn down basin as Giant reached and held its peak height, estimated at 180 feet. He said the general consensus among the visitors was, "What are we doing HERE??" Dave later commented that when Grand started at 1937, it was completely dwarfed my Giant, even 12 minutes into the eruption. The conditions were not ideal, as the storm clouds that had moved in around 1700 were still covering the sky, but nobody cared. It sprinkled rain a few times during the eruption, but it hardly detracted from the joyous experience. I was thrilled for the many gazers who were seeing Giant start for the first time--congratulations to all. Lynn called Grotto Fountain at 1953, with Grotto starting at 1958. As Giant's eruption waned, the setting sun cast light on the clouds on the western horizon, giving a pale orange-pink glow to the sky. The wind blew the spray back and forth along the boardwalk, then directly into the monkey cage. Gazers milled about, grinning, cheering, crying, hugging, taking pictures of each other, and playing in the spray. As darkness began to set in, we watched the final bursts of the eruption. I stopped seeing water at 2109, for a total duration of 104 minutes. I said it last time, but I'll say it again: WHAT A GEYSER. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 17:28:39 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:28:39 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Yet another addendum Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross In re-reading my posts, I realized that I made what must have seemed like a rather cryptic comment about "mid-cycle boiling" at Oblong on July 1. Julie Thomson reported mid-cycle boiling at Oblong prior to the eruption at 2013. This means that Oblong was having boiling when its water level was NOT at a peak. She had seen this occur during Oblong's high-energy behavior in April (when Giant was also having 3-day intervals), but had not seen it since that time until July 1, so she found it to be noteworthy. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. http://www.live.com/getstarted From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 19:11:50 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant photos Message-ID: Though I do not have any nifty video this time, I did put some pictures from July 3 online. The webpage also includes a link to download a full document describing the eruption and events leading up to it. http://students.washington.edu/tmc22/July3/July3.html --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. http://www.live.com/getstarted From davidjohl at centurytel.net Wed Jul 12 20:21:44 2006 From: davidjohl at centurytel.net (David Starck) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:21:44 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant details - Part 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200607130321.k6D3Lh12006188@msa1-gh.centurytel.net> Some people think we're crazy for sitting around for hours to watch a geyser go off! Have them read Tara's commentary below! Thanks Tara for bringing the excitement to those of us who are not yet in the park! Dave Starck -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Tara Cross Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:02 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant details - Part 3 A message from Tara Cross Part 3 - The Eruption ...Let's see, where was I? Oh, right. After Bijou paused at 1913, water was seen rising in Mastiff, this time quite purposefully. As Mastiff neared overflow the Southwest Vents began to sputter, and went into full eruption at 1916.19. Feather overflowed and tried to start once, then dropped, then started for good at 1916.59. For nearly a minute, the hot period looked a lot like all of the others; Feather, Southwest Vents, and Mastiff just at overflow. Then Mastiff began to overflow a little more, and Feather Satellite came on 54 seconds after Feather. Immediately Mastiff began to boil, mostly a few inches to a foot. After the 2-minute mark Mastiff's boiling began to widen. First it could be seen sizzling along to the left on the back side of the vent, then wide surges began to push outward and upward to 1, 2, and then 3 feet. The surging was wide and sustained to 2-4 feet, and copious overflow began to pur off of the platform. Cave's activity progressed from bubbling to vigorous boiling, increasing in height to about 6 inches by the 3-minute mark. Mastiff had continuous boiling to 1-4 feet, then more sustained surging to 5 feet, accompanied by a huge wave of discharge. The surging was so strong that it was almost bursting. Then Mastiff went flat for about 20 seconds around the 4-minute mark, but already India was covered. When boiling resumed, it burst up to 2-3 feet immediately. Several shouted out that Cave was erupting, and indeed it was, sustained to a full 3-4 feet. Mastiff's boiling was holding at 3-4 feet high. Then it pushed upward to 5 feet, then wider, then 6 feet. With Julie, Kitt, Nellie, and Donna urging Mastiff on, I had to move out to the main boardwalk to make my calls. I looked towards Oblong and saw the procession of gazers arriving breathlessly from Grand, with interested visitors tagging along to see what all the fuss was about. Mastiff surging continued to strengthen until it was bursting, with spikes reaching to the top of the cone and then over the top. Even with gazers cheering, Mastiff was so noisy that it could easily be heard. I glanced at Bijou and saw it have several blips while Mastiff was still surging (it later built to full eruption). For a moment I thought that Mastiff would start erupting, but the surging died down again. I looked at my watch in disbelief--it had been only 6 minutes since the start of Feather. Mastiff was suddenly very calm, hovering at overflow for 20-30 seconds. Then, at approximately the 6:30 point in the hot period it quickly dropped out of sight. Ordinarily I might have worried that Feather and Feather Satellite would slow down, but they must have missed the memo that Mastiff had dropped because they showed no signs of stopping. Instead, Giant quickly began to have large surges within its cone--first to one-third of the way up, then two-thirds. The surges were voluminous and dumped water out of the cone. With every surge the excitement in the monkey cage grew. When the surges reached the top of the cone, mass hysteria overtook the assembled throng as inch-high waves of water poured off the front of the platform. The geyser wanted OUT. At about 1925.15, Giant burst up with a thick surge to 30 feet. I called "Giant, 1925!" Then the water disappeared, and I had to say, "...I think." After a few low bursts, Giant rose again, this time with a sustained surge that rose upwards and outwards, almost precisely 2 minutes after Mastiff had dropped. "GIANT, 1925!!! GIANT, 1925!!!!!!!" This time the water held, lifting out of the cone in a massive flood. The signs rolled and the column rocketed skyward. I craned my neck to see the top spikes, and the water came crashing down in front of us. On the boardwalk at Old Faithful, Dave Monteith managed to get about half of the crowd to turn down basin as Giant reached and held its peak height, estimated at 180 feet. He said the general consensus among the visitors was, "What are we doing HERE??" Dave later commented that when Grand started at 1937, it was completely dwarfed my Giant, even 12 minutes into the eruption. The conditions were not ideal, as the storm clouds that had moved in around 1700 were still covering the sky, but nobody cared. It sprinkled rain a few times during the eruption, but it hardly detracted from the joyous experience. I was thrilled for the many gazers who were seeing Giant start for the first time--congratulations to all. Lynn called Grotto Fountain at 1953, with Grotto starting at 1958. As Giant's eruption waned, the setting sun cast light on the clouds on the western horizon, giving a pale orange-pink glow to the sky. The wind blew the spray back and forth along the boardwalk, then directly into the monkey cage. Gazers milled about, grinning, cheering, crying, hugging, taking pictures of each other, and playing in the spray. As darkness began to set in, we watched the final bursts of the eruption. I stopped seeing water at 2109, for a total duration of 104 minutes. I said it last time, but I'll say it again: WHAT A GEYSER. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 23:21:04 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:21:04 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant activity following July 3 eruption Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross This report summarizes the activity in the Giant/Grotto area following the July 3 Giant eruption, July 4-10. I did not start spending large amounts of time at Giant until July 7, so I did not personally see all of the hot periods listed here, nor do I have a full record of events. I'm just including what I have. July 4 There was a short hot period in the morning that I didn't write down in my logbook. Scott Bryan reported that when he went down basin in the morning, he saw water in Bijou, Catfish, and Mastiff. 1326 Oblong 1329ie Giant hot period, d>3m. Mastiff 2 feet. So yes, the recovery from the July 3 eruption was rapid and strong. July 5 0742 Grotto Fountain 0744 Grotto 0919 Giant hot period, d=3m. Mastiff 1.5 feet 0933 Oblong 1423ie Grotto 1423ie Oblong 1619 Giant hot period, d~2m15s. Mastiff did not overflow. 1734 Giant hot period, d~3m. 1855 Giant hot period, d=1m25s. 1959 Oblong July 6 Grotto in marathon all day July 7 Grotto off at some unknown time in the morning 1046 Oblong 1537 Emerald Vent bubbled for a few minutes 1555 Giant hot period, d=9m23s. Mastiff 5 feet, India 100%. Post-marathon hot period. 1608 Oblong ~1845 Giant hot period, inferred by water on platform. 1946ie Grotto Fountain, d>18m. No Grotto. 2006ie Oblong 2016 Bathtub 2303ie Oblong 2305ns Grotto July 8 0700ie Grotto - marathon 0937ns Oblong 1120ie Giant hot period, d>1m. 1337 Oblong 1809 Oblong July 9 0803 Giant hot period, d=9m50s. Mastiff 6 feet, India 100%. Restart ~2m, good surging in Giant. Post-marathon hot period. 0849 Oblong 1127 Giant hot period, d=3m10s. Mastiff 1 foot. 1316 Giant hot period, d~7m. Mastiff 3 feet. 1341 Oblong 1352ns Grotto Fountain 1406 Grotto, d=13m. 1415 Giant hot period, d~2m15s. 1621 Giant hot period, d=8m16s. Mastiff 3 feet, India 100%, Cave to 4 inches, vent between Bijou and Catfish active. Restart ~3m15s, excellent surging in Giant. 1750ie Oblong 1816 Grotto Fountain, d=9m. 1820 Grotto 1943 Giant hot period, d=4m37s. Mastiff boiled to only an inch or two, Feather Satellite active. July 10 0609 Giant hot period, d~6m. Mastiff boiled to only an inch or two, Feather Satellite active. 0738 Oblong 0741 Giant hot period, d~1m50s. Mastiff did not boil, no Feather Satellite. 0900 Giant hot period, d=1m40s. Southwest Vents started 34 seconds before Feather. 0916 Startling 0948 Grotto Fountain, d=9m. 0952 Grotto - marathon 1006 Bathtub 1055 Giant hot period, d=8m29s. Mastiff 6 feet, India 100%, Cave to 3 feet. Restart ~4m, excellent surging in Giant. 1208 Giant hot period, d~1m. 1235 Oblong I left the Upper Basin at 1300. ---- The most important thing that I noted in observing the hot periods on July 9 and 10 was that the restarts were extremely strong--some of the strongest I have ever personally seen. Probably the most remarkable thing about the restarts was the strength of the vertical surging in Giant, which was voluminous and usually reached about one third of the way up the cone, and at times poured water out of the cone. This was a major departure from hot periods seen during the previous interval, which included very weak restarts, if any. Giant is most certainly ready to erupt again. The question is when.... --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From mbschwar at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 11:07:15 2006 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:07:15 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GIANT 13 July 2006 at 0835 Message-ID: The second Giant eruption of July 2006 was 13 July at 0835. The morning was cool with blue sky. There was a hot period at 0653ie (d>3m) seen by Kitt Barger. Grotto Fountain started at 0721 and Grotto at 0727. Steve Robinson called the hot period start about 0823. He said that it was steamy, but there was a lot of water pouring off from Mastiff, and Mastiff was 3-5' at one point. Mastiff dropped and Feather was off briefly and restarted. Giant had vertical surges up to twice the height of the cone and then was in full eruption at 0835. Duration was 102m per Kitt. More details will follow I am sure. Yesterday, 12 July, Grotto was in a marathon at 0505ie (Kitt). At 1929 there was a 9m 56s hot period with Turtle about 6" and Cave about 3." Grand was 0911ns (TiQ). Beehive's Indicator was called at 1049 with Beehive at 1104, the first seen in daylight since Sunday (July 9) at 1023. Mary Beth From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 13:50:25 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:50:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] A few more 7/13 Giant details Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross I just talked to Steve Robinson on the phone and he gave a few more details of the eruption hot period. For about 3 minutes, Mastiff was flat and at overflow. Starting 3 minutes in, there was heavy overflow from Mastiff. Around 5 minutes in, heavy surging started in Mastiff, reaching 4-5 feet. After Mastiff dropped, Bijou came on and Feather quit for a hot period duration of 8m15s. Feather was off for about 15 seconds and then it had a strong restart, erupting to the height of Giant's cone. About 40 seconds into the Feather restart, there was heavy sloshing in Giant's cone. By 2 minutes into the restart vertical surging had reached the height of the cone. By 3 minutes into the restart the surging was twice the height of the cone, and about 3m15s into the restart, Giant erupted. The interval was 9d13h10m. Though this is, to my knowledge, only the second known instance of Giant erupting on a Feather restart, I was not shocked to hear the news after the three strong restarts I saw on July 9 and 10. Just like I have made sure to be in the park for the last day of the Strasser's vacation, I'm also going to start heading out to Giant with Steve R. for the first hot period he sees when he's in the park. So far he's netted 2 Giant eruptions. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From jereb at earthlink.net Thu Jul 13 15:08:33 2006 From: jereb at earthlink.net (Jere Bush) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant 07132006 and Steve Robinson Message-ID: <410-22006741322833402@earthlink.net> >From Jere Bush: The new sign on the Giant platform with the signee! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060713/bb21315f/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Imagine that you are someone who is reading the report one hundred years from now in the Yellowstone archives and trying to make sense out of what someone saw erupting long ago. It will be maddening to them to know that "Julie" saw an eruption of Giant back in 2006 but that we do not know her last name. I've run into this phenomenon while looking back to the 1880s. It happens anytime that someone used only a first name. As a historian, it drives me nuts. Please consider using people's last names. Lee Whittlesey From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:49:07 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:49:07 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Last names Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross > One of the things that is really not helpful about this website's reports > is when people refer to other gazers using only first names. Those of us > who are trying to save things for history's sake do not find satisfaction > with "Nellie," "Kitt," "Donna," etc. > > Last names, or at least a last initial where the name is obvious, would be > really helpful. Point taken--though sometimes, I don't know the last names of everyone I mention in my reports. As for my report on the July 3 Giant, I wrote the report as one large document and then split it into 3 parts to make for shorter emails. If you look at Part 2, you'll see that I mention that it was Nellie Daugherty, Kitt Barger, Donna Friz, and Julie Thomson waiting with me at Giant. Since I inadvertently left a couple of details out of my original posts, I suggest that if Lee wants to include my July 3 Giant report in the archives, that he use the attached Word document that I have looked over and edited several times, and as of now includes last names. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some rather large chunks of what looked in the evening light to be mud were scattered around the far (north) side of the pool, and muddy water was making its way through the pools down to the Firehole river. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wall Pool post eruption.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25987 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060713/2187c7b9/attachment.jpg> From sgryc at comcast.net Fri Jul 14 06:50:55 2006 From: sgryc at comcast.net (sgryc at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:50:55 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Constant Geyser Message-ID: <071420061350.16039.44B7A13F000B5C3D00003EA722070016410C979D099C@comcast.net> On July 5 I sat on the bench in Porcelain Basin for a couple of hours watching Constant Geyser. No other geysers were active except for some small perpetual spouters. I saw seven eruptions of Constant with strong bursts of 20 feet and higher in every eruption. The eruptions came in series of two or three, each series being 50 minutes apart. The next day, it seemed to be following a similar pattern. Eruptions were about 10 seconds in duration. Here are the start times: 17:14:47 17:18:17 18:08:18 18:11:36 19:01:18 19:03:51 19:05:58 Steve Gryc From sgryc at comcast.net Fri Jul 14 06:59:20 2006 From: sgryc at comcast.net (sgryc at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:59:20 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Small Geysers Report (Secluded, Mercury, Outpost, etc.) Message-ID: <071420061359.25606.44B7A3380003AEDF0000640622070016410C979D099C@comcast.net> Some small geysers attracted my attention during last week. Scott Bryan mentioned seeing Basin Spring (Myriad Group) erupt, and I saw it in eruption also at 14:36 on July 8. Jeff Cross mentioned Logbridge Geyser (White Creek), and I saw it i.e. at 11:58 on July 9. Secluded Geyser (PMG 4) is active in Pipeline Meadows and appears to be following the same kind of pattern that it established in 2002-2004. It tends to have closely spaced pairs of eruptions, the first of which is stronger than the second. The eruptions are all of the minor variety (about three feet). On July 8 I saw what I would call a strong eruption from a full pool from 15:47:00 to 15:48:11. It was followed by a weaker eruption from a half-filled pool from 15:53:16 to 15:53:55. There was an aborted eruption at 16:11:16 in which there were a couple of weak splashes followed by a drop in the pool. There were a pair of weak eruptions at 16:36:16 to 16:37:08 and 16:41:21 to 16:42:00. I?m guessing that was the end of an active cycle since I left the area at 17:46 without seeing another eruption. The caps of all the geyserite mushrooms have been destroyed, so the inner crater wall is a less interesting feature than formerly. Mercury Geyser is active across the road from the Biscuit Basin parking lot. On July 10 I saw two four-foot eruptions at 8:29 and at 9:14 for a 45 minute interval. Across the river Outpost and Sentry Geysers are very active. In one hour of observation I saw 10 eruptions of Outpost and three eruptions of the smaller Sentry. Two of Sentry?s three eruptions were duals with Outpost. Outpost looked strong with bursts as high as 8 feet. Sentry?s eruptions are small with bursts averaging about a foot and a half. I also saw the Yellow Bubbler playing north of Outpost. For those who might be interested, here are the times for Outpost and Sentry: Outpost 12:24 i.e. Outpost 12:29:38 ? 12:32:25 Sentry 12:34:37 ? 12:35:29 Outpost 12:32:02 ? 12:38:11 Outpost 12:42:35 ? 12:45:50 Sentry 12:48:58 ? 12:52:45 Outpost 12:51:25 ? 12:53:54 Outpost 12:58:17 ? 13:00:58 Outpost 13:06:05 ? 13:08:48 Outpost 13:14:25 ? 13:16:18 (Sentry filled and drained) Sentry 13:19:50 ? 13:22:00 Outpost 13:20:51 ? 13:22:45 Outpost 13:27:08 ? 13:29:09 From obrien at rush.aero.org Fri Jul 14 11:59:35 2006 From: obrien at rush.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:59:35 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Last names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:13:10 MDT." Message-ID: <200607141859.k6EIxZ922864@rushe.aero.org> > Please consider using people's last names. I'll be blunt: I do not consider that, in the balance, it's worth it to sacrifice writing style for the sake of future historians. I sympathize with their plight, but I think their needs could be met by an occasional cross-reference tying first and last names together, rather than burdening every message with complete monickers. Yes, I'm getting crankier as I get older. From kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com Fri Jul 14 12:04:48 2006 From: kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com (Kendall Madsen) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:04:48 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Details: Wall Pool eruptions July 13, 2006 @ 21:08 Message-ID: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA37284595B7B8@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> We had the good fortune of seeing Giant in erupt yesterday. It seemed like the excitement was over for the day so for the evening my family and I (all 6 of us) decided to take a stroll down at Biscuit Basin. We got out of our van and walk over the road to take a look at Mercury Geyser. As we turned around to return to Biscuit Basin, my oldest son, Curtis, said, "Dad, look at that!" I looked up and Wall Pool was erupting easily to 40-50 feet (it may have been much higher). It was dark black water and mud surging with powerful bursts. Rocks and mud could be seen flying everywhere. I started to run, stopped, took a quick picture, and then started running again to get closer. As we ran, Curtis and I were yelling in the radio that something spectacular was going on at Biscuit Basin. At first we were not sure what was erupting. By the time we crossed the bridge the eruption was basically over. It did one smaller surge to a foot or two and ended. Steaming mud and rocks were spread everywhere behind the pool covering the ground. Three people who were on the bridge at the time said that the ground had thumped really hard. We hung out for a little while hoping to see more. Some other gazers showed up, but by then things had really quieted down. I have embedded in this e-mail thumbnails of the pictures I took of the eruption and the debris left after the eruption. 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Its name was given from the wall-like escarpment which forms it southwestern side." Furthermore, a close look at my copy of the USGS thermal map shows a curved arrow pointing away from the written name toward the northwestern-most part of the spring immediately adjacent to the "wall" that surrounds its west and southwest sides. The July 13 eruption took place from a separate feature that is closer to Black Opal Pool than it is to the map-indicated Wall Pool. I am not proposing a name here, but I think it needs one... as I think the "new thing near the river" also needs a name (some of its bursts today probably reached 6 feet high). Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mary Beth Schwarz From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Jul 14 20:18:31 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:18:31 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Giant intervals July 13 2006 Message-ID: <56a.da4aa80.31e9b887@aol.com> Giant's intervals as of July 13, 2006... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060714/bc289d64/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Giant%20as%20of%20July%2013%202006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31604 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060714/bc289d64/attachment.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Including names is a challenge for those of us who only make it to Yellowstone a couple of weeks per year, and are starting to have problems remembering names even of people we have been in frequent contact with for years. Libby Medley From barger at tritel.net Sat Jul 15 12:09:57 2006 From: barger at tritel.net (barger) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:09:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] July 3 Giant Vidio Message-ID: <000701c6a848$92f74c70$7ba5a6d8@YOUR7648F3E7A0> Sorry to those who wanted this on a DVD, but at the moment the computer won't register the CD/DVD drives. Thomas Barger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060715/ce30ddcf/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, that cannot work, given Ivory at Heart Lake and Ebony at Norris. And maybe it is too soon for a name, anyway. However, in keeping with all the gems and semiprecious stones at Biscuit Basin (Silver Globe, Shell, Jewel, Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, and Black Opal), a similar name might be in keeping with tradition. I keep trying to think of the name for a rock that is both black and white, but banded onyx is all I can come up with.... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060715/cbb1286b/attachment.html> From riozafiro at comcast.net Sat Jul 15 22:06:34 2006 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:06:34 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> References: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> Message-ID: <311CCF3E-2EFF-4FD2-AB5A-F69B2C806491@comcast.net> Some really nice black or silver minerals are Galena Hornblende Graphite Hematite Stephanite Also, garnets can be many colors--maybe Garnet Geyser? And Almandine, they are dark brown to black minerals. Also, Black Pearl Abalone Mother of Pearl And olivine can be greenish black, right? I like Graphite Geyser or Black Pearl Geyser. Just some ideas. Pat Snyder On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I suggested that names were needed for the eruptive vent > between Wall Pool and Black Opal Pool and for the new thing near > the river. > > 1. Upon reading Paperiello's paper about Wall and Black Opal (GOSA > Transactions, Vol. VI), it is abundantly clear that the vent that > erupted on Thursday evening, that is the easternmost part of Wall, > was separately referred to as Black Diamond Pool during the 1930s. > I would humbly suggest that that name be used now. > > 2. As for the new thing on downstream near the river, people today > suggested "Ivory and Ebony," in reference to the one vent spouting > clear water and the other being dark in color. Of course, that > cannot work, given Ivory at Heart Lake and Ebony at Norris. And > maybe it is too soon for a name, anyway. However, in keeping with > all the gems and semiprecious stones at Biscuit Basin (Silver > Globe, Shell, Jewel, Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, > and Black Opal), a similar name might be in keeping with tradition. > I keep trying to think of the name for a rock that is both black > and white, but banded onyx is all I can come up with.... > > Scott Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From caros at aros.net Sat Jul 15 22:11:19 2006 From: caros at aros.net (Karen Webb) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:11:19 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> References: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> Message-ID: <44B9CA77.70500@aros.net> How about snowflake obsidian? Karen TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I suggested that names were needed for the eruptive vent > between Wall Pool and Black Opal Pool and for the new thing near the > river. > > 1. Upon reading Paperiello's paper about Wall and Black Opal (GOSA > Transactions, Vol. VI), it is abundantly clear that the vent that > erupted on Thursday evening, that is the easternmost part of Wall, was > separately referred to as Black Diamond Pool during the 1930s. I would > humbly suggest that that name be used now. > > 2. As for the new thing on downstream near the river, people today > suggested "Ivory and Ebony," in reference to the one vent spouting > clear water and the other being dark in color. Of course, that cannot > work, given Ivory at Heart Lake and Ebony at Norris. And maybe it is > too soon for a name, anyway. However, in keeping with all the gems and > semiprecious stones at Biscuit Basin (Silver Globe, Shell, Jewel, > Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, and Black Opal), a > similar name might be in keeping with tradition. I keep trying to > think of the name for a rock that is both black and white, but banded > onyx is all I can come up with.... > > Scott Bryan > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > -- Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered Robe of Light. From kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com Sat Jul 15 23:47:26 2006 From: kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com (Kendall Madsen) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:47:26 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active Message-ID: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA37284595B806@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> We visited Norris today, and we were surprised to find out Echinus was active. This may have already been reported and I missed it , but just in case:. I looked in the log book and talked to the ranger. From the log book, the first observed eruption was reported on July 11, at 13:13 (water was muddy). According to the ranger, Echinus is going every 2-3 hours and has been since the 11th of July except for one 12 hour interval on July 13th. While we were there, Echinus erupted at 12:21 and 15:09 for an interval of 2 hours 48 minutes. It was nice. Kendall Madsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060716/90348aa3/attachment.html> From ralpht at iglou.com Sun Jul 16 10:52:53 2006 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:52:53 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <311CCF3E-2EFF-4FD2-AB5A-F69B2C806491@comcast.net> Message-ID: As with all too many names that we would like to apply to a new or unnamed feature, the name Black Pearl is already in use, at Biscuit Basin of all places. According to Rocco Paperiello's paper on Wall and Black Opal pools in GOSA Transactions Volume VI, the name was mis-applied to the part of the pool that recently erupted, the part that Scott recommends that we revive the 1930s name Black Diamond Pool for. Ralph Taylor -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Pat Snyder Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:07 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Some really nice black or silver minerals are Galena Hornblende Graphite Hematite Stephanite Also, garnets can be many colors--maybe Garnet Geyser? And Almandine, they are dark brown to black minerals. Also, Black Pearl Abalone Mother of Pearl And olivine can be greenish black, right? I like Graphite Geyser or Black Pearl Geyser. Just some ideas. Pat Snyder On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I suggested that names were needed for the eruptive vent > between Wall Pool and Black Opal Pool and for the new thing near > the river. > > 1. Upon reading Paperiello's paper about Wall and Black Opal (GOSA > Transactions, Vol. VI), it is abundantly clear that the vent that > erupted on Thursday evening, that is the easternmost part of Wall, > was separately referred to as Black Diamond Pool during the 1930s. > I would humbly suggest that that name be used now. > > 2. As for the new thing on downstream near the river, people today > suggested "Ivory and Ebony," in reference to the one vent spouting > clear water and the other being dark in color. Of course, that > cannot work, given Ivory at Heart Lake and Ebony at Norris. And > maybe it is too soon for a name, anyway. However, in keeping with > all the gems and semiprecious stones at Biscuit Basin (Silver > Globe, Shell, Jewel, Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, > and Black Opal), a similar name might be in keeping with tradition. > I keep trying to think of the name for a rock that is both black > and white, but banded onyx is all I can come up with.... > > Scott Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From ralpht at iglou.com Sun Jul 16 11:02:07 2006 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:02:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] News release on wireless communication in Yellowstone Message-ID: A recent (13 July) news release from Yellowstone announced the beginning of the planning process for wireless communications in Yellowstone. Since it includes 2-way radios and cell phones (among other things) it should be of interest, perhaps vital interest, to geyser gazers. The release can be found at: http://www.nps.gov/yell/press/0644.htm Ralph Taylor From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Sun Jul 16 12:10:50 2006 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:10:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <311CCF3E-2EFF-4FD2-AB5A-F69B2C806491@comcast.net> Message-ID: We have a Black Pearl Geyser already. Lee Whittlesey Pat Snyder t.net> cc: (bcc: Lee Whittlesey/YELL/NPS) Sent by: Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names geysers-bounces at w wc.edu 07/15/2006 10:06 PM MST Please respond to geyser observation reports Some really nice black or silver minerals are Galena Hornblende Graphite Hematite Stephanite Also, garnets can be many colors--maybe Garnet Geyser? And Almandine, they are dark brown to black minerals. Also, Black Pearl Abalone Mother of Pearl And olivine can be greenish black, right? I like Graphite Geyser or Black Pearl Geyser. Just some ideas. Pat Snyder On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I suggested that names were needed for the eruptive vent > between Wall Pool and Black Opal Pool and for the new thing near > the river. > > 1. Upon reading Paperiello's paper about Wall and Black Opal (GOSA > Transactions, Vol. VI), it is abundantly clear that the vent that > erupted on Thursday evening, that is the easternmost part of Wall, > was separately referred to as Black Diamond Pool during the 1930s. > I would humbly suggest that that name be used now. > > 2. As for the new thing on downstream near the river, people today > suggested "Ivory and Ebony," in reference to the one vent spouting > clear water and the other being dark in color. Of course, that > cannot work, given Ivory at Heart Lake and Ebony at Norris. And > maybe it is too soon for a name, anyway. However, in keeping with > all the gems and semiprecious stones at Biscuit Basin (Silver > Globe, Shell, Jewel, Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, > and Black Opal), a similar name might be in keeping with tradition. > I keep trying to think of the name for a rock that is both black > and white, but banded onyx is all I can come up with.... > > Scott Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From twogazers at hotmail.com Sun Jul 16 12:17:35 2006 From: twogazers at hotmail.com (Tom Kearney) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:17:35 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> Message-ID: Re: black & white rock - "Snowflake Obsidian" (See samples in the Madison information station.) Tom Kearney > >Yesterday I suggested that names were needed for the eruptive vent between >Wall Pool and Black Opal Pool and for the new thing near the river. > >1. Upon reading Paperiello's paper about Wall and Black Opal (GOSA >Transactions, Vol. VI), it is abundantly clear that the vent that erupted >on Thursday >evening, that is the easternmost part of Wall, was separately referred to >as >Black Diamond Pool during the 1930s. I would humbly suggest that that name >be >used now. > >2. As for the new thing on downstream near the river, people today >suggested >"Ivory and Ebony," in reference to the one vent spouting clear water and >the >other being dark in color. Of course, that cannot work, given Ivory at >Heart >Lake and Ebony at Norris. And maybe it is too soon for a name, anyway. >However, in keeping with all the gems and semiprecious stones at Biscuit >Basin >(Silver Globe, Shell, Jewel, Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, >and >Black Opal), a similar name might be in keeping with tradition. I keep >trying to > think of the name for a rock that is both black and white, but banded >onyx >is all I can come up with.... > >Scott Bryan >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From mabdepot at msn.com Sun Jul 16 15:47:53 2006 From: mabdepot at msn.com (MA Bellingham) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:47:53 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin River Thing names In-Reply-To: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> Message-ID: Black and white bring to mind the Chinese "Yin and Yang". This is also Yellowstone related as the Northern Pacific railway adopted this symbol in their logo, but they used red/black, seen often all in much NPRR and Yellowstone Park Line memorabilia. It kinda works historically! If the dark vent ever clears up, it won't work. See you at Echinus, MA M.A. Bellingham mabdepot at msn.com From r.keam at auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 16 16:23:29 2006 From: r.keam at auckland.ac.nz (Ron Keam) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:23:29 +1200 Subject: [Geysers] Feature names in general In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In New Zealand, one thing I have noticed is that Maori names for geothermal surface features survive without modification better than English names. This is probably because people assume that a Maori name has been given by Maori people and therefore one would be sensitive to a possible cultural indiscretion by trying to alter it. For that reason both Ted Lloyd and I have applied Maori names to sets of features where no names appear already to exist for them. In recent years I have also taken the precaution of checking with an appropriate respected Maori person to ensure that the mooted names are acceptable. The Maori names chosen have sometimes reflected some aspect of the geographic setting, and as an example, two vents aligned East-West within a craterlet in Frying Pan Lake were named "Pouata" and "Mapouriki", meaning, respectively, "Dawn" and "Dusk". Sometimes I have seen features named most inappropriately - for example, in 1963, the New Zealand Tourist and Publicity Department celebrated the opening of a new track at Waimangu by providing names for many features. I found one name, "The Devil's Ulcers", particularly objectionable. I have assiduously avoided using it and I hope it never surfaces again except in a posting like this as a source of derision. I do not know what the situation would be in the U.S., but would people consider using Native American names to be apppropriate? Ron Keam -- ##################### Ron Keam The Physics Department The University of Auckland Private Bag 92-019 Auckland New Zealand Phone +64 9 373-7599 extension 87931 FAX +64 9 373-7445 EMail r.keam at auckland.ac.nz ##################### From conantb at swbell.net Sun Jul 16 16:36:25 2006 From: conantb at swbell.net (Eric Hatfield) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names. Message-ID: <20060716233625.30238.qmail@web81904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I heard Kitt Barger use the name "Salt and Pepper." Kinda cute, still conveys the same idea. Not rocks, but at least one is a mineral. Then again, we could wait to name it after it gets stable and we actually know what the feature will end up looking like. Or until after the whole place blows up again and is completely rearranged.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060716/5ec6945b/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Jul 16 18:16:57 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:16:57 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Feature names in general Message-ID: <32a.8b81fa1.31ec3f09@aol.com> In a message dated 7/16/2006 7:01:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, r.keam at auckland.ac.nz writes: I do not know what the situation would be in the U.S., but would people consider using Native American names to be appropriate? I think the answer to this question is likely to be "No," as somebody might feel "left out." In New Zealand there is Maori. Here there is... Crow, and Shoshoni, and Bannack Shoshoni, and Nez Perce, and Northern Cheyenne, and Blackfeet, and.... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060716/1e0be0ef/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Jul 16 18:20:26 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:20:26 EDT Subject: [Geysers] News release on wireless communication in Yellowstone Message-ID: <56f.1c4a54d.31ec3fda@aol.com> In a message dated 7/16/2006 1:40:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, ralpht at iglou.com writes: A recent (13 July) news release from Yellowstone announced the beginning of the planning process for wireless communications in Yellowstone. Since it includes 2-way radios and cell phones (among other things) it should be of interest, perhaps vital interest, to geyser gazers. The release can be found at: http://www.nps.gov/yell/press/0644.htm A small part of this says: "The EA will look at a wide range of current and future wireless communications that require permanent infrastructure, including two-way radios, " Well, I say our FRS radios do not require a permanent infrastructure, and secondly that I have an FCC license that says I can use the thing -- if need by, by stating that I am call sign WPY1990. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060716/40b98e7b/attachment.html> From seide1 at mindspring.com Sun Jul 16 21:25:34 2006 From: seide1 at mindspring.com (Stephen J. Eide) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:25:34 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] past due report Message-ID: <44BB113E.677242E6@mindspring.com> Greetings and Salutations, Sorry I took so long for this note, it is the remainder of the things seen during my trip June 30 to July 6. Plume has already been reported on often, but for most of my time in the part Plume was averaging just under an hour between eruptions. Little cubs appeared to be on relatively short intervals of about 40 minutes although since I usually caught it IE this average isn't all that accurate. On 7-1 and 7-2 I watched Basin Spring for a few hours. It is erupting, basically a big boiling usually to about six feet but one eruption was only 2-3 and one was about ten feet. I had two closed intervals, on 7-1 of 39 minute and 7-2 of 47 minutes. Durations were about 2 minutes. I might have gotten more information but while I was watching it I got so comfortable that I fell asleep. Three Crater was also erupting at about 15 minute intervals on both days. I know Scott was lucky enough to see it, but I saw nothing out of Middle Sister. On 7-2 while watching Beehive the indicator was 1038, the West Bubbler started at 1050, and Beehive at 1053. That was the only eruption where I saw the West Bubbler while I was in the part but the last few days I spent alot of time at Fountain so I missed several Beehive eruptions. On 7-2 Penta erupted 1656 ie, that time is likely close to the start time as the overflow was just starting to run under the boardwalk when I got there a few minutes later. On 7-3 I decided to visit West Thumb and Norris so I missed Giant. Timing is everything. West Thumb was interesting, not very active but interesting. The upper table has lost even more water and energy. Surging Spring, Collapsing pool, and Ledge spring are all quiet, several feet below overflow and not boiling. Perforated pool and Ephedra appear to be less active and cooler. Blue Funnel spring is still hot, and there is a pool across the boardwalk that appears to be boiling. Twin Geysers are lower and cooler than usual and the steam vent across the boardwalk from Twin does have steam, but it is very weak. Abyss spring appears to be cooler and is putting out much less water. I think it is begining to grow algae in the pool. The spring above Abyss at the edge of the old roadway (I can't remember its name right now) has no overflow and no steam. King Geyser appears to be very hot and I think it has more overflow. Black pool is about the same. I did see two bubbling vents were Skinny or Shinny Man should be but I didn't get to catch an eruption. I wonder if Hillside has been active, the interpretive ranger for West Thumb didn't every know it was a geyser. Everything down at the shoreline is underwater. Norris was just coming out of the seasonal disturbance on July 3. I talked to one of the rangers who said Pearl stopped being a steam vent on 7-2 and it was in its usual eruption pattern on 7-3 as were the holes across the boardwalk. Rubble has not erupted since mid-winter (per the ranger). The hole to the north of Porkchop was erupting about 1-2 feet high all the time I looked at it. For about three and an half hours I watched Vixen and saw several eruptions, mostly weak in the 4-12 foot range in an interesting pattern of weak minors followed by a normal minor eruption. The pattern was three to four weak eruptions of 4-7 feet every 4-8 minutes followed by a larger eruption (but still a minor) of about 12 feet, then about 15 minutes of quiet, then the very small eruptions started again. I saw several small geysers near Orby and Orby's crater was wet so it was active but I didn't get to see Orby. I only saw minor eruptions from Veteran. Emerald pool was clear. Pink Cone was having 20-21 hour intervals except when I waited for it, then it was more like 21.5 hours (sorry, Lynn gave me the time for the previous day but I didn't write it down) Thats about it. Stephen J. Eide From ljmedley at teleport.com Sun Jul 16 21:34:07 2006 From: ljmedley at teleport.com (elizabeth medley) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active References: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA37284595B806@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> Message-ID: <001e01c6a95a$3f968e20$b2d5f204@emc> Great news about Echinus! Are the eruptions similar in height and duration to the good old days? Libby Medley ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall Madsen To: geyser observation reports Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active We visited Norris today, and we were surprised to find out Echinus was active. This may have already been reported and I missed it , but just in case:. I looked in the log book and talked to the ranger. From the log book, the first observed eruption was reported on July 11, at 13:13 (water was muddy). According to the ranger, Echinus is going every 2-3 hours and has been since the 11th of July except for one 12 hour interval on July 13th. While we were there, Echinus erupted at 12:21 and 15:09 for an interval of 2 hours 48 minutes. It was nice. Kendall Madsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060716/bf907700/attachment.html> From ralpht at iglou.com Sun Jul 16 22:27:04 2006 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Website updated Message-ID: I have sent the overall statistical summary and all of the graphs and data files to Don Might; at least some are posted now and the rest should be up soon. Ralph From ralpht at iglou.com Sun Jul 16 22:41:56 2006 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:41:56 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] past due report In-Reply-To: <44BB113E.677242E6@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Stephen Eide wrote: >[...] >On 7-3 I decided to visit West Thumb and Norris so I missed Giant. >[...]Abyss spring actually, Abyss Pool >appears to be cooler and is putting out much less water. I think it is >begining to grow algae in the pool. The spring above Abyss at the edge >of the old roadway (I can't remember its name right now) That is Roadside Steamer >has no overflow and no steam. [...] I wonder if Hillside has been active, >the interpretive ranger for West Thumb didn't every know it was a geyser. No, Hillside's last eruption was on 11/26/05 at 02:33. Ralph Taylor From obrien at rush.aero.org Mon Jul 17 00:45:40 2006 From: obrien at rush.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:45:40 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] News release on wireless communication in Yellowstone In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:20:26 EDT." <56f.1c4a54d.31ec3fda@aol.com> Message-ID: <200607170745.k6H7je917512@rushe.aero.org> > "The EA will look at a wide range of current and future wireless > communications that require permanent infrastructure, including two-way > radios, " I don't see the issue here. Pretty clearly they're referring to things like government-service base stations and hilltop repeater systems. Unless there's government code-speak going on here to which I'm not privy. Mike O'Brien From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 02:08:11 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:08:11 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Belated Beehive report (Cross) Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross Steve Eide's report reminded me of something I meant to post when I got home from the park. Beehive's West Bubbler was active on June 28 and 29. On both days, I saw water pulsating in it maybe 10 minutes before the Indicator started, with the eruption starting less than a minute before water was seen in the Indicator. On July 2 I did not see activity in the Bubbler until after the Indicator had started. And, since it was not always reported, here's a list of Beehive eruptions during my trip, along with Little Squirt: June 26 -- 1134 Little Squirt active June 27 -- 0939 (Ind. 0937) June 28 -- 1022 (Ind. 1005) June 29 -- 1042 (Ind. 1028) June 30 -- 1059 (Ind. 1048) July 1 -- 1046 (Ind. 1039) Little Squirt active July 2 -- 1053 (Ind. 1038) July 3 -- 1134 (Ind. 1121) July 4 -- 1245 (Ind. 1233) July 5 -- 1025 (Ind. 1009) July 6 -- 1016 (Ind. 0957) July 7 -- 1307 (Ind. 1250) July 8 -- 1219 (Ind. 1207) Little Squirt active July 9 -- 1023 (Ind. 1004) July 10 -- 0415 VR On the 10th, gazers were waiting for Beehive most of the morning before we got the report that a visitor had seen Beehive overnight. It was barely splashing, so the report made a lot of sense. However, this represented the shortest interval by far in the two weeks that I was in the park. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. http://www.live.com/getstarted From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jul 17 04:43:21 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:43:21 EDT Subject: [Geysers] past due report Message-ID: <56c.1d18348.31ecd1d9@aol.com> In a message dated 7/16/2006 10:51:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, seide1 at mindspring.com writes: Abyss spring appears to be cooler and is putting out much less water. I think it is begining to grow algae in the pool. Indeed, while driving tour yesterday I noted that Abyss now has a distinctly green cast, whereas it had been vividly blue. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That took it from just after 0100 back to late morning-early afternoon, where it now remains. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060717/9d14af0e/attachment.html> From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Mon Jul 17 07:33:25 2006 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:33:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <497.60839b0.31eae34c@aol.com> Message-ID: I support Scott's idea of using Black Diamond Pool. I believe that we should use historic names when possible, rather than creating new ones. And that was its earlier name. Lee TSBryan at aol.com Sent by: To: geysers at wwc.edu geysers-bounces at w cc: (bcc: Lee Whittlesey/YELL/NPS) wc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names 07/15/2006 08:33 PM EDT Please respond to geyser observation reports Yesterday I suggested that names were needed for the eruptive vent between Wall Pool and Black Opal Pool and for the new thing near the river. 1. Upon reading Paperiello's paper about Wall and Black Opal (GOSA Transactions, Vol. VI), it is abundantly clear that the vent that erupted on Thursday evening, that is the easternmost part of Wall, was separately referred to as Black Diamond Pool during the 1930s. I would humbly suggest that that name be used now. 2. As for the new thing on downstream near the river, people today suggested "Ivory and Ebony," in reference to the one vent spouting clear water and the other being dark in color. Of course, that cannot work, given Ivory at Heart Lake and Ebony at Norris. And maybe it is too soon for a name, anyway. However, in keeping with all the gems and semiprecious stones at Biscuit Basin (Silver Globe, Shell, Jewel, Sapphire, Black Pearl, Coral, Black Diamond, and Black Opal), a similar name might be in keeping with tradition. I keep trying to think of the name for a rock that is both black and white, but banded onyx is all I can come up with.... Scott Bryan_______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From Joeerg at aol.com Mon Jul 17 08:40:28 2006 From: Joeerg at aol.com (Joeerg at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:40:28 EDT Subject: [Geysers] News release on wireless communication in Yellowstone Message-ID: <416.5f6a83f.31ed096c@aol.com> On a related topic, last year several people mentioned the existence of wireless hotspots in several park areas but I don't remember whether anyone gave specifics? Debby Stahl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of these, andradite commonly occurs in darker shades of brown and black. The others are commonly used in the gem trade and tend to be more colorful (reds, oranges, pinks). Well, then there is the iron-iron garnet, melanite, which is truly black... But as for that spring at Biscuit, probably we need to wait on a name, or simply come up with something "generic" as 1) the spring might not persist; and 2) the "black" part likely will not stay black. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060717/ac487d41/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 22:00:13 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:00:13 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Message-ID: Not that any of this is up to me. But personally, I like the idea of giving the new feature a name, and I like the name Salt and Pepper. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From riozafiro at comcast.net Tue Jul 18 04:56:23 2006 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:56:23 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <20060717.183922.29529.450886@webmail25.lax.untd.com> References: <20060717.183922.29529.450886@webmail25.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <4CDAA876-91A7-4134-95F0-1ACAC9C38024@comcast.net> Thanks a bunch! I have one of those rock and mineral books but it doesn't give a lot of background on how the minerals form. My vote is not for any of my suggestions, though. It's for Kitt's Salt & Pepper Geyser. I love that name, very cute and memorable. Pat S. On Jul 18, 2006, at 1:38 AM, geyser1 at netzero.net wrote: > OK, I'll assume the role of GOSA mineralogist and answer Pat's > question. Olivine is not really greenish black, but can be > brownish-green when containing significant iron. Typically it is > yellowish-green. Gem quality olivine is known in the gem trade as > peridot. > > Strictly speaking, olivine and garnet are actually names of mineral > groups. The most common minerals of the olivine group are > forsterite (magnesium end member) and fayalite (iron end member), > which form a complete solid solution series between the end members. > > Some of the more well known minerals of the garnet group include > almandine, pyrope, grossular, andradite, and spessartine. Of > these, andradite commonly occurs in darker shades of brown and > black. The others are commonly used in the gem trade and tend to > be more colorful (reds, oranges, pinks). > > -- Will > > > ************ > > Some really nice black or silver minerals are > Galena > Hornblende > Graphite > Hematite > Stephanite > > Also, garnets can be many colors--maybe Garnet Geyser? And Almandine, > they are dark brown to black minerals. > > Also, Black Pearl > Abalone > Mother of Pearl > > And olivine can be greenish black, right? > > I like Graphite Geyser or Black Pearl Geyser. > > Just some ideas. > Pat Snyder > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com Tue Jul 18 12:43:00 2006 From: kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com (Kendall Madsen) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:43:00 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active Message-ID: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA372845A10A9D@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> The eruptions where about 5 feet above the uppper platform and lasted 3 minutes. I'm not sure how this compares. kendall ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of elizabeth medley Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:34 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Echinus is active Great news about Echinus! Are the eruptions similar in height and duration to the good old days? Libby Medley ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall Madsen To: geyser observation reports Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active We visited Norris today, and we were surprised to find out Echinus was active. This may have already been reported and I missed it , but just in case:. I looked in the log book and talked to the ranger. From the log book, the first observed eruption was reported on July 11, at 13:13 (water was muddy). According to the ranger, Echinus is going every 2-3 hours and has been since the 11th of July except for one 12 hour interval on July 13th. While we were there, Echinus erupted at 12:21 and 15:09 for an interval of 2 hours 48 minutes. It was nice. Kendall Madsen ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060718/b353ef78/attachment.html> From Debbie.Sjodin at spl.org Tue Jul 18 14:02:04 2006 From: Debbie.Sjodin at spl.org (Debbie Sjodin) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:02:04 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active In-Reply-To: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA372845A10A9D@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> References: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA372845A10A9D@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> Message-ID: <44BCE9DC020000EE00008BDF@mailsrvclu.spl.org> Mid 70's the erruptions lasted 7-10 minutes except for a disturbance when they lasted nearly an hour. The water probably got 30' over the vent. There was no upper platform. >>> kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com 07/18/06 12:43 PM >>> The eruptions where about 5 feet above the uppper platform and lasted 3 minutes. I'm not sure how this compares. kendall ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of elizabeth medley Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:34 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Echinus is active Great news about Echinus! Are the eruptions similar in height and duration to the good old days? Libby Medley ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall Madsen To: geyser observation reports Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active We visited Norris today, and we were surprised to find out Echinus was active. This may have already been reported and I missed it , but just in case:. I looked in the log book and talked to the ranger. From the log book, the first observed eruption was reported on July 11, at 13:13 (water was muddy). According to the ranger, Echinus is going every 2-3 hours and has been since the 11th of July except for one 12 hour interval on July 13th. While we were there, Echinus erupted at 12:21 and 15:09 for an interval of 2 hours 48 minutes. It was nice. Kendall Madsen ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From mnmykris at hotmail.com Tue Jul 18 16:18:34 2006 From: mnmykris at hotmail.com (Michele Mykris) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:18:34 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060718/76ca34f5/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Tue Jul 18 16:21:10 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:21:10 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Grotto activity, July 2-3 Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross So, one of the big questions I had about the activity leading up to the July 3 Giant eruption was, what in the world did Grotto do overnight July 2-3? There were major thunderstorms moving through the Old Faithful area that night, so no gazers were out in the basin. When we arrived at Grotto in the morning, Grotto Fountain was full and overflowing, so it looked like it was time for another Grotto. So did it have a "normal" eruption overnight? Or did it do some sort of aborted marathon? Well, Ralph Taylor's temperature logs tell the story, and it's interesting. Grotto ended a marathon around 1315 on July 2. Grotto started its next eruption at 0318 E on July 3. According to the logger, the eruption was 10 minutes long. That's right, it had one of those "aborted" eruptions. This is VERY interesting to me, because in other situations where Grotto had short (duration 5-15 minutes) eruptions, it followed up 2-4 hours later with a longer eruption. On July 3, however, it waited TWELVE HOURS. (Try plugging THAT into the Grotto formula!) For at least 8 1/2 hours of that time, Grotto Fountain was having intermittent overflows and South Grotto Fountain was erupting every 7-14 minutes. So what was happening at Grotto on July 3 was extremely weird, even by 2006 standards. Here are excerpts from my notes for the other short-duration Grotto eruptions that I saw between June 27 and July 10. June 28 1504ie Grotto Fountain 1516 Grotto, d~5m 1720 Grotto Fountain 1731 Grotto, d>4h July 9 1352ns Grotto Fountain 1406 Grotto (d=13m) 1816 Grotto Fountain 1820 Grotto One word of caution on the electronic record: while the logger picked up the short eruption on July 9 (showing a start time of 1407), it did NOT pick up the eruption on June 28. It shows the first eruption following the marathon that started on June 27 at 1732 on June 28. Thanks, Ralph, for posting the electronic data! --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Jul 18 16:35:21 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:35:21 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 18 Message-ID: <57e.1686ad7.31eeca39@aol.com> Into the park for a good session of gazing today. Lots seen but nothing really special. Plume produced intervals of 59, 56 and 68 minutes. Yesterday, Beehive was at 1208. Today it went at 1041 (I = 22h 33m). There was no Indictor; eruption started seconds (maybe 20 or so seconds) after the "Water in the Indicator" call. Grand caught everybody flat-footed, by going at 0724 (2 bursts). I saw it from the bike trail; apparently no gazer was near it. Grotto was in marathon yesterday. What was probably the recovery hot period took place at 02xx and evidently lasted nearly 10 minutes. There was some sort of hot period at about 0600, then more at 0711 (d = 4m 10s), 0822 (d ~ 5 1/2 m), 0943 (d = 2m 28s), and 1130 (d = 7m 40s, quite strong although India was only about 80% covered). While I was in there was just one Daisy interval: only 2h 07m. Oblong was 0819 ie. Then I _think_ I heard it called when I was down at Biscuit Basin, at about 1300. Word is that yesterday at 0345, Black Diamond Pool at Biscuit had eruption strong enough to throw the sensor out of the pool, and then it was seen during the naturalist's nature walk at around 0900. We don't know if it's gone since then, but that gives it at least 3 eruptions. The informal name "Salt 'n' Pepper" seems to be in increasing use for the thing near the river at Biscuit. On to Great Fountain, which though predicted for 1530 was well into overflow at 1327. The eruption was at 1431, p = 0, and very nice with one 1st-burst burst to at least 150 feet. while there I saw White Dome at 1352 and then 1432. There is a forest fire burning, probably started by the nearly-dry lightning storm we had near dark last evening. The smoke billow as viewed from here in West makes it appear to be only a few miles into the park and, I think, north of Madison Canyon. All for now. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator From cross at bmi.net Tue Jul 18 17:58:16 2006 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:58:16 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Active Fires Message-ID: <20060719005820.02936C1849C@zapp.wwc.edu> I just checked the fire status and the smoke that TSB reported comes from a lightning fire named "Magpie," which is located about seven miles from Madison, slightly south of due east. It's size is listed as 0.5 acres. There are two other active fires in the Roosevelt area; both are smaller. Here's the link for the curious. http://www.nps.gov/yell/technical/fire/ Carlton Cross From ynp4me at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 18:13:12 2006 From: ynp4me at yahoo.com (V) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Active Fires In-Reply-To: <20060719005820.02936C1849C@zapp.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <20060719011312.41491.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com> Right now- TUE eve 7/18 - they have moved the Washburn webcam to view a fire... http://www.nps.gov/yell/tours/livecams/mtwashburn/index.htm ~ Vicky --- Carlton Cross wrote: > I just checked the fire status and the smoke that TSB reported comes > from a lightning fire named "Magpie," which is located about seven miles > from Madison, slightly south of due east. It's size is listed as 0.5 > acres. > There are two other active fires in the Roosevelt area; both are > smaller. > > Here's the link for the curious. > http://www.nps.gov/yell/technical/fire/ > > Carlton Cross __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geyser1 at netzero.net Tue Jul 18 20:30:22 2006 From: geyser1 at netzero.net (geyser1 at netzero.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:30:22 GMT Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Message-ID: <20060718.203045.11827.459042@webmail44.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060719/64eb2ed2/attachment.ksh> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060719/64eb2ed2/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 19 01:27:29 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:27:29 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] More on Grotto and the Electronic Log (Cross) Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross A while back, Lynn Stephens commented that the Old Faithful Visitor Center logbook was looking awfully bare and asked gazers to please turn in their geyser times. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of the guilty parties here, so this message is not meant to point fingers. It's a reminder to myself and to others of what can sometimes happen when things are not reported. When I left the park (way back) on May 30, I knew from my own observations that the last Grotto marathon had been on May 27. Giant then erupted at 0715 on May 31, shortly after the 12th "normal" Grotto eruption after the previous marathon. When I returned to the park on June 2, I was told--by gazers who had been there the entire week--that the marathon that was in progress that day was the first since May 27. In other words, they reported that it was the first marathon in 6 days. However, the electronic log posted by Ralph Taylor and excerpted below clearly shows that this is in fact not true. The eruption that started around 0705 on May 31 was, in fact, a marathon that lasted roughly 15 1/2 hours. 31/May/06 01:43:00 06:43:00 01:25:00 31/May/06 07:05:00 05:22:00 15:35:00 I knew that Grotto was in eruption when Giant started, because it was passed along in a message to the listserv--and its steam cloud can be seen in the pictures posted by various gazers afterwards. But it was never reported to the OFVC--or at least, it's not in the electronic version of the logbook compiled by Lynn Stephens and available online. And apparently, nobody checked to see if Grotto was still i.e. later that day, or at least they did not tell anyone if they did. Now, I understand that since Giant erupted, gazers were eager to get a break from the Upper Basin and see other things. I would do (and have done) the same thing. But in this case, an entire Grotto marathon was lost, because its start time was never reported and nothing further on Grotto appears in the log until June 2. I'm sure a lot of people reading this are saying, "So what?" Well, if Lee Whittlesey can remind us to include last names in our reports, then I'd like remind people to please, report what you see, and try not to pass along misinformation. In case some of the readers of this listserv don't know it, our geyser reports are copied and placed in the park's archives, so they go into the historical record that will be seen by future researchers. As I noted in my report about the July 3 Giant eruption, someone erroneously told a gazer who had just arrived in the park on July 2 that there had been no non-marathon eruptions of Grotto for a few days before Giant. That gazer had no way of knowing that this wasn't true, because she wasn't there to see it herself. But it was reported to the listserv, and might have gone uncorrected were it not for persnickety people like me. There may not be many gazers who care about a missed Grotto here and there, but I am personally VERY interested in what's been happening at Giant/Grotto this year, especially Giant's reaction to Grotto marathons. When I was told that Grotto had not marathoned in 6 days, I thought that it was different and interesting behavior. Turns out that Giant actually erupted near the start of a marathon that was overdue to happen--and that's really not uncommon behavior at all. So, I'll be spending some time at the OFVC logbook on my next Yellowstone trip, and I encourage other gazers to please do the same. Thanks for listening. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From udo.freund at lmco.com Wed Jul 19 06:35:49 2006 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:35:49 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names Message-ID: I humbly submit that another feature in the Kaleidoscope group needs to be named before we focus on the Biscuit Basin thing. In my opinion "New Thing Far Left" is a TERRIBLE name that has persisted far too long. If another feature were to break out to the left of NTFL would it become "Newer Thing Even Further Left"? Could we agree that NTFL become "Football Geyser". It's easy to drop the T from NTFL, which then becomes NFL -- the acronym for the National Football League, or more simply Football. And why do we need to name the Biscuit Basin feature after a mineral? Not that I object to that -- I'm just asking. Thanks, Udo Freund ________________________________ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of geyser1 at netzero.net Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:30 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Melanite is a variety of andradite. I agree that making up a name for this new geyser(s) should be delayed for a while for the reasons stated below. -- Will *********** Well, then there is the iron-iron garnet, melanite, which is truly black... But as for that spring at Biscuit, probably we need to wait on a name, or simply come up with something "generic" as 1) the spring might not persist; and 2) the "black" part likely will not stay black. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060719/61d4958c/attachment.html> From sgryc at comcast.net Wed Jul 19 07:16:26 2006 From: sgryc at comcast.net (sgryc at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:16:26 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Buried Geyser and the Lone Star Group Message-ID: <071920061416.8484.44BE3EB9000D25890000212422070216330C979D099C@comcast.net> On July 9 Will Moats, his son Steven and I hiked out to Lone Star Geyser. After viewing a minor and a major eruption, we headed for Buried Geyser by fording the Firehole River and bushwhacking our way southeast up the hill. It is an easier journey than you might think as the river is little more than ankle deep near Lone Star?s main run-off channel, and Buried Geyser is less than a half-mile away. The only problem was the bugs which were prolific and in a biting mood. Buried Geyser was in good form, and we sat for five consecutive eruptions. The first eruption topped out at about 6 feet. Then followed eruptions that reached 8, 10, 15, and 8 feet. All the eruptions were entertaining and vigorous with massive bursting. Durations averaged about 6 minutes with the largest eruption also being the shortest (4 minutes). Intervals ranged between 2 and 4 minutes, so it was possible to see many eruptions in a very short time. (I?ve listed start and stop times at the end of this post.) We walked back to Lone Star to witness two more minor eruptions (a weak eruption followed by a very strong one) and another major eruption. The first major eruption we had seen was 20 minutes shy of the usual 3 hour interval (according to the log book), but the second major eruption was 20 minutes over the 3 hour interval to bring the average back to 3 hours. On the same geyserite mound as Lone Star, Perforated Cone Geyser was active. We saw at least two eruptions that consisted of mere spitting of water droplets with some accompanying steam. There was no indication that Black Hole Geyser is active. Between minor eruptions of Lone Star Geyser, I walked to Lone Star Pool which was cool and an ugly yellow-brown color. The highpoint of that side trip was the small stand of Pink Pyrola I saw near the 0-A-1 campground. The trail to Lone Star Geyser also featured abundant wildflowers: Pink Monkey Flower, Paintbrush (both red and sulphur), Sticky Geranium, Yellow Columbine, Yarrow, Harebell, Blue-eyed Grass, Monkshood, Bog Candle, Ladies Tresses (on the southern bank of the Firehole), Western Coral Root, and perhaps the finest display of Fringed Gentian I had ever seen growing along the run-off channels of Lone Star. We had company waiting for Lone Star. After one minor eruption, however, we failed to convince one family to stay for the major. They were very disappointed in the minor because they had the idea, for some unknown reason, that Lone Star would erupt to the height of 200 feet. 40 feet seemed adequate to us, and the wonderful roaring steam phase more than satisfied our desire to witness the power of nature. Buried Geyser Times (7-9-06) 15:21 ? 15:27 (6 feet) 15:29 ? 15:36 (8 feet) 15:39 ? 15:45 (10 feet) 15:49 ? 15:53 (15 feet) 15:56 ? 16:02 (8 feet) From riozafiro at comcast.net Wed Jul 19 17:39:50 2006 From: riozafiro at comcast.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:39:50 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13FC1074-FEE3-4F4D-94A9-5A60D73057FC@comcast.net> I agree it would be nice to name NTFL. Here's another suggestion, again, given the "Kaleidoscope" of the area, Tara thought up "Periscope" since apparently it erupts from a long funnel-shaped hole. Since I haven't seen it up close and probably never will, someone else will have to confirm what it looks like from something other than the observation platform. I suggested "Telescope" since you need one to see it close up. :) And there's "Football", too. Regardless, I'd love to see it have a name not an acronym. To many visitors, the name Football will mean soccer. Which is fine. I think the Biscuit Basin mineral theme was because many other features out there are named after gems and minerals. Pat Snyder On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Freund, Udo wrote: > I humbly submit that another feature in the Kaleidoscope group > needs to be named before we focus on the Biscuit Basin thing. In > my opinion "New Thing Far Left" is a TERRIBLE name that has > persisted far too long. If another feature were to break out to > the left of NTFL would it become "Newer Thing Even Further Left"? > Could we agree that NTFL become "Football Geyser". It's easy to > drop the T from NTFL, which then becomes NFL -- the acronym for the > National Football League, or more simply Football. > > And why do we need to name the Biscuit Basin feature after a > mineral? Not that I object to that -- I'm just asking. > > Thanks, > Udo Freund > > > From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On > Behalf Of geyser1 at netzero.net > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:30 PM > To: geysers at wwc.edu > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names > > Melanite is a variety of andradite. > > I agree that making up a name for this new geyser(s) should be > delayed for a while for the reasons stated below. > > -- Will > > > > *********** > Well, then there is the iron-iron garnet, melanite, which is truly > black... But as for that spring at Biscuit, probably we need to > wait on a name, or simply come up with something "generic" as 1) > the spring might not persist; and 2) the "black" part likely will > not stay black. > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From r.keam at auckland.ac.nz Wed Jul 19 18:28:23 2006 From: r.keam at auckland.ac.nz (Ron Keam) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:28:23 +1200 Subject: [Geysers] Feature names in general In-Reply-To: <32a.8b81fa1.31ec3f09@aol.com> References: <32a.8b81fa1.31ec3f09@aol.com> Message-ID: Perhaps one could look at the number of different Native American peoples as providing just what is sometimes needed. You could have "Black Geyser" (Crow translation), and "Black Geyser" (Shoshoni translation), and "Black Geyser" (Bannack Shoshoni),and "Black Geyser" (Nez Perce)..... each for a different feature, and all of them possible legitimate contenders for being described as "Black Geyser". Ron Keam >In a message dated 7/16/2006 7:01:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, >r.keam at auckland.ac.nz writes: > >I do not know what the situation would be in the U.S., but would >people consider using Native American names to be appropriate? > >I think the answer to this question is likely to be "No," as >somebody might feel "left out." In New Zealand there is Maori. Here >there is... Crow, and Shoshoni, and Bannack Shoshoni, and Nez Perce, >and Northern Cheyenne, and Blackfeet, and.... > >Scott Bryan > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -- ##################### Ron Keam The Physics Department The University of Auckland Private Bag 92-019 Auckland New Zealand Phone +64 9 373-7599 extension 87931 FAX +64 9 373-7445 EMail r.keam at auckland.ac.nz ##################### From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 19 18:57:33 2006 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:57:33 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross I agree that "New Thing Far Left" is not a great name. It's not new anymore, and when viewed from the road as you drive southbound across Fountain Flats, it's actually the farthest feature to the RIGHT. My primary objection to the name "Football" is that it has nothing to do with the feature itself. Instead it's an extension of a name which some already feel is poor to begin with. Can we come up with something that's more descriptive of its eruption or location? I made the suggestion of "Periscope" to Pat Snyder in a private conversation, and it was completely in jest. If people end up liking the name then fine, but I have no strong opinion that it should be called "Periscope." --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:35:49 -0700 > From: udo.freund at lmco.com > To: geysers at wwc.edu > Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names > > I humbly submit that another feature in the Kaleidoscope group needs to be named before we focus on the Biscuit Basin thing. In my opinion "New Thing Far Left" is a TERRIBLE name that has persisted far too long. If another feature were to break out to the left of NTFL would it become "Newer Thing Even Further Left"? Could we agree that NTFL become "Football Geyser". It's easy to drop the T from NTFL, which then becomes NFL -- the acronym for the National Football League, or more simply Football. > And why do we need to name the Biscuit Basin feature after a mineral? Not that I object to that -- I'm just asking. > Thanks, > Udo Freund _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted From mabdepot at msn.com Wed Jul 19 19:20:26 2006 From: mabdepot at msn.com (MA Bellingham) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names (UGB) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: While we are on the subject a conversation lately was that "Improbable" and "Pathetic Little Hole" could benefit from more fittings names too. I agree. MA M.A. Bellingham mabdepot at msn.com From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Jul 19 19:29:12 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:29:12 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names Message-ID: <379.487b4e80.31f04478@aol.com> In a message dated 7/19/2006 6:22:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, udo.freund at lmco.com writes: Could we agree that NTFL become "Football Geyser". It's easy to drop the T from NTFL, which then becomes NFL -- the acronym for the National Football League, or more simply Football. And why do we need to name the Biscuit Basin feature after a mineral? Not that I object to that -- I'm just asking. One thing that people must remember is "priority." Per Lee Whittlesey and others, as part of a long query I sent about a year (or more) ago, NTFL is now the accepted name for that geyser, because NTFL as a name has appeared in what amount to (or fully are) official reports. Sorry. It is NTFL. (In fact, it isn't even NTFL Geyser, just NTFL!) Now, if people want to go through some sort of rigamarole to get this changed to something else, then go for it. And "Football" would be, in my humble opinion, ridiculously stupid. I would have no objection to a telescope or periscope or whatever, but... maybe reserve those for the future. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060719/d9fa3af0/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Jul 19 19:36:58 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:36:58 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Index geyser names Message-ID: <54f.35e9c85.31f0464a@aol.com> Here's something that could result in some fun! Attached as a Word file is my current index (in book order) to the names that will appear in the 4th Edition of The Geysers of Yellowstone (assuming there ever will be such an edition). That it is in book order ought to give hints, but I bet there will be a few queries ... and comments! Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060719/918ac776/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: INDEX for TGOY 3 column.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 87040 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060719/918ac776/attachment.obj> From udo.freund at lmco.com Thu Jul 20 09:12:22 2006 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names Message-ID: Scott wrote: And "Football" would be, in my humble opinion, ridiculously stupid. I would have no objection to a telescope or periscope or whatever, but... maybe reserve those for the future. Ridiculously stupid was the intent. Football, IMHO, is far less dumb than New Thing Far Left. Perhaps "Proctoscope" is a better name - in honor of the place where the namer's head was when NTFL was invented. (c:) Thanks, Udo Freund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060720/02e9d1cc/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Jul 20 13:50:18 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:18 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 19 and 20 Message-ID: I never got around to posting a geyser log yesterday, July 19, not that I had much to say as I was only in for a short time. (An 83 degree day at 7,300 feet is hot.) There was a very strong marathon recovery Giant hot period at 0742, d = 9m 05s. But thereafter it was a series of weak things. Grotto, too was weak. Yesterday into today its eruptions -- at least four of them -- all had durations of 1 hour or less. Yes. Yesterday, Plume gave intervals of 67, 57, 68 and 77 minutes. Beehive was at 1151 yesterday, Indicator of 13 minutes, I = 24h 41m Today, July 20, I started the day by being the only witness to a huge blue-bubble superburst at Great Fountain, at 0636. I'd been there for all of 30 seconds. Castle had an odd minor -- or should we say minors -- today. It started at 0646, erupted for 3 or 4 minutes, stopped, restarted at 0658 for 5 or 6 minutes, and stopped again. Grand at 0751 was a T1Q. Beehive at 1142 with Indicator of 8 minutes, I = 24h 20m. I didn't write down a single Plume time today. There were Giant hot periods at 0129 (said to have been excellent, though obviously not good enough), then seen at 0729 (d < 4 min), 0847 (d = 2m 43s), 0959 (strong with lots of Mastiff and Cave to 1 or 2 feet, etc., d = 6m 15s only, however), and 1056 (d ~ 1 1/2 min). The Magpie Fire up Nez Perce Creek near Mary Mountain continues to burn. It lays down at night, and then the smoke drifts down the valley into the Lower Basin. Today it looked like a moderately dense fog at 0615, about as it was yesterday. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060720/15e235bc/attachment.html> From obrien at rush.aero.org Thu Jul 20 17:33:09 2006 From: obrien at rush.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:33:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser names In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:12:22 PDT." Message-ID: <200607210033.k6L0X9908612@rushe.aero.org> Hey, I can be as stupid as the next person! New Thing Far Left <==> Baby Green Party Geyser From jochapple at earthlink.net Thu Jul 20 19:26:19 2006 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (Janet Chapple) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:19 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? Message-ID: <0568ed4c5eaf517b9e0a58736e0e8516@earthlink.net> Hello Listserve, In trying to access the revised Website, which I understand should be available at: http://www.geyserstudy.org, I continually get the following message: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Can you help me? Thank you, Janet Chapple -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060720/6a6f4725/attachment.bin> From seide1 at mindspring.com Fri Jul 21 02:12:35 2006 From: seide1 at mindspring.com (Stephen J. Eide) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:12:35 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] and one more thing... Message-ID: <44C09A83.4E2E2C45@mindspring.com> Hello again One last thing from the first week of July, it had already been reported that Congress pool is now a couple of feet below overflow. However on July 3rd it looked like it had started to deposit sulfur crystals on the walls of the pool. The water was still weakly opalescent so now the pool looks green rather than pale blue. Stephen Eide From lord_aragorn_elessar at hotmail.com Fri Jul 21 12:13:59 2006 From: lord_aragorn_elessar at hotmail.com (Paul Behunin) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:13:59 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I waited to see if anyone would come up with the following suggestion, and was surprised when no one did. How about "Granite Geyser" for the new (currently) bicolored geyser? It's a mineral (in keeping with the mineral themed names in Biscuit Basin) that is most commonly black, grey and white. Nice alliteration too. "Salt and Pepper" would tie into the culinary theme of the two Mustard Springs and Cauliflower Geyser. We could also try something completely different (like Avoca Spring), such as "Domino Geyser" or "Zebra Geyser," because dominoes are commonly black and white, as are zebras. However, bearing in mind that the darker part may change, I would humbly suggest naming the feature after the Gemini twins in Greek mythology, "Castor and Pollux." The double nature of the geyser suggests twins, and many of the myths (not all) have one twin being mortal (Castor), while the other was immortal (Pollux). Twins, yet decidedly different. It is pretty obvious that the clear vent would probably be designated "Pollux," but it may be better not to make this distinction and let the visitors make up their own minds which is which. If the dark part clears, we would still have a twin based and therefore appropriate name for another of Yellowstone's fascinating geysers.......as long as both vents stay active! Paul V. Behunin ----Original Message Follows---- From: TSBryan at aol.com Reply-To: geyser observation reports To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:43:07 EDT In a message dated 7/17/2006 7:54:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, geyser1 at netzero.net writes: Some of the more well known minerals of the garnet group include almandine, pyrope, grossular, andradite, and spessartine. Of these, andradite commonly occurs in darker shades of brown and black. The others are commonly used in the gem trade and tend to be more colorful (reds, oranges, pinks). Well, then there is the iron-iron garnet, melanite, which is truly black... But as for that spring at Biscuit, probably we need to wait on a name, or simply come up with something "generic" as 1) the spring might not persist; and 2) the "black" part likely will not stay black. Scott Bryan _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Jul 21 18:30:59 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:30:59 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 21 Message-ID: <32f.7f60f8c.31f2d9d3@aol.com> An interesting day, though with nothing really outstanding... except maybe Grand. Grand erupted at 2131 last evening, then not again until 0849 today. That's interval of 11h 18m. Yeah. And a T1C good for slightly less than 10 minutes, to boot. There were Giant hot periods at 0758 (d = 4m 00s), 0948, (D = 3m 25s), and 1102 (d = 8m 44s, quite strong with Mastiff to 4 to 6 feet at times). I heard nothing more from Giant as of 1400. The action at Giant seems to have rather little to do with Grotto these days. Grotto continued its series of short eruptions, today's (start @1039) having a duration of about 1 1/2 hours. That made 9 or maybe 10 consecutive shorts. Oblong was at 0550 ie and 1057, so I ~ 5h 07m. Daisy was at 0732 and 0950 ( I = 2h 18m), but we missed the next due to a too-long Beehive watch. Beehive was at 1314, that being I = 25h 32m. The Indicator today was 16 minutes. Plume had consecutive intervals of 77, 80, 67, 61, and 68 minutes. Yes, it seems to be getting a bit longer. Bye. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060721/165caf15/attachment.html> From seide1 at mindspring.com Sat Jul 22 12:00:17 2006 From: seide1 at mindspring.com (Stephen J. Eide) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:00:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] NTFL Message-ID: <44C275C0.A9BD168D@mindspring.com> Greetings and Salutation, So, am I the only one that likes the name "New Thing Far Left"? If it changes, it changes, but it will always be NTFL to me. Stephen J. Eide From caroloren98 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 14:48:48 2006 From: caroloren98 at hotmail.com (carolyn loren) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:48:48 +0000 Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? In-Reply-To: <0568ed4c5eaf517b9e0a58736e0e8516@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I've gotten that too, try geyserstudy.computerpoint.net c >From: Janet Chapple >Reply-To: geyser observation reports >To: geyser observation reports >Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:19 -0700 > >Hello Listserve, > >In trying to access the revised Website, which I understand should be >available at: http://www.geyserstudy.org, I continually get the following >message: > >Forbidden > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > >Can you help me? > >Thank you, >Janet Chapple >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Jul 22 15:08:13 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:08:13 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Grand July 10 to 22 Message-ID: <3bd.6db2061.31f3fbcd@aol.com> Grand has been throwing out some longer intervals, the most extreme being the 11h 18m of July 21. The following simply lists the consecutive intervals for you to play with as you wish. All times were taken from the OFVC logbook; electronic times are taken as accurate, as are the one i.e. time and the one n.s. time. Note that for this period, Grand's mean interval works out to 7h 59m 15s (presumed multiple intervals not included). 6:28 (T2C0 8:37 (-2C) 8:09 7:29 (T2Q) 7:37 (G1C) 6:59 10:10 (T1C) 7:30 (T1C) 6:52 7:21 (T1Q) 6:45 (D0/G1Q) [13:50, double?] 7:21 (T2Q) 6:55 8:36 9:19 7:03 (2B) 9:52 (2B0 10:08 (T1Q) 8:50 7:10 (D3/T1C) 8:43 (D6/T1C) [13:42, double?] 8:16 (2B) 6:50 (i.e.) 8:09 6:57 [18:18, double?, triple?] 6:52 6:48 11:18 (T1C) 9:13 8:54 6:29 (n.s., 1B) Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Grand erupted at 0925, 4 minutes after the start of Rift, for an interval of only 6h 29m Grotto started a marathon at about 1700 yesterday and was still going as of 1030 today. Daisy had an interval of 2h 07m. In the Lower Basin, Fountain was i.e. at 1125. After several days of seeing nothing in the Pink Cone Group, at 0633, Pink Cone, Narcissus and Bead were all it, and Box Spring went at 0637. Minutes before I'd seen Logbridge have a nice 10-12 foot eruption with a duration of 28 seconds. All for now. Because Grand has been pulling some somewhat-longer intervals recentIy, pulled the times from the last 13 days from the VC logbook. I'll post a summary separately. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060722/772d6abb/attachment.html> From siegmund at gci.net Sat Jul 22 17:55:11 2006 From: siegmund at gci.net (Gordon Bower) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:55:11 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Message-ID: We've had an awful lot of suggestions on here about different ways to say Black and White in a name. Far be it from me to say anything uncondimentary about Salt and Pepper, or suggest that Granite isn't a gneiss name. When Scott first was brainstorming black-and-white possibilities and coming up only with banded onyx, I almost posted then to suggest Gneiss. Seeing the path the discussion has taken, it's time I say why I didn't. In the case of thermal features named after ocean products like coral and pearl, rare precious stones like emerald, topaz, and beryl that aren't found anywhere near the park, manmade metals like bronze, and nonnative trees like ebony, it is abundantly clear that the thermal feature is named after it only because of an outward resemblence. On the other hand, there is real black sand near Black Sand Pool, real calcium carbonate at Calcite Springs, real arsenic sulfide (even if most of it isn't really realgar) at Realgar Spring, real sulfur at Sulfur Dust Pool, real glacial moraine at Till Geyser, a real dead mouse found floating in Peromiscus Spring once upon a time... I am opposed to seeing a thermal feature named after a mineral (rock, fossil, tree,etc) which is found in the Yellowstone area (or is non-precious and common in some other area not too far away) unless the substance is actually present in the vicinity of the thermal feature. I think names like Granite, Garnet, Gneiss, Feldspar, Tuff, Trilobite, would all make great names for a thermal feature SOMEWHERE -- but no granite anywhere near Biscuit Basin. As for "Salt and Pepper" the only thing I find odd about that is having the and-bit followed by (singular) Geyser. Come to think of it, there are both black and white peppercorns.... perhaps something like the Pepper Mill would do nicely as a name even without salt included, and allow for it to someday run out of black stuff to grind up and spit out? I don't have Wonderland Nomenclature handy, but is there not already either a Castor or a Pollux somewhere in Yellowstone? GRB From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 05:59:40 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:59:40 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? In-Reply-To: <0568ed4c5eaf517b9e0a58736e0e8516@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Try using this url http://geyserstudy.computerpoint.net/default.htm >From: Janet Chapple >Reply-To: geyser observation reports >To: geyser observation reports >Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:19 -0700 > >Hello Listserve, > >In trying to access the revised Website, which I understand should be >available at: http://www.geyserstudy.org, I continually get the following >message: > >Forbidden > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > >Can you help me? > >Thank you, >Janet Chapple >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dmonteit at icehouse.net Sun Jul 23 13:22:01 2006 From: dmonteit at icehouse.net (David Monteith) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant Sunday, July 23 (A true Mastiff Function?) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060723131517.00b18100@mail.icehouse.net> I just heard from Tara. Please excuse the approximate times. I'm sure we'll get a better report but there were a couple facts about the eruption that have me excited. So here is what a I gleaned from my very excited and happy wife. Giant erupted today, Sunday July 23, at 1320. The eruption came approximately 10 hours after an approximately 34 hour Grotto Marathon. At the time of the expected Grotto re-start. The hot period was unusual. Mastiff started erupting about 3 1/2 minutes into the hot period with both the front and back vents taking part. The eruption reached 30 feet and lasted about 2 minutes. At which point everything stopped. Mastiff dropped a few inches below overflow and feather stopped (I can't remember what Tara said about Bijou but I think she said it was off.) After what seemed like an eternity to those watching but was actually relatively quick, Giant started surging vertically and Mastiff began to quickly rise again, boiling constantly. Mastiff erupted to 50 feet and then Giant kicked in. Mastiff continued to erupt for the first three minutes of the Giant eruption. Catfish also joined in. I can only image all three of those geysers erupting simultaneously. What a sight it must have been. In Tara's words the eruption was huge. Giant was estimated at 220 feet. Tara said it appeared that every gazer in the park was at Giant. Please excuse any inaccuracies in this report. This eruption has me excited. For a while now, the behavior of the geysers along the line from Grotto to Oblong have been an excellent indicator of impending Giant eruptions. The only surprise for me about today's eruption was that it waited until the afternoon. Furthermore, this is the first Mastiff function I know of in the last 12 years that mimics the behavior reported by Marler in the final years of the 1950's activity. In particular, the simultaneous eruptions of Catfish, Mastiff and Giant resulting in exemplary eruptions of all three. Oh What A Year. Dave From lauriebr at netw.com Sun Jul 23 11:04:29 2006 From: lauriebr at netw.com (Laurie Brown) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:04:29 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names References: Message-ID: <008301c6ae82$72460210$7638b2d8@memoria> > As for "Salt and Pepper" the only thing I find odd about that is having > the and-bit followed by (singular) Geyser. Come to think of it, there are > both black and white peppercorns.... perhaps something like the Pepper > Mill would do nicely as a name even without salt included, and allow for > it to someday run out of black stuff to grind up and spit out? > > I don't have Wonderland Nomenclature handy, but is there not already > either a Castor or a Pollux somewhere in Yellowstone? > > GRB What's the name of those little holes on the top of Lone Star? Aren't they something about either salt or pepper shakers/mills? Laurie, Dark Phoenix lauriebr at netw.com Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; give him a freshly-charged Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again. -- Tanuki From mbschwar at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 17:03:01 2006 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:03:01 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Mastiff & Giant 23 July 2006 Message-ID: Oblong erupted at 07:04 and 12:38. The Giant hot period started at 13:09 with Feather, quickly followed by Feather Satellite. Mastiff was 3-5' and wide and then erupting at 13:13. At 13:14:41 Mastiff quit and there were no vents erupting at 13:15, and there had been no water seen in Giant's cone. The crowd suddenly became very quiet waiting to see what would happen next. Mastiff was rising at 13:15 and Giant had some water in the cone and the SW Vents at 13:17 followed by Feather. At 1318 Mastiff was 5-6' and then erupting to about 50'. Giant had water in the cone with vertical splashes and the high column of Giant rose late in 13:19. Mastiff lasted about 3 minutes and maybe someone can give an estimate of the height of Catfish (I was trying to photograph it). All of this happened in a short time and everyone was quite excited and screaming. There had been rain in the morning and the cloudy sky was breaking up a bit when the hot period began, with sun on the last part of the eruption. For some gazers this was their first Giant or their first Giant start. What a day! Mary Beth From jochapple at earthlink.net Sun Jul 23 18:17:45 2006 From: jochapple at earthlink.net (Janet Chapple) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:17:45 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33de679200348be8d8657965f532e554@earthlink.net> Thanks, Lynn, this URL works fine. I'd like to suggest that it should be published in the masthead of each issue of the Sput. Janet ------- On Jul 23, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > Try using this url > > http://geyserstudy.computerpoint.net/default.htm > > >> From: Janet Chapple >> Reply-To: geyser observation reports >> To: geyser observation reports >> Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? >> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:19 -0700 >> >> Hello Listserve, >> >> In trying to access the revised Website, which I understand should be >> available at: http://www.geyserstudy.org, I continually get the >> following message: >> >> Forbidden >> You don't have permission to access / on this server. >> >> Can you help me? >> >> Thank you, >> Janet Chapple > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at wwc.edu >> https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jul 24 06:43:34 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:43:34 EDT Subject: [Geysers] New Giant chart Message-ID: <3c2.646b9be.31f62886@aol.com> Well, shucks -- had I not been driving a tour, I would have been there; had the stupid thing gone an hour earlier, I would have been there, too. But as it was, Giant erupted yesterday about 25 minutes after I departed Old Faithful with my group.Win a few, lose a few. Anyhow, attached is a new jpg of Giant's intervals through July 23. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How about "Granite Geyser" for the new (currently) bicolored geyser? It's a mineral (in keeping with the mineral themed names in Biscuit Basin) that is most commonly black, grey and white. Nice alliteration too. "Salt and Pepper" would tie into the culinary theme of the two Mustard Springs and Cauliflower Geyser. We could also try something completely different (like Avoca Spring), such as "Domino Geyser" or "Zebra Geyser," because dominoes are commonly black and white, as are zebras. However, bearing in mind that the darker part may change, I would humbly suggest naming the feature after the Gemini twins in Greek mythology, "Castor and Pollux." The double nature of the geyser suggests twins, and many of the myths (not all) have one twin being mortal (Castor), while the other was immortal (Pollux). Twins, yet decidedly different. It is pretty obvious that the clear vent would probably be designated "Pollux," but it may be better not to make this distinction and let the visitors make up their own minds which is which. If the dark part clears, we would still have a twin based and therefore appropriate name for another of Yellowstone's fascinating geysers.......as long as both vents stay active! Paul V. Behunin ----Original Message Follows---- From: TSBryan at aol.com Reply-To: geyser observation reports To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:43:07 EDT In a message dated 7/17/2006 7:54:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, geyser1 at netzero.net writes: Some of the more well known minerals of the garnet group include almandine, pyrope, grossular, andradite, and spessartine. Of these, andradite commonly occurs in darker shades of brown and black. The others are commonly used in the gem trade and tend to be more colorful (reds, oranges, pinks). Well, then there is the iron-iron garnet, melanite, which is truly black... But as for that spring at Biscuit, probably we need to wait on a name, or simply come up with something "generic" as 1) the spring might not persist; and 2) the "black" part likely will not stay black. Scott Bryan _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 10:11:22 2006 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Thanks to geyser people last week... Message-ID: <20060724171122.23537.qmail@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As a long-time geyser enthusiast who is still pretty wet-behind-the-ears, I must say that I truly appreciated the opportunity to meet several experienced geyser people last week in the UGB (especially July 16 to 19), and I greatly value the wisdom and friendship they demonstrated. My own time in the basins has been unfortunately brief over the years, and the help and knowledge that all of you folks imparted was a great help to my family and me during our most recent visit. I tend to be quite shy myself, and having folks who are open and friendly also makes for a comforting experience. I still haven't managed to see a Giant, but thanks to the help of others I was able to experience Penta Geyser this time around, and one generous fellow gave my son and I a nice crash course in what constitutes a Giant Hot Period...as I read the reports that come in, I will now be able to picture what is actually happening in the moments before Giant plays. Another gave us some concept about the theoretical relationship between Little Squirt and Beehive's behavior. All great stuff. Finally, thanks to the announcements over the radio about times and events, the process of hotfooting it all over the basin was much more rewarding than in the past when we were radio-silent. I am reluctant to mention any names lest I get them wrong or leave someone out, but those of you who recognize my name, please be aware that the time you spent talking and explaining was a great help to us. Thank you! Bruce Jensen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Jul 24 20:39:06 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:39:06 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Message-ID: <57c.1eac350.31f6ec5a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/2006 6:44:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, lauriebr at netw.com writes: What's the name of those little holes on the top of Lone Star? Aren't they something about either salt or pepper shakers/mills? Those small vents atop Lone Star are The Pepperbox".. but I've long wondered if the name wasn't originally applied to nearby Perforated Cone. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 25 03:38:47 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:38:47 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant Sunday, July 23 (A true Mastiff Function?) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060723131517.00b18100@mail.icehouse.net> Message-ID: David Monteith wrote the following about the July 23 eruption of Giant: >Giant erupted today, Sunday July 23, at 1320. The eruption came >approximately 10 hours after an approximately 34 hour Grotto Marathon. At >the time of the expected Grotto re-start. I think maybe what David meant to write was "At the time of the expected recovery hot period." Following an approximately 34 hour marathon, I would not expect the Grotto restart for a LONG time. Intervals following marathons are ROUGHLY twice the duration--i.e., after 24-26 hour marathons, the interval is about 45 - 50 hours and after 30 - 33 hour marathons, have been about 58 - 60 hours. The marathon probably stopped somewhere between 3 and 4 am, so I would not have expected the next Grotto start until sometime on July 24. I told several people that following an approximately 34 hour Grotto Marathon, the recovery hot period should probably wait until 10-12 hours after the end of the marathon, which put my window at 1pm - 3pm. I believe a couple other people had put the window at noon - 2 pm for the window for the recovery hot period. >The hot period was unusual. Mastiff started erupting about 3 1/2 minutes >into the hot period with both the front and back vents taking part. The >eruption reached 30 feet and lasted about 2 minutes. At which point >everything stopped. Mastiff dropped a few inches below overflow and >feather stopped (I can't remember what Tara said about Bijou but I think >she said it was off.) Bijou did turn back on for a brief time following the first eruption of Mastiff, then turned off again as the hot period restarted. >For >a while now, the behavior of the geysers along the line from Grotto to >Oblong have been an excellent indicator of impending Giant eruptions. The Oblong interval preceding this eruption was 5h34 minutes rather than the sub-4 hour interval it's had prior to several of the recent eruptions of Giant. >Furthermore, this is the first Mastiff function I know of in >the last 12 years that mimics the behavior reported by Marler in the final >years of the 1950's activity. In particular, the simultaneous eruptions of >Catfish, Mastiff and Giant resulting in exemplary eruptions of all three. I don't have my logbooks here with me, but I do have a photograph of Catfish (with the dual spires) from an eruption in either July or August 1997 when Mastiff and Catfish and Giant were erupting simultaneously in exemplary eruptions of all three. (Even with my wide angle lens I couldn't get Catfish, Mastiff, and Giant in the same photo plus there was plenty of steam that morning.) This eruption of Mastiff was taller than the 1997 eruption, but Mastiff was still hitting 50 feet and Catfish was between 30-35 feet and Giant was HUGE. I'll have to check my logbooks, but I also believe I saw an April eruption in the 2000's with an "exemplary" eruption of Catfish and a 50+ foot eruption of Mastiff. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From geyser1 at netzero.net Mon Jul 24 20:05:02 2006 From: geyser1 at netzero.net (geyser1 at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:05:02 GMT Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Message-ID: <20060724.200524.745.31724@webmail17.lax.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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But as >it > was, Giant erupted yesterday about 25 minutes after I departed Old >Faithful >with my group.Win a few, lose a few. > >Anyhow, attached is a new jpg of Giant's intervals through July 23. > >Scott Bryan ><< GiantasofJuly232006.JPG >> >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From lord_aragorn_elessar at hotmail.com Tue Jul 25 12:40:32 2006 From: lord_aragorn_elessar at hotmail.com (Paul Behunin) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:40:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <008301c6ae82$72460210$7638b2d8@memoria> Message-ID: I just looked up Lone Star in "The Geysers of Yellowstone," and the last sentence of the first paragraph says "The minor vents are known collectively as The Pepper Box." Paul V. Behunin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Laurie Brown" Reply-To: geyser observation reports To: "geyser observation reports" Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:04:29 -0700 > As for "Salt and Pepper" the only thing I find odd about that is having > the and-bit followed by (singular) Geyser. Come to think of it, there are > both black and white peppercorns.... perhaps something like the Pepper > Mill would do nicely as a name even without salt included, and allow for > it to someday run out of black stuff to grind up and spit out? > > I don't have Wonderland Nomenclature handy, but is there not already > either a Castor or a Pollux somewhere in Yellowstone? > > GRB What's the name of those little holes on the top of Lone Star? Aren't they something about either salt or pepper shakers/mills? Laurie, Dark Phoenix lauriebr at netw.com Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; give him a freshly-charged Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again. -- Tanuki _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Jul 25 15:53:00 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:53:00 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 25 Message-ID: <268.ba66a24.31f7facc@aol.com> Very little to report here. Given that Giant is in a recovery mode (presumably, anyhow), gazers were rather scattered, some visiting other parts of the park. I was in, but got little reportable stuff. Daisy had an interval of about 2h 13m. Grotto was in marathon yesterday into last night. The recovery hot period took place at 0934 but lasted not more than 5 minutes -- Mastiff boiled to maybe 6 inches accompanied by Feather, Feather Satellite, SW Vents, and a bit of action in Rust and Cave. Black Diamond clearly erupted during the night, as my water level-marker rock of yesterday was gone today. Great Fountain erupted in fog dense enbough to completely hide the eruption, at 0708. Castle went. Grand went. Beehive was probably around 0100, now having had 2 or 3 short intervals. Etc. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060725/5e06ee8a/attachment.html> From gosastore at qnet.com Tue Jul 25 16:23:07 2006 From: gosastore at qnet.com (Udo Freund) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:23:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? In-Reply-To: <33de679200348be8d8657965f532e554@earthlink.net> References: <33de679200348be8d8657965f532e554@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44C6A7DB.5030806@qnet.com> Another URL that works is http://geyserstudy.org/ which I believe should be the primary one. Seems like adding the "www." to this makes it not work, possibly because there is no redirect for it to Don's computerpoint.net site, or??? Udo Janet Chapple wrote: >Thanks, Lynn, this URL works fine. I'd like to suggest that it should >be published in the masthead of each issue of the Sput. > >Janet >------- > >On Jul 23, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > > > >>Try using this url >> >>http://geyserstudy.computerpoint.net/default.htm >> >> >> >> >>>From: Janet Chapple >>>Reply-To: geyser observation reports >>>To: geyser observation reports >>>Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? >>>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:19 -0700 >>> >>>Hello Listserve, >>> >>>In trying to access the revised Website, which I understand should be >>>available at: http://www.geyserstudy.org, I continually get the >>>following message: >>> >>>Forbidden >>> You don't have permission to access / on this server. >>> >>>Can you help me? >>> >>>Thank you, >>>Janet Chapple >>> >>> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Geysers mailing list >>>Geysers at wwc.edu >>>https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Geysers mailing list >>Geysers at wwc.edu >>https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060725/edf8ffc8/attachment.html> From ralpht at iglou.com Tue Jul 25 15:59:32 2006 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:59:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? In-Reply-To: <33de679200348be8d8657965f532e554@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'd recommend using the official URLs of www.gosa.org And www.geyserstudy.org Since the other URL is subject to change from time to time. The reason for the "forbidden" message was a temporary glitch while we were getting the above URLs registered to our new servers. During that time the old website server, which was set to re-direct any accesses to the new site, ceased to work. As Don said in another email, it should be working soon. Ralph Taylor -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Chapple Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 7:18 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Forbidden? Thanks, Lynn, this URL works fine. I'd like to suggest that it should be published in the masthead of each issue of the Sput. Janet ------- On Jul 23, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Lynn Stephens wrote: > Try using this url > > http://geyserstudy.computerpoint.net/default.htm > > >> From: Janet Chapple >> Reply-To: geyser observation reports >> To: geyser observation reports >> Subject: [Geysers] Forbidden? >> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:19 -0700 >> >> Hello Listserve, >> >> In trying to access the revised Website, which I understand should be >> available at: http://www.geyserstudy.org, I continually get the >> following message: >> >> Forbidden >> You don't have permission to access / on this server. >> >> Can you help me? >> >> Thank you, >> Janet Chapple > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Geysers mailing list >> Geysers at wwc.edu >> https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From gosastore at qnet.com Tue Jul 25 17:03:46 2006 From: gosastore at qnet.com (Udo Freund) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:03:46 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Thanks to geyser people last week... In-Reply-To: <20060724171122.23537.qmail@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060724171122.23537.qmail@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44C6B162.90002@qnet.com> It's always wonderful to hear the positive take on things. Thank you, Bruce. Coincidentally, this week GOSA Store and Press received an anonymous letter postmarked in Salt Lake City that said much the opposite. Since I did not want to edit or retype it in its entirety, I attached it as a .jpg image. While I (and apparently Bruce) disagree with many aspects of this view, I thought I'd pass it along for you to judge and comment upon. Udo Bruce Jensen wrote: >As a long-time geyser enthusiast who is still pretty wet-behind-the-ears, >I must say that I truly appreciated the opportunity to meet several >experienced geyser people last week in the UGB (especially July 16 to 19), >and I greatly value the wisdom and friendship they demonstrated. My own >time in the basins has been unfortunately brief over the years, and the >help and knowledge that all of you folks imparted was a great help to my >family and me during our most recent visit. I tend to be quite shy >myself, and having folks who are open and friendly also makes for a >comforting experience. > >I still haven't managed to see a Giant, but thanks to the help of others >I was able to experience Penta Geyser this time around, and one generous >fellow gave my son and I a nice crash course in what constitutes a Giant >Hot Period...as I read the reports that come in, I will now be able to >picture what is actually happening in the moments before Giant plays. >Another gave us some concept about the theoretical relationship between >Little Squirt and Beehive's behavior. All great stuff. Finally, thanks >to the announcements over the radio about times and events, the process of >hotfooting it all over the basin was much more rewarding than in the past >when we were radio-silent. > >I am reluctant to mention any names lest I get them wrong or leave someone >out, but those of you who recognize my name, please be aware that the time >you spent talking and explaining was a great help to us. Thank you! > >Bruce Jensen > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060725/1df44129/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <#/attachments/20060725/a46abbb7/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 25 19:46:32 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:46:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Crack Geyser Message-ID: It's not Giant or Giantess or Black Diamond or Echinus, but Crack Geyser (across the road from White Dome) is active. According to Scott's book, the last time it was active was 1988. I've only seen it in eruption once, so don't have duration or intervals yet. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From caros at aros.net Tue Jul 25 23:32:28 2006 From: caros at aros.net (Karen Webb) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:32:28 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant Sunday, July 23 (A true Mastiff Function?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C70C7C.7030801@aros.net> Please, did anyone take pictures?? Karen Lynn Stephens wrote: >David Monteith wrote the following about the July 23 eruption of Giant: > > > >>Giant erupted today, Sunday July 23, at 1320. The eruption came >>approximately 10 hours after an approximately 34 hour Grotto Marathon. At >>the time of the expected Grotto re-start. >> >> > >I think maybe what David meant to write was "At the time of the expected >recovery hot period." >Following an approximately 34 hour marathon, I would not expect the Grotto >restart for a LONG time. Intervals following marathons are ROUGHLY twice >the duration--i.e., after 24-26 hour marathons, the interval is about 45 - >50 hours and after 30 - 33 hour marathons, have been about 58 - 60 hours. >The marathon probably stopped somewhere between 3 and 4 am, so I would not >have expected the next Grotto start until sometime on July 24. > >I told several people that following an approximately 34 hour Grotto >Marathon, the recovery hot period should probably wait until 10-12 hours >after the end of the marathon, which put my window at 1pm - 3pm. I believe >a couple other people had put the window at noon - 2 pm for the window for >the recovery hot period. > > > > >>The hot period was unusual. Mastiff started erupting about 3 1/2 minutes >>into the hot period with both the front and back vents taking part. The >>eruption reached 30 feet and lasted about 2 minutes. At which point >>everything stopped. Mastiff dropped a few inches below overflow and >>feather stopped (I can't remember what Tara said about Bijou but I think >>she said it was off.) >> >> > >Bijou did turn back on for a brief time following the first eruption of >Mastiff, then turned off again as the hot period restarted. > > > > >>For >>a while now, the behavior of the geysers along the line from Grotto to >>Oblong have been an excellent indicator of impending Giant eruptions. >> >> > >The Oblong interval preceding this eruption was 5h34 minutes rather than the >sub-4 hour interval it's had prior to several of the recent eruptions of >Giant. > > > >>Furthermore, this is the first Mastiff function I know of in >>the last 12 years that mimics the behavior reported by Marler in the final >>years of the 1950's activity. In particular, the simultaneous eruptions of >>Catfish, Mastiff and Giant resulting in exemplary eruptions of all three. >> >> > >I don't have my logbooks here with me, but I do have a photograph of Catfish >(with the dual spires) from an eruption in either July or August 1997 when >Mastiff and Catfish and Giant were erupting simultaneously in exemplary >eruptions of all three. (Even with my wide angle lens I couldn't get >Catfish, Mastiff, and Giant in the same photo plus there was plenty of steam >that morning.) This eruption of Mastiff was taller than the 1997 eruption, >but Mastiff was still hitting 50 feet and Catfish was between 30-35 feet and >Giant was HUGE. I'll have to check my logbooks, but I also believe I saw an >April eruption in the 2000's with an "exemplary" eruption of Catfish and a >50+ foot eruption of Mastiff. > >Lynn Stephens > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > > -- Step out of Thy holy chamber, O Maid of Heaven... Drape thyself...in the silken Vesture of Immortality, and put on, in the name of the All-Glorious, the broidered Robe of Light. From bpnjensen at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 08:07:52 2006 From: bpnjensen at yahoo.com (Bruce Jensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Thanks to geyser people last week... In-Reply-To: <44C6B162.90002@qnet.com> Message-ID: <20060726150752.43133.qmail@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think it takes all kinds of people to make a world, and the GOSA member who is happy and friendly one day may not necessarily be talkative and open the next. On top of this, persons who are involved in scientific inquiry, as Geyser enthusiasts frequently are, may be in the midst of concentration and by necessity may wish to keep their conversations focused. The person who briefly outlined the Little Squirt - Beehive idea for us was in the throes of an Anemone Geyser study, which we recognized, and her pleasant yet businesslike manner was entirely appropriate under the circumstances. I agree it would be generally great if GOSA members would act as gushing ambassadors for the organization and Park and thermal features that they love so well, but as "visitors" (which the July 14 letter points out) they are no more obliged to act this part than the average visitor. Ultimately, just being one's self is probably the best course of action; some acquaintances will respond positively, others will not, but the visitor who is there to see the Park and its features rather than to socialize is still likely to come away with the appropriate sense of awe and respect for what Nature has accomplished. Bruce Jensen ************ --- Udo Freund wrote: > It's always wonderful to hear the positive take on things. Thank you, > Bruce. > > Coincidentally, this week GOSA Store and Press received an anonymous > letter postmarked in Salt Lake City that said much the opposite. Since > I did not want to edit or retype it in its entirety, I attached it as a > .jpg image. > > While I (and apparently Bruce) disagree with many aspects of this view, > I thought I'd pass it along for you to judge and comment upon. > > Udo > > Bruce Jensen wrote: > > >As a long-time geyser enthusiast who is still pretty > wet-behind-the-ears, > >I must say that I truly appreciated the opportunity to meet several > >experienced geyser people last week in the UGB (especially July 16 to > 19), > >and I greatly value the wisdom and friendship they demonstrated. My > own > >time in the basins has been unfortunately brief over the years, and the > >help and knowledge that all of you folks imparted was a great help to > my > >family and me during our most recent visit. I tend to be quite shy > >myself, and having folks who are open and friendly also makes for a > >comforting experience. > > > >I still haven't managed to see a Giant, but thanks to the help of > others > >I was able to experience Penta Geyser this time around, and one > generous > >fellow gave my son and I a nice crash course in what constitutes a > Giant > >Hot Period...as I read the reports that come in, I will now be able to > >picture what is actually happening in the moments before Giant plays. > >Another gave us some concept about the theoretical relationship between > >Little Squirt and Beehive's behavior. All great stuff. Finally, > thanks > >to the announcements over the radio about times and events, the process > of > >hotfooting it all over the basin was much more rewarding than in the > past > >when we were radio-silent. > > > >I am reluctant to mention any names lest I get them wrong or leave > someone > >out, but those of you who recognize my name, please be aware that the > time > >you spent talking and explaining was a great help to us. Thank you! > > > >Bruce Jensen > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Geysers mailing list > >Geysers at wwc.edu > >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > Cheers, Bruce Jensen ~~~~~~~~~~~~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mwjohnson at lanl.gov Wed Jul 26 08:56:02 2006 From: mwjohnson at lanl.gov (Bill Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:56:02 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Thanks to geyser people last week... In-Reply-To: <44C6B162.90002@qnet.com> References: <20060724171122.23537.qmail@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C6B162.90002@qnet.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20060726094622.03a4d0e0@nis-mail.lanl.gov> I second the thank-you, with a particular thanks to Kitt Barger who picked up our copy of TSB's book after we left it sitting on the Beehive benches on Friday following the eruption. As Kitt could confirm, that's an incredibly well thumbed-over book with a great deal of sentimental attachment for us, so we're really happy that someone "adopted" it until we noticed it was missing. In general we continued to learn a lot from you folks, and it was appreciated. Incidentally, we missed the Sunday Giant by about 45 minutes :-(, and thereby hangs a tale. There was a discussion at one point earlier in the day implying that there would have to be a "sacrifice" to get the thing to erupt, i.e., somebody would have to leave and just barely miss the eruption. I forget who it was that I was talking to, but he was on the verge of taking one for the team -- until I mentioned that Emily and I had to start back for New Mexico. Lo and behold, it "worked"... Did the guy who stayed after we left manage to hang around until the eruption? -- Bill Johnson (and Emily), ugly bearded guy in the orange rainwear. From mbschwar at hotmail.com Wed Jul 26 15:16:59 2006 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:16:59 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess 25 July 2006 at 1815 Message-ID: Tuesday evening, 25 July 2006 Donnie and Betty Grisso saw Giantess start at 1815 and felt/heard the thumps from Depression. The Vault initial was at 2249 according to Tara Cross. It was a mixed phase eruption, and there was not much visible after the 1355 Grand today, 26 July. Beehive was at 1356 on 26 July. Mary Beth From WHITLEVM at uwec.edu Wed Jul 26 16:30:52 2006 From: WHITLEVM at uwec.edu (Whitledge, Vicki M.) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:30:52 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Thanks to geyser people last week... References: <20060724171122.23537.qmail@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C6B162.90002@qnet.com> Message-ID: <376546015E56D640AB10F112B8127DDF017021A3@PEPSI.uwec.edu> I have had similar experiences to BOTH Bruce and the anonymous letter sender. I have met some truly wonderful people. I enjoyed meeting them (and look forward to meeting more!) and enjoy hearing when others also have good experiences. Unfortunately, I have also met some people who were very rude and have seen them behave as implied in the letter, either to myself or to others. I have also met some people who were rude until they realized that someone they knew was treating me just fine. They were then quite friendly, so there is some "selective" rudeness but I've also seen some "equal opportunity" rudeness. I think that it is VERY unfair of the letter writer to say that "Those members of GOSA that spend their entire summer in the park, as employees and visitors, are just plain rude." I absolutely cannot agree with such a blanket statement. Lumping everyone together like that is as bad as the people who are rude to those that they don't know. Some people are nice and friendly, some people are not, and some people are usually nice but have a bad day (or even a couple of hours) now and then. It would be nice if more people chose to act like those that Bruce encountered and fewer chose to act like those that the anonymous letter writer encountered. Vicki Whitledge Udo Freund wrote: It's always wonderful to hear the positive take on things. Thank you, Bruce. Coincidentally, this week GOSA Store and Press received an anonymous letter postmarked in Salt Lake City that said much the opposite. Since I did not want to edit or retype it in its entirety, I attached it as a .jpg image. While I (and apparently Bruce) disagree with many aspects of this view, I thought I'd pass it along for you to judge and comment upon. Udo Bruce Jensen wrote: As a long-time geyser enthusiast who is still pretty wet-behind-the-ears, I must say that I truly appreciated the opportunity to meet several experienced geyser people last week in the UGB (especially July 16 to 19), and I greatly value the wisdom and friendship they demonstrated. My own time in the basins has been unfortunately brief over the years, and the help and knowledge that all of you folks imparted was a great help to my family and me during our most recent visit. I tend to be quite shy myself, and having folks who are open and friendly also makes for a comforting experience. I still haven't managed to see a Giant, but thanks to the help of others I was able to experience Penta Geyser this time around, and one generous fellow gave my son and I a nice crash course in what constitutes a Giant Hot Period...as I read the reports that come in, I will now be able to picture what is actually happening in the moments before Giant plays. Another gave us some concept about the theoretical relationship between Little Squirt and Beehive's behavior. All great stuff. Finally, thanks to the announcements over the radio about times and events, the process of hotfooting it all over the basin was much more rewarding than in the past when we were radio-silent. I am reluctant to mention any names lest I get them wrong or leave someone out, but those of you who recognize my name, please be aware that the time you spent talking and explaining was a great help to us. Thank you! Bruce Jensen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6299 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20060726/600b4331/attachment.bin> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Jul 26 18:07:39 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:07:39 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Huly 26 Message-ID: Again, a summary. As reported, Giantess erupted at 1815 last evening. It went into the stam phase rather quickly and was rather weak -- I'm told that on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being best, this was about a 4. This morning it was weakly jetting on occcasion, butn was mostly gentle steam emission except for some 40-50 foot bursts round 0930. It was at that time that I saw (what I infer to be) Clastic Geysr playing to 4 to 6 feet. Plate was also on Giantess function, erupting frequent.y. And Plume too, with intervals of 49, 57, 49, and 58 minutes while I was there. Vault was erupting about every hour, though today's play was virtually all subterranean. Beehive evidently erupted somewhere in the very-rough vicinity of 0400, a Giantess-based interval of only about 14 hours. Grand was up to almost 8 1/2 hours when I left. I was the only witness to a Giant hot period, marathon recovery at 0827. Duration was 5m 00s. Mastiff got up to 3 or 4 feet repeatedly but could not maintain that... Grotto Fountain was at 0838 and Grotto at 0851 -- a weak start at first, but then strong and, evidently, a marathon as it was still i.e. at 1300. Daisy had an ie to ie interval of 2h 46m. Black Diamond evidently had not erupted since pre-dawn yesterday. The report is out that Lynn saw an eruption of Crack Geyser (across the road from White Dome) last evening, but she did not see another eruption today after hours of watching. Bye. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060726/ab194360/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 26 19:35:30 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:35:30 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Recording observations In-Reply-To: <44C59508.7070400@qwest.net> Message-ID: Ken Reeves, >>How do you ideally prefer that we turn in and format our observations?: > >Daily verses several days? Turning in--Whatever is most convenient for you. Just please don't wait until the middle of September to turn in observations from August. Format--by day please so I don't have to flip back and forth in the logbook pages. >Ordered by time or by feature? If you could, go ahead and group each day by feature, but if it's too much trouble, just order by time. >Only those actually witnessed or include the ones called on the radio? Since the staff in the Visitor Center can't always hear the radio calls, go ahead and include ones called on the radio. You might want to put a "pr" beside those to indicate how you collected the information. >I really want to make my observations as useful with the least amount of >work for the staff as possible. > >Thanks > Thank you for being willing to make the times available to other people, both now and those people who might be doing research in future years. >Ken Reeves (see you at Labor Day...) I plan to be here through about September 10-15, depending on family obligations. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From mabdepot at msn.com Wed Jul 26 20:05:36 2006 From: mabdepot at msn.com (MA Bellingham) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:05:36 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit and Giantess In-Reply-To: <585.184af98.31f81da6@aol.com> Message-ID: >Given that the great majorite (even all?) Yellowstone rhyolite is decidedly >not black... that aside, I suggest we cease this names business, at least >for >now. Yes, there's got to be a better name that somebody, sometime will come >up with. Agreed, Scott. How about.... BSB-UNNG-xxxx Glad you all enjoyed Giantess while we were at Pocket Basin. My friends from North Carolina still thought Riverside, Castle, Daisy, Sawmill, Plume, OF, Grand, and Great Fountain were pretty spectacular! They noticed Dome. Even without Giantess they had an awesome day. Me too. Congrats to Grisso's! MA MA Bellingham mabdepot at msn.com From Joeerg at aol.com Wed Jul 26 23:06:14 2006 From: Joeerg at aol.com (Joeerg at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:06:14 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Thanks to geyser people last week... Message-ID: <567.2a457c1.31f9b1d6@aol.com> In a message dated 7/26/2006 9:52:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bpnj ensen at yahoo.com writes: I agree it would be generally great if GOSA members would act as gushing ambassadors for the organization and Park and thermal features that they love so well, but as "visitors" (which the July 14 letter points out) they are no more obliged to act this part than the average visitor. Ultimately, just being one's self is probably the best course of action; some acquaintances will respond positively, others will not, but the visitor who is there to see the Park and its features rather than to socialize is still likely to come away with the appropriate sense of awe and respect for what Nature has accomplished. Bruce Jensen ****** Gushing is neither required or desired; however, civility is. Debby Stahl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060727/4022db15/attachment.html> From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Thu Jul 27 07:55:25 2006 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:55:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names In-Reply-To: <008301c6ae82$72460210$7638b2d8@memoria> Message-ID: As I recall, the one at Lone Star is called the Pepper Box. Rocco has information on it. Lee Whittlesey "Laurie Brown" m> cc: (bcc: Lee Whittlesey/YELL/NPS) Sent by: Subject: Re: [Geysers] Biscuit Basin names geysers-bounces at w wc.edu 07/23/2006 11:04 AM MST Please respond to geyser observation reports > As for "Salt and Pepper" the only thing I find odd about that is having > the and-bit followed by (singular) Geyser. Come to think of it, there are > both black and white peppercorns.... perhaps something like the Pepper > Mill would do nicely as a name even without salt included, and allow for > it to someday run out of black stuff to grind up and spit out? > > I don't have Wonderland Nomenclature handy, but is there not already > either a Castor or a Pollux somewhere in Yellowstone? > > GRB What's the name of those little holes on the top of Lone Star? Aren't they something about either salt or pepper shakers/mills? Laurie, Dark Phoenix lauriebr at netw.com Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; give him a freshly-charged Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again. -- Tanuki _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From jwescottrn at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 09:24:28 2006 From: jwescottrn at yahoo.com (Joan Wescott) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Rude Gazers and Giantess In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060727162428.17406.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com> Reading the recent comments regarding the rudeness of the gazers does prompt me to comment. I have been gazing since 1994, yet I am a very immature gazer compared to those that are able to be at YNP more frequently than I to study and observe the geysers in depth. I am grateful for the time and commitment that helps to educate and the continual documentation that adds to the history for future study. I too have experienced some unpleasantness from the more renown gazers and their reluctance to share information when asked questions. I have met people that portray a certain arrogance or even some cliquishness within the group of gazers but it is human nature and when doesn't one experience these traits anywhere in life? I just keep asking questions and ignore the behavior since I know that unnecessary rudeness from someone is not about me but about the persons own psyche. It isn't going to change the fact that I am interested in learning more about the geysers and will search out the information I need to know. That is why this informative source of sharing information via email is so wonderful! Again I must say that in May when I finally was able to see Giant erupt, I am still grateful for Kitt Barger announcing "Who ever wants to see Giant erupt better come now!" over the radio. The information that she, Scott and KC provided for me over those days added so much. And I hope when I return in August and September there will be those that will willingly share their experience and information again. Yellowstone Park is a wonderful place and it is so cool that so many of us are drawn together due to our love, curiosity, and fascination of the geothermal phenomena. Thank you for hearing my interpretation and psychological assessment of the " gazer rudeness". I am a nurse any-who, but not a psych nurse! Critical care is my field. I would love to hear more info on the Giantess eruption and any relation to Plume? Joan Wescott RN, CCRN __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com Thu Jul 27 10:17:29 2006 From: kendall.madsen at onyxgfx.com (Kendall Madsen) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:17:29 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Crack Geyser Message-ID: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA372845A1103A@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> Lynn, Thanks for the information on Crack Geyser. I did not realize that it had recently become active. We actually observed Crack geyser in eruption on July 18th @12:14 on our way home. I had never seen the geyser before so we stopped, watched it, and took a picture (inserted below). I don't know how long the eruptions lasted . We watched the last 4 minutes of the eruption at which time it ended. Kendall -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu ] On Behalf Of Lynn Stephens Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:47 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Crack Geyser It's not Giant or Giantess or Black Diamond or Echinus, but Crack Geyser (across the road from White Dome) is active. According to Scott's book, the last time it was active was 1988. I've only seen it in eruption once, so don't have duration or intervals yet. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060727/8f7ebec5/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are the eruptions similar in height and duration to the good old days? Libby Medley ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall Madsen To: geyser observation reports Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active We visited Norris today, and we were surprised to find out Echinus was active. This may have already been reported and I missed it , but just in case:. I looked in the log book and talked to the ranger. From the log book, the first observed eruption was reported on July 11, at 13:13 (water was muddy). According to the ranger, Echinus is going every 2-3 hours and has been since the 11th of July except for one 12 hour interval on July 13th. While we were there, Echinus erupted at 12:21 and 15:09 for an interval of 2 hours 48 minutes. It was nice. 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Durations are 6 to 7 minutes, and the height I guess around 6 feet. Today it erupted at 1345, per Lynn. Fountain erupted at 0824ns and 1148, 3h 24m being the shortest (?) of 2006. In the afternoon, I had to wait about a minute to see Logbridge, D ~ 31s. In the UGB, Plume produced consecutive intervals of 54, 53 and 59 minutes. Beehive apparently erupted at 0316ie (heard, not seen). That was ann interval somewhere in the neighborhood of 13 hours -- Giantess effect, for sure. Grand was at 0812. That interval was 10h 20m. The eruption was a T2C but had a duration of only about 9 1/2 minutes. Oblong was 0640ie and 1251, interval 6h 11m. Daisy gave an interval of a little more than 3 hours, this in a nearly windless (hot, cloudless -- 84 degrees in West at 1515) day. Grotto was in marathon yesterday. The time it quit is unknown (in the night). The post-marathon Grotto Fountain was at 1014 (D = 19m) and Grotto at 1030. This Grotto, as seems increasingly typical, had a short duration of 10 minutes, and the following two hours (until I departed) was punctuated by frequent, but weak and brief, South Grotto Fountains. Today, before and after the Grottos, Giant had observed hot periods at 0716ns, 0838, 1005, 1128, 1225, and 1336. All were less than 5 minutes long (most much shorter) and weak. Notable????? is that at 1203ie for a duration longer than or equal to 3 minutes I saw North (yes, North) Purple Pool erupting 1 to 2 feet above its rim. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060727/54fdd171/attachment.html> From ynp4me at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:06:35 2006 From: ynp4me at yahoo.com (V) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] Yellowstone Books at Bargain prices Message-ID: <20060728010635.50607.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com> Here are some books on Yellowstone from Bookcloseouts! 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Coupon Code: Summer5 Coupon Password: Bookcloseouts.com Value: Get $5 off an order of $25 or more Coupon Code: Summer10 Coupon Password: Bookcloseouts.com Value: Get $10 off an order of $50 or more Coupon Code: Summer20 Coupon Password: Bookcloseouts.com Value: Get $20 off an order of $100 or more (Note: Above minimum order amount is before shipping/handling) ~~~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From korynp at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 19:57:19 2006 From: korynp at gmail.com (Kory Collier) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:57:19 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Crack Geyser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On July 21 at approximately 1430 I was watching an eruption of White Dome when I heard something erupting across the road. I was rather baffled when I went over to see what it was, since it obviously wasn't one of the geysers I'd seen there before, but a quick look in The Geysers of Yellowstone revealed that it was Crack. The duration of that eruption was about four minutes (sorry about the inexactness), assuming I heard it right after it started, which I believe I did. I instantly became curious to know when it had first been seen again. What's the earliest known eruption since it reactivated? Kory Collier On 7/25/06, Lynn Stephens wrote: > > It's not Giant or Giantess or Black Diamond or Echinus, but Crack Geyser > (across the road from White Dome) is active. According to Scott's book, > the > last time it was active was 1988. I've only seen it in eruption once, so > don't have duration or intervals yet. > > Lynn Stephens > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060727/b8a509f0/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Jul 28 11:35:07 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:35:07 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Brief geyser report July 28 Message-ID: <408.53e2f300.31fbb2db@aol.com> I was in the park for only a short while today -- I had some stuff to do there, but also a lot to do here at home. And it's too hot, anyhow -- 82 degrees in West at 1130. But... Apparently Black Diamond was seen yesterday, by visitors at around 1700 who described it as 40 or 50 feet high. This morning it had clearly erupted again, as the wash area to the northeast was quite wet. Rocks not visible yesterday were widespread today, and the flat "muffin" rock that yesterday was within the pool is now about two feet outside of the pool (this rock is maybe 18 inches across and 6 inches thick). Beehive remains on the short intervals that began with the Giantess activity. Yesterday it was at 0316ie, then 1520 (I ~ 12h 04m), and this morning at 0452 (I = 13h 32m). Plume today had intervals of 53 and 53 minutes. Grotto was in marathon yesterday and into the night, so today most gazers were in the Giant area waiting for the recovery. I wish them luck, but at this moment it's still less than 5 days since the last Giant. I saw Mercury at 0910 and 0951. Perhaps especially for Lynn, at 1022 Gemini was in eruption with what appeared to be a solo all by itself. There was quite a lot of gurgling in Crack but no obvious change in water level in Pebble. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060728/c57e1326/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 18:17:20 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:17:20 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Crack Geyser In-Reply-To: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA372845A1103A@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> Message-ID: Thank you to Kendall and Kory for the reports on Crack Geyser. THIS REPORT IS INTENDED FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF THE READERS OF THIS LISTSERV AND MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE. I am guessing that Crack reactivated about July 7 or 8, when Scott and I first saw Pebble in overflow. I had been noting whether Pebble was full or below overflow whenever I drove past it, but I was already mentally in vacation mode, so hadn't spent a day at White Dome watching water levels. I got back to Old Faithful the afternoon of July 20. The next few days were spent in the office while listening for Giant hot periods (yes, I was at the July 23 Giant eruption for the start, but I'm still in the technological dark ages using film in my camera.) So I hadn't gotten around to the project on my "To Do List" of spending a day at White Dome watching water levels in Gemini and Pebble. As Scott reported, I spent much of July 26 waiting for an eruption, which finally happened at 14:55. An eruption of Gemini occurred 5 minutes before Crack, the eruption of Crack lasted about 7 minutes, and another eruption of Gemini occurred about an hour after Crack. Several gazers were present for the two eruptions. I stayed until 2000 so I had 12 hours of White Dome eruptions, and no other eruptions occurred in the complex. On July 27 I started observing the complex at 5:20 am. No eruptions happened until Crack erupted at 13:45, with a duration of 6 1/2 minutes. Gemini started a series at 1640 and finished at 17:24. I watched most of the first burst of Great Fountain, then returned to the complex, saw Crack splashing and gave a radio call "No guarantees, but Crack is splashing." Several gazers came running or driving down and were rewarded with an eruptoin of Crack at 2004 (I = 6h19m) and a concurrent eruption of Gemini at 2005. Today Pebble was not in overflow at any point during the day. I watched for a few hours in the early morning, then took a break, so missed the Gemini eruption that Scott saw. I checked Pebble's water level frequently today; it was always below overflow and the overflow channel was never wet. I never saw any indication that Crack had erupted, and the conditions that existed in the other features prior to the 3 Crack eruptions that I did see never happened today. Hopefully this is just a brief hiatus rather than a return to dormancy. On another note--Jim Holstein reported Lemon Pool below overflow today and the road was damp. I had seen it below overflow and murky, but had never seen any evidence of an eruption--no wash, and no water on the road. But, given the high temperatures we've had, any water on the road would dry quickly. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From mikeg at math.jhu.edu Fri Jul 28 18:55:11 2006 From: mikeg at math.jhu.edu (Michael Goldberg) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond eruption record In-Reply-To: <408.53e2f300.31fbb2db@aol.com> References: <408.53e2f300.31fbb2db@aol.com> Message-ID: At first I would not have expected "Black Diamond" to have more than one eruption. Shows what I know. Now that it's gone at least a half-dozen times, I hope that gazers are keeping it under some degree of surveillance. Are there other known eruptions of this feature beyond the ones that Scott has mentioned? Is someone keeping track of this activity, or is it at least being recorded consistently in the Old Faithful logbook? Has anyone observed what goes on in between eruptions? Inquiring minds want to know... Michael Goldberg mikeg at math.jhu.edu From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Jul 28 19:48:05 2006 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:48:05 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Biscuit and Giantess Message-ID: <323.916170e.31fc2665@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2006 6:01:52 PM Mountain Standard Time, mabdepot at msn.com writes: >Given that the great majorite (even all?) Yellowstone rhyolite is decidedly >not black... that aside, I suggest we cease this names business, at least >for >now. Yes, there's got to be a better name that somebody, sometime will come >up with. Agreed, Scott. How about.... BSB-UNNG-xxxx Make that UNNG-BSB-8 (well, at least I think it's "8"). TSB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060728/dc299d87/attachment.html> From ljmedley at teleport.com Sat Jul 29 00:08:07 2006 From: ljmedley at teleport.com (elizabeth medley) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] RESEND: Echinus picture 7/15 References: <8716841C8350FD4680557BC5DA372845A1109A@OSMAIL.mail.onyx> Message-ID: <007301c6b2dd$bfb4ede0$75dbf204@emc> Thanks for the photo! Hope it is still performing when we arrive the end of August. Libby & Jay Medley ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall Madsen To: geyser observation reports Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: [Geysers] RESEND: Echinus picture 7/15 Apparently the picture didn't import correctly the first time. Here is a second try I got home from my Yellowstone trip about a week ago and have finally got around to organizing the pictures I took. To best answer the question below, here is an image of Echinus from an eruption on July 15 @ 1509. Kendall ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of elizabeth medley Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:34 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Echinus is active Great news about Echinus! Are the eruptions similar in height and duration to the good old days? Libby Medley ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall Madsen To: geyser observation reports Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: [Geysers] Echinus is active We visited Norris today, and we were surprised to find out Echinus was active. This may have already been reported and I missed it , but just in case:. I looked in the log book and talked to the ranger. From the log book, the first observed eruption was reported on July 11, at 13:13 (water was muddy). According to the ranger, Echinus is going every 2-3 hours and has been since the 11th of July except for one 12 hour interval on July 13th. While we were there, Echinus erupted at 12:21 and 15:09 for an interval of 2 hours 48 minutes. It was nice. Kendall Madsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060729/e27852b1/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My two bits on the name of the new double spouter near the river at Biscuit: When I saw the rather remarkable difference in water color, it struck me that Salt and Pepper was a great name for it, even if the darker water eventually does clear up. I'd like to keep that name to memorialize how it looked for the first many weeks of its known existence---nothing wrong with naming a feature after circumstances or observations of its debut (unless a word like "new" gets used, of course!) 3. On the 26th, we walked up on an eruption of Fountain, roughly at about 1100. From the top of the stairs, I noticed water erupting up from a sort of little bay at the very back of Morning's pool. Is that Morning's Thief? (The main area of the Morning pool wasn't doing anything, but the pool was full.) It was erupting for a lot of the time that Fountain was, often just boiling up a foot or two, but sometimes surging up to about six feet, maybe more. 4. On the 23rd (when we should have been waiting on Giant), we waited on Echinus with a fairly large crowd. A naturalist at the museum told me that the intervals had typically been 3 to 4.5 hours, but tending toward the shorter end of that range. When we were at the 3.5 hour mark since the previous eruption and had been waiting about half an hour, some members of our party began to get quite doubtful and impatient. With a little help from my son Caden, I composed this limerick to entertain them: A lady who sat at Echinus decided to call it "Your Highness." She said, "If I flatter, perhaps it will splatter." But her grand idea was a minus. As if able to be goaded by bad poetry, Echinus erupted less than five minutes later. My rough assessment of the eruption was that it was about two-thirds as vigorous as the best ones I remember from years long past. The crowd seemed generally very pleased by it. 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I could not see that it had actually erupted, but it certainly acted close to it. The water, still blue, was essentially opaque with sediment. Fun, again. (Who cares if Giant erupted. Ah, yes. Well....) P.S. I am surprised that as of Sunday at 1930, I do not see a report that Giant erupted today, Sunday July 30 at 0239, apparently Mastiff function seen by a number of die-hard gazers. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060730/c1626901/attachment.html> From lstephens2006 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 30 18:36:14 2006 From: lstephens2006 at hotmail.com (Lynn Stephens) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] observations,Morning's Thief (Stephens) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>3. On the 26th, we walked up on an eruption of Fountain, roughly at >about >1100. From the top of the stairs, I noticed water erupting up from a sort >of little bay at the very back of Morning's pool. Is that Morning's Thief? >(The main area of the Morning pool wasn't doing anything, but the pool was >full.) It was erupting for a lot of the time that Fountain was, often just >boiling up a foot or two, but sometimes surging up to about six feet, maybe >more. Yes that is most probably Morning's Thief. Sometime stop to look when Fountain isn't erupting because it's much easier to see that Morning and Morning's Thief are separate features. Morning's Thief is a feature that is separated from Morning by a sinter wall between Morning and the vent that is Morning's Thief. Once Fountain starts and sends water into Morning and Morning's Thief fills, it appears that Morning's Thief is part of Morning, but it isn't. Lynn Stephens _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 30 19:36:17 2006 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:36:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant 7-30-06 @ 0239 Message-ID: <000001c6b44a$1d0208d0$d48de404@MikeKeller> Giant Geyser erupted at 0239 on Sunday, July 30th. The eruption is the 4th this month and took place about 10 hours after the conclusion of a 24 hour marathon eruption of Grotto Geyser. The interval was just over 6 ? days. The hot period started at 0227 with Mastiff quickly reaching overflow and surging from 2-4 feet. At the 3 minute mark, ?India? was under an inch of water. All the normal vents were erupting in front of Giant (Feather, Feather?s Satellite, Rust, and 3 ?Southwest? Vents). About 5 minutes into the hot period, Mastiff stopped surging but continued to overflow heavily. Around the 7 minute mark, Mastiff began surging 3-6 feet, by the 8 minute mark it was surging up to 8 feet, and at the 9 minute mark it was as tall as Giant?s cone. If Cave and Turtle were doing anything, it wasn?t noted as we were all watching Mastiff. Mastiff began erupting at 0229, with the front vent quickly reaching 30-40 feet. Within 30 seconds the back vent of Mastiff was also in eruption. About a minute into Mastiff, the back vent started jetting as high as 60 feet. With this, Bijou entered a loud, roaring steam phase. Giant started at 0239 and completely drenched the viewing platform. The eruption was sharply angled towards it. Paul Strasser, who was in the area of the ?GIP? when Giant started, felt this eruption was as big as the one last week. Catfish started at 0241 and was easily 20-30 feet high. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060730/1ff8f108/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 30 19:49:25 2006 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:49:25 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond on 7/29 Message-ID: <000001c6b44b$ef7f92e0$d48de404@MikeKeller> I spent most of my day at Black Diamond on 7/29, first arriving around 11:00am. The Strassers and Tara Cross had been there a while before I arrived and said it has not been seen in daylight. When I arrived, Black Diamond was in overflow with periodic bubbling seen over many areas of its basin. The water was grey/white and very murky. In the center, slightly off to the north, there appeared to be heavier, more consistent periods of upwelling and bubbling. Most of the bubbles were marble to golf ball sized. Over the next 7 hours, the water level slowly rose about ??. Starting at 1604, the bubbles coming over the main vent would occasionally be softball sized. Finally, at 1753, Black Diamond erupted. There were about 7 of us staring at the pool when it started. It gave NO warning. There was another softball sized bubble, then suddenly the whole center of the pool heaved and it was in eruption. The eruption lasted about 20 seconds and reached as much as 20 feet in height, being as wide as it was tall. Loud thumping and popping sounds could easily be heard while it was erupting. The water color changed from the milky grey/white to obsidian black. It looked like it was erupting asphalt. The lower third of the water column was ?chunky? with rocks, gravel, and debris. As quickly as it started, the eruption stopped. Over the next 90 minutes there were several periods of heavy upwelling but no further eruption was seen. The periods of upwelling gradually diminished until they were no longer visible at 1940. When I left the area, Black Diamond looked exactly as it had when I arrived at 1100. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060730/df0e6003/attachment.html> From tddandngd at adelphia.net Mon Jul 31 09:00:11 2006 From: tddandngd at adelphia.net (Tom and Genean) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess 25 July 2006 at 1815 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Did anyone get a picture of Giantess? Please send a large (4 x 6 inch, 300 dpi jpeg) file. We would like to put it in the August Sput. Thanks. Tom and Genean On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:16:59 -0600, MaryBeth Schwarz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday evening, 25 July 2006 Donnie and Betty Grisso saw Giantess > start at 1815 and felt/heard the thumps from Depression. The Vault > initial > was at 2249 according to Tara Cross. It was a mixed phase eruption, and > there was not much visible after the 1355 Grand today, 26 July. Beehive > was > at 1356 on 26 July. > > Mary Beth > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > __________ NOD32 1.1680 (20060727) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From dlgrisso at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 09:35:56 2006 From: dlgrisso at yahoo.com (Donnie Grisso) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] 7/25 Giantess In-Reply-To: <110.621a25c0.31feb6a4@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060731163556.94413.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> Betty and I just returned home from a fabulous 18 day trip to the park. Since I saw very little posted on the list serve I thought I would give my details of the 7/25 Giantess eruption. On our last full day in the park, Betty and I had had a great day. We saw Oblong twice ( 10:09 and 14:47). About 3 minutes into the 14:47 Oblong, the Beehive indicator was called at 14:50. Hoping for a long indicator we hoofed it to the hill and just made it as Beehive erupted at 15:03. We also saw Depression at 10:57 and Aurum at 11:31. I also saw my 10th consecutive 1 burst Grand ( is that some sort of record ? ) at 14:19. My luck was so bad at Grand and the 1 bursts that Mary Beth asked me jokingly if I would mind staying away? Mary Beth, I'm gone now and hope the current Grands are doing better. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Having already had a great day, and preparing to head for home the following morning, Betty and I decided to try to catch Aurum one last time. After about 45 minutes, Kitt Barger called us to meet her and the boys at the cafeteria for dinner. It was around 18:10. As we were walking in, we were standing directly in front of the Giantess sign when Betty decided to take one last look at Aurum. All of a sudden we heard this loud "swoosh" and loud thumps and realized the entire Giantess pool was lifting. Talk about excitement!!!!!! I immediately called "Giantess, Giantess " on the radio. I was so excited, I forgot to call the time but it was 18:15. The VC asked "Can you repeat that?". Betty got on the radio and said "G-I-A-N-T-E-S-S!!!" I then said something like "massive overflow at Giantess." Paul Strasser mistook this for "Mastiff overflow at Giant ". It didn't take long for everyone to figure it out as all the gazers converged on the hill in a hurry. Kitt got there first and could still hear and feel the thumps.The first pause was at 18:42, and the second series started at 18:51. At 19:18, we had the cool "train roar" as Giantess converted from water to steam. This lasted a good 15 minutes. Scott Bryan said on a scale of 1 to 10, this Giantess was only a 4, but standing in front of it when it erupted was a 15 for me. Twice in the past, I had walked off the hill only minutes before Giantess erupted, so it was like the geyser gods were saying, "Donnie, this one is for you." At 22:49 we had the initial Vault. There were enough flashlights that it was like seeing it in the daylight. The duration was 25 minutes. What a day!!!!!!!!! In 18 years of geyser gazing, it is hard to believe that in a 2 day period, we saw one of the all time great Giants ( 7/23 ) from the beginning and then got to call the start of the 7/25 Giantess. ( not to mention the 7/13 Giant which I also saw from the beginning in the monkey cage ) If this is all a dream, I do not want to wake up!!!!!! Thanks to all our geyser gazing friends who made this a truly memorable trip. The geysers are great, but the geyser gazers are truly special. We both already miss everyone and can't wait for next summer. Until next time............ Donnie and Betty Grisso --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20060731/7585c8a6/attachment.html> From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Mon Jul 31 18:09:48 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:09:48 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant 30 July 2006 Message-ID: <44CF3876@webmail.colostate.edu> Giant erupted at 02:39 on 30 July 2006. The last water was noted at 04:13. I do not have notes on all the happenings that preceded the eruption. The hot period followed a marathon eruption of Grotto. My impression is that it was quite strong. Mastiff began erupting 2 minutes before Giant, and reached a maximum height of around 50-70 feet. Because of the darkness it was difficult to see how high the start of Giant's eruption was. I remember that all the water, as high up as I could see, was coming down. It completely drenched the observation platform. Catfish also erupted loudly with Giant. Aesthetically, the eruption was unusual because the geyser alone was lit by several large flashlights. It stood out brightly against a black background. Giant's appearance on both the 23 and 30 July eruptions was also unusual because the steam billows stacked up on top of the geyser, but all were pierced by a single water jet. This shape seems unique to Giant. The downdraft around Giant perhaps 10-20 minutes into the eruption is interesting to watch. It has a velocity of about 10-15 MPH. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From tddandngd at adelphia.net Mon Jul 31 22:31:31 2006 From: tddandngd at adelphia.net (Tom and Genean) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:31:31 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Black Diamond on 7/29 In-Reply-To: <000001c6b44b$ef7f92e0$d48de404@MikeKeller> References: <000001c6b44b$ef7f92e0$d48de404@MikeKeller> Message-ID: Hi All, Did anyone get a picture of Black Diamond that we could use in the Sput? Tom and Genean On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:49:25 -0600, Mike Keller wrote: > I spent most of my day at Black Diamond on 7/29, first arriving around > 11:00am. The Strassers and Tara Cross had been there a while before I > arrived and said it has not been seen in daylight. When I arrived, Black > Diamond was in overflow with periodic bubbling seen over many areas of > its > basin. The water was grey/white and very murky. In the center, slightly > off to the north, there appeared to be heavier, more consistent periods > of > upwelling and bubbling. Most of the bubbles were marble to golf ball > sized. > Over the next 7 hours, the water level slowly rose about ??. Starting at > 1604, the bubbles coming over the main vent would occasionally be > softball > sized. Finally, at 1753, Black Diamond erupted. There were about 7 of > us > staring at the pool when it started. It gave NO warning. There was > another > softball sized bubble, then suddenly the whole center of the pool heaved > and > it was in eruption. The eruption lasted about 20 seconds and reached as > much as 20 feet in height, being as wide as it was tall. Loud thumping > and > popping sounds could easily be heard while it was erupting. The water > color > changed from the milky grey/white to obsidian black. It looked like it > was > erupting asphalt. The lower third of the water column was ?chunky? with > rocks, gravel, and debris. As quickly as it started, the eruption > stopped. > Over the next 90 minutes there were several periods of heavy upwelling > but > no further eruption was seen. The periods of upwelling gradually > diminished > until they were no longer visible at 1940. When I left the area, Black > Diamond looked exactly as it had when I arrived at 1100. > > > MK > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1685 (20060731) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Mon Jul 31 22:33:08 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:33:08 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Backcountry Monitoring Report Message-ID: <44D04B60@webmail.colostate.edu> Data loggers were placed at several backcountry geysers during July. Results are as follows: SHOSHONE: Double Geyser I = 70-162 minutes, average = 109 minutes, %stdev = 22% Frill Spring I = 12 hours to 4.6 days 1 to 16 eruptions/series (average = 4.7) The Hydra 8 hours to 3 days between series 1-4 eruptions per series at intervals of 1.5 to 1.7 hours HEART LAKE: Glade Geyser I = 12-20 hours, average = 15 hours, %stdev = 12% GIBBON: Phoenix Geyser I = 4 hours average D = 80 minutes Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Mon Jul 31 23:01:08 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:01:08 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] River Group Message-ID: <44D05836@webmail.colostate.edu> In the River Group on 22 July, we saw a series of eruptions coming every 19-22 minutes from the blue pool between Armored Spring and Brain Geyser (Brain Geyser was dormant). Durations were brief. Maximum height was 8 feet. Each eruption sent a heavy flow of water over the platform and into the river. By contrast, the area on the flat above Fortress Geyser is much less active than several years ago. Only one active geyser, just south of the largest pool, was active. Other geysers further north, including Thermopod Geyser and The Screaming Alien were dormant. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.colostate.edu Mon Jul 31 23:03:32 2006 From: jacross at lamar.colostate.edu (jacross) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:03:32 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Shoshone Message-ID: <44D05912@webmail.colostate.edu> Shoshone Geyser Basin was visited during 25-27 July 2006. In addition to findings reported earlier: 1) Little Giant is so dormant that it remains perfectly placid at all times. Some small sputs to the west and steam vents on the south rim of the crater continue to be active. 2) Meander Geyser is active, but its intervals are more than a day long. The one observed eruption was preceded by an eruption of Trio Geyser. Meander looks completely dormant unless it is erupting. 3) Soap Kettle does not overflow at all, though it still cycles and sends a few splashes over the rim. 4) Slosh Geyser is probably active. It is hot, clear, and surrounded by freshwash. But it failed to wash markers during our trip. 5) There is an interesting geyser in the middle of the terrace in the South Group above Flake Spring. It has blown out several times over the years, going back at least to the 1970's (this info from Rocco). Intervals were just under 2 hours. Durations were about 15-20 minutes. Maximum height is 4-6 feet. It erupts in a series of surges. 6) Nearby, Outbreak Geyser is completely dead. But on the dry flat above it, a hole about 10 x 34 inches has broken out. It opens into a large cavern. Wash from a single, small eruption extends 25 feet downslope. Conditions have not changed from 3 weeks ago, when I first noticed it. 7) Diverted Geyser was active, with one interval of 14 minutes noted. However, its activity is inconsistent, as no eruptions were seen the following day. 8) Not Pectin Geyser is inactive. It is drowned by a shift in the runoff stream. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu