From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Thu Sep 1 17:32:20 2005 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:32:20 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giant refill time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c5af55$c8161ae0$a8cee304@MikeKeller> Over the years I have seen it vary, but most times it takes from 14-20 hours for the water level to rise to a level about 3 feet below overflow in the cone. In the years I have seen the longer fill time, Grotto has had a marathon during or just after Giant began. Bijou tends to take 20-36 hours (sometimes longer) to recover. This was not the case in the 1950's when George Marler wrote that it would take Bijou only 4 hours to recover, and the first hot periods would begin 18-24 hours following Giant. Since 1992, if Giant can manage to have a strong hot period (one lasting at least 8 minutes with surging in Mastiff) within 3-4 days of the previous eruption, there is a good chance it will erupt on a shorter interval. This does not always hold true, but I have never seen Giant have a short (less than 14 day interval) when it takes at least 4-5 days before a strong hot period happens. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Cross Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:23 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Giant refill time How long is Giant taking to refill? Is the refill rate consistent or does it vary? Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Sep 1 18:17:07 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:17:07 EDT Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) Message-ID: <7a.7ac2d235.30490213@aol.com> Lynn, of course, mis-typed when she noted the bench at Grand, which is in the Sput as the "John Reilly" bench. What is not known by many, I suspect, is that John was known as "John" primarily only within Yellowstone. His middle name was Randolph, and to others he was Randy. I will never understand why it was I who received the phone calls from the nursing home in Eureka, CA just before and immediately following his death, but those calls came to me advising of "Randy's" condition. Anyhow -- yes, a good project. Lynn, I will write up a couple of my recollections soon. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050901/33cd8fbf/attachment.html> From ynp4me at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 23:25:52 2005 From: ynp4me at yahoo.com (V) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] quakes at Salton Sea 'mudpots' 5.1, 4.4, 4.5... Vicky Message-ID: <20050902062552.80655.qmail@web53304.mail.yahoo.com> There have been many quakes in the Salton Sea mudpot area over the last few days. Here's a list of the quakes 3.0 and larger from Thursday September 1st. I was there in April and may try to go back down there in September or October! If anyone makes it there- please send a few updated photos! ~ Vicky (in Santa Clarita) 3.3 2005/09/01 20:55:38 ( 2 mi) S of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.3 2005/09/01 20:54:52 ( 2 mi) SSW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.0 2005/09/01 20:51:16 ( 1 mi) SW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.1 2005/09/01 20:50:17 ( 1 mi) SSW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.1 2005/09/01 20:50:14 ( 2 mi) SSW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.2 2005/09/01 20:46:48 ( 2 mi) SSW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.7 2005/09/01 19:46:35 ( 2 mi) SSW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.1 2005/09/01 18:37:07 ( 1 mi) SSW of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.4 2005/09/01 18:30:31 ( 3 mi) SW of Obsidian Butte, CA 5.1 2005/09/01 18:27:19 ( 1 mi) S of Obsidian Butte, CA http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/ci14179736.htm 4.5 2005/09/01 18:27:18 ( 0 mi) NE of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.0 2005/09/01 08:22:45 ( 2 mi) ENE of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.2 2005/09/01 07:06:31 ( 3 mi) NE of Obsidian Butte, CA 4.4 2005/09/01 06:50:20 ( 1 mi) NNE of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.7 2005/09/01 06:50:09 ( 0 mi) E of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.6 2005/09/01 06:48:25 ( 1 mi) E of Obsidian Butte, CA 3.1 2005/09/01 01:24:27 ( 1 mi) E of Obsidian Butte, CA http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/116-33_eqs.htm ~~~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From upperbasin at comcast.net Fri Sep 2 14:15:34 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:15:34 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) In-Reply-To: <200508311937.AA208994570@mail.sisna.com> Message-ID: <20050902211531.6E46B9F7B1@halo.wwc.edu> Lynn: There weren't any benches at Grand as late as 1980 aside from the Railey bench - I have photographs that show this long, empty stretch of boardwalk that was maybe four feet wide. By 1983 (perhaps earlier by a couple of years) there were benches, on the BACK side. The fact that the boardwalk was widened and benches installed in the early 80s was due to the efforts of JR Railey, who submitted memos to the NPS with diagrams describing the problem of crowds, and his proposed solution. Paul Strasser -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of lynn stephens Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:37 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) Thank you to Tom and Genean Dunn for all the work in putting together the Sput. I received the Sput yesterday and noticed that the caption under the "Warnock" picture incorrectly referenced the "John R. Railey" bench. John was a Volunteer in Park for many years and always labeled his reports and signed them "John R. Railey." Because his last season was 1988, many of today's gazers may not know much, if anything, about John. Today I was doing some research in the file cabinets here at Old Faithful and located some reports written by John. I'll be using some of his burst and interval data for comparison purposes in a short article about some of Grand Geyser's eruption characteristics this summer. I also found a report by him labeled "Special Reporton Grand Geyser's Delayed Eruption Observed on May 26, 1978...". This report illustrates his dedication to Grand. This dedication resulted in attachment of his name to the wooden bench at Grand. (As late as 1977 that was the ONLY bench at Grand!) Instead of just asking the editors to printa spelling correction in the October Sput, I'm putting together a "Tribute to John R. Railey, Volunteer in Park". I want to include personal recollections of John as well as reproducing his special report. I would like to include personal recollections from any/all of you who knew John. Please email them to me (lstephens.eagle at sisna.com) by September 13. (Sorry for the short deadline, but I need a couple days to organize them and meet the September 15 Sput deadline.) Thanks in advance for your help with this project. _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From mbschwar at hotmail.com Fri Sep 2 15:18:33 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:18:33 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] 1 & 2 September 2005--PLUME! Message-ID: On 1 Sept. Beehive was at 1229 (ind 1220). There were two giant hot periods reported at 0911 (d~1m25s) and 1055ie (d>or = to 4m). Grand was at 0347 elec and 1228(TiQ). The evening window for Grand was 1845-2145, but Grand had not erupted when the last people left at 2115 (electronic time is not available yet). Ralph Friz said that Turban erupted from 1845 until 1900 (yes, d=15 minutes) and from about 1900 to 1903 Grand's pool rose visibly. The next Turban start was at 1915 (Interval ~30 minutes, so a Delay). PLUME was seen at 1126 and 1719. Artemisia was at 1958ie. Today, 2 September, Beehive was at 1131 (ind 1117). Someone called a Giant hot period at 1203ie (d> or = to 7m) and Herb saw another at 1531 (d~2m43s). Grand was at 0449 electronic and 1313(G1C). PLUME was at 0949 and 1516. Artemisia was seen at 1245ie. Mary Beth From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Sep 2 16:16:24 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:16:24 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 1 and 2 Message-ID: <148.4b407668.304a3748@aol.com> Yesterday a bunch of us -- myself, Ralph Taylor, Dick Powell, Ralph Friz, and KC and Julie Thomson -- went into Sentinel Meadows as a monitor was placed on Iron Pot. And, lo, Iron Pot was in eruption at our arrival. After poking around a bit, among other things seen that The Bulgers are active plus several strong boiling eruptions of Steep Cone, we went on over to Queen's Laundry, and then out the long way, via the Fairy Meadows Group of hot springs where we saw several perpetual spouters and watched Column Spouter. Plume woke up yesterday, with only two observed eruptions (apparently, and believed to have been a closed interval) at 1127 and 1720. It was seen just once today prior to my 1400 departure, at 0949. So it seems to be barely there. Today's Beehive would seem to have been an interval of about 23 hours. Indicator was 14 minutes; West Bubbler started bubbling 40 minutes before the Indicator. There was some wind today, but not strong other than a few brief gusts, so Daisy's interval was 3h 21m. Giant Hot Period, marathon-recovery style, was just after noon ie and had a duration of greater than 7 minutes. But we at Grand never saw anything by Mastiff. "tis all for this time. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050902/fd556673/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Sep 2 16:16:37 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:16:37 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Re: California Earthquakes Message-ID: <88.2e3a38d7.304a3755@aol.com> In a message dated 9/1/2005 10:54:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, ksleany at cox.net writes: I have been watching all the small to moderate earthquakes south of the Salton Sea the last few days. Does this look like a slow adjustment or a warning that something big may be on the way? This activity, which has included several quakes of magnitudes greater than 4, has occurred on the Brawley Seismic Zone that is noted for numerous episodes of such swarms. This zone serves as a connection between the south end of the San Andreas Fault and the north end of the Imperial Fault and, in fact, lies above a spreading zone. The largest of the quakes occurred near Obsidian Butte, at the northeast end of the zone and, therefore, within a handful of miles of the Nilan-area mud pots. I suppose there could be some changes among them, but the liklihood of this leading to a major quake (God forbit, after New Orleans) is very remote. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050902/ee369936/attachment.html> From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Sat Sep 3 05:02:12 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 06:02:12 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) Message-ID: <200509030602.AA1025769734@mail.sisna.com> Paul, Thanks for the contribution. I had found one of John's reports in 1977 requesting that the walk be widened and (at least) four benches added to the one wooden bench. I'll incorporate his wording into your submission. Lynn ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Strasser" Reply-To: geyser observation reports Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:15:34 -0600 >Lynn: > >There weren't any benches at Grand as late as 1980 aside from the Railey >bench - I have photographs that show this long, empty stretch of boardwalk >that was maybe four feet wide. By 1983 (perhaps earlier by a couple of >years) there were benches, on the BACK side. The fact that the boardwalk >was widened and benches installed in the early 80s was due to the efforts of >JR Railey, who submitted memos to the NPS with diagrams describing the >problem of crowds, and his proposed solution. > >Paul Strasser > >-----Original Message----- >From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of >lynn stephens >Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:37 PM >To: geysers at wwc.edu >Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) > >Thank you to Tom and Genean Dunn for all the work in putting together the >Sput. I received the Sput yesterday and noticed that the caption under the >"Warnock" picture incorrectly referenced the "John R. Railey" bench. John >was a Volunteer in Park for many years and always labeled his reports and >signed them "John R. Railey." > >Because his last season was 1988, many of today's gazers may not know much, >if anything, about John. Today I was doing some research in the file >cabinets here at Old Faithful and located some reports written by John. >I'll be using some of his burst and interval data for comparison purposes in >a short article about some of Grand Geyser's eruption characteristics this >summer. > >I also found a report by him labeled "Special Reporton Grand Geyser's >Delayed Eruption Observed on May 26, 1978...". This report illustrates his >dedication to Grand. This dedication resulted in attachment of his name to >the wooden bench at Grand. (As late as 1977 that was the ONLY bench at >Grand!) > >Instead of just asking the editors to printa spelling correction in the >October Sput, I'm putting together a "Tribute to John R. Railey, Volunteer >in Park". I want to include personal recollections of John as well as >reproducing his special report. I would like to include personal >recollections from any/all of you who knew John. Please email them to me >(lstephens.eagle at sisna.com) by September 13. (Sorry for the short deadline, >but I need a couple days to organize them and meet the September 15 Sput >deadline.) > >Thanks in advance for your help with this project. > > >_________________________________ >SISNA...more service, less money. >http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From ralpht at iglou.com Sun Sep 4 11:31:06 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:31:06 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser stats updated on GOSA website (4 September 2005) Message-ID: I have updated the geyser statistics on the GOSA website with the data from downloads on Saturday 3 September. The link to the data is HYPERLINK "http://www.geyserstudy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm"http://www.geyserstu dy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm As always, any comments, questions, or errors noted are welcome. Ralph -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050904/34743152/attachment.html> From mbschwar at hotmail.com Sun Sep 4 12:53:05 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:53:05 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] 3 & 4 September Geyser Report Message-ID: Beehive was at 1131 on 2 Sept. (ind 1117). On 3 Sept. Beehive was at 1055 with Beehive's Indicator at 1050. Grand was 0241 electronic time, 1054(T2C), and 1743(TiC). There were 7 Giant hot periods with the two longest at 0848(d~7m) and 1704(d=8m53s). Little Squirt was still ie at 0730 after an ie the previous evening at 1909. PLUME was seen at 0923,1138,1507, 1710, and 1906. Grotto was at 1108 and 1646 (not ie at 2120). On 4 Sept. Beehive's Indicator was at 1029 with Beehive at 1040. Grand was at 0028 electronic time and 1050(T2*Q), over an hour out of the window. Grotto was in a marathon at 0443ie. PLUME was seen at 0424, 0757,0951, 1159, and 1338. Penta was at 1156ie (still ie at 1258). Mary Beth From cross at bmi.net Mon Sep 5 08:22:21 2005 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:22:21 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENT Message-ID: <20050905152225.0C0A8C18648@zapp.wwc.edu> Until a week from today, posting will be erratic since several of us will be in Yellowstone. Send in anything you want, as usual, and we'll get caught up next week if it doesn't happen sooner. Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator From mabell126 at bresnan.net Mon Sep 5 08:29:08 2005 From: mabell126 at bresnan.net (MA Bellingham) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:29:08 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENT In-Reply-To: <20050905152225.0C0A8C18648@zapp.wwc.edu> Message-ID: I wonder if there's anything going on next week! See you all then. MA -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Carlton Cross Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:22 AM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENT Until a week from today, posting will be erratic since several of us will be in Yellowstone. Send in anything you want, as usual, and we'll get caught up next week if it doesn't happen sooner. Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Sep 5 17:12:43 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:12:43 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 4 and 5 Message-ID: <1ef.4371a69a.304e38fb@aol.com> Yesterday afternoon an expedition of 14 people explored Rabbit Creek. We found Rabbit Creek Geyser to be active on intervals of roughly 15-20 minutes, massive boiling with some bursts higher than the lip at the interior of the crater. The pool just north of there was active, but no big splashes were seen. The next pool north of that ("big enough to hide a Volkswagen") was having intermittent boils and could be considered as a bubble-shower geyser. We also went up to Rabbit Highlands, where we decided that the pools represented three different recipes of tomato soup, plus black bean, broccoli (really overcooked, and old), asparagus, split pea, and uck. The bison skull indicated that none of the soup was very good... Later we found that at least two of the springs along the rift zone have apparently had eruptions, Tuba (name correct?) had a superheated boil for us, and Lotus Baker's "Two Hole" appeared active but did nothing for us. Most other stuff from yesterday has already been reported, but to summarize: Grand's morning daylight interval was 10h 21m. I don't know its next, but then it was at 0033 this morning which led to today's 2 bursts at 1032, interval of 9h 59m.... Plume continues to erupt, somewhat erratically but with most/many intervals in the vicinity of 2 hours.... Daisy today had an interval of 3h 00m. Beehive is holding to intervals of plus or minus from 23 hours... Giant's hot periods have mostly been pretty weak... And Fan and Mortar celebrated their 28-day interval by not erupting. Fountain was short mode yesterday, long mode today. Silex washed away my marker sometime between Saturday morning at 1000 and today at 0730. 'nuff said. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050905/df33bf0f/attachment.html> From Debbie.Sjodin at spl.org Tue Sep 6 11:59:30 2005 From: Debbie.Sjodin at spl.org (Debbie Sjodin) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:59:30 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] possibly trival addenda on Giant 8-29 Message-ID: >>> lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com 09/03/05 19:24 PM >>> Paul, Thanks for the contribution. I had found one of John's reports in 1977 requesting that the walk be widened and (at least) four benches added to the one wooden bench. I'll incorporate his wording into your submission. Lynn ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Strasser" Reply-To: geyser observation reports Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:15:34 -0600 >Lynn: > >There weren't any benches at Grand as late as 1980 aside from the Railey >bench - I have photographs that show this long, empty stretch of boardwalk >that was maybe four feet wide. By 1983 (perhaps earlier by a couple of >years) there were benches, on the BACK side. The fact that the boardwalk >was widened and benches installed in the early 80s was due to the efforts of >JR Railey, who submitted memos to the NPS with diagrams describing the >problem of crowds, and his proposed solution. > >Paul Strasser > >-----Original Message----- >From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of >lynn stephens >Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:37 PM >To: geysers at wwc.edu >Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) > >Thank you to Tom and Genean Dunn for all the work in putting together the >Sput. I received the Sput yesterday and noticed that the caption under the >"Warnock" picture incorrectly referenced the "John R. Railey" bench. John >was a Volunteer in Park for many years and always labeled his reports and >signed them "John R. Railey." > >Because his last season was 1988, many of today's gazers may not know much, >if anything, about John. Today I was doing some research in the file >cabinets here at Old Faithful and located some reports written by John. >I'll be using some of his burst and interval data for comparison purposes in >a short article about some of Grand Geyser's eruption characteristics this >summer. > >I also found a report by him labeled "Special Reporton Grand Geyser's >Delayed Eruption Observed on May 26, 1978...". This report illustrates his >dedication to Grand. This dedication resulted in attachment of his name to >the wooden bench at Grand. (As late as 1977 that was the ONLY bench at >Grand!) > >Instead of just asking the editors to printa spelling correction in the >October Sput, I'm putting together a "Tribute to John R. Railey, Volunteer >in Park". I want to include personal recollections of John as well as >reproducing his special report. I would like to include personal >recollections from any/all of you who knew John. Please email them to me >(lstephens.eagle at sisna.com) by September 13. (Sorry for the short deadline, >but I need a couple days to organize them and meet the September 15 Sput >deadline.) > >Thanks in advance for your help with this project. > > >_________________________________ >SISNA...more service, less money. >http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Sep 6 17:41:15 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:41:15 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser rerport September 6 Message-ID: <13c.1b06019d.304f912b@aol.com> I know this might not be posted for some time, but.. two especially unusual things today. Silex erupted at 1104 initial, seen by Graham Meech. It probably also erupted on Sunday and last week, so may be back to 2 or 3 day intervals. More significant, maybe -- heck, Giant might have gone by now. This afternoon, South Grotto Fountain underwent a series of 13 eruptions. Intervals were mostly on the order of 10 to 12 minutes, durations around 2 minutes. Indicator Spring stayed at a high level throughout, varying up and down only a couple of inches. Most eruptions of South were accompanied by incipient/not quite there action in Startling, and also by sometimes-vigorous Central Vent eruptions. There was often rather heavy splashing in Grotto, heavy enough to make us think it might start without the Fountains. Finally, after a short 5 minute interval, things held off for 23 minutes when Grotto Fountain erupted. Then Grotto started less than 2 minutes later with the biggest initial surgey any of us have ever seen. Really, it certainly reached and might well have topped 50 feet. During all this stuff, Giant Group had a Mastiff bathtub, a weak (2 minute, no Feather Satellite) hot period an hour later, and then another bathtub an hour after the hot period. Being a semi-working homeowner, I had to get back to town, so... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050906/0e229ba1/attachment.html> From Debbie.Sjodin at spl.org Wed Sep 7 08:21:52 2005 From: Debbie.Sjodin at spl.org (Debbie Sjodin) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:21:52 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] once again on Giant Message-ID: Appologies for the aborted attempt of yesterday at filling in details on the Aug. 29 erruption of Giant. The software is rather odd and difficult. Herb Simmon and I plus a couple of fringe gazer freinds, a newbie gazer watching his second hot period ever were basically at the hot period because the water in the GIP had been incredibly high for a day or so and the previous hot period had been weak to say the least. The first vent on was the Southwest vents, followed by Feather and a minute later by Feather satellitre, Rust was bubbling and Turtle was minimally overflowing. The surging in Mastiff never exceeded 3-4 feet and was never very wide. It dropped below overflow once and came back. Feath and Feather Satellite coninued strong throughout the entire hot period. After a brief recovery Mastiff dropped out of sight, Posthole began errupting to about a foot and Cave started errupting also to 1-2 feet. Giant did not display what is called usually vertical surging. The amount of water was massive but less than half the height of the cone for at least 2 minutes. The surges were from back to front and huge. Eventually the height of the surging grew and topped the cone. Best hot period I ever saw. From ralpht at iglou.com Wed Sep 7 21:17:10 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:17:10 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Silex Spring electronic logger results Message-ID: The logger deployed on Silex Spring detects the initial eruptions but usually not the follow-up minor low pool eruptions since they do not put enough water out of the pool to register on the logger. The logger detected six eruptions since late July (not including the eruption of 6 September which occurred an hour or so after I downloaded the information. The eruptions that were recorded were: 28 July 2005 16:36 18 August 2005 21:12 24 August 2005 21:00 27 August 2005 22:24 1 September 2005 00:30 3 September 2005 23:18 As Scott recently noted, the eruptions are occurring at about three-day intervals. At least the latest eruption on 6 September was at 11:00 and not after dark! Ralph Taylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050907/438b01ab/attachment.html> From kreeves at qwest.net Wed Sep 7 21:24:01 2005 From: kreeves at qwest.net (Ken Reeves) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Very late Trip Report, July 6 through July 8 - Ken Reeves Message-ID: <431FBCE1.6070603@qwest.net> I don't think this ever went through due to some problems on my end, hopefully they have been resolved. I apologize for the lateness of this. -------------------------------- It was a short amount of time spent in the basins this year since we spent quite a bit of time in other areas of Yellowstone. Since our trip was in July this year, it was nice to meet some new gazers. I apologize for not spending too much time formally introducing ourselves, but it seems we were always running. Most of the major items were covered by others, so I'll embellish a little on what we did see. First stop was Norris on July 6th. In Porcelain basin, I saw a single eruption of Constant geyser (10:48), and two eruptions of a small geyser just north of Colloidal Pool at 10:11 and 10:22. I wasn't taking detailed notes at this time, but the duration first eruption was on the order of 1 minute and the second eruption was on the order of 5 minutes. I've spent very little time at Norris, so I don't know if this is a new or ephemeral feature, but I couldn't identify it in Scott Bryan's book. Monarch Crater we overflowing and bubbling pretty good. Corporal was making a lot of commotion and thumping with collapsing bubbles, but the "eruption" was a pretty small splash. At Artist Paintpots, the mud was very thick and the best I've seen it so far (which is only a total of 3 times). Several people, myself included, got slightly splattered. In the river group, the mud pots were mostly dry with only a few areas bubbling. Mound put out a few splashes, but we didn't spend much time there due to a combination of time constraints and deer flies? (if that's what they were, they never bit us, but they were thick). Of course, we saw Fountain erupting from there! By the time we got to the Fountain group, not much was happening except for Clepsydra. Red Spouter still had water, but the paint pots were pretty low. Meanwhile, Great Fountain was erupting! We got to Great Fountain to catch the end of it's eruption, but I did get 1/2 hour of Botryoidal data. This included my first observed Botryoidal and A0 dual (I plan on writing a short article for the Sput on Botryoidal). In the Upper Geyser Basin, there's not too much to add. All Plume eruptions I observed were 4 burst. All observed Jewel eruptions were 3 or 4 burst, many with the last burst being pretty pitiful (I considered these as half bursts). It was nice to see Plume and Little Anemone erupting again. I did observe one dual Little/Big Anemone (Big erupted while Little was in eruption). Also, the triple Beehive/Indicator/Old Faithful on July 8th was the highlight of our trip. In Black Sand Basin, Spouter was empty and looked like it has been for quite a while, causing Opalescence to be very vivid and much less "opalescency" than normal. In Midway basin, Opal was empty and also looked like it had been for quite a while. Finally, I think my wife, Renee', is catching the bug because when "River Pause and Splashing in Main Vent" was called out, she was heading down the path so fast that I could barely keep up with her! Non geyser comments, we saw three bear between Mammoth and Tower, and three wolf in Hayden Valley. The focus of out trip this year was waterfalls, and we saw at least 21 falls include Terraced Falls along with Pothole, Diamond, Humpback, and Cleft Cascades. I strongly recommend this hike for a very unique waterfall in an out of the way area. Other out of the way falls included Osprey falls and Little Gibbon falls. That's all for now, and I hope to see many of you next summer. Ken and Renee' Reeves From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Sep 8 16:23:01 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:23:01 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 8 Message-ID: <219.8ab6026.305221d5@aol.com> Although in the park for quite a while today, part of that was wasted at Norris. Really. Steamboat was putting out a lot of water but all jets I saw were weak, none truely concerted, and none as high as the top of the background trees. Rumors of a disturbance seem unfounded unless it is extremely localized in the neighborhood of Orby, which is very muddy. But otherwise, all seemed normal... meaning, not much. In the UGB, Plume has improved to intervals of a little more than one hour -- intervals I know from today were 64 and 77 minutes. The "warning" given by Beehive's "West Bubbler," now apparently becoming known as the "Blurbler," has shortened considerable. Just 18 minutes (I think it was) today brom Bubbler to Indicator. Just saw Ralph's post about Silex. Add to the list todays (9/8) activity in the early daylight. I didn't get the time, but I'm told David Leeking saw it, somebody else saw the crater empty at about 0730, and I saw the crater not quite full with murky blue water at about 0930. This interval therefore a few hours less than 2 days only. The downside is that these episodes are apparently consisting of only one (the initial) major followed by a series of minors of decreasing force as the crater refills. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050908/4001be7d/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Sep 9 16:55:07 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:55:07 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Fountain wild phase Message-ID: <1ff.9b35a5f.30537adb@aol.com> Although I was in the UGB and saw Grand (G1C) but little else, because of sepnding quite a bit of time in the LGB. This because I was fortunate to see the start of a Fountain wild phase. (I've had tremendous luck with Fountain this year, but this was almost too much!) The scenario went like this: 0845 (approx) upon arrival after checking the in-place Silex marker -- Twig active but Jet and Sizzler (I won't call it Super Frying Pan if I don't absolutely have to) were dry. But most notably, although Fountain and Morning were connected as a single pool, Spasm was 100% empty. 0851 Spasm started from the empty crater, with no big bursts but rather a rather gradual build up to bursts not more than 4 feet high (above the water level still well down in the crater). 0855 Fountain starts. Immediately odd, though, as the main vent bursts were very weak (like 10 feet high at the maximum). Fountain duration less than 3 1/2 minutes. 0859 Jet eruption, clearly its first in a long time. Clepsydra quit, but for only about 1 minute. 0905 Fountain starts. As was the case at 0855, the eruption was weak and very much dominated by the front right (secondary or, you might say, "wild phase vent"). Fountain's main vent again quit after about 3 minutes, but this time the wild phase vent continued for another 2 minutes or so. It quit at 0910. 0914 Fountain wild phase starts. No additional Jet prior to my departure at about 0935. ------ 1430 wild phase continues. At this time, Jet was playing every 8 to 13 minutes. Graham Meech had been there for some time and reported those intervals, along with the fact that at one point, with each Jet the water rose in Sizzler. A bit higher each time, this finally resulted in an eruption by Sizzler. In the vicinity of 1430, this was happening again. But then I, and Bob and Cynthia Barwin departed due to an impending storm. 1530 wild phase continues as I headed for West Y in the rain. Scott Bryan P.S. Lynn left the Great Fountain prediction board blank because the morning eruption had "fooled" everybody by being so early. In fact, well before 0800, meaning a double (we hope double) interval of not more than 20 hours. The pool was way down in the crater and there was no boiling. Yet at 1445 I'll bet there were 50 people there, the parking slots full and numerous cars along the road. Hope they enjoyed the wait. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From riozafiro at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 01:12:23 2005 From: riozafiro at earthlink.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:12:23 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser rerport September 6 In-Reply-To: <13c.1b06019d.304f912b@aol.com> References: <13c.1b06019d.304f912b@aol.com> Message-ID: <468F5025-CD08-4ECD-8C99-F05534AEDB22@earthlink.net> Here is a photo of Grotto's start on this day. It was amazing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: grotto.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 51873 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20050912/cd5f7206/attachment.bin> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: grotto.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 56139 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20050912/cd5f7206/attachment.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- Pat S. On Sep 6, 2005, at 5:41 PM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > I know this might not be posted for some time, but.. two especially > unusual things today. > > Silex erupted at 1104 initial, seen by Graham Meech. It probably > also erupted on Sunday and last week, so may be back to 2 or 3 day > intervals. > > More significant, maybe -- heck, Giant might have gone by now. This > afternoon, South Grotto Fountain underwent a series of 13 > eruptions. Intervals were mostly on the order of 10 to 12 minutes, > durations around 2 minutes. Indicator Spring stayed at a high level > throughout, varying up and down only a couple of inches. Most > eruptions of South were accompanied by incipient/not quite there > action in Startling, and also by sometimes-vigorous Central Vent > eruptions. There was often rather heavy splashing in Grotto, heavy > enough to make us think it might start without the Fountains. > Finally, after a short 5 minute interval, things held off for 23 > minutes when Grotto Fountain erupted. Then Grotto started less than > 2 minutes later with the biggest initial surgey any of us have ever > seen. Really, it certainly reached and might well have topped 50 feet. > > During all this stuff, Giant Group had a Mastiff bathtub, a weak (2 > minute, no Feather Satellite) hot period an hour later, and then > another bathtub an hour after the hot period. > > Being a semi-working homeowner, I had to get back to town, so... > > Scott Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > From lauriebr at netw.com Tue Sep 13 10:47:39 2005 From: lauriebr at netw.com (Laurie Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:47:39 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Photos from Mike - Old Faithful Labor Day 2005 and more... References: <20050910045618.6E0837F08A@e3.webshots.com> Message-ID: <009701c5b88b$3dc59110$3636b2d8@porkenstein> Hi all, I've enclosed a link to my photos of the Labor Day trip to Yellowstone that includes the Wine Party at the Old Faithful Lodge, many features in the Rabbit Creek drainage including Rabbit Geyser, and the tomato soup pools. Some photos are in 3D, and all pictures can be viewed in high resolution if preferred. Most of the names I've placed in the Rabbit Creek area were made up by me to go into my GPS as waypoints and I believe most of those features are unnamed. Enjoy, Mike Newcomb ************ Great shots! Thanks for sharing. What does one need to view the 3D shots in 3D, rather than just two shots side by side? Thanks, Laurie, Dark Phoenix, leaving for Yellowstone on Saturday lauriebr at netw.com Curiosity killed the cat. Passing interest only injured him. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050914/da0be0cb/attachment.html> From mbschwar at hotmail.com Fri Sep 16 11:53:44 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:53:44 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GIANT! 16 September 0956 Message-ID: Graham Meech reported Grotto Ftn at 0603ie and Grotto at 0605 (off by 0915). Giant hot periods 16 September were at 0632 (6m 30s, Graham Meech) and 0808 (~3m 26s, Suzanne). At 0943 Graham said that Mastiff was slowly rising. Feather started at 0949. At about 4 minutes Graham called Mastiff to the height of Giant's cone! Mastiff erupted at 0954 (to ~35 feet Lynn said and Catfish had a tall thin eruption). Giant started at 0956. Duration was 105 minutes. Cave did not erupt. Graham, Lynn and others may send more details. Several gazers saw Giant for the first time. Julie T. screamed when Mastiff erupted and someone thought she had seen a bear and was scared. At 1112 Daisy erupted and Grotto at 1145ie ( very near the start) without Grotto Fountain. Grand was at 0123 electronic time and 0847 (Lynn). Beehive's indicator was ie at 1154 (Lynn on the way back from Giant) and Beehive at 1158. Little Squirt was 1201ie. SILEX was at 0817ie (seen by Steve and he drove back to the UGB to let folks know). What a fine day with the geysers! Mary Beth From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Sep 16 19:15:24 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:15:24 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Giant and Silex Message-ID: When I checked my mail earlier, neither of the following had yet been posted. I saw neither event, as I was on a tour -- but the view of the canyon was really nice in the morning light and my group did experience the start of a nice Great Fountain at 1530. GIANT erupted at 0956. I have few details, but evidently there had been hot periods at 0632 (d ~ 6 1/2 m) and 0805 (d ~ 3 1/2 m), and evidently this was a Mastiff function, or at least Mastiff was reported to erupt at 0954. Somebody saw SILEX in eruption at 0817, an interval of a bit longer than 8 days. Tis all I have today. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050916/8de3206d/attachment.html> From mabell126 at bresnan.net Sun Sep 18 06:58:09 2005 From: mabell126 at bresnan.net (MA Bellingham) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:58:09 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] New secondary email for MA Bellingham Message-ID: As I prepare to move to Emigrant I am readying for life without a phone line for a while. Eventually I will get one, but for a period of time will be able to check email at various internet outlets occasionally. After I get email I will still keep this msn address as a secondary email. I will send another note when I pull the plug on the "bresnan" address. The new email is mabdepot at msn.com Those of you who correspond with me might want to make a note of it now. Send me a note and add it to your contacts list! Thanks, MA M.A. Bellingham mabell126 at bresnan.net http://yellowstonephotoworks.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050918/044f3937/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Sep 19 15:11:24 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:11:24 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday Sept 19 Message-ID: <142.4d9a969f.3060918c@aol.com> I was in the geyser basins from about 0730 until 1400 today, about 50-50 UGB and LGB. Totally (100%) cloud free, but a strong wind at times. And wet 40s forcast for next weekend. Silex was active this morning, a bit less than 3 days from last Friday's action. I was there in time to see some of the last minor eruptons as the crater filled. By the way, though quite opaque, the water was blue during the eruptions. Fountain was ie at 0740, ended at 0802, and it quite clearly had erupted again a fair time prior to my visit at 1330. Meaning short mode today. Plume gave intervals of 56, 51 and 51 minutes. >From initial to #2, Lion had an interval of 90 minutes. Unless missed during very short spans when it was out of sight, Daisy did not erupt between 0900 and 1300. Another odd start by Grotto. Grotto Fountain was 1004 very near start (it might have been 1003, but definitely not earlier than that). Grotto did not start until 1018, so a 14 minute delay, and the start was exceptionally _weak_. Ten feet? Maybe? And Grotto Fountain kept on and on, resembling some the eruption I saw in 1988 that I referred to as the "steam break" eruption; that one would repeatedly die down to nothing, or even a weak steam phase but then restart with full force over a total duration of 53 minutes. This one was not that extreme, but the play did nearly stop then pick up and etc several times. It finally quit after 29 minutes, _exactly_ when Mike Lang radioed the start of a Giant Hot Period. That hot period was not much, Mastiff maybe to 1 foot, duration about 5 minutes. Finally, though there appear to have been no eruptions, two items from the Westside Group, seen Saturday and again today. The largest pool in the area, which of all those features is closest to the trail, is doing something intermittent, generally standing an inch or two below its scalloped rim but producing a gently washed area at its east side. And YM-210 is intermittently overflowing its rim, flooding areas that have been dry for months/years. Scott Bryan A non-geyser request, please. I have a step daughter who is the family's "black sheep" (some in the family do not care what happened to her, but...). She and her husband live(d) in Bay St. Louis, MS. There is little doubt that they were wiped out by Hurricane Katrina, but at this point we have heard absolutely nothing. We cannot even seem to learn the status of their property address. Might anybody have a hint of a Website, Internet mail query, or phone number that might help? We (several family members) have tried some to no avail. Off list, of course: _TSBryan at aol.com_ (mailto:TSBryan at aol.com) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050919/91aadf81/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Sep 20 17:41:49 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:41:49 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 20 Message-ID: <19c.3c37bcbe.3062064d@aol.com> In part this was one of those days when everything erupted too soon, about 3 minutes before I got there. Curious event: While awaiting Beehive (see below), it occurred to me that I had not seen Big Anemone in eruption. I should have gone right up to investigate because after Beehive I (and Ralph Friz) found that most of Big's surroundings were bone dry. There had been some sort of eruption, apparently, but it failed to put runoff into either Little Anemone or into the runoffs next to the boardwalk. Meanwhile, Little had runoff much farther downslope than it's "supposed" to, into grassy areas. Interesting. I am sure that the one apparent weak eruption by Big was the only one between 1300 and 1400, and perhaps much longer. Plume, meanwhile, was clicking right along, with observed intervals today of 51, 48 and 47 minutes, plus a double interval of 101 minutes. Yesterday's Beehive was at an interval of 23h 08m. Today's, at 1344 with a 13 minute Indicator, was an interval of 23h 02m. Imagine: predicable at 23:05 + or - 3 minutes! Nobody (really, NObody) was around to witness Grand's start at 0800 or so (it probably ended at 0811, and per distant steam clouds it may have had two bursts). Oblong was full and had what looked like a strong overflow at 0820 but it didn't erupt until 1400 exactly. There was a weak Giant Hot Period that ended at 0831. Duration is unknown, but India was barely touched. No doubt there were more hot periods through the day, but nobody reported one while I was around. Monitor data shows that Daisy is now averaging close to 3 1/2 hours, and today's intervals of 3h 29m and 3h 14m bear that out. Naturalists are now using 3 1/4 hours for predictions. And by the way, Fan and Mortar -- tah-dah -- have not erupted. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050920/51e1c7e4/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Sep 21 14:57:42 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:57:42 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 Message-ID: <1a5.3f126ea6.30633156@aol.com> Some basic info first: Grand at 0853ie, a 1 burst eruption after an interval of less than 6h 43m. Plume gave intervals of 50, 53 and 52 minutes. Beehive was at 1119 for an interval of 21h 35m. Little Squirt was near start at 0921 and Bronze was active. I'd left the Hill more than an hour earlier and apparently nobody was in sight to know anything about the Indicator except that it apparently was first spotted only a few seconds before Beehive. My one interval on Daisy was 3h 05m. Giant's post marathon hot period was only seen near its end, that at 1128. India was about 3/4 covered. Lots of other miscellany, of course, but that comprises the "biggies." You've heard some about the new boardwalk at Grotto. This should give you the feeling: Yesterday I noted odd behavior at the Anemones. Here is a basic rundown of what I observed today: 0902 arrival on Geyser Hill 0906 Big Anemone 0907 Little Anemone 0923 Big, d = 12s 0930 Little, d ~ 12m 0949:18 Big, d = 22s 0951:12, Little, d = 42s 0952:40 Little, d = 11m 22s 1006:41 Big, d = 18s 1012:23 Little 1033 Big 1041 Little During the above time frame I was never more distant than Plume. So intervals on Big Anemone are quite long (17, 26, 17 1/2, and ~27 minutes) and its durations are short. Furthermore, the eruptions begin before any water is visible, starting with noisily gushing steam before spray jetting from the vent. Yesterday I noted that there was no overflow. Today some water was reaching into Little Anemone but there was still none to or along the runoff channels next to the boardwalk. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050921/c5906dca/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mastiff also depth charged for 1.5 hours after one strong hot period. Earlier in my two week trip it was having shorter hot periods and not as much surging. Some definitions: Weak hot period = less than 5 minutes, no overflow or minor overflow from Mastiff that didn't wet India much if at all Strong hot period = 7 or more minutes long with India 70% covered or more GHP = Giant hot period FS = Feather Satellite MOF = Mastiff overflow Most hot periods fell into the weak or strong categories with the exception of a couple that were late in Grotto Marathons and one earlier on the day it erupted. Strong hot periods were mainly 5-7 hours apart but some were from 3h45m to 8 hours apart (excluding Marathon activity). Here is the data from my notes, the OF logbook and key information from Dave Leeking and Suzanne Getter close to the eruption. You can skip down to the bottom for the eruption hot period if you don't want all the details. There were patterns in the hot periods, Sept 13th and 15th had similar sequences and intervals (strong, weak, weak, strong, SW vent bathtub). August 29 1100 Giant Aug 31 0816 Grotto 0847ie GHP d >2.5m 1405ns Grotto 1708 GHP d=3m55s 1821 Grotto Sept 1 0911 GHP d~1m25s 1055ie GHP d>= 4m 1119 Grotto still ie 1546 (marathon?) Sept 2 1203ie GHP d >=7m 1531 GHP d~2m43s Sept 3 0723 GHP d<2m 0848 GHP d~7m ~1043 GHP 1108 Grotto 1222 GHP d>5m 1400 GHP d~4m26s 1527 GHP d=1m31s 1646 Grotto 1704 GHP d=8m53s Sept 4 0433ie Grotto marathon Sept 5 0806 GHP d=3m45s, FS, MOF ~1044 GHP d~2m 1309 GHP d=3m19s, FS 1434 Grotto (first post marathon) ~1443 GHP 1626 GHP d=7m45s, FS, MOF bit not very strong, Mastiff 2', India mostly covered, Cave 2" 1942 GHP d=3m15s, FS, MOF but not much Sept 6 Before 0440 GHP, weak, India dry but water running off platform 0611 GHP d~9m FS, MOF heavy, India covered 0830 Grotto (3rd?) 1426 GHP d=2m 1524 Grotto (4th?) 1658 GHP d=7m43s FS, MOF, Mastiff 3', Cave 1' 1708 Feather restart d=4m3s, big vertical surges in Giant 1928 GHP d=2 2144 Grotto (6th?) 2232 GHP d~8.5m, FS, MOF, heavy overflow Sept 7th 0433ie Grotto (7th?) 0536 GHP d~7m45s, FS (started 6m after Feather), MOF 0859 Bathtub 0929 Grotto Marathon 1014 GHP d=3m5s FS, very little MOF 1129 GHP d=8m15s, FS, MOF, Mastiff 2' 1654 GHP d~6m30s, slight MOF but no FS - unusually long for such a weak GHP but it was 7h25m into the Grotto marathon Sept 8th ~0645Grotto Marathon ends 1108 GHP d=9m25s, FS, MOF Mastiff 3', Cave and Turtle bubbling, India 90% wet (1st post marathon hot period) 1120 Feather restart, d1m10s, a couple of vertical surges from Giant 1522 GHP d=3m50s, FS, India 50% wet 1726 Water in Mastiff but no bathtub afterplay 1820 GHP d~8m50s, FS, MOF Mastiff 3', turtle splashing Sept 9th ~0600 GHP weak 0822 GHP d=1m45s slight MOF O844 Grotto (3rd?) 1010 GHP d=8m20s, Mastiff 2', Cave 2' 1019 Feather restart, d=5m 1325 Grotto (4th?) 1447 GHP d=7m40s, FS, MOF (not very strong), Cave pulsing 0-3', Giant showed water a lot during the hot period and surged a lot in afterplay 1738 Southwest vents on but nothing else d=2m ~1844 Southwest vents on but nothing else 1849ie Grotto Marathon? 1948 GHP d=7m40s Sept 10 0450ie Grotto still in marathon 1502 GHP d=8m35s FS, MOF (1st post marathon) Sept 11 0443ie Grotto 0600ie GHP d>7m FS, MOF, India flooded 0811 GHP D<2m FS 1032 GHP d=3m25s, FS 1150 Grotto 1215 GHP d-9m30s FS, MOF Mastiff 2' Sept 12 0753 GHP d~9m SW, MOF India flooded 1233 GHP d=4m FS, MOF Mastiff 1-2', India 50% wet 1439 GHP d=2m35s FS 1622 GHP d=9m20s FS, MOF 1740 Grotto 2007 GHP d=8m, FS, MOF India covered but OF didn't seem that good. Interval of only 3h45m between strong hot periods!) Sept 13 ~0520 GHP weak India dry 0606 Grotto 0641 GHP d=2m10s 0925 GHP d=9m25s, FS, MOF Mastiff 1-2', cave 2", India flooded 0935 Feather restart, d=3m25s, nice vertical surging in Giant 1324 GHP d=3m 1447 GHP d=3m 1458 Grotto 1605 GHP d=8m40s FS, MOF Mastiff ~ 1.5', no Feather restart but some good vertical surging in Giant and some right-to-left splashing, good depth charging in Mastiff that went on for a long time 1949 Southwest vents on but nothing else d=4m30s 2120 Grotto Marathon starts 2131 GHP d~2m, FS Sept 14 0100 GHP strong, India covered, strong surging in afterplay, Marathon recovery hot period 0621ie GHP d>4m FS, MOF, India 50% wet ~2019 Grotto marathon ends Sept 15 0232 GHP d=10m, India covered 0750 GHP d=4m25s, FS, MOF, India ~ 70% wet 0948 GHP d=3m40s, FS, MOF but not much 1149 GHP d=9m30s, FS, MOF mastiff to 2' and later 2-4', Turtle~6", Cave boiled, India covered 1156 Grotto (1st) 1520 GHP d=2m 1639 GHP d=1m50s 1723 Grotto (2nd) d>4h (I thought this was going to be a marathon but it was not) 1808 GHP d=9m5s, FS, MOF mastiff ~3-4', good boiling and surging in Giant during the hot period, India wet 1820 Feather restart d=2m20s, 1.5 hours of depth charging in Mastiff that ended with a bathtub 2039 Southwest vents on but nothing else d~1m Sept 16 Before 0550 GHP - India damp Grotto 0605, off before 0915 0632 GHP d=6m30s, FS, MOF but not much, India dry, feather strong to the top of Giants cone but overall a weak but long hot period 0805 GHP d<3.5m, FS, little MOF ..and then. ~0941 Bijou Pause 0943 Water visible in Mastiff (me standing on the lower rail, I don't have the balance for top rail) Water rose very slowly, stopped and looked like it would drop, then came up slowly again. 0949 GHP started, Feather and SW vents on, but this was very slow, 6 minutes after I saw water rising in Mastiff! Mastiff starts to overflow 20 seconds later. 0950 FS on 0953 up to this point Mastiff had been doing some good boils but the wind was blowing steam in front of it. Mastiff then started to surge ~4' and Julie Thompson at Oblong could see it as large wide surging and started to scream with each surge 0954 things moved fast - I could see Mastiff surges to the top of the cone now, lots of noise and overflow but it was not staying up all the time 0954 Mastiff erupts continuously - late this minute..Mastiff surges over the tree line seen from the railing in the cage. I call that an eruption, not just surging. Then the noise and water flowing off the platform was amazing with Giant spilling water out the front. 0956 GIANT - we backed off the platform just before Giant washed it clean (and drowned my pack). Only 7 minutes into the hot period! Catfish started at some point but I didn't notice when. Very big noisy eruption. Lots of happy gazers! The duration was 105m. I noticed that Bijou was back in eruption on Sept 17 at 1800, so the recovery is on! GO GIANT! Graham Meech. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050921/ddda3afe/attachment.html> From email.sheri at verizon.net Wed Sep 21 17:40:23 2005 From: email.sheri at verizon.net (sheri) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:40:23 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 References: <1a5.3f126ea6.30633156@aol.com> Message-ID: <037d01c5bf0e$38312780$6401a8c0@your6vw4av77q6> oh T Scott.. Send more photos.... that one is GREAT.. *sheri* who misses Yellowstone....as the seasons change ----- Original Message ----- From: TSBryan at aol.com To: geysers at wwc.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 Some basic info first: Grand at 0853ie, a 1 burst eruption after an interval of less than 6h 43m. Plume gave intervals of 50, 53 and 52 minutes. Beehive was at 1119 for an interval of 21h 35m. Little Squirt was near start at 0921 and Bronze was active. I'd left the Hill more than an hour earlier and apparently nobody was in sight to know anything about the Indicator except that it apparently was first spotted only a few seconds before Beehive. My one interval on Daisy was 3h 05m. Giant's post marathon hot period was only seen near its end, that at 1128. India was about 3/4 covered. Lots of other miscellany, of course, but that comprises the "biggies." You've heard some about the new boardwalk at Grotto. This should give you the feeling: Yesterday I noted odd behavior at the Anemones. Here is a basic rundown of what I observed today: 0902 arrival on Geyser Hill 0906 Big Anemone 0907 Little Anemone 0923 Big, d = 12s 0930 Little, d ~ 12m 0949:18 Big, d = 22s 0951:12, Little, d = 42s 0952:40 Little, d = 11m 22s 1006:41 Big, d = 18s 1012:23 Little 1033 Big 1041 Little During the above time frame I was never more distant than Plume. So intervals on Big Anemone are quite long (17, 26, 17 1/2, and ~27 minutes) and its durations are short. Furthermore, the eruptions begin before any water is visible, starting with noisily gushing steam before spray jetting from the vent. Yesterday I noted that there was no overflow. Today some water was reaching into Little Anemone but there was still none to or along the runoff channels next to the boardwalk. Scott Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050921/11b58b42/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd left the Hill more than an hour earlier and apparently nobody was in sight to know anything about the Indicator except that it apparently was first spotted only a few seconds before Beehive. My one interval on Daisy was 3h 05m. Giant's post marathon hot period was only seen near its end, that at 1128. India was about 3/4 covered. Lots of other miscellany, of course, but that comprises the "biggies." You've heard some about the new boardwalk at Grotto. This should give you the feeling: Yesterday I noted odd behavior at the Anemones. Here is a basic rundown of what I observed today: 0902 arrival on Geyser Hill 0906 Big Anemone 0907 Little Anemone 0923 Big, d = 12s 0930 Little, d ~ 12m 0949:18 Big, d = 22s 0951:12, Little, d = 42s 0952:40 Little, d = 11m 22s 1006:41 Big, d = 18s 1012:23 Little 1033 Big 1041 Little During the above time frame I was never more distant than Plume. So intervals on Big Anemone are quite long (17, 26, 17 1/2, and ~27 minutes) and its durations are short. Furthermore, the eruptions begin before any water is visible, starting with noisily gushing steam before spray jetting from the vent. Yesterday I noted that there was no overflow. Today some water was reaching into Little Anemone but there was still none to or along the runoff channels next to the boardwalk. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050922/513711d6/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Sep 22 16:20:20 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:20:20 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 22 Message-ID: <1c6.3190971a.30649634@aol.com> Not a whole lot of geyser news here today, as I went over to spend a while at West Thumb. Where I did not catch Lone Pine but did see Occasional (intervals of 23, 19 and 22 minutes, one duration of 93 seconds) and a surge by Surge. I did that as a "last visit of 2005," as I will be leaving for California on Sunday, October 2. A couple of people tell me that yesterday's photo showing the new boardwalk at Grotto arrived to them as html mishmash. So here it is again but as a small jpg attachment. Today: In the LGB, I saw Fungoid Spring in eruption at 0801, 2 to 3 feet high. At about 1430, its water level was 2 or 3 inches below the rim. In the UGB I caught little but this: The early report that Grotto had been in marathon was decidedly incorrect. A normal eruption ended at 0949, minutes after the 0946 Giant hot period that lasted all of 2m 12s. I saw Plume intervals of 47, 46, and 50 minutes. Big Anemone seemed about the same as yesterday except perhaps more frequent. Beehive was at 1047 after an Indicator of only 5 minutes. That's an interval of 23h 28m. By the way, it is now believed that yesterdays 1119 eruption with with either a very short or possibly no Indicator. The start of this morning's Grand was again missed, as being 0824 ie (x1C). Tis all. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050922/8cd98915/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: new Grotto bwalk.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 41246 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20050922/8cd98915/attachment.jpg> From upperbasin at comcast.net Thu Sep 22 17:23:24 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:23:24 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 In-Reply-To: <1a5.3f126ea6.30633156@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050923002320.954AED4CD7@halo.wwc.edu> Re the new boardwalk at Grotto. Being able to watch it slowly fill in the minutes before the start is gone. The fantastic view into the "maytag" at the back of Grotto during its start is gone. The sense of a "wall of water" at the start (which was completely safe!) is gone. The walk through the steam is gone. Darn (that's the cleaned up version). Double darn. #%#^$&^$ Anyone ever find out who ordered the change, and why? Paul S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050922/dac33ab9/attachment.html> From jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU Fri Sep 23 11:17:08 2005 From: jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Cross) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Geysers] Shoshone report Message-ID: Shoshone Geyser Basin was visited on 11 September 2005. Notable activity is as follows. Trailside: active Double: A double interval of 2 X 77 minutes was obtained. Little Giant: as noted earlier, there is NO minor eruption with Double's eruption, and NO boiling in the crater. The small perpetual spouter vents between Little Giant and Double are almost completely quiet, but a vent just west of Little Giant is now flowing a small stream toward Shoshone Creek and is sputtering a few inches high. Little Giant does drain abruptly when Double starts. Meander: I think somebody saw the side vents ("Trio Geyser") active earlier this year, but not Meander itself. This is the second consecutive summer in which it has not been seen. Locomotive: dormant. Soap Kettle: lethargic. The activity here is very weak, with only minimal overflow, a far cry from the 1990's. Gourd and Shield: active as usual. Five Crater: active as a geyser when not drowned by Gourd and Shield's runoff. Minute Man: active. No eruptions of the Pool were seen, but it was active earlier this summer. One eruptive phase began after two preliminary series, which preceded the main series by 90 and 46 minutes. The main series was less than 2.5 hours long. Taurus Spring: no signs of eruption. Union: water levels are at -6 feet in the main cone, -5 feet in the north cone. Since the north cone is about 1 foot shorter than the main cone, this indicates a similar water level in each. I know I say this every time, but this is the WORST water level I have ever seen in Union, even worse than last year. Sea Green Pool: -4 feet, boiling heavily. White Hot Spring and UNNG (trumpet vent): water at great depth. Lion Geyser: active, seen once. This despite the pool being flooded by runoff. The activity is recent, since it has killed the brilliant red algae mat that was growing in the crater in July. Iron Conch: active. Frill Spring: active, per data logger it was having series about every 7 days during July-August. Mangled Crater: active as usual. UNNG W of Mangled Crater: dormancy continues. Knobby: highly active. Bead: active as usual. Growth of geyserite is becoming obvious. Hydra: very active. We have not finished analyzing all the data from the recorder, but it was active almost daily for long stretches during July-August. Velvet: dormant. Blowouts above Flake: there are TWO blowouts now. Neither was seen in eruption. Outbreak: dormant, flooded, silted. "Diverted Geyser": ebbed water and damp surroundings implied that eruptions were occurring, though unseen. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU Fri Sep 23 11:56:44 2005 From: jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Cross) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star Message-ID: On 12 September 2005 Lone Star Geyser Basin was visited. Buried Geyser erupted every 7.6 minutes (average of 10 intervals timed from onset of overflow). The range was 5-9 minutes. The onset and cessation of overflow are the only definite events in the cycle, though the eruption is truly periodic. The largest eruptions seen failed to put water into the erosional moat that got carved in front of the crater several years ago. This is in contrast to 2003, when perhaps 1 in 5 eruptions would spill water over the front of the crater bowl and into the moat. "Clamshell Geyser" (UNNG by the Shoshone-Lone Star bridge) washed markers overnight between 11 and 12 September. It had been seen by Clark and Rocco on the 9th. Unnamed Geyser in the "Campsite Group" near campsite OA-2: in the NW corner of this group, next to the stream, is an old sinter shield broken by an ancient fracture. A small, round pool next to this fracture had heavy wash extending to the stream. Clark and Rocco had seen it cycling on the 9th, but did not see activity that would account for the full extent of the wash. On the 12th the surroundings were dry and their marker from the 9th was still in place. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU Fri Sep 23 11:59:44 2005 From: jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Cross) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Geysers] Glade Geyser Message-ID: Per data logger, Glade Geyser erupted about once a day during July-August. I talked to the backcountry ranger in July and he said he had seen several eruptions of Glade this summer. Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU Fri Sep 23 12:06:32 2005 From: jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Cross) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Geysers] Thud Group question Message-ID: Scott's post about Fungoid Spring stimulates me to ask: does anything in the Thud Group erupt on a consistent basis? What are the most common performers? How many geysers were active there this summer? Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From meechg at erols.com Fri Sep 23 16:09:31 2005 From: meechg at erols.com (Graham Meech) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:09:31 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Fountain and Silex Message-ID: <4e61hu$2imckj@smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net> I got to see a series of eruptions of Silex on Sept 6th. I was waiting for Clepsydra to restart after a Fountain eruption and then noticed the steam cloud over the hill at the same time as Donna Friz called that Silex was erupting. The eruption series was: 1104ns major d>= 6m which ended with a complete drain and a nice whirlpool and gurgling. This was followed by violent refill activity. 1130 minor d=1m45s - not a very strong minor but certainly more than the violent refilling. Small drain followed by violent refill. 1140 minor d=6m - this was a strong minor (similar to the initial) but did not overflow. Followed by a whirlpool and partial drain. There was a slow refill until around 1205 when it got more violent. 1236 minor d=2m20s with very little drain and a slow refill. By 1400 it looked like it was going to refill to overflow. Fountain was interesting to watch as always. Eruption I saw had durations from 17-28 minutes long and each eruption I saw had Clepsydra quietly stop 5-8 minutes after Fountain started. Clepsydra restarted 9-11 minutes after Fountain quit. For some eruptions Jet was frequent prior to Fountain (7-13m intervals) but before two eruptions there was only one Jet eruption 6 minutes Fountain started. In these two cases Jet intervals were 75 and >120 minutes. I also noticed that in some of the Jet eruptions the water level would rise in Sizzler and then drain after Jet's eruption. I had not noticed this connection before. Maybe with all the changes to this feature it will become another vent for Jet to erupt out of soon. >From Fountain I also saw 14 eruptions of Kaleidoscope in a 29 minute period on September 16th. Did anyone mention that Giant erupted on the 16th too? :-) Graham. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050923/6ce84950/attachment.html> From jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU Fri Sep 23 18:32:50 2005 From: jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Cross) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Geysers] Lone Star In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The following should read "...NE corner of this group..." > Unnamed Geyser in the "Campsite Group" near campsite OA-2: in the NW > corner of this group, next to the stream, is an old sinter shield broken > by an ancient fracture. A small, round pool next to this fracture had Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Sep 23 19:36:11 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:36:11 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Thud Group question Message-ID: <210.9cf8090.3066159b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/2005 6:25:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU writes: Scott's post about Fungoid Spring stimulates me to ask: does anything in the Thud Group erupt on a consistent basis? What are the most common performers? How many geysers were active there this summer? The only geyser that is always active (really, always seems correct) is Kidney Spring. It and this action by Fungoid are the only geysers I saw out there this year. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Strasser Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:23 PM To: 'geyser observation reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 Re the new boardwalk at Grotto. Being able to watch it slowly fill in the minutes before the start is gone. The fantastic view into the ?maytag? at the back of Grotto during its start is gone. The sense of a ?wall of water? at the start (which was completely safe!) is gone. The walk through the steam is gone. Darn (that?s the cleaned up version). Double darn. #%#^$&^$ Anyone ever find out who ordered the change, and why? Paul S -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050923/a98914fd/attachment.html> From lotusb3 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 23 21:45:31 2005 From: lotusb3 at earthlink.net (Lotus Baker) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] annual visit Message-ID: <24037547.1127537131620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Once again Yellowstone proved to be as beautiful as ever, and the two weeks passed way too fast. After having finally unpacked all our stuff, I have discovered that I lost my notebook. So I'll be reduced to making just some general comments. That is OK since we didn't see anything totally amazing. My observations occurred between 30 August and 12 September. In contrast with most years, Norris was our first stop this time. We had Lotus' nephew with us for the first four days and that sort of changed things. Noteworthy there was Congress Pool; as was reported elsewhere, it was full and overflowing with the most beautiful pearlesenent blue color. We're looking for colors to paint some rooms, that would be one. The water in Porkchop is a similar kind of blue. We spent some time looking at the area in the back basin that used to be trail (between Yellow Funnel Spring and Pearl Geyser), and had fun watching a couple of geysers and several spouters. Yellow Funnel, by the way was dry. We got to see a very nice series of eruptions from Veteran. Our luck with Veteran has been good the last few years, with only relatively short waits for a major eruptions. Corporal erupted several times for us, with some nice audible thumps. The lower basin gave us two new geysers (Lynn suggested that Gazers could have "Life Lists" for geysers just like bird watchers have for birds :)). We caught a series of 4 eruptions of Gemini, each eruption about 11 minutes apart. Very interesting activity to watch, and probably very confusing to most tourists as we face away from White Dome! Up White Creek we saw Tuft geyser for the first time, it gave a very nice performance. And Pat Snyder, who was with us on White Creek, told us that Spindle geysers had thumps one could feel, if you sat in just exactly the right spot. She was right. We try to see at least one new area each year; this time Fairy meadows was the place. We could see that in early season, Fairy Meadows could be quite a muddy slog to walk through. As it was, we had to roll up the pants and barefoot it across the stream in order to make it out to Locomotive Spring. We ate lunch there and had Locomotive under observation for 30 minutes or so, and it never quite stopped its activity. We ran into the back country ranger for that area and he was the spitting image of Kit Carson! He told us he had come to Yellowstone in 1980 and it took all the ambition he ever had out of him! :) Ummm, I guess he meant he likes the place. At Midway, the empty Opal Pool was, was, well I guess it was amazing. Water from Grand Prismatic was flowing into it and disappearing. There were some new mountain lion prints in the bacterial mats, in about the same place as last year. I can't under stand why that might be a good way for an animal travel, especially a cat. I was very sad to see that some subadult humans had found it necessary to doodle in the mats. Where are the protectives when you need them? In Rabbit Creek, we were able to find Tuba, a geyser we had heard about but could not place. Clark helped us narrow down the location. Together with Steve Bezori we saw several nice boiling eruptions to a few inches every 8-10 minutes or so. In the Upper Basin, we walked out towards mallard Lake and looked at the springs about a half a mile out (the Pipeline Creek Group). UNNG-PIP-1 was boiling up to a foot or so pretty regularly. In Pipeline Meadows we were going to sit on UNNG-PMG-4 and see an eruption (runoff channels were wet), but a good sounding Giant hot period caught our attention, at least as far as Dilapidated when feather quit. There was vigorous boiling in Dilapidated, but the platform was dry. And I can say that I saw a Giant hot period that ranks up in the top 3 or 4 best I've ever seen. With a 5 minute feather restart, and big gushes of water coming out of Giant, it made the heart go pitter-patter. Please note that once again, Giant erupted *after* we left the park. Does anybody know if Bronco was still on his hike on the 16th? A hiking Bronco is said to be an excellent Giant Indicator. He even mentioned selling his services to GOSA. If I can characterize the trip this year, it was the year of thumps starting with Corporal, then Mound, Spindle, Artemisa, Oblong, Rabbit Creek, and Tuba. At Rabbit Creek, there were 14 of us that managed to find the "sweet spot" where maximum thump feel occurred! Keith Baker From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Sep 24 12:53:56 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:53:56 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 24 Message-ID: <196.480b5007.306708d4@aol.com> I know its only been a couple of days since I announced that I'd be leaving on October 2, but due to a couple semi-necessary items next week plus weather (horrible today, in my humble opinion) plus hurricanes, I am leaving tomorrow. In other words, this is my last report of 2005. Before I carry on, thanks to the several of you who passed along ideas regarding missing Katrina people. I tried all of your suggestions and more -- no luck. I was only in the basins for a short time today, shorter yesterday, so I don't have much. I know Kitt was in today, so a good report for this weekend will probably be upcoming. Beehive was at 1022 on the 22nd, not seen yesterday, and at 0632 ie today. That's a double interval of 43h 45m. Plume's intervals have generally been between 40 and 45 minutes -- scary, since that's about the level at which it decided to start its dormancies earlier this year. I hope people will keep watching the Hillside Springs (those below the cliffs between Black Sand and Biscuit). I've been noticing for a week or two that the cyanobacteria seemed to be disappearing. Today when the temperature was in the 30s, the southernmost of those springs was barely steaming -- only light wisps. Something is happening there. To my knowledge, the Hillsides have always gushed heavy streams. In the Lower Basin I basically saw nothing other than Botryoidal, White Dome, Pink Cone ie late steam at 0808, and Pink ie at 1151 -- my last geyser of 2005. It's hard to believe that 5+ months went by so fast. Ah, well. Take care. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050924/085b6ce2/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Sat Sep 24 13:03:12 2005 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:03:12 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Thud Group question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c5c143$13933030$ebe3fe04@MikeKeller> In recent years there have been 2 commonly active geysers in the area-Kidney Spring and Jug Spring. Kidney erupts every 18-35 minutes and reaches about 2 feet. Jug erupts every 2-6 minutes and reaches a few inches. As recently as 2002, two small UNNGs on the side of Stirrup Spring were also active. Thud Geyser was weakly active following earthquake activity in December of 2001 or 2002 (I don't remember at this moment). MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Cross Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:07 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Thud Group question Scott's post about Fungoid Spring stimulates me to ask: does anything in the Thud Group erupt on a consistent basis? What are the most common performers? How many geysers were active there this summer? Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Sat Sep 24 19:59:17 2005 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:59:17 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5c17d$1f1b1af0$eee5fe04@MikeKeller> Winter is very treacherous at Grotto. You are walking on an ice/snow mound easily 2-4 feet above the ground, have to drop onto the boardwalk which is normally icy, and then climb back up on the mound past the curve as you head towards Grotto. From a visitor safety standpoint I understand the move. As a geyser gazer. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Ralph Taylor Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:21 PM To: 'geyser observation reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 I have no definite word, but two rumors are that there was a complaint letter from a visitor who got wet from the geyser and that the move was to remedy icy conditions in winter. Neither is confirmed! I agree that the new location is a significantly poorer location from the standpoint of seeing Grotto start, and that there was no real problem in the summer season from either steam or spray. I can't comment on the winter conditions. Ralph Taylor _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Strasser Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:23 PM To: 'geyser observation reports' Subject: RE: [Geysers] Geyser report September 21 Re the new boardwalk at Grotto. Being able to watch it slowly fill in the minutes before the start is gone. The fantastic view into the "maytag" at the back of Grotto during its start is gone. The sense of a "wall of water" at the start (which was completely safe!) is gone. The walk through the steam is gone. Darn (that's the cleaned up version). Double darn. #%#^$&^$ Anyone ever find out who ordered the change, and why? Paul S -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050924/ab753bbc/attachment.html> From janet.johns5 at verizon.net Mon Sep 26 13:51:55 2005 From: janet.johns5 at verizon.net (Jan and Lew) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:51:55 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Grotto Path Change References: <000001c5c17d$1f1b1af0$eee5fe04@MikeKeller> Message-ID: <008f01c5c2dc$28dc7f60$2d01a8c0@toshibauser> I am so saddened that I will never again experience what I so enjoyed. Maybe two paths were needed a summer and a winter. Once again we lose out on an experience that can't be replicated anywhere. Janet Johns -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050926/9136f6a3/attachment.html> From ralpht at iglou.com Mon Sep 26 14:40:01 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:40:01 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser statistics updated 25 September 2005 Message-ID: I have updated the geyser statistics on the GOSA website with the data from downloads on Saturday 24 September and some data from earlier in the week. The link to the data is HYPERLINK "http://www.geyserstudy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm"http://www.geyserstu dy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm As always, any comments, questions, or errors noted are welcome. Sorry for the delay, but technical troubles have plagued me this month! This will be the last summer update as I leave on Wednesday. We hope to maintain a winter data collection schedule again this year, and as I receive data I will post the summaries. Ralph -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050926/6e83b098/attachment.html> From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Thu Sep 29 11:33:35 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:33:35 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GIANT 9/29/05 07:40 (Stephens) Message-ID: <200509291233.AA444530894@mail.sisna.com> THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE PERSONAL USE OF THE READERS OF THE LISTSERV AND IS NOT TO BE REPRODUCED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE, INCLUDING PUBLICATION IN THE SPUT, WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE AUTHOR. Events leading up to the September 29 eruption of Giant: Grotto marathoned on Monday, September 26, starting at 14:00, and Tuesday, September 27, ending about 17:00. I started observing Giant about 0650 on Wednesday, September 28. Giant was having some vertical splashing, but only up to the lip of the cone. At 08:08 there was a Giant hot period with a duration of 8 minutes 35 seconds. There was some Mastiff surging about half the height of Giant?s cone and all of India was covered. Grotto Fountain was ie at 13:06 and Grotto started at 13:15 (ended at 16:05). There was a Giant hot period at 13:32 with a duration of 9m07s. (Giant was not under observation from about 8:40 until 13:20.) Giant continued having period vertical splashing 1-2 feet above the lip of the cone until it had a 2m25s hot period at 1627. I stayed until 1745 because Giant was still having period vertical splashing. Chase Ellison called a hot period at 1921 with a duration of 7m50s. He was impressed by the amount of water that Giant was splashing outside the cone during the hot period. When I arrived this morning (9/29) at 6:40, Grotto was in eruption. Bijou was active until it had a short pause at 7:11. The next pause started at 7:26. Standing on the platform itself, I could see water in Mastiff at 7:28. The southwest vents started at 7:29:00. Feather started at 7:29:44. It was a slow start. Feather was only about half the height of Giant?s cone. Feather?s Satellite didn?t join in until 7:32:30. Mastiff had dropped below overflow, but then recovered. At 4 minutes in, I noted that Cave was bubbling 4-6 inches high. This was the first time Cave had been reported in any of the hot periods since Giant?s last eruption. Cave never did get any higher. At 6 minutes in the platform was steamy, but I noted India was completely covered. Mastiff appeared to be surging about 2/3 the height of Giant?s cone. (It was cold and steamy this morning.) At 7:38:14 it looked like Feather and Feather?s Satellite were off. Bijou was erupting, but Catfish was not. But at 7:38:40 I could clearly see that both were on and Mastiff was surging again. At 7:39 water was pouring off the platform, Giant was filling its cone and the Giant sign had washed off its perch, but Giant had not yet started. Mastiff surged to about the top of Giant?s cone, but no higher. Giant filled the cone one or two additional times, then I could see Giant 10-20-30-40 feet above the cone and Giant was erupting at 7:40. After Giant started, Bijou went into a roaring steam phase. Catfish never did erupt. I have no idea how tall Giant?s eruption was because the water was mostly obscured by the steam. The top of the steam cloud was golden in the sun, and some of the water droplets in the spikes were also golden. When the ?rain? came down, it turned to ice on my jacket and slush on the jugwalk. I had been quite calm while I was calling the hot period, but was so excited when Giant actually erupted that I just yelled ?Giant is erupting? into the radio, and apparently forgot to give the time. I immediately put my radio away so I could watch the eruption. (No pictures?although the sky was blue and the sun was shining, it was just too steamy.) Dave Leeking was at Tardy when Giant started and heard the VC ask for the start time but he said he was looking at the steam cloud and forgot to look at his watch. I did look at my watch for the start time?07:40. Grotto was still erupting when the hot period started, but stopped sometime before 8:35. The last splash of water out of Giant?s cone was at 09:20, a duration of 100 minutes. The Giant sign was washed off its perch, but did not wash under the boardwalk. The Stay on Walk sign was washed a few feet, but the Bijou, Catfish and Mastiff signs were not moved by water from the eruption. Other geyser news?Beehive continues to erupt once a day. The last few eruptions were: 9/25 09:30 (Indicator 09:16) 9/26 10:49 (Indicator 10:45) The Close to Cone Indicator was bubbling during Beehive?s eruption. 9/27 07:52 (Indicator 07:45ns) 9/28 11:46 (Indicator 11:32) 9/29 10:38 (Indicator 10:28ie) Great Fountain has been about 5 in the evening for the past few days (16:55 on 9/25, 16:39 on 9/26 per Mike Lang, 16:55 on 9/27 with a superb 150+ foot first burst, 17:13 on 9/28 per Dick Powell). The weather was sunny on Monday, cloudy with rain on Tuesday, sunny on Wednesday and sunny again today. It has been warm enough that I?ve been in my shirt sleeves and shorts yesterday and today. And, Fan & Mortar have still not erupted. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From siegmund at mosquitonet.com Thu Sep 29 18:41:50 2005 From: siegmund at mosquitonet.com (Gordon Bower) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:41:50 -0800 (AKDT) Subject: [Geysers] Television ads Message-ID: I apologize if this is deemed off-topic, but it seems closely related to an issue we discussed at considerable length this past year. Remember the Metamucil ads portraying throwing things into a geyser? There is a Honda ad being aired now. A grizzly bear is standing in the middle of the road blocking traffic. Guys in their pickup scratch their heads wondering how to get past the snarling bear. Driver gets out of the cab, goes around to a cooler in the cargo bay, takes out a fish, makes sure he has the bear's attention, throws the fish past the bear to the side of the road. Drooling bear runs after the fish like a dog playing fetch. Driver gets back in car and continues down the road. The ad didn't seem to represent any one location. But whether in Yellowstone, Montana, Alaska, or elsewhere, it does show someone doing three or four of the worst things you can do if you're in your pickup and see a bear on the road. A tourist copycatting this ad is a darn sight more likely to get hurt than one who tries throwing Metamucil into a geyser is. Anyone else seen it and felt like telling Honda that we'd prefer them not to teach fishermen how to feed themselves to a bear? Is it something an NPS official might want to write a letter about even though there is no national park signage shown in the ad? GRB From cross at bmi.net Fri Sep 30 20:36:03 2005 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Moderator Comment--Lost Messages? Message-ID: <20051001033613.25171C1801B@zapp.wwc.edu> I've just been notified that a message disappeared earlier this week, probably because of an error on my part.. If any of you have sent something that was never posted, please let me know. I think this was an isolated event, but it's a good time to ask. Also, let me insert my favorite reminder: If you are sending email from an address other than one that is on the mailing list, it will be automatically rejected and never seen again. This is a regrettable but necessary mode of operation because of the huge amount of spam that a list like this attracts. We now have 365 addresses on the list. Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator