From Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com Mon Aug 1 01:10:25 2005 From: Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com (Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:10:25 +0100 Subject: [Geysers] Splendid boils In-Reply-To: <190.44e57fe3.301cd2b1@aol.com> Message-ID: We are not experienced enough to judge where the boil comes from, but the attached photo (if it is not too big - 60 Kbyte) seems to indicate main vent. It was taken on July 28th at 11:31 pm UK time just before the Daisy eruption. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050801/ad80ef2f/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From thedulcimerlady at juno.com Mon Aug 1 12:00:05 2005 From: thedulcimerlady at juno.com (Lucille Reilly) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:00:05 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] I saw it last night: Message-ID: <20050801.143748.-709615.2.TheDulcimerLady@juno.com> The "Supervolcano" movie on the Discovery channel. Now I understand why folks were so upset when it came out (I didn't get to see it on the first go-around). Hollywood really got its claws into that one. However, the redeeming value was Tom Brokaw's presentation afterwards. 50-50 on that one. Lucille Reilly From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Aug 1 20:08:07 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:08:07 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Splendid boils Message-ID: <1d6.41aafb0d.30203d97@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2005 10:27:35 AM Mountain Standard Time, Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com writes: We are not experienced enough to judge where the boil comes from, but the attached photo (if it is not too big - 60 Kbyte) seems to indicate main vent. It was taken on July 28th at 11:31 pm UK time just before the Daisy eruption. Looking from home in West Yellowstone -- based on the position and shape of the boil, I'd said it very likely is Splendid's main vent. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe if geothermal WLs keep on heating and rising in Kuirau Park area then perhaps additional fluid and heatflows may soon be able to supply both Kuirau Lake and Tarewa springs without further need to exchange functions? ie enough to provide all springs and keep themn all flowing? Anyway Kuirau Lake as yet does not show any detectable reduction in outflow or temperature, as used top happen in earlier episodes of geysering along western side of park. Last time S715 geysered was in May 1996 for two months, but then it played ~5m high every 20 minutes or so for ~a minute at a time. Regards Ashley Cody -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050802/469d7c74/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: S715 Aug 05 Eruptn.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 188930 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20050802/469d7c74/attachment.jpe> From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Tue Aug 2 12:29:56 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:29:56 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report--Stephens (8.2 Message-ID: <200508021329.AA782106804@mail.sisna.com> My analysis of Great Fountain intervals (based on visual observations) from May 28 through August 1 shows: 69 closed intervals 26 double intervals 1 triple interval Mean of both the 69 closed intervals and all the intervals is 12 hours 4 minutes. The median of the 69 closed intervals is 11 hours 49 minutes. Intervals varied from a minimum of 9 hours 22 minutes to a maximum of 15 hour 06 minutes. Distribution of Great Fountain intervals: Less than 10 hours 1% 10h0m - 10h59m 23% 11h0m - 11h59m 38% 12h0m - 12h59m 14% 13h0m - 13h59m 13% 14h0m - 14h59m 7% >=15h0m 3% I've been watching Atomizer Geyser for the past two weeks. (Dean Lohrenz, Dave Leeking, and possible others recorded some Atomizer major to major intervals in late June-early July, but I haven't finished typing the June and July logbooks yet, so I haven't included those intervals in this analysis.) >From July 20 through August 2, I've recorded 3 closed intervals, 8 double intervals, and 1 triple interval. The overall mean interval is 14h12m. The longest interval is a closed interval of 15h57m. The "shortest" interval is a double of 26h25m, which results in one interval at least as short as 13h12m. The proportion of "quick comeback" majors (a major happening 5 to 15 minutes after the preceding minor) continues to increase compared with prior years. Six (43%) of the 14 major eruptions that I've seen were "quick comeback" majors. Till Geyser finally exceeded the 11 hour interval mark. Unfortunately, I didn't get the closed interval, but the double interval of 22h08m meant at least one of the closed intervals had to have exceeded 11h04m. Seismic Geyser is having periodic activity in the form of heavy overflow, which puts up an impressive steam cloud, but I haven't seen any bursting accompany the heavy overflow periods. The overflows have been occuring at 18-22 minute intervals, and last 1-2 minutes. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Tue Aug 2 21:14:11 2005 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:14:11 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report--Stephens (8.2 In-Reply-To: <200508021329.AA782106804@mail.sisna.com> Message-ID: <001501c597e1$cd8999b0$82e4fe04@MikeKeller> The overflows from Seismic are typical of what it has been doing for the past 2-3 years. With these overflows "Aftershock" is boiling up to a foot or two. While there are heavy waves on Seismic, I have not seen any eruptions from it since 1997. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of lynn stephens Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:30 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report--Stephens (8.2 My analysis of Great Fountain intervals (based on visual observations) from May 28 through August 1 shows: 69 closed intervals 26 double intervals 1 triple interval Mean of both the 69 closed intervals and all the intervals is 12 hours 4 minutes. The median of the 69 closed intervals is 11 hours 49 minutes. Intervals varied from a minimum of 9 hours 22 minutes to a maximum of 15 hour 06 minutes. Distribution of Great Fountain intervals: Less than 10 hours 1% 10h0m - 10h59m 23% 11h0m - 11h59m 38% 12h0m - 12h59m 14% 13h0m - 13h59m 13% 14h0m - 14h59m 7% >=15h0m 3% I've been watching Atomizer Geyser for the past two weeks. (Dean Lohrenz, Dave Leeking, and possible others recorded some Atomizer major to major intervals in late June-early July, but I haven't finished typing the June and July logbooks yet, so I haven't included those intervals in this analysis.) >From July 20 through August 2, I've recorded 3 closed intervals, 8 double intervals, and 1 triple interval. The overall mean interval is 14h12m. The longest interval is a closed interval of 15h57m. The "shortest" interval is a double of 26h25m, which results in one interval at least as short as 13h12m. The proportion of "quick comeback" majors (a major happening 5 to 15 minutes after the preceding minor) continues to increase compared with prior years. Six (43%) of the 14 major eruptions that I've seen were "quick comeback" majors. Till Geyser finally exceeded the 11 hour interval mark. Unfortunately, I didn't get the closed interval, but the double interval of 22h08m meant at least one of the closed intervals had to have exceeded 11h04m. Seismic Geyser is having periodic activity in the form of heavy overflow, which puts up an impressive steam cloud, but I haven't seen any bursting accompany the heavy overflow periods. The overflows have been occuring at 18-22 minute intervals, and last 1-2 minutes. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Aug 3 06:27:28 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:27:28 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Tuesday August 2 Message-ID: <55.78818499.30222040@aol.com> I finally had another partial day in the basins. Here some basic information: Beehive had been at 14xx on August 1, at 1125 August 2, so an interval of about 21 hours. Today's indicator was 15 minutes. Plume remains dormant. Castle had a minor eruption at 0454 (e), then a major at 1041; minor interval 5h 47m. Grand played at 0426 (e), then at 1055 (1 burst), surprising nearly everybody given that we don't normally expect an interval of 6h 29m. Giant evidently had a wonderful hot period on August 1, but rather weak events since then. Daisy produced a rather ordinary interval of 2h 36m. And Fan and Mortar had not erupted as of about 1300, having reached over 4d 5h. I then departed, realizing that even if a good event cycle started then, I'd miss the eruption, anyway, given a commitment back in West. I did not see Fountain on the drive in; it was i.e. at 1353 for my drive out. In the morning, I'd seen Great Fountain at 0736 (pause = 4). It had a nice blue bubble but no superburst, and I mention it mostly because it was a private eruption -- I was the only person there. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Porkchop was quiet but was very heavily overflowing opalescent water. The spouter/geyser on its northwest side was inactive but appeared to perhaps be acting as an intermittent spring. Orby was vigorously active, bursting as high as 6 (maybe 8) feet with intervals of about 1 minutes and durations of several minutes. Indeed, Orby was the best geyser I saw today. Both Grandson... and Daughter of Green Dragon were non-splashing steamvents while Son of Green Dragon was perpetually bursting several feet high. Yellow Funnel was at a very low level, constantly bursting nearly clear water 2 to 4 feet high. I could see not water anywhere among the Hydrophane Springs. Green Dragon, back inside the cavern, was very vigorous, with some bursts actually hitting the roof of the cave. Mud Spring was the prettiest pool at Norris, crystal clear and beautiful blue-green. But Mystic Spring was ugly brown. It is clearly still active as a geyser but apparently without overflowing, and it is depositing powdery sulphur in the crater and on the sinter above its main vent. Crater Spring is very high, clear and gently bubbling. Echinus was overflowing. And overflowing. Later, it was overflowing. Cistern was splashing. One I did not see was noisy enough to hear from Steamboat's lower platform. Steamboat was having mostly north vent jets. No solo south vent that I saw. And I saw only a couple of "decent" concerted minors, but then the water appeared not higher than halfway up the background trees (as viewed from the lower platform). ------ Guardian remains a loud steam vent, as does Black Growler. Ledge's main vent is still pushing a bit of water over the rim to form a trickling flow. I saw one eruption by Constant, and activity by what might be Fan. The Lava Pool Complex is nearly dry, and Pinto was a quiet pool at a low level. Sunday was bubbling. "Lambchop" was jetting 8 to 10 feet high from two vents, and Incline was surging within its crater. Notable is Congress Pool, which is completely full, opaque blue and bubbling while producing significant overflow -- enough to run all the way to the floor of Porcelain Basin at a rate of around 40 or 50 gallons per minute. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050803/e86feb20/attachment.html> From gemstone at flash.net Wed Aug 3 17:56:20 2005 From: gemstone at flash.net (Will Moats) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:56:20 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Pocket Basin References: <77.4a691054.301c4477@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c5988f$555d2480$ec9ff004@thunderegg> Hello All, Returned home from YNP this last Sunday (sigh...). My son and I went to Pocket Basin on 7/27/05. We saw Pocket Basin Geyser erupt at 10:33, 11:34, and 13:28, for intervals of 1-2 hours. It would erupt about 3 minutes after reaching overflow. We also noted that Brain Geyser is dormant. Fortunately, Fortress Geyser was having some occasional large bursts 8-10 ft high. We also video-taped a small geyser situated between two hot spring pools just above and east of Fortress Geyser. Based on 3 eruptions observed, this small geyser would erupt about 2 ft high for approximately 4 minutes at intervals of about 12 minutes. >From the east side of the river, we could see that Mound Geyser is active, looking much the same as in the past. -- Will Moats ----- Original Message ----- From: TSBryan at aol.com To: geysers at wwc.edu Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report July 29 This morning I went into Pocket Basin/River Group. Managed to see Pocket Geyser erupt (as did Butch Bach's "Mud Pot Special" hike). Four or more geysers are active in the upper spring area east of Fortress Geyser. Unfortunately, Dark Pool Blurble and BRain are NOT active -- that stretch near the reiver was the least active I've ever seen it. Active elsewhere in the area are my RVG-1 (1 to 2 feet, seen from across the river) and RVG-4 (little more than bubbling overflow but quite frequent I think). The mud pots, interestingly, are either dry or rather fluid. The vertically gifted cyclic mudpot was doing very little and, judging by the walls of its crater, it has not had significant action in quite a while. The best mud pot in the area was --- well, really, there wasn't one that was particularly exciting at all. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050803/e1bf11e1/attachment.html> From gemstone at flash.net Wed Aug 3 18:26:35 2005 From: gemstone at flash.net (Will Moats) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Heart Lake References: Message-ID: <003401c59893$8ebb4820$ec9ff004@thunderegg> Hello all, My son Steven (age 13) and I hiked to Heart Lake Geyser Basin on 7/28/05. On the way in, we saw 2 doe and 1 buck deer. Grizzly bear tracks were present on the trail from where it drops steeply down from the overview point at the ridge top to the Lower Group. I guessed that the bear probably went through the area the night before, given that the tracks were commonly overprinted on the human-made tracks on the trail. Rustic Group: Rustic Geyser erupted at 10:36, 11:11, and 11:46. We left at 12:30 without seeing another eruption. Composite Geyser - the pool would fill to the point where it would barely overflow, but would then drain after Rustic erupted. No eruptions seen. Small UNNG geyser (HRG-P7) west of Composite - erupted 2-3 ft high for 10 minutes or so, then would stop erupting for about 20 seconds before starting its play again. ********* Fissure Group: Splurger, Shell, Hooded Spring, HFG-P116, HFG-70, HFG-68, HFG-P35 were active. HFG-P51 and HFG-P52 were also active (weak splashing) probably as perpetual spouters. We did not see Glade erupt. Although its cone and drainage channel were bone dry, water was present in the vent. -- Will Moats From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 22:10:14 2005 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:10:14 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report: Fan & Mortar, August 2 @ 1557 Message-ID: Fan & Mortar erupted at 1557 on August 2 for an interval of 4d8h30m. There were several promising event cycles during the interval, including one where the water levels stayed high for about 25 minutes and Main Vent even splashed--but shortly after that the water levels died. Since the unexpected eruption with no warning on July 26, Main Vent has been seen having a splash or two at unusual/inappropriate times. I guess all that means is that if a splash is seen in Main Vent but at the "wrong" time, it probably doesn't mean much. Prior to the eruption, the last event cycle had been a weak 10-minute period of Main Vent splashing around 0500. For about 3 hours before the eruption cycle, the minor vents were basically in garbage mode, seldom off for longer than 10 minutes. Then, at 1449, everything shut off and Main Vent began to roar. Events progressed as follows: 1458 Main Vent splash 1511 Main Vent has very large splash ("white stuff") 1512 River Vent on 1516 Main Vent has its last splash, but continues to roar 1525 River Vent off (River pause) 1532 River Vent on 1533 Gold Vent on 1535 Angle Vent on I was pretty skeptical at first because Main Vent only managed to create one short River pause and only splashed for about 18 minutes. In fact, at around the 10-minute mark the water levels dropped and Gold looked like it was going into steam. However, the minor vents rebounded very quickly and suddenly started to look very promising. High Vent built into a lock only 13 minutes after River started. The lock persisted until Gold joined in and Angle went into steam. Around 22 minutes after River, the lock died down into almost nothing, though High was still overflowing. Then it came back, and finally splashes were seen in East Vent, which erupted by itself for 26 seconds at the start of the eruption before everything else joined in. The eruption was Fan-dominated and with a typical wind direction proved to be a great "soaker." The duration as timed by Lynn was 31 1/2 minutes. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Thu Aug 4 04:56:23 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:56:23 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar - 8/2/05 Message-ID: <200508040556.AA381944020@mail.sisna.com> Fan & Mortar erupted at 15:57 on 8/2/05--an interval of 4d8h30m, after a single River Vent pause. First splashing in Main Vent was called at 14:58 and the last splashing in Main Vent that I saw was at 15:14. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From w8tah at zoominternet.net Thu Aug 4 11:22:26 2005 From: w8tah at zoominternet.net (Tim Holmes) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:22:26 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Tuesday August 2 In-Reply-To: <55.78818499.30222040@aol.com> References: <55.78818499.30222040@aol.com> Message-ID: <42F25CE2.20301@zoominternet.net> TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > I finally had another partial day in the basins. Here some basic > information: > > Beehive had been at 14xx on August 1, at 1125 August 2, so an interval > of about 21 hours. Today's indicator was 15 minutes. > > Plume remains dormant. > > Castle had a minor eruption at 0454 (e), then a major at 1041; minor > interval 5h 47m. > > Grand played at 0426 (e), then at 1055 (1 burst), surprising nearly > everybody given that we don't normally expect an interval of 6h 29m. > > Giant evidently had a wonderful hot period on August 1, but rather > weak events since then. > > Daisy produced a rather ordinary interval of 2h 36m. > > And Fan and Mortar had not erupted as of about 1300, having reached > over 4d 5h. I then departed, realizing that even if a good event cycle > started then, I'd miss the eruption, anyway, given a commitment back > in West. > > I did not see Fountain on the drive in; it was i.e. at 1353 for my > drive out. > > In the morning, I'd seen Great Fountain at 0736 (pause = 4). It had a > nice blue bubble but no superburst, and I mention it mostly because it > was a private eruption -- I was the only person there. > > Scott Bryan > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > Scott: you lucky bum -- I love great fountain -- WOW that would have been sooooo cool TIM Hope to meet you next summer From mbschwar at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 11:44:31 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:44:31 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar 2 August 2005 Message-ID: Fan & Mortar erupted at 1557 on August preceeded by a 26second East Vent solo. Grand has had intervals from 6h 19m on 28 July to over 10 hours. Usually I try to arrive at about 6 hours since there have been about a dozen intervals near 6.5 hours. The prediction is based on 7h45m plus or minus 1.5 hours. Ralph will return this weekend and have new downloads. Mary Beth Schwarz From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:23:43 2005 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:23:43 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report: Fan & Mortar, August 5 @ 2116 Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross Fan and Mortar erupted at 2116 on August 5 for an interval of 3d 5h 19m. The pattern of event cycles whas somewhat different during this interval. At first they were normal, but then starting on the evening of the 4th, intervals between events shortened to 2-3 hours. First water in Main Vent was seen at 1709, 1925, and 2208, and then 0110 and 0410 on the 5th. That made for a frustrating, sleepless night for the gazers who were observing F&M during the nighttime hours. During the early morning event cycle, we were encouraged by a triple pause with plenty of splashing in Main Vent. Then High Vent went into lock-like behavior 15 minutes after River Vent started. However, the water level completely dropped out of Gold Vent and after 5 minutes it dropped out of lock-like behavior. Water levels plummeted shortly thereafter. Needless to say, we were rather grumpy after that. Following this cycle, nothing was seen until Main Vent splashing was seen at 1507, leading to a strange event cycle. River Vent was on for a full 20 minutes before turning off for a 6-minute single River pause. After that, it seemed that the system was trying to have a Gold pause, and that killed the water levels in Gold. We were beginning to lose hope for an eruption in daylight when Main Vent began to huff as the sun began to set. Events took place as follows: 2000 River Vent on 2005 River Vent off (River pause) 2007 Main Vent splash 2016 River Vent on 2028 River Vent off (River pause) 2037 Bottom Vent (d=6m40s) 2044 Bottom Vent (d=1m10s) 2045 Bottom Vent (d=50s) 2050 River Vent on 2051 ENORMOUS Main Vent splash that filled the entire vent 2052 Bottom Vent (d=30s) 2054 Gold Vent on 2056 Angle Vent on 2107 High Vent in lock 2110 High Vent falls out of lock 2111 High Vent builds back into lock, eventually joined by Gold; Angle Vent also went into steam phase 2116 FAN AND MORTAR The eruption was initiated by Main Vent, followed by East and the rest of the Vents. Once again, Mortar quit approximately 45 seconds into the eruption and remained quiet for several minutes. The eruption was Mortar dominated, though Fan had several nice surges. Considering that the sun had already set, the viewing conditions for this eruption were astonishingly good. Every Vent could be seen clearly, backlit by the dusk in the western sky. Sometimes I am in awe of the sheer power of Fan & Mortar; other times I am busy getting as soaked as I can. This time, I just sat back and said "Wow." A very BIG thank you to everyone who put in time waiting for Fan & Mortar during this interval. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com From mbschwar at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 13:22:33 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GIANT 6 August at 0850 (and Fan & Mortar 5 August) Message-ID: Fan & Mortar erupted Friday evening 5 August at 2116 with lovely backlighting after sunset. There was a "lock" at 2110 and Main Vent finally started the eruption. This morning Steve Robinson called the start of a Giant hot period in the recovery from a Grotto marathon at 0838. Kitt noted that the platform was dry, so it was the first hot period after Grotto ended. At 0847 Mastiff erupted 25-30 feet, then it dropped and Catfish erupted. At 0850 GIANT started. This was a fairly warm clear morning with perfect conditions. The water phase ended after 1 hour 38 minutes. Mary Beth Schwarz From tomi33 at hawaii.rr.com Sun Aug 7 14:49:57 2005 From: tomi33 at hawaii.rr.com (Tomi Haynes) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Fiji Geysers Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050807144948.00c5d920@pop3.norton.antivirus> I'm going to Fiji in September and I read that the Town of Savusavcu has 5 Geysers. Do you have any information on them? Picture, location in the town, height? Tomi From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Aug 7 18:15:21 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:15:21 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Fiji Geysers Message-ID: <157.56205265.30280c29@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/2005 6:37:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, tomi33 at hawaii.rr.com writes: I'm going to Fiji in September and I read that the Town of Savusavcu has 5 Geysers. Do you have any information on them? Picture, location in the town, height? Tomi I saw five small geysers (boiling, not really spouting) in 1993. The Nakama Springs are practically downtown Savusavu, located immediately downslope from the school, and there fore near the Hot Springs Hotel... I ahve pictures, of course, but they are in California and I am in Montana until late October. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050807/16779648/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 03:13:41 2005 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 04:13:41 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] A couple of 8/6 Giant details... Message-ID: I'll let Paul describe the hot period activity at Giant leading up (and I use that term loosely; there was certainly no discernable progression of events) to the August 6 eruption. However, Steve Robinson asked me to post a few details about the eruption hot period. During the first 3 minutes, Mastiff boiled 1-3 feet. According to Steve and Kitt (sometimes it pays to be an Oblophile!), the height fluctuated a lot during that time, up and down very quickly, though some of the 3-foot boiling was also wide. Then Mastiff went flat. During minutes 5-7, Mastiff was anywhere from flat to 1 foot. 7.5 minutes into the hot period, Mastiff began to boil again. Just as Steve was about to make his 8-minute update, Mastiff very suddenly surged to 4-5 feet, and a few seconds later it had a huge surge to the height of the cone. Approximately 1 minute later, it went into full eruption to about 30 feet. As Mastiff was surging, Steve noted that Cave was erupting to about 1 foot. He did not see any sizeable activity from Turtle. Needless to say, for someone who was roused from bed by the hot period (sleeping in after getting very little sleep the previous night waiting for F&M), there was nothing to get excited, or even anxious, about for over SEVEN minutes. I have probably heard Steve call 30-40 hot periods this year and this one was no different from any other 8-10 minute hot period he had called in May, June, or July. (That includes the many other post-marathon hot periods called--if anything, this one sounded WEAKER than several that I had seen in the weeks preceding the eruption.) So the "Mastiff to the height of the cone!" call was a real jolt. At the time, I assumed that I must have missed some intervening calls. Nope. As I raced up the Castle Hill, I realized that Giant probably wasn't going to wait the 90 seconds I needed to get from Castle to in view on the bike path, so I ditched my bike and sprinted towards Crested Pool to get a view of the start, which was called just barely before I came into view. As I screamed "Turn around!!!" to the bewildered visitors looking at Castle, Giant's massive, white column lifted high into the air. My carefully-pondered height estimate is 220 feet. Once the initial steam had cleared, I could easily see the narrow needle of water from Catfish poking out at an angle from the side of Giant's column, between 1/4 and 1/3 of the way up. Thanks to the wind direction, those in the immediate vicinity of Giant got a dousing shower from the initial surge. I wish I could have been closer, of course, but I rank the sight of that completely white, utterly monstrous water column among the most beautiful things I have ever seen--in Yellowstone or anywhere else. It was by far the most massive Giant start I have ever seen, both height and width. Steve called dozens of hot periods in April, May, June, and July. The first hot period he sees in August, Giant erupts. Go figure. Thanks for all the calls, Steve. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Mon Aug 8 14:45:41 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:45:41 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Fan & Mortar (8/8 7:09) and Giant hot period -- Stephens Message-ID: <200508081545.AA1426653418@mail.sisna.com> Fan & Mortar erupted this morning (8/8) at 7:09. The eruption was preceded by a double river vent pause with plenty of Main Vent splashing. There were also three eruptions of Bottom Vent during the second pause--the first one lasting 8m50s, the second one lasting 8m40s, and the third one lasting about 7 minutes. River Vent came on at 6:38, Gold at 06:40 and Angle at 06:42. High Vent was erupting 6 feet high with Gold Vent non existent at 06:57. At 06:58 Main Vent sent a splash into East Vent. Gold then started to rejuvenate and at 07:02 the three vents (High, Gold, and Angle) finally went into a classic lock with all three vents participating in the lock. Main Vent had a splash at 07:06, another at 07:07, filled at 07:07, and then at 07:08 was having sustained splashing. East Vent finally initiated the eruption at 07:09 and Main Vent joined in a few seconds later. The first surge barely cleared the boardwalk. As Kitt said, "It's strange to be able to fit the entire eruption (of both Fan and Mortar) into the camera lens." The eruption throught out several sizeable rocks. Upper Mortar started 2 1/2 minutes after East Vent and Lower Mortar joined in a minute later. Just after Lower Mortar started, Main Vent cleared the boardwalk a second time (missing the jogger on her second pass through the eruption). Fan's eruption never was very strong. East Vent did participate in the entire eruption. Duration of the water 28 minutes 10-15 seconds. Viewing conditions were almost as good as the last eruption--just enough wind to blow the steam away from the boardwalk so we could see the water in each individual vent. We had occasional rainbows in the eruption (when the sun came over the hill and peeked through the clouds). Thanks to Steve Robinson for giving the early radio morning call that enabled four of us to join him for the eruption. On another note: While I was biking down to F&M this morning, I looked over at Giant's platform, saw Bijou off, and Mastiff boiling up about 12 - 18 inches. Since this was about about 20 mintues after the start of a Grotto eruption, I stopped to watch. Feather Vent started a couple minutes later. I had stayed on the bike path, and the platform was fairly steamy so I don't know how many vents other than Feather Vent and the southwest vents participated in the hot period and whether Mastiff ever got any higher. The hot period lasted about 4 mintues 30 seconds. This was the first hot period reported since the Giant eruption, but I don't think anyone was in the Upper Basin yesterday looking for Giant hot periods, so there may have been earlier hot periods that were missed. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From upperbasin at comcast.net Mon Aug 8 15:39:20 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Splendid boils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050808223844.9A48E98ECE@halo.wwc.edu> Actually, based on the location of the boil, I'd say it was the side boiler. The Main Vent is not so centered in the primary Splendid crater, but rather more to the south (to the right of the boiling in the photo). Quick primer: When you look at Splendid from the boardwalk to its north you see a large pool on the left, a septum of sinter with a few splashing vents, and a smaller pool on the right. The Main Vent is located in the left pool, and the "side boiler" (named by Marie Wolf) is a small vent WITHIN the Main Vent, on its northern side. So both the Main Vent and the side boiler are in the left pool. When you see splashing from the large pool on the left you have to take special note of the precise source of the splash. The Main Vent itself is not centered within the pool on the left, but is slightly south of center. Thus the "side boiler" looks like it's coming more from the left pool's center. The Main Vent is clearly seen by eye as a darker, deeper area of water (barely visible in the Miller's photo). The other way to discern the difference is the nature of the boiling. The Main Vent's activity is far more agitated and wider than the "side boiler." Paul Strasser _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Dan.Miller at innovaltec.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:10 AM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] Splendid boils We are not experienced enough to judge where the boil comes from, but the attached photo (if it is not too big - 60 Kbyte) seems to indicate main vent. It was taken on July 28th at 11:31 pm UK time just before the Daisy eruption. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050808/d87751cc/attachment.html> From upperbasin at comcast.net Mon Aug 8 16:44:37 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:44:37 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] RE: GIANT 6 August at 0850 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050808234400.98C635253D@halo.wwc.edu> For the third year in a row, Giant erupts on our last full day in the Park during our two-week stay. We've left in July or August, on Sunday or Monday or Tuesday. Like Tara said. This is getting spooky. After watching Giant closely for the preceding two weeks and seeing no change in its overall behavior (in fact, seeing a drop in power in the last few days) since... well, since at least May, I told Ralph on Friday PM that Giant "sucked." It was currently in a Marathon that had started about 0400 and was still chugging along nicely. The primary time for decent hot periods was the first post-Marathon hot period, which had been occurring between 3 and 4.5 hours after the end of the marathon. Suzanne and I had seen plenty of them, and if anything they were getting weaker. When Steve R called "water rising in Mastiff" around 0836 I told Suzanne, who was just finishing a shower. I then called Steve on the radio and asked a simple question - was the platform wet or dry? I assumed that this Mastiff rise would presage a follow-up hot period to the post-marathon event that had probably occurred a few hours earlier. Steve responded, "The platform is dry. This is the recovery hot period." I tried to do some basic calculations of Marathons, quiet periods, etc. At that moment the race was on for Suzanne and me. I still don't know what compelled us to dress and run so quickly - even a slightly longer time between end of Marathon and First Hot Period was no big deal. And Steve's updates every minute were essentially duplicates of every other longish hot period we'd seen in the previous 14 days. "One Minute -- Mastiff was one to two feet." We were at our bikes and pedaling furiously by the four minute mark, and Steve's voice retained that humdrum tone that all of us had developed while calling Giant hot periods. "Four minutes in, Mastiff was flat to three feet in the last minute." As I biked at full tilt, I really wondered what the hell I was doing. As any gazer who was near me during our two-week visit, I had had a bit of a cough - in the same way that the Titanic had a bit of a leak. And I started coughing yet again. Maybe, I mused, there would be a decent restart, or even one of those occasional 15-minute hot periods that seemed to only occur on the post-Marathon events. Steve's calls continued. "Six minutes, Mastiff is flat to three feet." I thought about how the Memorial Day eruption of 2004 occurred 7 min 34 sec after the start of the hot period, and if it happened again I would be in sight of the platform. "Seven minutes, Mastiff was flat to three feet." Yada yada. I saw Daisy i.e. and hadn't heard a call of its eruption, so on my radio reported it. "MASTIFF IS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE CONE!!!!!!!" What?? My first thought, which lasted about two seconds, was some yahoo was interfering with Steve's hot period call. I then saw Mastiff. To the height of the cone. It really was that fast. Nothing for seven point whatever minutes, just like all the other hot periods we'd seen. Then the switch was thrown. I heard screams from the few people on the platform, running about crazily. Mastiff was 10, 20 feet high. Suzanne and I dropped our bikes and legally approached the platform. We ran hither and yon (hither won out, btw) trying to figure out where to stand because the wind direction was basically towards the platform. Shouted updates were radioed as people looked at each other in gazes of utter bewilderment. I saw Suzanne run towards the Gip and it seemed the wind was shifting and perhaps we could see something backlit. Sure enough, we could. Mastiff was not erupting. In fact, its crater appeared empty. But Catfish was roaring to 40-50 feet instead and Giant was sloshing huge surges of water from its cone. I called out this change and got in a position where Giant would be backlit. Two, three huge surges from Giant and it erupted. At first, it was slightly backlit as it rose, but its massive water and steam column became basically opaque. I was the only person stupid enough to be near the platform and watched it essentially straight up and improbably wide. The water fell from Way Up There and drenched the monkey cage, and the jets were getting even higher. The falling water came closer and closer... whoops. A bit of a shower there - the first true Giant shower of my life. Suzanne, who was already rather soggy from her leap from the shower in our room, decided that a little extra water would make little difference, so she purposefully ran through the falling sheets of water. She looked at me with an expression that I shared. It wasn't so much joy as... "What????" Meanwhile, other gazers were heading to Giant. Tara Cross made a decision that I must concede I wouldn't have had the sense to make. She was racing up towards Castle on her bike and made the instantaneous calculation that she wouldn't get into view of Giant from the bike path in time to see the start, so she did the ten-meter bicycle fling at Castle (making a fine clanging sound when it hit the trashcan) and ran along the boardwalk to see Giant's rise. Her description of what she saw was, to say the least, incredibly impressive. There was the usual pandemonium on the boardwalk as Giant entered its basic 160 ft+ stage, its backlit steam cloud was both stupendous and gorgeous. We shared stories, hugs, and high-fives with all who were there. Those who were watching Giant with the most intensity for the past few months are certain to agree - there was absolutely nothing in the prior two weeks to indicate that an eruption was impending. In fact, the power of the hot periods in the days prior to the eruption was weaker than the previous week, with little surging in Mastiff greater than 2-3 feet. (Aha, one might say. That shows Giant was not using a lot of energy and was saving it up for the eruption! But that sort of comment indicates that ANY change is a good thing - that basically an impending Giant eruption is a non-falsifiable hypothesis.) However, we all were in agreement that Giant COULD erupt from the general level of activity we'd seen. There was simply no way of knowing exactly when. I truly expected Giant to just keep doing the same thing it had been doing for days-weeks-months until something changed. By the way, Suzanne and I have not yet determined when we will spend our two weeks in Yellowstone in 2006. When we do we'll let you know - at least we'll tell you when we're leaving the park... Paul Strasser From riozafiro at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 18:42:02 2005 From: riozafiro at earthlink.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] RE: GIANT 6 August at 0850 In-Reply-To: <20050808234400.98C635253D@halo.wwc.edu> References: <20050808234400.98C635253D@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <8C6B4B76-33A3-4070-974D-6F1D4AF3A8D8@earthlink.net> Paul, Tara and Lynn-- Just want to send a BIG thank you for the great write-ups on Giant and Fan and Mortar the last few weeks--wow, it's like I was there. Everyone had such great stories to share and the eruptions sound lovely. Much appreciated!!! Pat Snyder On Aug 8, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Paul Strasser wrote: > For the third year in a row, Giant erupts on our last full day in > the Park > during our two-week stay. We've left in July or August, on Sunday > or Monday > or Tuesday. > > Like Tara said. This is getting spooky. From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Fri Aug 12 12:58:06 2005 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:58:06 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Quick Geyser Report Message-ID: Steve Robinson called me today with the following geyser report: August 12 1108 GIANTESS!!! Finally. It was having huge boils when I was in the park. And, Fan & Mortar had not erupted as of when he called, pushing the interval well over 4 days. August 11 1255 Giant hot period, d=7m35s. Steve reported that for the last 2-3 minutes of the hot period, Mastiff was surging 1-4 feet and wide. There was a 3-minute restart at 1305. This hot period was followed by another around 1800 that lasted over 8 minutes with Mastiff flat to 2 feet. I was sure hoping that the eruption would reset it out of that garbage, but apparently not. --Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Aug 12 16:56:06 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:56:06 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Quick Geyser Report Message-ID: <9e.2b536109.302e9116@aol.com> In a message dated 8/12/2005 1:58:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, fanandmortar at hotmail.com writes: 1108 GIANTESS!!! May I add, especially for those who were around for the eruption on Memorial Day weekend, when the eruption itself was pathetic -- this was a very nice steam phase. Carl Sheehan (the potter in the OF Lodge) told me that he heard the roar from inside the Inn's Employee Dining Room. An eruption of Giantess always gets a 10 for being Giantess. As for the eruptions, that in May garnered a 3 (maybe), but this one I'll give a 7+. Scott Bryan who :-) was with a tour and arrived while Giantess was still in its initial surging. 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URL: <#/attachments/20050813/bb7bfa5f/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Aug 13 16:01:57 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:01:57 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Short geyser report August 13 Message-ID: <1a7.3cab2229.302fd5e5@aol.com> Has Giant erupted by now? Seems like anytime Grotto does something odd, Giant responds in some way. Alas real life commitments in town forced me to leave early. But... Grotto yesterday was in marathon, apparently for something longer than 24 hours, and when Grotto Fountain started today at 1046, some were surprised that it was "so early." But the odd part is that Grotto then did not start until 1102 -- 16 minutes after Grotto Fountain's start. And further, there was then a Rocket major at 1114, yes, only 12 minutes after Grotto's start but it was very strong and had a duration of 9 minutes. So... As of 11:44, Fan and Mortar were up to almost 5 days 5 hours without erupting, and without really acting like they wanted to. For the record, somebody radioed the VC that Great Fountain was "in overflow or almost so" (yes, a statement a bit odd) at [I think it was] 1025. Wrong. As of noon exactly it had not overflowed (it was several inches down) and had not erupted... Note that Lynn reported (yesterday? -- I should have paid better attention) Great Fountain either had an interval of 16h 48m (more than an hour longer than this year's previous long) or else that was a double with two intervals very much shorter than this year's previous short. 'Tis all. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050813/5dbe3feb/attachment.html> From upperbasin at comcast.net Sat Aug 13 22:13:05 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Short geyser report August 13 In-Reply-To: <1a7.3cab2229.302fd5e5@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050814051221.05DA794051@halo.wwc.edu> Scott: You wrote: >>>>Grotto yesterday was in marathon, apparently for something longer than 24 hours, and when Grotto Fountain started today at 1046, some were surprised that it was "so early." But the odd part is that Grotto then did not start until 1102 -- 16 minutes after Grotto Fountain's start. And further, there was then a Rocket major at 1114, yes, only 12 minutes after Grotto's start but it was very strong and had a duration of 9 minutes. So... <<<<< Dunno if this was ever reported to the listserve, but on 8/3 something similar happened. A Grotto Marathon quit about 0700. At 2005 the post-marathon Grotto Fountain began; Grotto started at 2018. There was a Rocket Major at 2038, and Grotto quit at 2050. Many of us remarked that this was extremely odd. Looks like Grotto out-odded itself. Maybe folks should look at Giant on the 15th.. Heh. Paul Strasser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050813/bae3dd5d/attachment.html> From korycollier at msn.com Sun Aug 14 09:27:29 2005 From: korycollier at msn.com (Kory Collier) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:27:29 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess questions References: <9e.2b536109.302e9116@aol.com> Message-ID: My 11-year-old son and I arrived at UGB in the late evening of the 12th not having heard any geyser news. We were very interested to see Giantess erupting, rather gently, as soon as we pulled in, and we headed right over to it. He had never seen any action from Giantess. For about 15 minutes we enjoyed watching steamy jets whose maximum height was maybe 30-40 feet. Very few people were on the Hill, and the sound of the eruption was majestic and peaceful, including impressively low-pitched sounds accompanied by the recurring light rush of falling water drops. My son commented that he wished he could have a recording of it to listen to when falling asleep at night (an excellent thought which made me wish I could conjure up Steve Gryc and his recording equipment). I became very curious to know what had happened earlier in the day: How high did it reach at the start of the eruption? How long after the start did the steam phase begin? How long did the steam phase last, and about when did the jetting of water begin again? Was this, then, what is called a mixed phase eruption? Was this eruption typical of Giantess eruptions in recent years? Answers to any of these questions would be very much enjoyed. Thanks Kory Collier ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: TSBryan at aol.com To: geysers at wwc.edu Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Geysers] Quick Geyser Report In a message dated 8/12/2005 1:58:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, fanandmortar at hotmail.com writes: 1108 GIANTESS!!! May I add, especially for those who were around for the eruption on Memorial Day weekend, when the eruption itself was pathetic -- this was a very nice steam phase. Carl Sheehan (the potter in the OF Lodge) told me that he heard the roar from inside the Inn's Employee Dining Room. An eruption of Giantess always gets a 10 for being Giantess. As for the eruptions, that in May garnered a 3 (maybe), but this one I'll give a 7+. Scott Bryan who :-) was with a tour and arrived while Giantess was still in its initial surging. Earlier we were also standing immediately in front of Fountain when it started at 1010. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050814/92cf3731/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Aug 15 15:29:06 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:29:06 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday August 15 Message-ID: <19c.3980bb7d.30327132@aol.com> Since I've rather seldom of late been into the geyser basins as a gazer and there have been few other reports, I thought I'd provide a summary of some major geysers. First though-- As of 1330 today, Fan and Mortar still had not erupted since last Monday morning (interval 7days 06 hours and counting). This morning's Grotto (the 8th since the most recent marathon) was preceeded by Startling Geyser, then 14 minutes later by Grotto Fountain. Grotto was perfectly normal, starting 3 1/2 minutes after Grotto Fountain. Plume woke up yesterday (Giantess effect?). Observed intervals were 4h 02m, 2h 36m, 1h 10m, 1h 12m, 1h 16m, 1h 33m, and 1h 39m. However, evidently the only eruption seen today (again, as of 1330) had been at 0711. So maybe it quit again? In the following I'm giving only the basics, intervals (based entirely on logbook times) and little else from August 8 through (yes!) 1330 today. BEEHIVE: 12h 48m, 18h 45m, 20h 39m, ~19h 53m, ~20h 22m, 13h 32m [with Giantess], 23h 27m, 24h 43m, 14h 16. CASTLE (minor intervals in [brackets]): 12h 50m, 12h 40m minor, [9h 42m], 13h 55m, <13h 03m (ie time), ~12h 25m minor, [3h 41m], 13h 49m, 12h 53m, 13h 03m, 12h 27m, 13h 36m minor, [8h 42m], 13h 56m. Do note the length of two of the three minor intervals! GRAND: 6h 29m, 6h 20m, 6h 50m, 7h 00m, 6h 47m, 7h 16m, 9h 46m, 7h 09m, 6h 31m, 8h 47m, 7h 18m, 6h 39m, 8h 03m, 7h 09m, 6h 19m (!), 6h 47m, 8h 38m, 7h 31m; missing time, double interval 13h 52m; 6h 16m (!), 8h 33m, 6h 55m. GREAT FOUNTAIN: 11h 26m, 11h 48m, 12h 30m, 13h 41m, 10h 02m, 10h 31m, 13h 01m, 16h 47m. That last, confirmed by the electronics, is the last of this series, as somehow I failed to write down the times for August 13-14. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050815/8396493a/attachment.html> From janet.johns5 at verizon.net Mon Aug 15 17:42:46 2005 From: janet.johns5 at verizon.net (Jan and Lew) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Short geyser report August 13 References: <20050814051221.05DA794051@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <003201c5a1fb$7228b1e0$2f01a8c0@toshibauser> We've seen an 19 minute Grotto Fountain before Grotto, but the Rocket 12 minutes after Grotto Start. Wow.....wish we had more data.... Jan and Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Strasser To: 'geyser observation reports' Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [Geysers] Short geyser report August 13 Scott: You wrote: >>>>Grotto yesterday was in marathon, apparently for something longer than 24 hours, and when Grotto Fountain started today at 1046, some were surprised that it was "so early." But the odd part is that Grotto then did not start until 1102 -- 16 minutes after Grotto Fountain's start. And further, there was then a Rocket major at 1114, yes, only 12 minutes after Grotto's start but it was very strong and had a duration of 9 minutes. So... <<<<< Dunno if this was ever reported to the listserve, but on 8/3 something similar happened. A Grotto Marathon quit about 0700. At 2005 the post-marathon Grotto Fountain began; Grotto started at 2018. There was a Rocket Major at 2038, and Grotto quit at 2050. Many of us remarked that this was extremely odd. Looks like Grotto out-odded itself. Maybe folks should look at Giant on the 15th.. Heh. Paul Strasser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050815/4fa42dbe/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Aug 15 18:43:43 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:43:43 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Short geyser report August 13 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/2005 6:18:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, upperbasin at comcast.net writes: Dunno if this was ever reported to the listserve, but on 8/3 something similar happened. A Grotto Marathon quit about 0700. At 2005 the post-marathon Grotto Fountain began; Grotto started at 2018. There was a Rocket Major at 2038, and Grotto quit at 2050. Many of us remarked that this was extremely odd. Ah, yes. But now I'm told that this time Grotto continued for a total duration of 2 1/2 hours, without anything of further oddness. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050815/1f2bc66b/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Aug 15 18:47:31 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:47:31 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Giantess questions Message-ID: <204.7daa852.30329fb3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/15/2005 6:18:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, korycollier at msn.com writes: How high did it reach at the start of the eruption? Not exceptional. Just before the steam phase started some jets were perhaps 120 - 130 feet high. How long after the start did the steam phase begin? Remarkably soon -- only something like 43 minutes from initial surging to steam phase. How long did the steam phase last, and about when did the jetting of water begin again? Was this, then, what is called a mixed phase eruption? Basically, this was a steam phase eruption. At least from what I heard, the return to water jetting was rather minor and did not include any truely _intermittent_ (meaning, separated by quiet intervals) eruptions. Also, that Giantess was about 98% done by the next morning says steam phase type (at least dominately so). Was this eruption typical of Giantess eruptions in recent years? All are different. Each one gets a 10 out of 10 for being Giantess. Any other ranking is in the eye of the beholder. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050815/1b354ea6/attachment.html> From yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 21:43:35 2005 From: yellowstonekaren at yahoo.com (Karen Low) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon In-Reply-To: <20050814051221.05DA794051@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <20050816044336.5330.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> I haven't seen anything like the short Grottos Scott and Paul described, but it sparks a memory. Whichever year (1997) the Johns were conducting a Grotto study they noted a few times when Grotto erupted very early after a marathon. Sometimes only a few hours after the end of a long marathon. These eruptions were very short (less than an hour) and seemed count as a little extra duration on the marathon in the sense that if you added their duration to the marathon and counted the marathon interval to the next 'real' Grotto it was about what the duration/interval formula would have predicted. None of these were seen that year so it's possible that Rocket had strong, early eruptions in those too. David Goldberg (from Karen's email account) --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050815/4831474c/attachment.html> From riozafiro at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 04:53:58 2005 From: riozafiro at earthlink.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:53:58 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Monday August 15 In-Reply-To: <19c.3980bb7d.30327132@aol.com> References: <19c.3980bb7d.30327132@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C755FE3-FC85-4365-95E5-AC18FA2586D3@earthlink.net> Thanks for the report, Scott. On Aug 15, 2005, at 3:29 PM, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: >As of 1330 today, Fan and Mortar still had not erupted since last Monday morning (interval 7days 06 hours and counting).< Are Fan and Mortar having events? Hopeful ones, or not? Thanks for any info... Pat S. From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Aug 16 15:05:06 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:05:06 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Brief geyser report August 16 Message-ID: <141.4ba3a180.3033bd12@aol.com> To simply note that as of 1300 today, still no Fan and Mortar, so 8 days+ and counting. Event cycles for the past several days have consisted of splashing in Main Vent, but usually only for very short times, and rather infrequent Bottom Vent eruptions that typically last only 2 minutes or so (and usually are too brief and weak to qualify as full eruptions). Per Steve Robinson (he thinks) there has been no River Vent pause in four days. Yesterday I noted that Plume had been seen at 0711 and not after that. I am corrected with additional eruptions at 1021 (interval 3h 10m) and 1227 (interval 2h 06m). However, Plume has NOT been seen since then. Beehive today was at 1152, Indicator of 16 minutes. This morning's marathon recovery Giant Hot Period, at 1207, had a duration of 9m 20s with only moderate Mastiff overflow and no big surges. I was the only gazer present for Great Fountain (1415, P=0), whose biggest jets were at the start of the 2nd burst and reached perhaps 80 feet high. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050816/0627e1ad/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Aug 16 15:12:09 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Message-ID: <1f2.fdc1e07.3033beb9@aol.com> It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for pertinent backco untry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do so (or not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential use. As a couple of examples of what I'm after: Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union Geyser, Bead Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser Crater Hills Geyser Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major frontcountry basins. Thanks in advance. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050816/3583f288/attachment.html> From janet.johns5 at verizon.net Tue Aug 16 18:07:38 2005 From: janet.johns5 at verizon.net (Jan and Lew) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon References: <20050816044336.5330.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c5a2c8$0fa94e80$2f01a8c0@toshibauser> Shortest Grotto we recorded 7/22/95 Start 2:58 End 12:04 (Lew visual end 12:19) 556 minutes duration Start 1513 End 1538 24 minutes duration We both were there in the morning taking stupid notes about the marathon pool and the eternal (I mean variable) spring. Seems we spent the morning watching them do nothing very interesting then we went to the hill. It seems we were watching Beehive at 1551 that day. So a Rocket would be possible since no one would have been looking that way. I do think that we went through stuff with David and David and came up with the notion of a "false marathon stop" with great glee.....(its even in our notes) what fun it was! Jan and Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Low To: geyser observation reports Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon I haven't seen anything like the short Grottos Scott and Paul described, but it sparks a memory. Whichever year (1997) the Johns were conducting a Grotto study they noted a few times when Grotto erupted very early after a marathon. Sometimes only a few hours after the end of a long marathon. These eruptions were very short (less than an hour) and seemed count as a little extra duration on the marathon in the sense that if you added their duration to the marathon and counted the marathon interval to the next 'real' Grotto it was about what the duration/interval formula would have predicted. None of these were seen that year so it's possible that Rocket had strong, early eruptions in those too. David Goldberg (from Karen's email account) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050816/397dc2cd/attachment.html> From dtaylor at weber.edu Tue Aug 16 19:31:09 2005 From: dtaylor at weber.edu (Dave TAYLOR) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:31:09 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Message-ID: A couple of thoughts: 1) How is the GPS coord. to be determined? Is there a standard point in relation to a feature that it would be at? Or are they just points at which the feature can be easily determined? (There's-a-hot-pot-in-front-of-me-so-this-must-be-it idea). It wouldn't matter to the casual observer, but some kind of uniformity would be more handy for technical analysis. 2) I would imagine part of the question of including or not including GPS points in the book would be to protect those features against vandalism. Perhaps a good middle road between providing the information and protecting the features would be to make the list available to GOSA members rather than put it in the book. It could be part of a 'members' section on the website, for instance. (I know I haven't touched the website yet, but don't let that dillute the arguement- it's possible). Pros and cons both ways, too numerous to discuss here. Thanks, Dave Taylor Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: TSBryan at aol.com Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT Size: 6729 URL: <#/attachments/20050816/b6964312/attachment.mht> From tddatlasvegas at cox.net Tue Aug 16 21:08:03 2005 From: tddatlasvegas at cox.net (thomas dunn) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:08:03 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates In-Reply-To: <1f2.fdc1e07.3033beb9@aol.com> References: <1f2.fdc1e07.3033beb9@aol.com> Message-ID: Scott, several years ago a survey was being done to GPS all (or most YNP thermal features). This data maybe available and includes very accurate GPS data. I suggest talking to Mike Keller about this information and who to contact to get GPS data for the features you want and others. Tom Dunn On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT, wrote: > It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as > Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for > pertinent backco > untry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do > so (or > not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you > already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential use. > > As a couple of examples of what I'm after: > > Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union Geyser, > Bead Geyser. > > Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic > > Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser > > Crater Hills Geyser > > Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano > > You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major > frontcountry basins. > > Thanks in advance. > > Scott Bryan > > > __________ NOD32 1.1195 (20050816) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jereb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 09:11:42 2005 From: jereb at earthlink.net (Jere Bush) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:11:42 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Message-ID: <410-22005831716114223@earthlink.net> Scott and other GPS users, Any recommendations on acquiring the GPS points? Examples:: Triangulate the feature? Take a meter tape to measure the offsets and a compass to measure the offset azimuths (record the magnetic and declination corrected azimuths used in calculating the final UTM positions)? Record the epe at the time of taking the data (est. prob. err.)? average the readings 100 times (see epe). And take a pic of the feature to eliminate that small possible error? Any interest in including a few data points along the trails to back country basins? jere bush ----- Original Message ----- From: To: geysers at wwc.edu Sent: 08/16/05 5:12:10 PM Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for pertinent backcountry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do so (or not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential use. As a couple of examples of what I'm after: Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union Geyser, Bead Geyser. Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser Crater Hills Geyser Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major frontcountry basins. Thanks in advance. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050817/0b8d2ed0/attachment.html> From ralpht at iglou.com Wed Aug 17 12:27:39 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:27:39 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser stats updated as of 21 July 2005 Message-ID: I have updated the geyser statistics on the GOSA website. Sorry for the long delay but I have not been able to make any updates to the site for some obscure technical reason. The link to the data is HYPERLINK "http://www.geyserstudy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm"http://www.geyserstu dy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm As always, any comments, questions, or errors noted are welcome. Ralph Taylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050817/f02ecb24/attachment.html> From upperbasin at comcast.net Wed Aug 17 17:34:42 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:34:42 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon In-Reply-To: <004401c5a2c8$0fa94e80$2f01a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: <20050818003442.8B56172037@halo.wwc.edu> One thing about these short post-marathons. I've seen two types. In one there is no Grotto Marathon, but Grotto just sort of sloshes a bit, then builds up strength and - by gosh - it sure looks like an eruption. Then Grotto fades away and stops after 25-30 minutes. The other kind is what Scott (and previously moi) saw this year. A full blown Grotto Marathon, then a real Grotto start (big whoosh, etc.) then a real Rocket. Then a real stop. Also, the one I saw (and I assume Scott also) this year took place at the expected time for the true post-Marathon eruption - many hours after the end of the marathon. Paul Strasser _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of Jan and Lew Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:08 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon Shortest Grotto we recorded 7/22/95 Start 2:58 End 12:04 (Lew visual end 12:19) 556 minutes duration Start 1513 End 1538 24 minutes duration We both were there in the morning taking stupid notes about the marathon pool and the eternal (I mean variable) spring. Seems we spent the morning watching them do nothing very interesting then we went to the hill. It seems we were watching Beehive at 1551 that day. So a Rocket would be possible since no one would have been looking that way. I do think that we went through stuff with David and David and came up with the notion of a "false marathon stop" with great glee.....(its even in our notes) what fun it was! Jan and Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Low To: geyser observation reports Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon I haven't seen anything like the short Grottos Scott and Paul described, but it sparks a memory. Whichever year (1997) the Johns were conducting a Grotto study they noted a few times when Grotto erupted very early after a marathon. Sometimes only a few hours after the end of a long marathon. These eruptions were very short (less than an hour) and seemed count as a little extra duration on the marathon in the sense that if you added their duration to the marathon and counted the marathon interval to the next 'real' Grotto it was about what the duration/interval formula would have predicted. None of these were seen that year so it's possible that Rocket had strong, early eruptions in those too. David Goldberg (from Karen's email account) _____ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page _____ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050817/1d79e0eb/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Wed Aug 17 20:57:50 2005 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:57:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c5a3a9$03764410$f5e7fe04@MikeKeller> All, >From 1997-2001 the NPS did an extensive project mapping and cataloging the thermals of the main geyser areas. They avoided most out of the way nameless backcountry areas but those listed by Scott were taken. On most days an experienced geyser gazer was with the group. Steve Miller compiled and oversaw the project. He works in Mammoth. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of thomas dunn Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Scott, several years ago a survey was being done to GPS all (or most YNP thermal features). This data maybe available and includes very accurate GPS data. I suggest talking to Mike Keller about this information and who to contact to get GPS data for the features you want and others. Tom Dunn On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT, wrote: > It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as > Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for > pertinent backco > untry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do > so (or > not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you > already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential use. > > As a couple of examples of what I'm after: > > Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union Geyser, > Bead Geyser. > > Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic > > Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser > > Crater Hills Geyser > > Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano > > You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major > frontcountry basins. > > Thanks in advance. > > Scott Bryan > > > __________ NOD32 1.1195 (20050816) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From ralpht at iglou.com Wed Aug 17 21:36:03 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:36:03 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The inventory project is under the direction of Ann Rodman at the Yellowstone Center for Resources. Ralph Taylor -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of thomas dunn Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 PM To: geyser observation reports Subject: Re: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Scott, several years ago a survey was being done to GPS all (or most YNP thermal features). This data maybe available and includes very accurate GPS data. I suggest talking to Mike Keller about this information and who to contact to get GPS data for the features you want and others. Tom Dunn On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT, wrote: > It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as > Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for > pertinent backco > untry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do > so (or > not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you > already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential use. > > As a couple of examples of what I'm after: > > Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union Geyser, > Bead Geyser. > > Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic > > Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser > > Crater Hills Geyser > > Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano > > You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major > frontcountry basins. > > Thanks in advance. > > Scott Bryan > > > __________ NOD32 1.1195 (20050816) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Aug 18 06:42:59 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:42:59 EDT Subject: [Geysers] About my GPS idea Message-ID: <9f.6557b676.3035ea63@aol.com> Interesting how people either feel this is a wonderful idea long overdue, or absolutely horrible. Let me say that at this moment, the intent is to obtain a number of GPS locations. Most likely, the only ones put into the book will be basic waypoints -- trail junctions and such -- that will help people with sufficient interest to get to the appropriate area. Under no circunstances would I include positions for Buried Geyser, probably none for Crater Hills (though I listed it), and so on, and decidedly not for a Fairyland Basin, West Pelican Geyser, etc. As for any like Minute Man, Rustic, and such things well in the backcountry, probably if "my" GPS led to a vandalism, that vandal would have at least been in the area anyway. As for getting a hold of the NPS's GPS from the surveys a few years ago, in which Keller was involved, well: a) I don't know if it is nbow available or not, but even if it is, b) I was told a year or so ago when I actually queried on this that the data was for in-house use, not available to the public in part because of inaccuracy. Which I and others noted at the sime of the surveysModern GPS is now said to be accurate within 3 meters, and that's plenty good. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050818/b1f3c1dc/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Aug 18 19:29:21 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:29:21 EDT Subject: [Geysers] RE: Short Early Grotto Postmarathon Message-ID: <1d7.42eff359.30369e01@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/2005 5:45:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, upperbasin at comcast.net writes: A full blown Grotto Marathon, then a real Grotto start (big whoosh, etc.) then a real Rocket. Then a real stop. Also, the one I saw (and I assume Scott also) this year took place at the expected time for the true post-Marathon eruption ? many hours after the end of the marathon. Not quite. Number one, I was not there for the prior activity, but I was told that the Grotto start was earlier than expected -- hours but perhaps not "many hours" after the end of the marathon. And number two, after the Rocket there was not a real stop -- the eruption continued for a total duration of a "normal" 2 1/2 hours or so (without another Rocket). All of which I guess means -- something a bit different.. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050818/52a23cfd/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Aug 18 19:35:16 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:35:16 EDT Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Message-ID: I have now had several people advise me as to how to get (or at least contact the person in charge of) the NPS GPS data. It is not that I might not want to use it. I shall repeat (one time only) -- about one year (or less) I queried about this and I got the word, from Hank Heasler via Lee Whittlesey that the data was NOT available to non-NPS persons. There was no waffling. Sorry, but it was the NPS geologist who adivised of inaccuracies in the NPS data and cited that as one reason for not making it available to the public. Yes, really. I ain't going to fight about it. All I want is a few points and I now have a GPS device that has the code allowing for + or - 3 meter accuracy -- which I understand did NOT exist during the NPS survey. I do not want inaccuracy. I am now sorry that I brought this up at all. I'll do it myself, for myself. Thanks. End of topic. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050818/7829c483/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Aug 18 19:37:15 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:37:15 EDT Subject: [Geysers] No Fan and Mortar Message-ID: <1ab.3d9236e3.30369fdb@aol.com> As of 1230 today, F & M had not erupted. Over 10 days, and evidently one short River Vent pause accompanied by essentially nothing was the only so-called "event" from yesterday morning to midday today. This is all second hand info, as I had a tour today (and again tomorrow). Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050818/c0f53e25/attachment.html> From obrien at rush.aero.org Thu Aug 18 21:03:38 2005 From: obrien at rush.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:03:38 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] About my GPS idea In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:42:59 EDT." <9f.6557b676.3035ea63@aol.com> Message-ID: <200508190403.j7J43dI20151@rushe.aero.org> Scott Bryan says: > Which I and others noted at the sime of the surveysModern GPS is now > said to be accurate within 3 meters, and that's plenty good. The surveys that Art Lange and I (and random others, often including Rocco) were doing in the 1994-6 time frame (or so) were accurate in many cases to sub-meter resolution. We stood around with antennae stuck down the throats of various things for a l-o-o-n-g time. Unfortunately no one was able to locate this data among Rick's effects after he died. It's now presumed lost. (Actually I _may_ have it, or some of it. I kept much of it on a long-deceased laptop which, mirabile dictu, I actually backed up. I still have the diskettes, dozens of them. Unfortunately they're in Norton Backup format and I no longer have a copy of Norton Backup.) Mike O'Brien From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Fri Aug 19 16:20:54 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:20:54 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report--Grand (Stephens) Message-ID: <200508191720.AA810877120@mail.sisna.com> This morning while Butch Bach and I were watching what turned out to be a 2-burst Grand, he asked if I knew what the average number of bursts had been lately. I replied that I hadn't run statistics since sometime last summer, but thought it had been about 1 3/4 at that time. This afternoon after the 4-burst Grand, I decided to analyze data from July 2005. (I haven't xeroxed the August logbook yet) During July 2005, there were 51 eruptions for which the burst count was reported in the OFVC logbook. Count Percent of Percent When Total Initiator known Grand initiated 13 25% 27% Turban initiated 35 69% 73% Unknown 3 6% The eruptions were almost evenly split on whether Vent & Turban quit immediately after Grand (and then restarted several minutes later) or whether Vent & Turban continued after Grand stopped--Vent & Turban continued after 26 eruptions and quit after 25 eruptions. Burst Count: Count Percent 1 burst eruptions 31 61% 2 burst eruptions 18 35% 3 burst eruptions 2 4% Average burst count for the 51 eruptions for which the burst count was reported in July -- 1.43. There were no 4 burst eruptions during July. There was one on June 21 at 22:57. There was a note in the logbook that that 4 burst eruption may have been the first one reported since October 2003. Today's eruption started at 14:26 with blue sky and sun on the eruption. The June 21 eruption was Turban initiated; today's eruption was Grand initiated. Grand erupted on the first Turban cycle after Rift had started, which also happened to be the first Turban cycle after the prediction window opened, so there weren't many visitors there and I think I was the only gazer at Grand for the eruption, although some of the gazers waiting for a Giant hot period also had various views of the eruption. (MaryBeth is in Seattle this week, so I'm doing some of the Grand eruptions.) The first burst lasted 6m54seconds. The visitors around me were disappointed when it stopped and couldn't understand why I was excited until I reassured them that the pool still had water and Grand would erupt again. The second burst ended at 8m20seconds and the pool had plenty of water, so I was telling people to stick around. The third burst ended at 10m47seconds and the pool still had some water. After a pause of 56 seconds, which seemed to take forever, the fourth burst wowed the entire audience. Total duration of the eruption was 12m16seconds. Vent had turned to steam before Grand quit and Vent and Turban quit immediately at the end of Grand's eruption. It took 21 minutes from the time Grand ended and V&T quit until V&T restarted. I didn't stick around to see when Rift ended. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Fri Aug 19 16:20:54 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:20:54 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report--Grand (Stephens) Message-ID: <200508191720.AA810877120@mail.sisna.com> This morning while Butch Bach and I were watching what turned out to be a 2-burst Grand, he asked if I knew what the average number of bursts had been lately. I replied that I hadn't run statistics since sometime last summer, but thought it had been about 1 3/4 at that time. This afternoon after the 4-burst Grand, I decided to analyze data from July 2005. (I haven't xeroxed the August logbook yet) During July 2005, there were 51 eruptions for which the burst count was reported in the OFVC logbook. Count Percent of Percent When Total Initiator known Grand initiated 13 25% 27% Turban initiated 35 69% 73% Unknown 3 6% The eruptions were almost evenly split on whether Vent & Turban quit immediately after Grand (and then restarted several minutes later) or whether Vent & Turban continued after Grand stopped--Vent & Turban continued after 26 eruptions and quit after 25 eruptions. Burst Count: Count Percent 1 burst eruptions 31 61% 2 burst eruptions 18 35% 3 burst eruptions 2 4% Average burst count for the 51 eruptions for which the burst count was reported in July -- 1.43. There were no 4 burst eruptions during July. There was one on June 21 at 22:57. There was a note in the logbook that that 4 burst eruption may have been the first one reported since October 2003. Today's eruption started at 14:26 with blue sky and sun on the eruption. The June 21 eruption was Turban initiated; today's eruption was Grand initiated. Grand erupted on the first Turban cycle after Rift had started, which also happened to be the first Turban cycle after the prediction window opened, so there weren't many visitors there and I think I was the only gazer at Grand for the eruption, although some of the gazers waiting for a Giant hot period also had various views of the eruption. (MaryBeth is in Seattle this week, so I'm doing some of the Grand eruptions.) The first burst lasted 6m54seconds. The visitors around me were disappointed when it stopped and couldn't understand why I was excited until I reassured them that the pool still had water and Grand would erupt again. The second burst ended at 8m20seconds and the pool had plenty of water, so I was telling people to stick around. The third burst ended at 10m47seconds and the pool still had some water. After a pause of 56 seconds, which seemed to take forever, the fourth burst wowed the entire audience. Total duration of the eruption was 12m16seconds. Vent had turned to steam before Grand quit and Vent and Turban quit immediately at the end of Grand's eruption. It took 21 minutes from the time Grand ended and V&T quit until V&T restarted. I didn't stick around to see when Rift ended. Lynn Stephens _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From steve_eagle_miller at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 08:44:50 2005 From: steve_eagle_miller at hotmail.com (Steven Miller) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:44:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All SPEAKING AS A PRIVIATE CITIZEN! I for one do not like the idea that Joe Tourist and his family armed with a little GPS unit and Scott's book will try and find features in backcountry areas. Think of the damage that could be done to Bat Pool and or the bats with people trooping around. Little Joey decides to play with the bats by pushing a stick into the crack in the rock. Or he runs out on to the shelf. Think of the people gathering cinders from cinder pool! OK I am an extremist. It is not just the Geyser Gazers who read Scott's book but a lot of tourist coming to the park who do not respect (both the beauty and the dangers) the geyser the way Gazers do that I worry about. Just my opinion Steve Miller "Life is pleasant. Death is Peaceful. It is the transtion that's Troublesome." -Issac Asimov request at wwc.edu?subject=subscribe> >Errors-To: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu >Return-Path: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 23:45:06.0355 (UTC) >FILETIME=[DC7D9830:01C5A44E] > >The inventory project is under the direction of Ann Rodman at the >Yellowstone Center for Resources. > >Ralph Taylor > >-----Original Message----- >From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of >thomas dunn >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 PM >To: geyser observation reports >Subject: Re: [Geysers] GPS coordinates > >Scott, several years ago a survey was being done to GPS all (or most YNP >thermal features). This data maybe available and includes very accurate >GPS data. I suggest talking to Mike Keller about this information and who >to contact to get GPS data for the features you want and others. > >Tom Dunn > > > >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT, wrote: > > > It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as > > Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for > > pertinent backco > > untry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do > > so (or > > not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you > > already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential >use. > > > > As a couple of examples of what I'm after: > > > > Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union >Geyser, > > Bead Geyser. > > > > Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic > > > > Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser > > > > Crater Hills Geyser > > > > Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano > > > > You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major > > frontcountry basins. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Scott Bryan > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1195 (20050816) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >-- >Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From steve_eagle_miller at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 09:43:50 2005 From: steve_eagle_miller at hotmail.com (Steven Miller) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:43:50 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates In-Reply-To: <002301c5a3a9$03764410$f5e7fe04@MikeKeller> Message-ID: All Just FYI The Thermal Inventory Project has been running since 1997. Having finished the Front country areas the project is currently concentrating on backcountry areas and to date has inventoried over 9,000 features. Steve Miller "Life is pleasant. Death is Peaceful. It is the transtion that's Troublesome." -Issac Asimov >Return-Path: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2005 23:45:29.0537 (UTC) >FILETIME=[EA4EE310:01C5A44E] > >All, > > >From 1997-2001 the NPS did an extensive project mapping and cataloging >the >thermals of the main geyser areas. They avoided most out of the way >nameless backcountry areas but those listed by Scott were taken. On most >days an experienced geyser gazer was with the group. Steve Miller compiled >and oversaw the project. He works in Mammoth. > >MK > >-----Original Message----- >From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of >thomas dunn >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:08 PM >To: geyser observation reports >Subject: Re: [Geysers] GPS coordinates > >Scott, several years ago a survey was being done to GPS all (or most YNP >thermal features). This data maybe available and includes very accurate >GPS data. I suggest talking to Mike Keller about this information and who >to contact to get GPS data for the features you want and others. > >Tom Dunn > > > >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:12:09 EDT, wrote: > > > It has been suggested in the past that I include GPS coordinates (as > > Universal Transverse Mercator, not as Degrees Minutes Seconds) for > > pertinent backco > > untry locations when preparing the 4th Edition of my book. I _might_ do > > so (or > > not !), and so I have started recording UTM positions. Should any of you > > already have such positions, I would keep them on file for potential >use. > > > > As a couple of examples of what I'm after: > > > > Shoshone Geyser Basin, Trailside Geyser, Minute Man Geyser, Union >Geyser, > > Bead Geyser. > > > > Heart Lake Geyser Basin, Glade, Ivory, Rustic > > > > Gibbon Geyser Basin, Bulls Eye Spring, Bat Pool, Phoenix Geyser > > > > Crater Hills Geyser > > > > Cold Water Geyser near Mud Volcano > > > > You get the idea. I see no point to such coordinates in the major > > frontcountry basins. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Scott Bryan > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1195 (20050816) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > >-- >Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From TSBryan at aol.com Fri Aug 19 19:25:32 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:25:32 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Really brief geyser report August 19 Message-ID: <20e.76f9258.3037ee9c@aol.com> No, Fan and Mortar had not erupted as of 1230 today, 8/19 -- that's over 11 days and so I see no point in further reporting on those holes in the rocks until/unless they actually do someday erupt. However, sometime between yesterday morning around 1030 and today at 1015, Silex Spring did erupt. No question. My markers were all gone, plus the pool was very murky, boiling vigorously, having frequent massive overflows and etc. Celestine was massively boiling, too. Now for (I think) the eighth (maybe only seventh) time while on tour, Fountain started while I and the group were actually standing right there. Amazing luck. However (I'll try to remember to correct this in the logbook), I think I called its start this morning at 1023. Don't know why I said that. It was at 1038. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050819/aeda1992/attachment.html> From geysirs at excite.com Fri Aug 19 20:52:43 2005 From: geysirs at excite.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Geysers] No Fan and Mortar Message-ID: <20050820035243.48FADB75B@xprdmailfe17.nwk.excite.com> I left the UGB at 1800 on Thursday. As of that time Fan and Mortar had not had an event cycle on Thursday. The only known event cycle on Wednesday was a weak River vent pause at 0607, River vent was off for just 3 minutes. The previous 4 days (8-13 through 16), there were no River vent pause or Gold vent pause cycles. The only event cycles were just Main vent splashing, 5 to 15 minutes before River vent came on and stopped splashing shortly after River vent on. Steve --- On Thu 08/18, TSBryan at aol.com wrote: From: [mailto: TSBryan at aol.com] To: geysers at wwc.edu Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:37:15 EDT Subject: [Geysers] No Fan and Mortar
As of 1230 today, F M had not erupted. Over 10 days, and evidently one short River Vent pause accompanied by essentially nothing was the only so-called "event" from yesterday morning to midday today. This is all second hand info, as I had a tour today (and again tomorrow).
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Karl Hoppe ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Aug 20 06:37:23 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:37:23 EDT Subject: [Geysers] GPS coordinates Message-ID: <14.4b978842.30388c13@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2005 6:18:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, steve_eagle_miller at hotmail.com writes: The Thermal Inventory Project has been running since 1997. Having finished the Front country areas the project is currently concentrating on backcountry areas and to date has inventoried over 9,000 features. Guessing at AnnRodman's address -- OK, are the results of the Thermal Inventory Project available to the public? If so, how does one go about obtaining these results? T. Scott Bryan 301A Nez Perce Avenue P. O. Box 441 West Yellowstone, MT 59758-0441 (406) 646-7327 TSBryan at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050820/df61d7b7/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Aug 20 20:23:41 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:23:41 EDT Subject: [Geysers] geysers and property Message-ID: <158.5726d5cb.30394dbd@aol.com> I really have nothing much to say about geysers. I said that I wouldn't mention Fan and Mortar until they'd erupted. Well, sorry -- they didn't erupt. Silex didn't either, nor much else. But now I hope the moderator will allow -- per studies of the local ("Hebgen Basin") Multiple Listing Service, there are presently NO vacant lots for sale in or near West Yellowstone, where the average price of an existing property is $260,000 -- this is higher than for Bozeman. This is up around 30% in 1 1/2 years. Earlier this season there were people who expressed interst in the local real estate scene. Well, prices are climbing rather fast, apparently. So... Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050820/746b4bad/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Sun Aug 21 12:27:27 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:27:27 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report August 21 Message-ID: <25.65f6e829.303a2f9f@aol.com> I've only been into the Park as a gazer for some brief time yesterday and this morning, so I don't have a lot of personal observations. But I did download from the logbook. GRAND from Friday, 8/19 to this morning 8/21: 7h 38m (G2C), 6h 31m (G4Q -- yes, 4 bursts), missing time giving a double interval of 17h 35m ending with a T3C, 6h 31m, 9h 55m, and 6h 59m. CASTLE yesterday and today: 0625 minor, 1623 major [minor interval 9h 58m], 0622 minor (interval 13h 59m), 0939ns major [minor interval 3h 17m]. BEEHIVE might have gone back to long intervals. From 1734 (Indicator 9 minutes) on August 18, it was not seen at all on the 19th and then erupted at 0650 on the 20th. That gives an interval of 37h 16m, and that might be a single interval. From yesterday to today at 0852 (Little Squirt ie), it seems very certain that this was a single interval of 26h 02m (Indicator 12 minutes). Other basic info: I was up at Daisy for an eruption yesterday. My guess was that the eruption was not more than 40, possibly 50 feet high. Another gazer's guess was 60 feet "maybe." There was no wind. The eruption seemed to consist much more of bursting than of jetting. Before the eruption there was very heavy overflow from Brilliant Pool... whatever that might mean. Giant apparently had a 10-minute hot period with a wide 4-foot Mastiff yesterday. But Grotto was in marathon this morning. No Fan and Mortar at 13-plus days. The last Plumes remain those of August 15. Silex has not had another eruptive episode since that of last Thursday-Friday, August 18-19. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050821/d9994c8d/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Mon Aug 22 20:26:31 2005 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:26:31 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report August 21 In-Reply-To: <25.65f6e829.303a2f9f@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c5a792$7ba9b330$50cae304@MikeKeller> Scott, These heavy overflows from Brilliant have been happening for a few years now. They come every 4-16 minutes and at times put water down runoff channels beneath the trail on both sides of Daisy. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:27 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report August 21 I've only been into the Park as a gazer for some brief time yesterday and this morning, so I don't have a lot of personal observations. But I did download from the logbook. GRAND from Friday, 8/19 to this morning 8/21: 7h 38m (G2C), 6h 31m (G4Q -- yes, 4 bursts), missing time giving a double interval of 17h 35m ending with a T3C, 6h 31m, 9h 55m, and 6h 59m. CASTLE yesterday and today: 0625 minor, 1623 major [minor interval 9h 58m], 0622 minor (interval 13h 59m), 0939ns major [minor interval 3h 17m]. BEEHIVE might have gone back to long intervals. From 1734 (Indicator 9 minutes) on August 18, it was not seen at all on the 19th and then erupted at 0650 on the 20th. That gives an interval of 37h 16m, and that might be a single interval. From yesterday to today at 0852 (Little Squirt ie), it seems very certain that this was a single interval of 26h 02m (Indicator 12 minutes). Other basic info: I was up at Daisy for an eruption yesterday. My guess was that the eruption was not more than 40, possibly 50 feet high. Another gazer's guess was 60 feet "maybe." There was no wind. The eruption seemed to consist much more of bursting than of jetting. Before the eruption there was very heavy overflow from Brilliant Pool... whatever that might mean. Giant apparently had a 10-minute hot period with a wide 4-foot Mastiff yesterday. But Grotto was in marathon this morning. No Fan and Mortar at 13-plus days. The last Plumes remain those of August 15. Silex has not had another eruptive episode since that of last Thursday-Friday, August 18-19. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050822/494eaf1c/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Wed Aug 24 05:43:36 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:43:36 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report August 21 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/23/2005 6:05:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com writes: These heavy overflows from Brilliant have been happening for a few years now. They come every 4-16 minutes and at times put water down runoff channels beneath the trail on both sides of Daisy. Mike and all, Please -- understand that I _have_ been around, this year and in the past (and that my comment about limited time in the basin was in reference to recently having little info to pass along). So, I most definitely have seen the intermittent overflows (and sometimes fairly significant bubbling) by Brilliant Pool, as has been happening in the past. I would not have mentioned this occasion if it hadn't struck me as exceptional -- water was pouring over all visible parts of the rim (as seen from the south side trail, of course). This was a minute or two before that eruption of Daisy, the eruption that I still will swear reached no higher than 40 feet (and which impressed other gazers as weak). Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050824/a5a800b9/attachment.html> From Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov Wed Aug 24 13:34:12 2005 From: Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov (Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:34:12 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Man in Berlin wants answers from gazers about the Old Faithful prediction formula Message-ID: To: anyone interested in answering Actually I?m writing an essay an need some more informations. It would be great, if you could answer me. Is the formula for predicting Old Faithful open to the public or is it kept as a secret? How exactly does the formula work? Why did Mr. Fix develop the formula? Only for the tourists or for other reasons? How long did Mr. Fix observe the Old Faithful? How did he develop the formula? Do you have any document about this subject, that you could send me as an Email attachement? Or a link to an internet site? I?m living in Berlin and can?t get the book "INVENTORY OF THERMAL FEATURES OF THE FIREHOLE GEYSER BASINS" from Mr. Marler. Thats why I need this informations. Thank you very much for your support. Have a nice day, Juri Tetzlaff Juri Tetzlaff Hasenheide 48 10967 Berlin Tel: 030 - 81 49 25 25 Fax: 040 - 3603000003 Mobil: 0171 - 19 19 006 Email: tjuri at aol.com From mbschwar at hotmail.com Wed Aug 24 14:23:15 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:23:15 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Beehive 23 and 24 August 2005 Message-ID: Beehive erupted at 1441 on 23 August (ind. at 1427) and 0749 on 24 August (ind 0740 ie). Allan Friedman called events at Fan & Mortar 24 August. When he arrived, Bottom Vent was ie at 0820 and erupted at 0822 and 0823. River Vent was on at 0824 with Bottom Vent eruptions off and on through 0831. 0831 RV off and Bottom Vent continued off and on. 0834 River Vent on and 0835 and 0836 Bottom Vents. At 0843 River Vent turned off with Bottom Vent continuously erupting. River Vent on at 0846 and 0847 Angle and Gold. Water levels dropped at 0908 and did not recover. 23 August there was an eruption of Rift at 1552 with a duration of 7m after the Grand at 1531(T2Q). Mary Beth From upperbasin at comcast.net Wed Aug 24 20:50:44 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:50:44 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> In October our 2-year (almost typed 20-year, but it just seems that long) contract with Verizon is up. Although Verizon does work at Old Faithful it's a bloody pain - it is Analog, which sucks batteries dry in a day, it is roaming, unless you change to some bizarre plan in which the only place you can use the phone without horrific charges are a few western states (NOT Montana) and ... well, I also don't like their commercials. So I ask all the gazers - what cell service do you use; does it work at OF and elsewhere in YNP, is it roaming or normal, is it digital, etc. Actually I think a lot of gazers might be interested. BTW, is their digital at ALL at Old Faithful? I'd love to send a picture of something i.e. in real time to certain people. Paul Strasser From Joeerg at aol.com Wed Aug 24 23:55:12 2005 From: Joeerg at aol.com (Joeerg at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:55:12 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Man in Berlin wants answers from gazers about the Old Faithful ... Message-ID: <1a0.3a9c20bc.303ec550@aol.com> I too would like this informations, in addition to reference for Mr. Fix book. Debby Stahl In a message dated 8/24/2005 7:18:36 PM Central Daylight Time, Lee_Whittlesey at nps.gov writes: > To: anyone interested in answering > > Actually I?m writing an essay an need some more informations. It would be > great, if you could answer me. > > Is the formula for predicting Old Faithful open to the public or is it kept > as a secret? > How exactly does the formula work? > Why did Mr. Fix develop the formula? Only for the tourists or for other > reasons? > How long did Mr. Fix observe the Old Faithful? How did he develop the > formula? > Do you have any document about this subject, that you could send me as an > Email attachement? Or a link to an internet site? > > I?m living in Berlin and can?t get the book "INVENTORY OF THERMAL FEATURES > OF THE FIREHOLE GEYSER BASINS" from Mr. Marler. Thats why I need this > informations. > > Thank you very much for your support. > > Have a nice day, > > Juri Tetzlaff > > > Juri Tetzlaff > Hasenheide 48 > 10967 Berlin > > Tel: 030 - 81 49 25 25 > Fax: 040 - 3603000003 > Mobil: 0171 - 19 19 006 > Email: tjuri at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050825/be8a9a5c/attachment.html> From mbschwar at hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:35:57 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:35:57 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report 25 August 2005 Message-ID: This morning (25 August) there were two sets of events at Fan & Mortar, but no eruption. They were heard over the radio in progress at about 0801 and 1111. Beehive's Indicator was 1038ie and Beehive at 1050. Grand erupted at 1209(T2C) for an interval of about 9h49m. The Penta marker was washed overnight 8/24-8/25. Mary Beth From ksleany at cox.net Thu Aug 25 17:26:32 2005 From: ksleany at cox.net (Kevin & Sherri Leany) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:26:32 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question References: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c5a9d4$cf829690$6400a8c0@KevinSherri> Although I was unable to make the park this year I did have two cell phones last year. I had my State of Nevada Verizon phone and did have problems with incoming calls most of the time. I would usually have to place a call back to the person who called and the return call seemed to work fine for the most part. My wife had a Tracfone (pay as you go plan). This is a fine phone for someone who does not use the cell phone a great deal or for teenagers who cannot sign a contract (my daughter has one now). I was very impressed with the reception of the Tracfone. Unlike my Verizon, it had reception almost all the way to and in the park with the exception of some of the loop road between West and Old Faithful and a little bit in Montana. (The Verizon has many spots that I cannot get reception in the area within 10 miles of Las Vegas. My wife had car problems near Glendale Nevada and both Tracfones worked - the Verizon her freind had did not have service.) I do not recall if the Tracfone was in digital or analog mode at the park, but I must admit, I was impressed with it. I may also note that NDOT also uses AT&T and the people who have those say the Verizon works in more areas. Kevin Leany ksleany at cox.net From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Aug 25 18:46:56 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:46:56 EDT Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question Message-ID: <1a6.3dba411c.303fce90@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2005 6:07:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, upperbasin at comcast.net writes: So I ask all the gazers - what cell service do you use; does it work at OF and elsewhere in YNP, is it roaming or normal, is it digital, etc. No doubt Kendall Madsen will reply himself, but in case not -- I'm pretty sure he has AT&T (does that still exist as a separate company ? ) digital at Old Faithful.... Beyond that -- I/we did without cell service forever (literally) until a very short time ago. I find that I can get along without it now, just fine, thank you. And frankly, I wish everybody else in the geyser basin would get along without, too. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050825/4f9cb550/attachment.html> From geysirs at comcast.net Thu Aug 25 20:42:37 2005 From: geysirs at comcast.net (Steve Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:42:37 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question In-Reply-To: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> References: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050825202653.02604008@mail.comcast.net> I recently changed wireless service from Verizon to Cingular. I've used my new service and phone on July & August trips. I used the my phone (Motorola Razr V3) at Old Faithful and West Thumb. It was not roaming in either of these places. As for other places in Yellowstone I do not know if it is roaming or not. When looking for a new phone, you need to get one that is GPRS (General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) enabled networks offer 'always-on', higher capacity, Internet-based content and packet-based data services. This enables services such as colour Internet browsing, e-mail on the move, powerful visual communications, multimedia messages and location-based services.) On the July trip I made about 1 1/2 hours worth of calls and had my phone on continuously from Sunday morning to Thursday evening before I had to recharge it. I wanted to know how long it would last on 1 charge. I hope that this answered your questions. Steve At 08:50 PM 8/24/2005, you wrote: >In October our 2-year (almost typed 20-year, but it just seems that long) >contract with Verizon is up. Although Verizon does work at Old Faithful >it's a bloody pain - it is Analog, which sucks batteries dry in a day, it is >roaming, unless you change to some bizarre plan in which the only place you >can use the phone without horrific charges are a few western states (NOT >Montana) and ... well, I also don't like their commercials. > >So I ask all the gazers - what cell service do you use; does it work at OF >and elsewhere in YNP, is it roaming or normal, is it digital, etc. > >Actually I think a lot of gazers might be interested. BTW, is their digital >at ALL at Old Faithful? I'd love to send a picture of something i.e. in >real time to certain people. > >Paul Strasser > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > >-- incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267 - Release Date: 8/25/2005 From janet.johns5 at verizon.net Fri Aug 26 03:33:55 2005 From: janet.johns5 at verizon.net (Jan and Lew) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question References: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <001001c5aa29$aa3099a0$2f01a8c0@toshibauser> Dear Paul, I know more than I care to know about the cell towers and cell phone service. And the answer is---THERE IS NO ANSWER! Up to last summer--haven't checked lately--Union Telephone Company (based in the Tetons) owned the digital tower at OF. The contracts they sign with various companies are lies. Yes, Verizon had a contract with this company, but because of the contract, the analog tower is ALWAYS choosen. I spent at least three hours one hot day--three years ago-- with Union tech people proving that very fact. OK, so you can get just digital if you have a digital only phone--most of the good plans require a dual phone--regardless of which phone company plan you purchase. If you have a duel phone at OF, you always get the analog tower. Last year when Lew was sick we bought a phone at Walmart which was digital only, owned by Alltel, and worked great in Yellowstone. Doesn't work this year though. Seems Alltel didn't sign a new contract with Union. My point is that even if you FINALLY get something that works, it doesn't work for long because the contracts with Union change all the time--at least every six months--this is what the tech people at Union told me. This year we opted for a tracfone (very expensive) because: 1. it is digital only 2. they have a contract with union. 3. they require no contract from us. Lew is at the park right now (buying land for us in Idaho---YEH) It works great. It is expensive minute-wise. But for this trip we decided we wanted assured contact rather than cost. Oh yes, you could get a contract from Union, but it only covers the Tetons and OF and you go roaming in West Yellowstone..... Janet Johns From zerotheproducers at hotmail.com Fri Aug 26 09:32:53 2005 From: zerotheproducers at hotmail.com (Barry Leedy) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:32:53 -0400 Subject: re. [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question Message-ID: My contract is with Alltel with nationwide calling so I don't have extra charges while at Old Faithful. The service is terrible! Most of my incoming calls are directed to my voice mail even though my phone is on. And finally, my phone is in analog mode and gets quite hot during calls. Barry From cross at bmi.net Sat Aug 27 18:19:27 2005 From: cross at bmi.net (Carlton Cross) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENTS Message-ID: <20050828011950.36092C18026@zapp.wwc.edu> Comment 1: In what follows, one of the subject lines says "SPAM", but it should not be there. I didn't do it, and, unfortunately, I can't undo it. It's a curse from the computer gods. Comment 2: Every so often, we get messages from someone who can't contact the list. Because of the heavy spam load, we have set the list server to accept messages from valid list addresses only. I'm not sure what the rejection message says, but at least one or two people were offended by it. If you have received such a message, I'd like to see what it says. I've never been able to find where the message originates. If I can figure out where it comes from, I'll change the stupid thing. So, if your address changes, your email will be rejected unless you subscribe with the new address. It's not what we'd choose--just the lesser of two evils. Remember that you can subscribe, unsubscribe and change your profile via the Web at http://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers You can recover your password by following the "Unsubscribe or Edit Options" link at the bottom of the page. Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator From upperbasin at comcast.net Fri Aug 26 17:58:21 2005 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:58:21 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question In-Reply-To: <1a6.3dba411c.303fce90@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050827005806.147CE5074C@halo.wwc.edu> Scott wrote: <<<< Beyond that -- I/we did without cell service forever (literally) until a very short time ago. I find that I can get along without it now, just fine, thank you. And frankly, I wish everybody else in the geyser basin would get along without, too. >>>> Scott - Would that we could too. But sometimes the only way we can get to Yellowstone is if we are in contact with work to answer questions ASAP. Not later in the evening. Right then. So cell phone possession or staying home.. Hmmm. Most of the time we don't need it, of course. I'll try and use it (when necessary) away from you. :) (Besides - Denver is just too far for a couple of tin cans and a string - it keeps getting snagged on high tension wires near Rawlins.) Paul Strasser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050826/7a9c29c8/attachment.html> From Anglgrlsnt at aol.com Fri Aug 26 18:18:37 2005 From: Anglgrlsnt at aol.com (Anglgrlsnt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:18:37 EDT Subject: *SPAM?* Re: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question Message-ID: <157.57955409.3041196d@aol.com> Stacey and I have had no problem with our verizon service in the old faithful area this year nor any of the recent years. Rich and Stacey - sorry Deb's not getting a phone soon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050826/c94984b5/attachment.html> From rflieb at yahoo.com Sat Aug 27 08:03:04 2005 From: rflieb at yahoo.com (Robert Lieb) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:03:04 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question In-Reply-To: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: Paul, I have T-Mobile service with an internet plan which I have used to browse and send/receive email at OF. It is a national plan so there is no roaming. It also works great in West Yellowstone and has usable signal strength at Grant Village. Bob -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Strasser Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:51 PM To: 'geyser observation reports' Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question In October our 2-year (almost typed 20-year, but it just seems that long) contract with Verizon is up. Although Verizon does work at Old Faithful it's a bloody pain - it is Analog, which sucks batteries dry in a day, it is roaming, unless you change to some bizarre plan in which the only place you can use the phone without horrific charges are a few western states (NOT Montana) and ... well, I also don't like their commercials. So I ask all the gazers - what cell service do you use; does it work at OF and elsewhere in YNP, is it roaming or normal, is it digital, etc. Actually I think a lot of gazers might be interested. BTW, is their digital at ALL at Old Faithful? I'd love to send a picture of something i.e. in real time to certain people. Paul Strasser _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers From crellison at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 11:47:10 2005 From: crellison at gmail.com (Chase Ellison) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] cell phone/old Faithful functionality question In-Reply-To: <001001c5aa29$aa3099a0$2f01a8c0@toshibauser> References: <20050825035046.DCA588AB26@halo.wwc.edu> <001001c5aa29$aa3099a0$2f01a8c0@toshibauser> Message-ID: I have been working in the park this summer and have a Verizon phone. I have found that most older Verizon phones do not work however, I recently purchased a new phone with verison on the "americans plan" (or whatever) I now have 5 bars of Digital at Grant, Old Faithful, and Mammoth. I recieve 3 bars of analog at Canyon, and 1 bar of analog at Norris. I do not however recieve service at lake. Also, old plans (more than 2 years old) seem to not work in the park. But Like I said I do have 5 Bars of digital in Old Faithful with Verizon. So whatever that may mean. Also, Many people also get very good service with Cingular I know at Grant and Old Faithful most people that i have seen have full digital as well. Also, it may be in your intrest to take your phone to a verizon store and have them update your ERI code that seemed to work on my old phone so I could get service up here. Chase Ellison On 8/26/05, Jan and Lew wrote: > Dear Paul, > > I know more than I care to know about the cell towers and cell phone > service. And the answer is---THERE IS NO ANSWER! Up to last > summer--haven't checked lately--Union Telephone Company (based in the > Tetons) owned the digital tower at OF. The contracts they sign with various > companies are lies. Yes, Verizon had a contract with this company, but > because of the contract, the analog tower is ALWAYS choosen. I spent at > least three hours one hot day--three years ago-- with Union tech people > proving that very fact. OK, so you can get just digital if you have a > digital only phone--most of the good plans require a dual phone--regardless > of which phone company plan you purchase. If you have a duel phone at OF, > you always get the analog tower. > > Last year when Lew was sick we bought a phone at Walmart which was digital > only, owned by Alltel, and worked great in Yellowstone. Doesn't work this > year though. Seems Alltel didn't sign a new contract with Union. My point > is that even if you FINALLY get something that works, it doesn't work for > long because the contracts with Union change all the time--at least every > six months--this is what the tech people at Union told me. > > This year we opted for a tracfone (very expensive) because: > 1. it is digital only > 2. they have a contract with union. > 3. they require no contract from us. > > Lew is at the park right now (buying land for us in Idaho---YEH) It works > great. It is expensive minute-wise. But for this trip we decided we > wanted assured contact rather than cost. > > Oh yes, you could get a contract from Union, but it only covers the Tetons > and OF and you go roaming in West Yellowstone..... > > > Janet Johns > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > From TSBryan at aol.com Sat Aug 27 18:23:41 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:23:41 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report Saturday August 27 Message-ID: <62.5bc80b6e.30426c1d@aol.com> Not really a whole lot to say here. Saw lots of geysers today, but little of note. I will say that Fan and Mortar, now (as of early afternoon) well over 19 days without erupting, just can't seem to maintain water levels. This morning there was an event cycle in which River Vent was off for something longer than 1h 22m (off when first seen) during which there was frequent and sometimes large Main Vent splashing and an essentially continuous Bottom Vent eruption. But within about 3 minutes of Gold, High and Angle coming on, water levels obviously dropped. Riverside had an overflow of at least 2h 07m before it finally erupted. Daisy had an interval of 3h 06m, with wind about as zero as possible. Over the last 2 1/2 days, Grand had intervals of 9h 49m, 8h 34m, 6h 43m, 7h 13m, 6h 43m, 8h 52m, and 7h 40m. Not exactly consistent, eh? The last three observed Beehive eruptions imply intervals of 24h 30m and 22h 47m. Today's Indicator might have been real short, as it was only seen 3 minutes before Beehive. Yesterday Old Faithful enjoyed an interval of 114 minutes. Mugwump had the largest eruptions I've ever seen. The intervals were 12 1/2 to 13 minutes, durations only seconds but the height of two of the eruptions was easily 20 feet... Also active are Three Crater Geyser (durations up to a minute or so but the height not greater than 3 or 4 feet) and the vent (my MYR-1) at the front edge of North Sister (two intervals of about 10 minutes, height maybe 5 feet). Underhill had durations of about 6 minutes, 7m 55s, and 10m 56s, start to start intervals being about 6 minutes, 5m 03s, and 12m 22s. Great Fountain at 1551 (OV = 82m, P = 0) had a lot of really fine bursts. Prettiest eruption of it I've seen in a long time. 'Tis all today. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No Giant; today's hot periods there were one or two weak ones as "post marathon," then a 10 minute job at 1203 that never saw Mastiff higher than about 3 feet. Another day of essentially no wind, Daisy nonetheless had an interval of 3h 16m. And I saw a Narcissus major after waiting maybe 3 minutes. Comment #1 -- The morning temperatures have been well below freezing for 4 or 5 days in a row = no bugs to speak of. Comment #2 -- can we all pray for New Orleans? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050828/1c19149d/attachment.html> From ralpht at iglou.com Sun Aug 28 20:38:24 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:38:24 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser statistics updated (27 Aug 05) Message-ID: I have updated the geyser statistics on the GOSA website with the data from downloads on Saturday 27 August.. The link to the data is HYPERLINK "http://www.geyserstudy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm"http://www.geyserstu dy.org/electronic_summary_2005.htm As always, any comments, questions, or errors noted are welcome. Ralph -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050828/727fd58a/attachment.html> From mbschwar at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 15:25:21 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:25:21 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] GIANT 29 August at 1100!! Message-ID: Herbert Simons and Debbie Sjodiin were calling the Giant hot period with Feather at 1049. India was almost covered except for Calcutta at 1053. Cave was about 1 foot at 1054. Mastiff dropped at 1057 and Post Hole was splashing, but Feather was still on. At 1058 Feather was still ie and Giant had water splashing heavily out the front and then it went to a vertical surge. Giant started at 1100 29 August 2005, another Normal Function eruption. The duration was 1h45m (Herb Simons). The weather was warm and sunny and perfect for geyser gazing. Fan & Mortar were in a nice event cycle during the Giant hot period around 1022 to after the start of Giant so the radio was busy. 28 August Beehive was at 0611, and a Lower General Store employee was awakened by Beehive about 0245 this morning (August 29). Mary Beth From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Aug 29 16:21:17 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:21:17 EDT Subject: [Geysers] GIANT eruption Message-ID: <9f.662eb589.3044f26d@aol.com> GIANT today, August 29, at 1100 exactly. No doubt this has already been reported to the list, but in cqase not. I was on a tour, actually in the Inn parking lot facing down basin telling my people about the layout of the area. I had just mentioned that Castle and Grand had both erupted earlier so we wouldn't see either of them. And then, as I was about to drive up toward the front of the Inn, I saw simultaneously with Herb Simon's call, the start of Giant -- with my 7 passengers who had never been to Yellowstone before. (Turns out that two of them did go down there.) I have few details but apparently the hot period leading to the earuption was not teribly impressive. Mastiff dropped beforehand. Cave was evidently never more than 1 foot high and, if I understood, Feather was on but not Feather Satellite (?). Cool. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mary Beth From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Aug 29 18:31:40 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:31:40 EDT Subject: [Geysers] More Giant Message-ID: Just want to say that from my vantage point in the lower Inn parking lot, the start of Giant (a minute or so into it) seemed fully as big as any Grand I've seen from there. So I'll be interested in any opinions as to how high this eruption was...; Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050829/990afb55/attachment.html> From barger at tritel.net Mon Aug 29 22:56:14 2005 From: barger at tritel.net (barger) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:56:14 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Weekend Yellowstone visit (8/26 to 28/05) Kitt Message-ID: <005901c5ad27$895ab480$8ea5a6d8@YOUR7648F3E7A0> Yellowstone called me once again and I answered that call. I arrived at ~1645 on Friday, the 26th. Most of the geysers that I saw were seen from a distance. 1716 Daisy 1722 Grand (G2Q) I headed for Oblong, hoping that it would be kind. The Log had a 1355ie for the last Oblong. Grotto quit at 1818 and I had made a mental note to keep an eye out for Feather, since the GIP was up. Karen W. and Karen B. and I were watching Oblong cycle up and down when I glanced toward Giant. Oops! So much for a mental note. Giant Hot Period at 1909 in eruption. Feather, Feather's Satelite, S. W. V.'s, and Rust. People sitting at Giant said the little geysers had been going for about 5 minutes. Cave made a maximum height of 1 foot and Mastiff varied from flat to 5 feet and started getting wider during the last couple of minutes. Feather quit at 1917 for an approx. duration of 10 to 12 minutes. We returned to Oblong. As the sun was rapidly disappearing Daisy erupted at 2006 and finally Oblong at 2016 (duration 7 minutes). Karen B. and I planned a quick check on F and M only to see Main Vent splash at 2037 with River on and Gold and Hi joined in at 2041. We lost water levels at 2046 as well as our light. Thus ended day one. Day 2 was better. Castle at 0716 ns (oops-my usual Castle tries to minor as I pedal away quickly). It restarted at 0737 per Ralph who was downloading on the Hill. I headed for F & M (since I really wanted a closed interval) and found Main Vent Splashing with River off. From 0733 to 0853 (when River starts) Bottom Vent erupts pretty much constantly. Oblong at 0741 ie (steam cloud) and 0821 ns Daisy. Gold, Hi, and Angle join Bottom Vent and water levels disappear around the 6 minute mark. I headed back to wait for Grand since we don't know the overnight and passed Grotto which was definitely in a Marathon. After one Turban the V.C. radioes Grand 0214 E. The next Turban- Grand 0954 (T1Q per Mary Beth). Beehive indicator is called at 1003 ie. Sorry Grand, but I hurry away to catch a Beehive. As I head toward Lion, I see a large column grow. Beehive 1007. We hurry on to catch the last 2-3 minutes of Beehive. I return and visit with Mary Beth. Daisy at 1127. We head back in only to hear Karen W. call splashing in Main at 1205. More of the same and no eruption. I miss the next Oblong and later that day while I waited for another Grand, Oblong 1725 (duration 7 minutes). Grand erupted at 1836 (T2Q) that was beautiful. At 1912 more splashing in Main. River, Gold, and Hion at ~1919, but no Bottom Vent. Also no Fan and Mortar. Daisy at 1930 and Castle minors by 2019. I still want to see more. I decide to drive to Fountain to see if I can get the next one. Two eruptions had been seen earlier in the day. Fountain 2148ns as I round the corner. The sinter around Fountain was just starting to get wet. I tried lighting it with my flashlight and watching it in the dark (but no moon). It ended at 2217. I had just started off the hill when I noticed a steam cloud and heard a roaring. Aargh! Silex! I started to run with my flashlight trying to cut through the steam caused by the hot water running under the boardwalk. Silex 2220 ie I noticed that the wide area of the landing in front of Silex was soaked all the way across the boardwalk and down to the sign that says (Don't throw objects in geysers). I stood at the edge of the wet boardwalk and at one point Silex surprised me with a shower of water slightly cooler than coffee. My down coat was soaked. Silex quit at 2224. After a 1 minute pause it had a very loud 3 minute complete drain. I could hear the water disappearing through the plumbing as it hissed. It had minor fill eruptions at 2244, 2248, 2251, 2257, and 2302. As the water neared the inner upper circle, Silex erupted again for 6 minutes. This was a large eruption and when it finished it drained down to a quarter full and then I was shocked to hear 5 thumps reverberate the boardwalk. During the first two, I was scanning the boardwalks for a bison or other large critter. I watched it slowly and gently refill without the wild minors and decided to leave at 2335. Aug. 28th was my last day and I planned to take advantage of it all. I was headed for the parking lot when I thought I saw Beehive's Indicator. I hurried to get my bike and when I got closer I confirmed that it was Beehive's Ind. at 0606 ie. Beehive erupted without the sun or a breeze at 0611. I headed down to F and M and saw Artemisia's steamcloud at 0704 ie and Daisy's steamcloud over my shoulder at 0712 ns (since I had just left it the minute before. Bottom Vent was damp, but still no F and M. I returned to Grand via Oblong which was cycling up. The boardwalk was frosty the whole way and icy near Grand from the 0123 E Grand. Penta in steamphase at 0744 ie. Turban was ie as I passed heading for Penta. At 0804, I called Julie and told her Grand's pool was full and Turban was due. Grand 0805 (G1 C) The boardwalks are finally thawed, so I return to get an Oblong. There was a Giant Hot Period at 0830 with a duration of approximately 4 minutes called by Herb. At 1203 we had another Giant Hot Period with a duration of ~10 minutes with Turtle to a foot. I went in briefly at 1330 and then returned to Grand. Grand at 1456 (T1C) with Oblong starting just after Grand quit at 1510. I made it to Chromatic for the last 4 minutes. We then joined Lynn (back from Bozeman with ice cream and carrot cake) and had a wonderful snack. I headed for home after Castle was called at 1624. The verdict was still out on whether the East Entrance would be open Friday night (for Labor Day Weekend) as I left the Park. Well I'm off to bed, so hopefully I'll see many of you in the Park this weekend. Kitt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050829/6e408de7/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Aug 30 16:00:15 2005 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:00:15 EDT Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report August 30 Message-ID: <212.8081539.30463eff@aol.com> Well, not much here. I can hardly remember a day (9 hours today) when I saw so little. I see that my notebook contains just nine entries -- and two of those are VC electronic times and another is a radio call about Narcissus. Oh, well. I can report that intervals at Mugwump have increased dramatically over the past two days. On Sunday, they were consistent at about 13 minutes. Today I timed two, 24 and 26 minutes. Doug Holstein reported that at about 1100 he saw Green Spring (at Black Sand) down fully 1 foot, but no indication of an eruption. At 1300, I concur -- the water level was at least 1 foot down but all surroundings and the runoff channel were bone dry. As of about 0900, there was no evidence of recovery at Giant. And Grotto evidently had a post-Giant marathon. Aside note: the bison are back, and today there was a horrible traffic jam in Firehole Canyon. Took me 30 minutes to get through it on the way home. Another aside note: Yesterday's high temperature in West Y was officially 84. Today, at 1600 the thermometer on my back patio said 45. Yes. While sitting at Pink Cone, for a brief minute or two the icy rain did contain white things. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20050830/32b0d5fd/attachment.html> From w8tah at zoominternet.net Wed Aug 31 05:52:04 2005 From: w8tah at zoominternet.net (Tim Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report August 30 In-Reply-To: <212.8081539.30463eff@aol.com> References: <212.8081539.30463eff@aol.com> Message-ID: <4315A7F4.5050306@zoominternet.net> TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Well, not much here. I can hardly remember a day (9 hours today) when > I saw so little. I see that my notebook contains just nine entries -- > and two of those are VC electronic times and another is a radio call > about Narcissus. Oh, well. > > I can report that intervals at Mugwump have increased dramatically > over the past two days. On Sunday, they were consistent at about 13 > minutes. Today I timed two, 24 and 26 minutes. > > Doug Holstein reported that at about 1100 he saw Green Spring (at > Black Sand) down fully 1 foot, but no indication of an eruption. At > 1300, I concur -- the water level was at least 1 foot down but all > surroundings and the runoff channel were bone dry. > > As of about 0900, there was no evidence of recovery at Giant. And > Grotto evidently had a post-Giant marathon. > > Aside note: the bison are back, and today there was a horrible traffic > jam in Firehole Canyon. Took me 30 minutes to get through it on the > way home. > > Another aside note: Yesterday's high temperature in West Y was > officially 84. Today, at 1600 the thermometer on my back patio said > 45. Yes. While sitting at Pink Cone, for a brief minute or two the icy > rain did contain white things. > > Scott Bryan > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > Scott: You have no idea how jealous i am of you -- Id love to be sitting in a bison jam in yellowstone -- LOL -- have an awesome day and thanks for keeping us all in touch TIM From seide1 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 31 10:55:45 2005 From: seide1 at mindspring.com (Stephen J. Eide) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:55:45 -0000 Subject: [Geysers] misc geysers Message-ID: <42EF09ED.FCB80B30@mindspring.com> Hello all, I was in the park August 5 to 13 and again 24 to 27. All the major geysers have already been reported, so I'll just mention a few minor things. Oval pool continues to have little eruptions, the near right vent erupts 1-2 feet when the system is in a low drain and the far vent will occasionally cause the pool to fill (usually starting at about half full) and then have a minute or so of 1-3 foot eruptions followed by a foot or two drop in the pool when the eruption stops. On 8-6-05 I saw Jelly have a period of boiling and overflow as I arrived out at the Fountain system. Spasm was not in overflow and from what I learned later this was about an hour to an hour and a quarter after Fountain erupted. The boiling was about six inches to maybe a foot and a half, not splashing so I didn't think it could be called an eruption. It did have good overflow during the boiling. This is the strongest activity I've seen in Jelly for years. A visitor said Jelly had been doing the same thing for a few minutes prior to my arrival. We walked out to Imperial and Spray. Spray was having intervals of about 2 minutes with durations of about one minute, heights of about 15 feet. Imperial was much more erratic, but in general had intervals of about one minute, durations of about 45 seconds. The average height was about thirty feet, but it would throw occasional drops to fifty feet or so. The berrys at Fairy Falls were ripe about two weeks ago. There is a falcon and a hawk nesting in the clift to the left (east) of Fairy Falls, if you wait you can see them flying in and out. Super Frying Pan (Sizzler) is now having the majority of its eruption from the crack in the back of the hole so the eruption has changed. It now reaches heights of ten feet, sometimes fifteen on the upper drops during the high point of the eruption. What used to be the main vent now has only weak boiling and splashing. It has some force, and may push the rocks in front of the crack out sometime. On 8-25 I noticed that Silex was cloudy and the near runoff channel by the boardwalk was washed clean but still wet so I reported the possibility of an eruption to the VC (Scott already reported this a few days ago). As Scott reported, his markers were gone when he checked later so it is possible it did erupt on 8-24 or 8-25 prior to the eruption seen by Kitt. I also noticed the surging behavior in Silex that Scott noted some weeks ago. Silex would drop to a point of having almost no overflow, then would rise up with strong boiling and have significant overflow for a few minutes, then slowly cycle back. I didn't time it, but my impression was that the whole cycle took 5-15 minutes. I did not see any water flow into the closest run off channel, but it almost did one time. Celestine was also boiling strongly during this time frame, even though it still had inflow of the runoff from Silex. Stephen Eide From mbschwar at hotmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:40:34 2005 From: mbschwar at hotmail.com (MaryBeth Schwarz) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:40:34 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] 31 August 2005 Geyser Report Message-ID: KC & Julie reported a Giant hot period 31 August at 0847ie (d> or = to 2.5m) with Feather, Feather Satellite, and SW Vents. Grotto was at 0816 and 1405ns. Beehive 30 August was at 1319 (ind 1304) and 31 August at 1326 (ind 1315). Grand was 0443 electronic and 1343(G2C). The perfect weather made Beehive and Grand stunning and sparkly. Mary Beth From jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU Wed Aug 31 17:22:44 2005 From: jacross at lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Cross) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Geysers] Giant refill time Message-ID: How long is Giant taking to refill? Is the refill rate consistent or does it vary? Jeff Cross jacross at lamar.colostate.edu From lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com Wed Aug 31 18:37:21 2005 From: lstephens.eagle at mail.sisna.com (lynn stephens) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:37:21 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] John R. Railey -- Request for help (Stephens) Message-ID: <200508311937.AA208994570@mail.sisna.com> Thank you to Tom and Genean Dunn for all the work in putting together the Sput. I received the Sput yesterday and noticed that the caption under the "Warnock" picture incorrectly referenced the "John R. Railey" bench. John was a Volunteer in Park for many years and always labeled his reports and signed them "John R. Railey." Because his last season was 1988, many of today's gazers may not know much, if anything, about John. Today I was doing some research in the file cabinets here at Old Faithful and located some reports written by John. I'll be using some of his burst and interval data for comparison purposes in a short article about some of Grand Geyser's eruption characteristics this summer. I also found a report by him labeled "Special Reporton Grand Geyser's Delayed Eruption Observed on May 26, 1978...". This report illustrates his dedication to Grand. This dedication resulted in attachment of his name to the wooden bench at Grand. (As late as 1977 that was the ONLY bench at Grand!) Instead of just asking the editors to printa spelling correction in the October Sput, I'm putting together a "Tribute to John R. Railey, Volunteer in Park". I want to include personal recollections of John as well as reproducing his special report. I would like to include personal recollections from any/all of you who knew John. Please email them to me (lstephens.eagle at sisna.com) by September 13. (Sorry for the short deadline, but I need a couple days to organize them and meet the September 15 Sput deadline.) Thanks in advance for your help with this project. _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ From ralpht at iglou.com Wed Aug 31 21:04:16 2005 From: ralpht at iglou.com (Ralph Taylor) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:04:16 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] misc geysers In-Reply-To: <42EF09ED.FCB80B30@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Stephen Eide wrote: Hello all, ... On 8-25 I noticed that Silex was cloudy and the near runoff channel by the boardwalk was washed clean but still wet so I reported the possibility of an eruption to the VC (Scott already reported this a few days ago). As Scott reported, his markers were gone when he checked later so it is possible it did erupt on 8-24 or 8-25 prior to the eruption seen by Kitt. I also noticed the surging behavior in Silex that Scott noted some weeks ago. Silex would drop to a point of having almost no overflow, then would rise up with strong boiling and have significant overflow for a few minutes, then slowly cycle back. I didn't time it, but my impression was that the whole cycle took 5-15 minutes. I did not see any water flow into the closest run off channel, but it almost did one time. Celestine was also boiling strongly during this time frame, even though it still had inflow of the runoff from Silex. Stephen Eide The data logger on Silex (which records at six minute intervals) showed eruptions at 21:00 on 24 August and at 22:24 on 27 August. There was no indication follow-up low pool eruptions, but they often do not show up on the temperature recorder since they generate no overflow. The episodes of surging do show up as spikes in the temperature record. Ralph Taylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 8/29/2005