From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 1 10:48:34 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] FW: Giant and others Message-ID: <000501c4d7d6$5d60ba90$b348b041@MikeKeller> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Keller [mailto:KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:55 PM To: 'geyses at wwc.edu' Subject: Giant and others All, I spent a couple of hours in the UGB today: Very cold weather here! It was -21F yesterday morning, but there is little snow right now. Giant erupted at least once between 11/09 and 11/29. The sign for Giant was washed almost into the river. Based upon the hot periods I saw today and lack of any spray/ice patterns in the snow around Giant I would say it has been at least 3 days since Giant erupted. I saw 3 hot periods, two lasting about 2 minutes and the other lasting almost 7 minutes. Mastiff overflowed heavily on the last one but never surged more than a foot. Fan and Mortar erupted at least once between 11/09 and 11/29. Based upon ice and spray patterns in the snow I believe they erupted sometime on 11/28. Today "Bottom Vent" was very active and Fan was in junk mode. Based upon snow in their runoff channels, Penta and Churn have not erupted in many days. The small vent across the river from Oblong was perpetually active today. Baby Daisy was seen in eruption from the road by folks coming down from Mammoth. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041201/b105a4a8/attachment.html> From dhatfield113 at mchsi.com Wed Dec 1 18:18:49 2004 From: dhatfield113 at mchsi.com (Dan Hatfield) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:18:49 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] Congratulations Message-ID: <001501c4d815$42f2d5a0$f6acdb0c@HATFIELD> Congratulations Lynn on the birth of your new grandson. Best wishes for the holidays. 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URL: <#/attachments/20041204/7d551773/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Sat Dec 4 20:20:27 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report 11/29 through 12/04 Message-ID: <000001c4da81$c13244f0$6c48b041@MikeKeller> Some stuff from the UGB- Plume is dormant. There is snow and ice near the crater implying it has not erupted in some time. Beehive is erupting at least once a day. Lion, Aurum, and Depression are active. Little Anemone is still active. Sawmill continues to dominate the Sawmill Group. Grand is erupting at near 7 hour intervals. All observed eruptions have had one or two bursts. There are new vents breaking out along the hillside once again in the area where "Sputnik" Geyser once was. Right now there are two "wok like" craters which erupt with West Triplet and Rift to a couple of feet. This area started heating up in late summer. Daisy is erupting every 2-3 hours, depending on the wind. There is no evidence Splendid erupted while I was away. I am seeing Oblong once a day, but am sure it is erupting more often. Giant is having good hot periods at least once a day, with many smaller ones in-between. Smaller hot periods (lasting 2-5 minutes) are coming every 1.5 to 4 hours or so and the bigger ones (lasting 7+ minutes) seem to be coming every 15-24 hours. The best surging I have seen from Mastiff has reached about 6 feet, with most surging reaching 1-3 feet. Grotto had a marathon on 12/01 then did something odd. On 12/03 I saw Grotto at 0858ns. At 1310, Spa was seen ie. At 1808, Grotto was still ie. When I went into the basin on the morning of 12/04, Grotto was 0906ie. Spa was empty. Grotto erupted all day on 12/04, with Spa not starting until 1630. When Spa started, it looked like the kind of Spa you get when it starts a 2nd time in a marathon, normally around the 16-19 hour mark. If this is true, then the marathon on 12/04 began around 0000. Even if Grotto stopped right after I left it at 1808 the night before, it shouldn't have started another marathon eruption only 6 hours later. If this was the same marathon I saw on 12/03, the duration was in excess of 34 hours. At 2035 on 12/04, Grotto was off. The small vent across the river from Oblong was intermittent all day on 12/04, which would indicate Grotto had been in eruption a long time. However, Giant had a hot period around 0800 on 12/04. If Grotto was still in eruption from the day before, this hot period took place about 25 hours into the marathon, something I have never seen. For the remainder of the day on 12/04, Bijou and Giant were dead and looked like they normally do during a marathon of Grotto. Closed intervals on Riverside have varied from 5h 52m to 6h 22m. Fan and Mortar erupted between 1700 and 2040 on 12/04, for a rough interval of 6 days. In the days leading up to this eruption, there were a number of events with eruptions of "Bottom Vent", River Vent pauses, and heavy splashing from Fan's Main Vent. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041204/913397a8/attachment.html> From nathandutz at yahoo.com Sun Dec 5 12:13:08 2004 From: nathandutz at yahoo.com (Nathan Dutzmann) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:13:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Wonderland Nomenclature Message-ID: <20041205201308.42689.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com> I am now one of the few, the proud, the people who have read "Wonderland Nomenclature" cover-to-cover. (Okay, admittedly I only skimmed the bibliography, but other than that I read every word, including the list of obsolete place names.) For multiple reasons, it has been more than five years since I last managed to set foot in Yellowstone, and Lee Whittlesey?s book was like a giant letter from my favorite place. I suppose it goes without saying, but the book is highly recommended for anyone who wants to find out more about the history of the park, although it probably does help if you, like me, rate highly the entertainment value of, say, Webster's Dictionary. The amount of research that went into the book is astounding, the variety in the background of park place names is fascinating to a Yellowstone aficionado, and the stories sprinkled throughout the text bring the history of the park to life. Having read through the whole book, I do have some questions for Mr. Whittlesey or anyone else who might have some insight. 1. Introductory page before Page I: The subtitle mentions "Photos of Significant Characters," which are absent from the book. I would be interested to see photographs of such flamboyant characters as P.W. Norris or G.L. Henderson, if these are the "Significant Characters" mentioned. Are such photos available online or elsewhere? 2. Introduction: In the list of sources for Yellowstone place names given in the introduction, one possible source that was not mentioned was signage. Is this simply because it is safe to assume that if an interpretive sign is place next to a feature calling it "Guinea Pig Geyser," that's because it is officially "Guinea Pig Geyser"? Admittedly my memory is a bit dubious after so many years, but I seem to recall that Aurum Geyser, for example, has a name placard in front of it, and the lack of '*' or '+' next to the name in WN indicates that this is not (was not?) an official name. On the other hand, the name is so entrenched that I suppose it's as close to official as you can get; would it be safe to assume that this is always the case? I'm only curious about this because it seems likely to me that a majority of Park visitors get their notions of features' names from signage more than any other source. 3. Also, have any refinements to the priority rules for names been made in the years since WN was written, either for Yellowstone in particular or for geologic features anywhere in the U.S. in general? For example, are there any rigorous rules for determining which name should be kept when historical precedent conflicts with entrenched usage? Or even what qualifies as "entrenched"? I won't jeopardize the harmony of this list-serve by mentioning any particular geysers in Gibbon Geyser Basin named for geometric concepts or natural disasters, but it seems that there must be enough particular cases of conflict that "official" rules should be established. Or is it naive to think that such rules could be created? 4. Page 18: Speaking of Aurum Geyser and failing memory, I thought I once read a discussion on this list about Aurum having another name as well. No other name is mentioned in WN. Is my memory faulty here? 5. Page 270: The somewhat dubious description of a Giantess Geyser eruption by Augustin Seguin is listed as possibly being either Fan & Mortar or a poor account of a Giantess eruption. Is it possible that he was describing Grand Geyser? Grand would still be to the "right" rather than the "left" of Giant, but it would at least be close enough that getting the bearing for the one based on the other would seem logical (as opposed to the much larger distance that separates Giant from Giantess). The "two unequal sprays" of the eruption could (maybe?) be Grand and Vent or Grand and Turban. And the paragraphs that follow in WN about Robert and Carrie Strahorn demonstrate that the names of Grand and Giantess were at least occasionally reversed. Just a thought. 6. Page 419: I had often entertained the pleasant notion that my favorite river, the Firehole, might just be the first leg of the longest river journey on earth (Firehole ? Madison ? Missouri ? Mississippi). Imagine my happy surprise when I discovered that someone else had the same thought over 100 years ago, as mentioned in the entry on Madison Lake (the source of the Firehole). However, the assertion is neither confirmed nor denied, and it seems like it would be an easy thing to determine. Red Rock River is mentioned as a competitor in the text, and if flowing into and then out of a lake is allowed then it would seem that [anything flowing into Yellowstone Lake] - Yellowstone Lake - Yellowstone River ? Missouri - Mississippi would be a competitor as well. Does anyone know the actual winner? 7. Page 439: More of a comment than a question: The fact that Minerva was the goddess of artists and sculptors is listed as a probable reason for the naming of Minerva Spring and Minerva Terrace. During the Roman era in great Britain, the city that is now known as Bath, England (the only place in Britain with hot springs) was called "Aquae Sulis" - "The Waters of Sulis," for the Celtic goddess Sulis, who reminded the Roman conquerors of their goddess Minerva. Hence the local goddess Sulis Minerva. Thus, although I imagine there is no way of knowing whether the namer of Minerva Spring would have known this, there is actually precedent in classical antiquity for viewing Minerva as the patron goddess of hot springs. 8. Although I can't seem to relocate the reference, a lengthy, unpublished essay by Mr. Whittlesey about the waterfalls of Yellowstone was mentioned at one point in the text. Would it be possible to obtain a copy of that manuscript? 9. Obsolete Place Names: Have the locations of any of the "unknown" or "uncertain" place names in the Obsolete Place Names list been determined since WN was published? 10. The character who emerges from the pages of WN as easily the most entertaining figure in Yellowstone history is G.L. Henderson. His witticisms, creativity, and even charlatanism make for great reading. Are there any resources in print or online that have collections of his writings or biographical information about him? 11. One last question regarding "official" place names. I was wondering what standard was used in "The Geysers of Yellowstone" for listing a geyser?s name without quotation marks, given that some of the "official" geysers in that book (e.g., Aurum Geyser, since we?re picking on that one) do not appear to be official according to WN. By the way, for anyone who has purchased WN, I would highly recommend having the book bound. For $40, I had my copy beautifully hardbound, with gold-embossed title lettering. The downside is that the man who bound my copy said that he was one of the last two or three hand bookbinders in the country and I believe he has since retired. But the results are truly beautiful and added much to the experience of reading it. That's all. (All? I?ve written a book myself here...) I'd appreciate any information about the questions listed above. A big thank-you to Lee Whittlesey for the labor of love that produced "Wonderland Nomenclature"! Sincerely, Nathan Dutzmann __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From rlpowell at indiana.edu Mon Dec 6 07:02:02 2004 From: rlpowell at indiana.edu (Richard L. Powell) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:02:02 -0500 Subject: [Geysers] Wonderland Nomenclature References: <20041205201308.42689.qmail@web60303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4dba4$8e4ae910$707b389c@docdick> Nathan: Would you please advise as to where I can get a copy of Wonderland Nomenclature? Thanks, Dick Powell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Dutzmann" To: Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [Geysers] Wonderland Nomenclature >I am now one of the few, the proud, the people who > have read "Wonderland Nomenclature" cover-to-cover. > (Okay, admittedly I only skimmed the bibliography, but > other than that I read every word, including the list > of obsolete place names.) For multiple reasons, it > has been more than five years since I last managed to > set foot in Yellowstone, and Lee Whittlesey's book was > like a giant letter from my favorite place. I suppose > it goes without saying, but the book is highly > recommended for anyone who wants to find out more > about the history of the park, although it probably > does help if you, like me, rate highly the > entertainment value of, say, Webster's Dictionary. > The amount of research that went into the book is > astounding, the variety in the background of park > place names is fascinating to a Yellowstone > aficionado, and the stories sprinkled throughout the > text bring the history of the park to life. > > Having read through the whole book, I do have some > questions for Mr. Whittlesey or anyone else who might > have some insight. > > 1. Introductory page before Page I: The subtitle > mentions "Photos of Significant Characters," which are > absent from the book. I would be interested to see > photographs of such flamboyant characters as P.W. > Norris or G.L. Henderson, if these are the > "Significant Characters" mentioned. Are such photos > available online or elsewhere? > > 2. Introduction: In the list of sources for > Yellowstone place names given in the introduction, one > possible source that was not mentioned was signage. > Is this simply because it is safe to assume that if an > interpretive sign is place next to a feature calling > it "Guinea Pig Geyser," that's because it is > officially "Guinea Pig Geyser"? Admittedly my memory > is a bit dubious after so many years, but I seem to > recall that Aurum Geyser, for example, has a name > placard in front of it, and the lack of '*' or '+' > next to the name in WN indicates that this is not (was > not?) an official name. On the other hand, the name > is so entrenched that I suppose it's as close to > official as you can get; would it be safe to assume > that this is always the case? I'm only curious about > this because it seems likely to me that a majority of > Park visitors get their notions of features' names > from signage more than any other source. > > 3. Also, have any refinements to the priority rules > for names been made in the years since WN was written, > either for Yellowstone in particular or for geologic > features anywhere in the U.S. in general? For > example, are there any rigorous rules for determining > which name should be kept when historical precedent > conflicts with entrenched usage? Or even what > qualifies as "entrenched"? I won't jeopardize the > harmony of this list-serve by mentioning any > particular geysers in Gibbon Geyser Basin named for > geometric concepts or natural disasters, but it seems > that there must be enough particular cases of conflict > that "official" rules should be established. Or is it > naive to think that such rules could be created? > > 4. Page 18: Speaking of Aurum Geyser and failing > memory, I thought I once read a discussion on this > list about Aurum having another name as well. No > other name is mentioned in WN. Is my memory faulty > here? > > 5. Page 270: The somewhat dubious description of a > Giantess Geyser eruption by Augustin Seguin is listed > as possibly being either Fan & Mortar or a poor > account of a Giantess eruption. Is it possible that > he was describing Grand Geyser? Grand would still be > to the "right" rather than the "left" of Giant, but it > would at least be close enough that getting the > bearing for the one based on the other would seem > logical (as opposed to the much larger distance that > separates Giant from Giantess). The "two unequal > sprays" of the eruption could (maybe?) be Grand and > Vent or Grand and Turban. And the paragraphs that > follow in WN about Robert and Carrie Strahorn > demonstrate that the names of Grand and Giantess were > at least occasionally reversed. Just a thought. > > 6. Page 419: I had often entertained the pleasant > notion that my favorite river, the Firehole, might > just be the first leg of the longest river journey on > earth (Firehole - Madison - Missouri - Mississippi). > Imagine my happy surprise when I discovered that > someone else had the same thought over 100 years ago, > as mentioned in the entry on Madison Lake (the source > of the Firehole). However, the assertion is neither > confirmed nor denied, and it seems like it would be an > easy thing to determine. Red Rock River is mentioned > as a competitor in the text, and if flowing into and > then out of a lake is allowed then it would seem that > [anything flowing into Yellowstone Lake] - Yellowstone > Lake - Yellowstone River - Missouri - Mississippi > would be a competitor as well. Does anyone know the > actual winner? > > 7. Page 439: More of a comment than a question: The > fact that Minerva was the goddess of artists and > sculptors is listed as a probable reason for the > naming of Minerva Spring and Minerva Terrace. During > the Roman era in great Britain, the city that is now > known as Bath, England (the only place in Britain with > hot springs) was called "Aquae Sulis" - "The Waters of > Sulis," for the Celtic goddess Sulis, who reminded the > Roman conquerors of their goddess Minerva. Hence the > local goddess Sulis Minerva. Thus, although I imagine > there is no way of knowing whether the namer of > Minerva Spring would have known this, there is > actually precedent in classical antiquity for viewing > Minerva as the patron goddess of hot springs. > > 8. Although I can't seem to relocate the reference, a > lengthy, unpublished essay by Mr. Whittlesey about the > waterfalls of Yellowstone was mentioned at one point > in the text. Would it be possible to obtain a copy of > that manuscript? > > 9. Obsolete Place Names: Have the locations of any of > the "unknown" or "uncertain" place names in the > Obsolete Place Names list been determined since WN was > published? > > 10. The character who emerges from the pages of WN as > easily the most entertaining figure in Yellowstone > history is G.L. Henderson. His witticisms, > creativity, and even charlatanism make for great > reading. Are there any resources in print or online > that have collections of his writings or biographical > information about him? > > 11. One last question regarding "official" place > names. I was wondering what standard was used in "The > Geysers of Yellowstone" for listing a geyser's name > without quotation marks, given that some of the > "official" geysers in that book (e.g., Aurum Geyser, > since we're picking on that one) do not appear to be > official according to WN. > > By the way, for anyone who has purchased WN, I would > highly recommend having the book bound. For $40, I > had my copy beautifully hardbound, with gold-embossed > title lettering. The downside is that the man who > bound my copy said that he was one of the last two or > three hand bookbinders in the country and I believe he > has since retired. But the results are truly > beautiful and added much to the experience of reading > it. > > That's all. (All? I've written a book myself > here...) > > I'd appreciate any information about the questions > listed above. A big thank-you to Lee Whittlesey for > the labor of love that produced "Wonderland > Nomenclature"! > > Sincerely, > Nathan Dutzmann > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > > From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Dec 6 09:03:44 2004 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:03:44 EST Subject: [Geysers] Wonderland Nomenclature Message-ID: <195.33bdd20e.2ee5eaf0@aol.com> Nathan asks interesting questions that no doubt will also be answered to by Lee Whittlesey. Was this triggered by the thing I posted to this list a couple of weeks ago? Anyway, to answer a few of Nathan's eleven questions from my non-official perspective: 1. Photos are no doubt all over the place. In the 1977 version of Aubrey Haines' "The Yellowstone Story," Norris is pictured on page 241 and Henderson on page 295. The same volume also has Langford, Hayden and etc. etc. 2. Simply having a sign next to some feature decidedly does NOT make it official. See #11 below. 3. No significant refinements have been made to the priority rules. See #11 below. 6. Is it not the Amazon that is hands-down the longest river in the world? 8. Lee (and others) have published a book about the waterfalls, which I'm sure would be far more complete than any earlier, unpublished essay. 10. I, too, would like to see more of Henderson's stuff. 11. "... I was wondering what standard was used in 'The Geysers of Yellowstone' for listing a geyser's name without quotation marks..." Well...... I suppose when you get right down to it, I just sort of "did it" based on personal opinion. (My book, you know!) However, this does get into the business of official versus entrenched versus acceptable versus unofficial versus something completely new. And, with the help of Lee, who has recruited others, I'm hoping to improve the situation in the 4th Edition of the book (which is largely written but won't be out [probably] until early 2006). I've submitted a list, asking which name within quotes can have the quotes eliminated; which accompanied by an "UNNG designation can have the UNNG _and_ quote marks deleted; which can lose the UNNG but not the quotes; and which still gotta have UNNG and quotes. Boy, how I'd love to get rid of every UNNG in the book, because I think it's rather sloppy. Now, I wonder how much of the following Lee will agree with... OFFICIAL -- Approved by the U S Board on Geographic Names, which if you didn't realize it is one of the very most ancient of USA agencies, having been established in (I think) 1792 or some such; now operates within USGS. USBGN may approve a single name application (form available online -- for Yellowstone, must be submitted to the park) or, by approving a particular book or map or such, all the names therein [gee -- maybe I oughta submit my book]. Names so-approved are the ONLY ones that are actually OFFICIAL. Examples: Grand Geyser; (ha) New Crater Geyser ENTRENCHED is, I feel, not the same as Acceptable. If a name is entrenched, meaning that "everybody" uses it and has used it so extensively that it would be pointless to try to change it, then it certainly needs no quote marks. Although not officially official, it is so close that it might as well be official. Examples: Uncertain Geyser; Dilapidated Geyser; Westside Group; A-0 Geyser; Hillside Geyser (West Thumb). ACCEPTABLE has gotten extensive use and violates no naming rules or conventions, but it hasn't necessarily been around all that long; having been published in one form or another (especially by NPS but also in such items as my book and GOSA publications) helps here. So in general, probably, this level needs to keep the quote marks. Examples: "Boardwalk Geyser" (lord, how I still hate that name); "Composite Geyser"; "Phoenix Geyser"; probably "Aftershock Geyser", although relatively recent, violates nothing and is in use. UNOFFICIAL is decidedly a gray area but, to me, is virtually the same as "acceptable" in large part because of "official" use by government agencies. For example, "Daughter of Green Dragon Spring" [yay], which was published in that on-line NPS-USGS-YVO paper by Heasler etc. And with that, by the way, I think the quotes can now be eliminated from Son of Green Dragon Spring -- it's been used for many years and now has been published in government documents. There are many others in this category. NEW would be recent things. I would love to eliminate all UNNG things, but I know that that simply won't happen, so these have got to have both UNNG and quotes. I suppose at this point this would have to include this year's UNNG-GNT-4 "Solstice Geyser" (which I see I left off the list I sent to Lee!). We don't need another book, so I'll quit at that. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041206/ee0701b3/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Dec 6 09:03:38 2004 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:03:38 EST Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruptoion Message-ID: <27.66e5e503.2ee5eaea@aol.com> Somehow I have it in my notes that the eruption of Giant on August 2, 2004 was a "Normal function" _not_ accompanied by significant Mastiff. However, photos that were posted by Debby Stahl (taken by her husband, Joe Erlanger) appear to show Mastiff behind and fully as tall as Giant (so, "Mastiff function"). Since I intend to use (with permission already received) one of these photos in Transactions IX, I like to know. Was this Normal or Mastiff? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041206/4c490df2/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Mon Dec 6 09:22:33 2004 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:22:33 EST Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report 11/29 through 12/04 Message-ID: <1ce.2d7646e1.2ee5ef59@aol.com> In a message dated 12/5/2004 10:53:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com writes: If this was the same marathon I saw on 12/03, the duration was in excess of 34 hours. At 2035 on 12/04, Grotto was off. Here's hoping that maybe there's some info as to when the _next_ eruption began (what was the interval)........ Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041206/9e8bf140/attachment.html> From conantb at swbell.net Mon Dec 6 20:29:38 2004 From: conantb at swbell.net (Eric Hatfield) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:29:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption In-Reply-To: <27.66e5e503.2ee5eaea@aol.com> Message-ID: <20041207042938.84054.qmail@web80509.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry to ask the same question for the 10th time, but where are those photos posted? I don't remember seeing Mastiff in them at all...thinking of different post? Nevertheless, must see...must see! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041206/c99b57a9/attachment.html> From Joeerg at aol.com Mon Dec 6 21:21:15 2004 From: Joeerg at aol.com (Joeerg at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:21:15 EST Subject: [Geysers] Wonderland Nomenclature Message-ID: <97.54132f26.2ee697cb@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2004 7:14:42 PM Central Standard Time, TSBryan at aol.com writes: > 6. Is it not the Amazon that is hands-down the longest river in the world? > No, that would be the Nile, while the Amazon would be hands-down the second longest. My husband actually got this as his 32,000 or 64,000 Q on Millionaire -- truly a gift. Deb Stahl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041207/b52e40a2/attachment.html> From nathandutz at yahoo.com Tue Dec 7 05:54:43 2004 From: nathandutz at yahoo.com (Nathan Dutzmann) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:54:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Long rivers Message-ID: <20041207135443.11455.qmail@web60304.mail.yahoo.com> According to most sources, the Nile is world's longest river, at about 4150 miles to the Amazon's 4000. The problem with this is that the Nile's measurement runs from the ocean to the headwaters of the White Nile. But the volume of the Blue Nile is twice that of the White Nile at the confluence of the two rivers, so I would assert that the White Nile is, in reality, a tributary of the Blue Nile, making the "real" length of the Nile much shorter. If we extend to the Missouri River the same courtesy afforded the White Nile, the resulting Missourissippi River is far longer than either the Missouri or the Mississippi. After spending more time than I should have searching around on Google, I was able to find one source of unknown trustworthiness that says that (alas) the Red Rock - Jefferson - Missouri - Mississippi system is the longest river journey in North America (~3750) and (alas again) even that is only fourth worldwide, behind the White Nile - Nile (~4150), the Amazon (~4000), and the Yangtze (~3950). I realize this runs a bit far afield of geyser stuff, but after all, the honor of the Firehole is at stake. Sadly, though, it looks like the Firehole probably loses. :-( Nathan Dutzmann __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From udo.freund at lmco.com Tue Dec 7 06:11:50 2004 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 06:11:50 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Wonderland Nomenclature Message-ID: GOSA Store and Press has it available in hard copy only, nearly 900 pages! Copies are $72.00 each postpaid to addresses in the U.S.A. Thanks, Happy Holidays! Udo Freund From TSBryan at aol.com Tue Dec 7 18:12:44 2004 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:12:44 EST Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption Message-ID: <1a5.2c57411c.2ee7bd1c@aol.com> In a message dated 12/7/2004 17:15:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, conantb at swbell.net writes: Sorry to ask the same question for the 10th time, but where are those photos posted? The photos were posted, address given if not directly to this list, way back in August. There decidedly are two colums of water to about equal heights. Seems to me that this list is now accepting photos, so I am including one as a jpg attechment to this (hoping doing so is OK with the source). Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Poor stuff, having to transit artificial reservoirs, cities as Kansas City and St. Louis and even New Orleans (sorry, no offense intended) in order to get to the ocean.) But aside from that, I can point to a source that eliminates various tributaries and states unequivocally that the Amazon, as a single traceable steream is by considerable the longest. TV shows aside. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041207/f17c65fc/attachment.html> From crose61514 at wyoming.com Tue Dec 7 18:31:52 2004 From: crose61514 at wyoming.com (Cindy Rose) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:31:52 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Long rivers References: <20041207135443.11455.qmail@web60304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c4dcce$1470b180$5fdde3cc@VAIO> Nathan--the honor of the Firehole is much more dependent on its setting and not its length. Who cares about the bloody Nile? All it flows through is bloody Egypt! The Firehole now, it flows through some purty country. ;8>), Cindy Rose From conantb at swbell.net Tue Dec 7 20:19:45 2004 From: conantb at swbell.net (Eric Hatfield) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:19:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Long rivers In-Reply-To: <20041207135443.11455.qmail@web60304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041208041945.69734.qmail@web80511.mail.yahoo.com> Not to be argumentative, but I believe the Amazon is now the favored pick for "longest." The controversy is long standing. Nathan has hit on the crux of it--it's a matter of definition. With the Nile, the White vs. Blue vs. Lake Victoria issue is key. With the Amazon, it's deciding which of the twigs descending from the high Andes is actually the Amazon, and where that twig switches from being seasonal to persistent. But after zillions of taxpayer dollars, I'm sure, I think persistant sources of the Amazon were found back to a length of 4195 miles, solidly outdoing either Nile claim. Reference a recent Guinness Book of World records for discussion. But while definitions are in doubt, one must consider permanent, predictable ocean trade currents ("rivers"), tons of which easily dwarf the lengths of all land bound rivers in both length and obviously volume. More useless banter during the wintertime. About the Giant pics (thanks for sending them, by the way), is that Mastiff, or just a falling splash/chunk of Giant's early water column? If it's Mastiff, it would be bigger than any recent eruption, no? I defer to those who were there, have wild screaming videos, etc. Go Giant Go. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041207/1f5c5a20/attachment.html> From ruthleslie at ispwest.com Tue Dec 7 22:34:45 2004 From: ruthleslie at ispwest.com (Ruth & Leslie Quinn) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:34:45 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Long rivers... Message-ID: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer> A message from Leslie Quinn ruthleslie at ispwest.com So what would be the length of the Mississippi-Missouri-Yellowstone-Atlantic Creek-Two Ocean Pass-Pacific Creek-Snake River-Columbia River? If memory serves, at "The Parting of the Waters" (just north of Two Ocean Pass and intimately connected with it) it gives the distances as around 1300+ miles to the Pacific and 3700+ to the Atlantic, which would make around 5000 miles, although I might not be remembering correctly. On the other hand, the old saw that a fish could use it to swim from one ocean to the other isn't really true, as the Lower Falls would be a tough one to jump, and if you wanted to travel east the Snake has a few of its own as well. But probably someone having fun with some fractals could throw all the figures on their heads anyway... Weren't we supposed to talk about geysers here? 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Paul S. _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:04 AM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruptoion Somehow I have it in my notes that the eruption of Giant on August 2, 2004 was a "Normal function" _not_ accompanied by significant Mastiff. However, photos that were posted by Debby Stahl (taken by her husband, Joe Erlanger) appear to show Mastiff behind and fully as tall as Giant (so, "Mastiff function"). Since I intend to use (with permission already received) one of these photos in Transactions IX, I like to know. Was this Normal or Mastiff? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041207/f1664e38/attachment.html> From fanandmortar at hotmail.com Wed Dec 8 00:22:18 2004 From: fanandmortar at hotmail.com (Tara Cross) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruptoion In-Reply-To: <27.66e5e503.2ee5eaea@aol.com> Message-ID: A message from Tara Cross >Somehow I have it in my notes that the eruption of Giant on August 2, 2004 >was a "Normal function" _not_ accompanied by significant Mastiff. However, >photos that were posted by Debby Stahl (taken by her husband, Joe Erlanger) >appear >to show Mastiff behind and fully as tall as Giant (so, "Mastiff function"). >Since I intend to use (with permission already received) one of these >photos in >Transactions IX, I like to know. Was this Normal or Mastiff? Mastiff did not erupt with Giant on August 2. It was indeed a "Normal function" eruption. In the photo, Giant must appear to have two columns (quite possible, as Giant was indeed massive). Mastiff surged to 6-8 feet during the hot period but dropped before the 7-minute mark. Mastiff erupted with the May 30, July 15, and September 26 eruptions, but not on August 2 or October 11. -Tara Cross fanandmortar at hotmail.com From nathandutz at yahoo.com Wed Dec 8 17:14:48 2004 From: nathandutz at yahoo.com (Nathan Dutzmann) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:14:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Long rivers... In-Reply-To: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20041209011449.61542.qmail@web60307.mail.yahoo.com> > So what would be the length of the > Mississippi-Missouri-Yellowstone-Atlantic Creek-Two > Ocean Pass-Pacific Creek-Snake River-Columbia River? Now that is truly inspired. Aside from the pure genius of the thought, I love the idea that what might be the world's longest river journey would start and end at sea level. And the fact that it goes through Yellowstone doesn't hurt. :-) Is there any chance that the waters of any of the geyser fields in South America drain to the Amazon? I don't have any maps in front of me, and it's amazing how little information there is online about, say, Puentebello. Okay, this is my last post on this subject. I promise. Nathan Dutzmann __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From upperbasin at comcast.net Wed Dec 8 17:28:43 2004 From: upperbasin at comcast.net (Paul Strasser) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:28:43 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption In-Reply-To: <1a5.2c57411c.2ee7bd1c@aol.com> Message-ID: <20041209012855.230766380E1@halo.wwc.edu> After looking at the photo, I went again and looked at Tara's video, taken from the exact same place. There are moments in the video when the descending water from Giant looks exactly like the picture. You can also see a nice, empty double crater of Mastiff in my video, taken from the monkey cage. The photo is remarkably deceptive. Paul Strasser _____ From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:13 PM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption In a message dated 12/7/2004 17:15:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, conantb at swbell.net writes: Sorry to ask the same question for the 10th time, but where are those photos posted? The photos were posted, address given if not directly to this list, way back in August. There decidedly are two colums of water to about equal heights. Seems to me that this list is now accepting photos, so I am including one as a jpg attechment to this (hoping doing so is OK with the source). Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041208/79d13723/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 8 20:09:20 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report 11/29 through 12/04 In-Reply-To: <1ce.2d7646e1.2ee5ef59@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c4dda4$e01bf480$5c49b041@MikeKeller> Well, on the morning of 12/05 at 0900 Grotto was in eruption and stayed that way all day-it and Spa were both 1648ie. I left for Mammoth on 12/06 and just returned to heavy snow and the closure of the roads to wheeled vehicles. I will try to get down basin tomorrow to see if anything has happened with Giant. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:23 AM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: Re: [Geysers] Geyser Report 11/29 through 12/04 In a message dated 12/5/2004 10:53:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com writes: If this was the same marathon I saw on 12/03, the duration was in excess of 34 hours. At 2035 on 12/04, Grotto was off. Here's hoping that maybe there's some info as to when the _next_ eruption began (what was the interval)........ Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041208/50b487cf/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Wed Dec 8 20:09:20 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruptoion In-Reply-To: <27.66e5e503.2ee5eaea@aol.com> Message-ID: <006001c4dda4$e0a17830$5c49b041@MikeKeller> Mastiff erupted to about 8 feet at its best a few minutes before Giant erupted. There was no play from Mastiff during or shortly after Giant started on 8/02. MK -----Original Message----- From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:04 AM To: geysers at wwc.edu Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruptoion Somehow I have it in my notes that the eruption of Giant on August 2, 2004 was a "Normal function" _not_ accompanied by significant Mastiff. However, photos that were posted by Debby Stahl (taken by her husband, Joe Erlanger) appear to show Mastiff behind and fully as tall as Giant (so, "Mastiff function"). Since I intend to use (with permission already received) one of these photos in Transactions IX, I like to know. Was this Normal or Mastiff? Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041208/245e55ff/attachment.html> From Joeerg at aol.com Fri Dec 10 03:17:10 2004 From: Joeerg at aol.com (Joeerg at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:17:10 EST Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption Message-ID: <67.39d77ffd.2eeadfb6@aol.com> Paul, We probably have 30 or so photos altogether, taken from various angles, in addition to video footage of much of the eruption, also taken from several vantage points. I have already offered to share this material with Scott, and certainly the same goes for anyone on this board who might be interested. Just let me know. Deb Stahl In a message dated 12/9/2004 8:24:02 PM Central Standard Time, upperbasin at comcast.net writes: > > After looking at the photo, I went again and looked at Tara?s > video, taken from the exact same place. There are moments in the video when the > descending water from Giant looks exactly like the picture. You can also see > a nice, empty double crater of Mastiff in my video, taken from the monkey > cage. > > > > The photo is remarkably deceptive. > > > > Paul Strasser > > > > > From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On Behalf Of > TSBryan at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:13 PM > To: geysers at wwc.edu > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption > > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2004 17:15:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, > conantb at swbell.net writes: > > > > >> Sorry to ask the same question for the 10th time, but where are those >> photos posted? >> >> > > > > > The photos were posted, address given if not directly to this list, way back > in August. There decidedly are two colums of water to about equal heights. > Seems to me that this list is now accepting photos, so I am including one as a > jpg attechment to this (hoping doing so is OK with the source). > > > > Scott Bryan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041210/357886f9/attachment.html> From gosastore at QNET.COM Fri Dec 10 06:27:09 2004 From: gosastore at QNET.COM (Udo Freund) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption In-Reply-To: <20041209012855.230766380E1@halo.wwc.edu> References: <20041209012855.230766380E1@halo.wwc.edu> Message-ID: <41B9B23D.5070508@qnet.com> If you look carefully at the photo you can see the dart of a descending chevron which would indicate a falling column of water. I agree at first look it seems like Mastiff is erupting. Very deceiving until further review reverses that call. Happy holidays, Udo Freund Paul Strasser wrote: > After looking at the photo, I went again and looked at Tara's video, > taken from the exact same place. There are moments in the video when > the descending water from Giant looks exactly like the picture. You > can also see a nice, empty double crater of Mastiff in my video, taken > from the monkey cage. > > > > The photo is remarkably deceptive. > > > > Paul Strasser > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: geysers-bounces at wwc.edu [mailto:geysers-bounces at wwc.edu] On > Behalf Of TSBryan at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:13 PM > To: geysers at wwc.edu > Subject: Re: [Geysers] Giant August 2 eruption > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2004 17:15:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, > conantb at swbell.net writes: > > Sorry to ask the same question for the 10th time, but where are > those photos posted? > > > > The photos were posted, address given if not directly to this list, > way back in August. There decidedly are two colums of water to about > equal heights. Seems to me that this list is now accepting photos, so > I am including one as a jpg attechment to this (hoping doing so is OK > with the source). > > > > Scott Bryan > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041210/0b5e7f54/attachment.html> From gosastore at QNET.COM Fri Dec 10 06:28:35 2004 From: gosastore at QNET.COM (Udo Freund) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:28:35 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Long rivers... In-Reply-To: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer> References: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <41B9B293.6040603@qnet.com> This IS geyser related - just figuring out the length of the runoff channel (c:) Udo Freund Ruth & Leslie Quinn wrote: > A message from Leslie Quinn ruthleslie at ispwest.com > > > So what would be the length of the > Mississippi-Missouri-Yellowstone-Atlantic Creek-Two Ocean Pass-Pacific > Creek-Snake River-Columbia River? If memory serves, at "The Parting of > the Waters" (just north of Two Ocean Pass and intimately connected > with it) it gives the distances as around 1300+ miles to the Pacific > and 3700+ to the Atlantic, which would make around 5000 miles, > although I might not be remembering correctly. On the other hand, the > old saw that a fish could use it to swim from one ocean to the other > isn't really true, as the Lower Falls would be a tough one to jump, > and if you wanted to travel east the Snake has a few of its own as > well. But probably someone having fun with some fractals could throw > all the figures on their heads anyway... > > Weren't we supposed to talk about geysers here? > > Just one of the rabble, > Leslie > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041210/690c2fea/attachment.html> From caros at aros.net Fri Dec 10 17:34:41 2004 From: caros at aros.net (Karen and Paul Webb) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:34:41 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] "Ranger" Ted Parkinson In-Reply-To: <67.39d77ffd.2eeadfb6@aol.com> References: <67.39d77ffd.2eeadfb6@aol.com> Message-ID: <41BA4EB1.4040202@aros.net> From Karen Webb (hope I'm doing this right) Some of you who have been around for a bit may remember "Ranger Ted" Parkinson, who retired to the SLC area (and married an older friend of mine, Merridy Ayer). He died (ascended to the Abha Kingdom, for the other Baha'is on this list) on December 5; funeral services will be held tomorrow. He is asking that in lieu of any sort of remembrance sent to Merridy, donations be made in his name to the Nature Conservancy or the American Red Cross (although I'm sure he'd be happy with anything that went to the YA as well). Merridy can be reached at tedsave9 at xmission.com, or I would be happy to convey any kindly thoughts on your behalf if you are uncomfortable emailing Merridy directly. Karen -- "Say, O Maid of Heaven! Step out of thy vaulted chamber... Put on, in the Name of thy Lord, the broidered robe of light" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041210/c366df65/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Fri Dec 10 20:05:35 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:05:35 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] UGB 12/05 and 12/09 Message-ID: <000001c4df36$afd6bb50$45320543@MikeKeller> Not much to report in the UGB. I was in Mammoth from 12/06 through 12/08. Grotto was once again in marathon on 12/05, but had what appeared to be a normal duration eruption on 12/09. Giant did not erupt while I was gone. In speaking with Karen Low, she told me she left the UGB on 11/18 and Giant had not erupted so the eruption took place between 11/18 and 11/25. There was a short (2m 30s) hot period from Giant about 15 minutes after Grotto quit on 12/09. As of 1800 on 12/09 F&M still had not erupted. On 12/09 the Sawmill Group was in Tardy cycle, but there was still snow around Churn and Penta, implying they had not erupted. I saw a 1 burst Grand on 12/05 and 12/09. The intervals still appear to be averaging near 7 hours. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041210/036ae877/attachment.html> From riozafiro at earthlink.net Sat Dec 11 10:10:43 2004 From: riozafiro at earthlink.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:10:43 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur and Geysir Video and Blue Bubble Questions In-Reply-To: <41B9B293.6040603@qnet.com> References: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer> <41B9B293.6040603@qnet.com> Message-ID: On one of my Google searches, I found this link to a video of Strokkur and Geysir erupting. I suspect the close up at the beginning is Strokkur (it looks like photos I have seen of it) and then the distance shot is Geysir. Is that correct? http://www.geysircenter.com/english/video2.html Also, I have a book called "Volcanoes" that has an excellent photo series on Strokkur. In both the book photos and in this video, Strokkur makes a gorgeous blue bubble before it erupts. My question is (which could not be answered by my friend who recently went to this geyser field), does Strokkur make this blue bubble most of the time? And, because I am a novice Gazer, could someone please explain what they dynamics are that create blue bubbles? Why do some geysers make them and others do not? And are they more common to certain types of geysers? I would sure like to visit Iceland someday, along with Rotorua, Kamchatka and El Tatio, so I keep buying that lottery ticket every weekend! Thanks much! Pat Snyder -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1093 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20041211/2faa7a9e/attachment.bin> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Sat Dec 11 15:27:45 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:27:45 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser report 12/11/04 Message-ID: <000001c4dfd9$07263be0$f248b041@MikeKeller> Windy and 40F today. Fan and Mortar erupted sometime between 1800 12/09 and 1300 12/11. At 1300 today Fan had fully recovered and there was no evidence Bottom Vent at Mortar had erupted in a while so I would assume F&M went overnight 12/09-12/10 or early in the day on 12/10. Grotto was post-marathon at 1255. Given the recovery of features in the area I would assume it had been off for over 4 hours. At 1341 Giant had a 9m 39s hot period. Mastiff surged as high as 6 feet in the first few minutes, but only overflowed during the final 3 minutes of the hot period. There was a weak restart with no vertical surging in Giant. The small vent across the river from Oblong was in steady overflow today. Every minute or two it would burble to about a foot but never erupted as it did most of the fall. Tardy continues to dominate the Sawmill Group, but neither Penta nor Churn has erupted. Churn and Uncertain have been in near steady overflow. I saw Bulger for the first time this winter today. Grand had a one burst eruption after D2 this afternoon. I haven't seen a two burst Grand in a week. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041211/37564b01/attachment.html> From conantb at swbell.net Sun Dec 12 08:36:18 2004 From: conantb at swbell.net (Eric Hatfield) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur and Geysir Video and Blue Bubble Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041212163618.12526.qmail@web80503.mail.yahoo.com> The video is of Strokkur only. Geysir itself cannot be seen in that view. That particular eruption was quite a nice one, and may have topped 100 ft. As explained on the website, Geysir itself reactivated in June 2000, though I wasn't aware that it had continued its activity until now (?) It's new eruptions are only about 30 feet per the site. Strokkur erupts about every 3 to 10 minutes, and it makes a "blue bubble" most of the time. A central thing in making a blue bubble is having an undisturbed surface of water. Undisturbed "blue" water has surface tension which wants to keep itself all one piece. On the other hand, "white" water is a frothy mixture of water and air, where, once initially broken, surface tension makes the water into little droplets. A sudden eruption under undisturbed water moves all the water above it as a big chunk to the surface, where it is still big enough to look like "blue water" instead of white froth. Eventually the surface tension is disturbed, and you switch to the usual tiny droplet frothy white water. The sudden transition gives that fun impression that bubble "explodes." I watched hundreds of eruptions of Strokkur from WITHIN the crater in 1997. It was unique in that it reproducibly made these blue bubbles. Not all the time--sometimes boiling would disturb the surface just before the eruption and the bubble wouldn't happen. But most of the time you get that domed water, which is blasted away seconds later by the shot of water from below. In the video the bubble gets about 2 feet high. Every 20th eruption or so you'll get a really incredible one, that rises to be a full half sphere and seems to last forever (really, say 3 secs.) From within the crater, those got eye level and sent me running for my life. The initial burst penetrates those like a gunshot from underneath, giving an amazing split-second "underwater spike" effect. Looks like a normal spike, but totally encased by clear blue water. Like a white christmas tree in blue amber. Strokkur's eruptions are also very variable. I liken it to Spa. Most are just sudden little single splashes, but every now and then there will be a huge multiburst one that makes you want to step back. I would say that most of Strokkur's eruptions are single bursts that reach about 20 ft. But about one in four is "multiburst," and reaches maybe 60 ft. The really extraordinary ones give the "superburst" effect like Great Fountain, of rising bursts through bursts. You might get 5 spikes through spikes, and that may top 100 ft. The video is an example. As for how Geysir itself behaves, I've read and written about that before, but never seen it. I'd love it if they put up a video of the current eruptions on that site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since the pool's near-surface water is heaved upward in its entirety (I might describe it as a laminar flow-type behavior, rather than the turbulence seen in a typical geyser start), the effect is that of a big blue bubble. In June 2003, the vast majority of eruptions of Strokkur I saw included the blue bubble. I would expect blue bubble eruptions to be more prevalent in deep, comparatively narrow pool vents. Expanding steam comes from deeper plumbing into the bottom of the pool --- this lifts the contents of the pool, while the weight of the overlying water momentarily keeps the steam at bay. Anyway, that's what I think- Alan J. Alan Glennon UCSB Department of Geography Santa Barbara, CA 93106 glennon at umail.ucsb.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Snyder To: geyser observation reports Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur and Geysir Video and Blue Bubble Questions On one of my Google searches, I found this link to a video of Strokkur and Geysir erupting. I suspect the close up at the beginning is Strokkur (it looks like photos I have seen of it) and then the distance shot is Geysir. Is that correct? http://www.geysircenter.com/english/video2.html Also, I have a book called "Volcanoes" that has an excellent photo series on Strokkur. In both the book photos and in this video, Strokkur makes a gorgeous blue bubble before it erupts. My question is (which could not be answered by my friend who recently went to this geyser field), does Strokkur make this blue bubble most of the time? And, because I am a novice Gazer, could someone please explain what they dynamics are that create blue bubbles? Why do some geysers make them and others do not? And are they more common to certain types of geysers? I would sure like to visit Iceland someday, along with Rotorua, Kamchatka and El Tatio, so I keep buying that lottery ticket every weekend! Thanks much! Pat Snyder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041212/e695bcaa/attachment.html> From riozafiro at earthlink.net Mon Dec 13 05:00:04 2004 From: riozafiro at earthlink.net (Pat Snyder) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:00:04 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur and Geysir Video and Blue Bubble Questions In-Reply-To: <004301c4e088$26001450$8119fea9@ALBRIGHT> References: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer><41B9B293.6040603@qnet.com> <004301c4e088$26001450$8119fea9@ALBRIGHT> Message-ID: Thank you so much Alan and Eric. Your answers were very helpful. I will watch more carefully the next time I see Great Fountain erupt, maybe I will get lucky and see a blue bubble there. And now I REALLY want to go to Iceland. A blue bubble that can rise to nearly eye level? With a water spike inside it? Incredible!!! Pat Snyder From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Mon Dec 13 14:41:53 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giant and Plume Message-ID: <000001c4e164$f2c2fa20$4e49b041@MikeKeller> Info below is for 12/13/04 Giant was seen at 1452ie today. No idea of when it started. Interval of roughly 3-4 weeks. Plume was seen at 1506ie. This is the first time I have seen it this winter. The "close to cone" Indicator at Beehive has been very active the past few days. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041213/5403531b/attachment.html> From glennon at umail.ucsb.edu Mon Dec 13 18:04:10 2004 From: glennon at umail.ucsb.edu (Alan Glennon) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Strokkur and Geysir Video and Blue Bubble Questions References: <002a01c4dcf0$02794420$fe370543@oemcomputer><41B9B293.6040603@qnet.com><004301c4e088$26001450$8119fea9@ALBRIGHT> Message-ID: <003c01c4e181$33cb5190$8119fea9@ALBRIGHT> I've attached a photo of Strokkur's blue bubble exploding (~15K, jpg). Otherwise, it is online at: www.alanglennon.com/travel/iceland.htm Eric's probably right about the video being entirely Strokkur (my guess -- the camera was near Littli Geysir, viewing toward Strokkur; Geysir would be unseen farther off in the distance). ~Alan J. Alan Glennon UCSB Department of Geography Santa Barbara, CA 93106 glennon at umail.ucsb.edu > And now I REALLY want to go to Iceland. A blue bubble that can rise to > nearly eye level? With a water spike inside it? 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Pat Snyder On Dec 13, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Alan Glennon wrote: > I've attached a photo of Strokkur's blue bubble exploding (~15K, jpg). > Otherwise, it is online at: > www.alanglennon.com/travel/iceland.htm > > Eric's probably right about the video being entirely Strokkur (my > guess -- the camera was near Littli Geysir, viewing toward Strokkur; > Geysir would be unseen farther off in the distance). > > ~Alan > > J. Alan Glennon > UCSB Department of Geography > Santa Barbara, CA 93106 > glennon at umail.ucsb.edu > From crellison at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 22:27:42 2004 From: crellison at gmail.com (Chase Ellison) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:27:42 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Upcoming Discovery special? Message-ID: I am not sure if this was reported but I will mention it anyways. When I was doing the tourist thing and giving a friend a tour of the park in mid july I happened across a discovery channel/BBC film crew on the bridge by midway basin.. They had a sign up of what they were filming I snapped a quick photo.. From what I can read of my quick photo is that is is airing in feb. of 2005.. I'll post the photo I snapped if anyone else can clear it up then have at it. Keep your ears open! Chase Ellison -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC00048.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 60864 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20041214/c6521923/attachment.jpe> From karlori at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 05:41:34 2004 From: karlori at yahoo.com (Karl and Lori Hoppe) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:41:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Geysers] Upcoming Discovery special? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041216134134.88438.qmail@web54710.mail.yahoo.com> Just a quick guess based on 32 seconds of internet surfing after checking out your picture. BBC is going to be airing what appears to be a "docudrama" called Supervolcano in "winter 2005". I did a search for "Yellowstone" on the PDF file at the following link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/12_december/01/1winter.pdf (probably need to paste the long link) and this is my guess as to what they were shooting. Just what we need - more hysteria about the caldera... Karl Hoppe --- Chase Ellison wrote: > I am not sure if this was reported but I will > mention it anyways. When > I was doing the tourist thing and giving a friend a > tour of the park > in mid july I happened across a discovery > channel/BBC film crew on the > bridge by midway basin.. They had a sign up of what > they were filming > I snapped a quick photo.. From what I can read of my > quick photo is > that is is airing in feb. of 2005.. I'll post the > photo I snapped if > anyone else can clear it up then have at it. Keep > your ears open! > > Chase Ellison > > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=DSC00048.JPG > _______________________________________________ > Geysers mailing list > Geysers at wwc.edu > https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From udo.freund at lmco.com Fri Dec 17 07:05:33 2004 From: udo.freund at lmco.com (Freund, Udo) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:05:33 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] GOSA Store closed for the holidays Message-ID: I will be traveling from 12/26/04 until 1/2/05. The December issue of "The Geyser Gazer Sput" and any GOSA Store and Press orders or subscription renewals will not be processed during that time. I apologize for any inconvenience and wish you all Happy Holidays! Udo Freund -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Riverside had a closed interval of 6h 05m. Two closed Daisy intervals of 2h54m and 2h 20m. Plume continues to erupt. On 12/19 the interval was near an hour. Grotto ended a marathon on 12/20, duration appx 24 hours long. At 1825 Giant had a bathtub. Giant has been having hot periods, but no strong ones have been seen (yet). There is evidence it has had at least two with heavy overflow from Mastiff. The small vent across the river from Oblong has not been seen in a few days. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041220/dda7a1f7/attachment.html> From TSBryan at aol.com Thu Dec 23 13:11:15 2004 From: TSBryan at aol.com (TSBryan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:11:15 EST Subject: [Geysers] Happy Holidays Message-ID: Just to wish the happiest of seasons to everybody .. and to ask if anybody has a current address for Bob Hoffman (a name perhaps, and unfortunately, unknown to many modern gazers). I've sent a card to him every Christmas (to his 2608 Sacramento Street address in San Francisco), but this year it came back as "forewarding order expired." Again... enjoy the Season. Scott Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041223/00eeb302/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Thu Dec 23 21:37:17 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:37:17 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Giantess Message-ID: <000001c4e97a$a262ea90$5d49b041@MikeKeller> Giantess erupted at 1408ns on 12/23. Steam phase started at 1517. MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041223/e8434fbe/attachment.html> From gosastore at QNET.COM Fri Dec 24 06:10:02 2004 From: gosastore at QNET.COM (Udo Freund) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:10:02 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] Re:Bob Hoffman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41CC233A.7020005@qnet.com> Scott and all, Bob Hoffman passed away January 2, 2004. I sent the GOSA Directors and Sput Editors a message regarding that on Feb 22, 2004. I did a quick check of the April and June issues and didn't find any mention. How sad that this was missed. Happy Holidays, Udo > Yesterday we received a letter from an attorney which announced the > death of Harold Robert Hoffman, better known to us as Bob Hoffman, on > January 2, 2004. The letter further stated that GOSA was a contingent > residual beneficiary of his trust. Should the successor trustee, Pui > Yum Chin, die within ninety days after Bob, which is unlikely, GOSA > would receive a distribution. Although we're deeply saddened at his > passing, it is nice to know Bob thought about GOSA in his will. > Many of us long-time gazers will most likely remember Bob's passion > for Great Fountain and other Lower Basin geysers. In the summers > prior to 1989, he could be counted on, along with his cream colored > Volvo wagon parked in the Great Fountain parking lot, to be waiting > for first overflow. Bob told me many years ago that the smoke from > the fires of 1988 caused his emphysema. Under physician's orders he > could not return to high altitudes such as Yellowstone without great > personal risk. He usually sent his subscription payment in early > February with a note announcing Happy New Year -- Chinese New Year > that is! I sensed something was wrong when this time frame passed > without it. The attorney's letter confirmed my fears. > We've missed his presence in the Park for many years. Janet and I are > deeply saddened by his passing. > I propose that GOSA hold gatherings at Great Fountain this summer in > his honor. We could enjoy sharing a few Bob Hoffman stories there, > perhaps over a glass of wine. I think Bob would have liked that. > Udo Freund TSBryan at aol.com wrote: > Just to wish the happiest of seasons to everybody .. and to ask if > anybody has a current address for Bob Hoffman (a name perhaps, and > unfortunately, unknown to many modern gazers). I've sent a card to him > every Christmas (to his 2608 Sacramento Street address in San > Francisco), but this year it came back as "forewarding order expired." > > Again... enjoy the Season. > > Scott Bryan > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rocco Paperiello ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Keller To: 'geyser observation reports' Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: [Geysers] Giantess Giantess erupted at 1408ns on 12/23. Steam phase started at 1517. MK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Geysers mailing list Geysers at wwc.edu https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041224/cbce0400/attachment.html> From WHITLEVM at uwec.edu Sun Dec 26 16:26:31 2004 From: WHITLEVM at uwec.edu (Whitledge, Vicki M.) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:26:31 -0600 Subject: [Geysers] 9.0 Earthquake Message-ID: <376546015E56D640AB10F112B8127DDF01701F91@PEPSI.uwec.edu> The magnitude 9.0 earthquake off the coast of Sumatra shows up clearly on the Webicorder at Old Faithful on 12/25/04 at 18:18 MST. (http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/index.html) The seismic wave took approximately 20 minutes to reach Yellowstone. (The earthquake was listed as occurring at 58:50 UTC.) Vicki Whitledge -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2907 bytes Desc: not available URL: <#/attachments/20041226/36947ac3/attachment.bin> From CrosCa at wwc.edu Sun Dec 26 19:00:57 2004 From: CrosCa at wwc.edu (Carlton Cross) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:00:57 -0800 Subject: [Geysers] MODERATOR COMMENT Message-ID: At this point, I have no idea why Mike Lang's message was rejected. It was an automatic function. We probably need to think about the wording of the rejection messages which are now the defaults that came with the system. Please forward the rejection message so I can try to figure out what happened. As we are now set up, all message from non-subscribers will be automatically rejected. I don't know if that could be the reason. Carlton Cross Alternate Moderator From mtsmokey at usadig.com Sun Dec 26 20:11:09 2004 From: mtsmokey at usadig.com (MTSmokey) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:11:09 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] 9.0 Earthquake In-Reply-To: <376546015E56D640AB10F112B8127DDF01701F91@PEPSI.uwec.edu> References: <376546015E56D640AB10F112B8127DDF01701F91@PEPSI.uwec.edu> Message-ID: <41CF8B5D.4070709@usadig.com> It also showed up on all the heliocorders in California and elsewhere. http://quake.usgs.gov/waveforms/helicorder/index.html Smokey Whitledge, Vicki M. wrote: > >The magnitude 9.0 earthquake off the coast of Sumatra shows up clearly on the Webicorder at Old Faithful on 12/25/04 at 18:18 MST. (http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/index.html) The seismic wave took approximately 20 minutes to reach Yellowstone. (The earthquake was listed as occurring at 58:50 UTC.) > >Vicki Whitledge > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Geysers mailing list >Geysers at wwc.edu >https://mailman.wwc.edu/mailman/listinfo/geysers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041226/194e0d5f/attachment.html> From KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com Mon Dec 27 22:04:49 2004 From: KSCOPE_YNP at peoplepc.com (Mike Keller) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Geysers] Geyser Report 12/27/04 Message-ID: <000001c4eca3$24c940d0$1149b041@MikeKeller> The latest: Plume has been erupting every 60-80 minutes Grand today was another 1 burst eruption Penta had a least one eruption between 12/23 and 12/27. Sawmill was in dominant mode today. Economic continues to have periods of heavy overflow, but it has not erupted. Beauty Pool is still overflowing The UNNG across the river from Oblong has not been seen in days. South Purple Pool, which was barely in overflow on 12/23, is once again heavily overflowing into the river. Giant is having good hot periods at least once a day. There were two smaller ones seen/inferred today (appx 1020 and 1258 d=6m02s). Fan and Mortar erupted between 080012/25 and 1200 12/27. Given that it was fully recovered at 1200 today the latest is probably went was 0000 this morning). MK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <#/attachments/20041227/0f01201d/attachment.html>